As a self-employed person for the last fifteen years, I’ve had a direct view of the situation. And I’ve been more fortunate than many people by being able to access insurance via the Chamber of Commerce.

I think the reason most people are opposed to major reform is not that they believe it won’t be good for the nation, but that they fear it will be good for nation, and then it would be more difficult to destroy Obama.

Absolutely, and here’s why.

The average monthly benefit for a person from Social Security for 2009 was $1,153 per month, or just under $14k per year. If you assume a person retires at age 65 and lives to be 75, they would collect approximately $140k in Social Security benefits, after having put away 6.25% of their income personally and their employer being taxed at 6.25% for the 43 years of their working life (age 22 to age 65).

Now, had this person contributed 6.25% of their income per year, at an average lifetime income of $40k (well below the national median) and stashed it at a piddling 3% interest per year, compounded annually — roughly the rate at which a government bond pays — they would have, at age 65, $220k total. And that is WITHOUT their employer having to pay a cent — it’s just the taxes they’re already paying.

How do you think people would receive that, child Tano? “Give the government 12.5% of your pay and get $140k, or keep it yourself and get $220k”? Not to mention the fact that immediately reducing business payroll expenses by 6.25% would trigger a hiring boom the likes of which has never been seen, which would mean that MORE people would have jobs.

The problem with that, Tano, is that you have to work in order to get that money, versus living off welfare. You can’t do that. You are a welfare addict, and therefore you need the government to take care of you because you’re too lazy and shiftless. Therefore you and your Barack Obama, also a lazy and shiftless welfare addict, insist that everyone else should be forced to pay for you. The wastage in Social Security comes from exactly that — the fact that welfare addicts like yourself and your Barack Obama who don’t work get proportionately MORE benefits than those who do.

Is that liberal thing? Gee, I thought it was a federalist point. Insurance has always been regulated at the state level, which is why the market is fragmented in that way. You want to federalize insurance regulation?

Tardo, your ignorance never ceases to amuse!

One thing federalists do NOT oppose is free and open markets. It is the fascist Democrats who have passed onerous mandates on both the insurance industry and individuals, requiring people to buy more coverage than they want or need, often just to line the pockets of their special interest groups, who have prohibited their constituents from buying policies out of state. As fascists always do, force people to do things their way, then put up walls to make sure they have no other choices.

But I love that on one hand you are arguing that health insurance is a states rights issue, while simultaneously arguing that the federal government needs to reform the industry! That points out the unconstitutionality at the core of Obamacare!

Just like you Obama refuses to allow people to buy Health insurance across state lines while simultaneously demanding that there is a federal issue and congress has the right to regulate the industry because of the inter-state commerce clause, even though they wont allow inter-state commerce.

One of the many reasons this fascist power grab will be thrown out as unconstitutional if your fascist party passes it.

So I ask you – what would be the popular support levels for doing away with health-care related entitlements?

Oh I readily admit that once entitlements pass they are very hard to take away. But not impossible. And certainly not because they are popular. Its not that people LIKE social security, for example, its that they have been forced to pay into it all their lives and they want THEIR money back.

But if you poll young people, who havent yet paid much into the bankrupt ponzi-scheme, they overwhelmingly want out. They want choice! They see that they can get a better return and enjoy a better retirement even if they just put the same amount of money in a basic savings account. And that they can enjoy far better retirement with diverse investment — EVEN when Democrats distort and destroy the markets by illegally guaranteeing bad bank loans .

Whats more, every single country in Europe, as well as our Canadian neighbors, are bringing free market reforms to their bankrupt, socialist entitlement programs, because they cant afford them, care is rationed, slow, unavailable, and millions are dying who wouldn’t have had they been free.

Lets look at some more questions.

“Now thinking specifically about the health insurance plans available to most Americans, would you favor or oppose creating a public health insurance option administered by the federal government
that would compete with plans offered by private health insurance companies?” yeah, the public option

Favor – 53% Oppose 46%

“Who do you trust more to handle major changes in the country’s health care system — the Democrats in Congress or the Republicans in Congress?”

Dems – 43%, Reps – 40%

But most fascinating of all – they asked the question last month about the HOUSE BILL – you know, they totally rad liberal bill with a public option and all that (and over 1 trillion dollars) –
Favor -46% , Oppose 49% – within the margin of error.

So once again – given all this, what do you really think is the significance of that 61% – how much of it is liberals expressing disappointment at how the bill does not go far enough?

Sorry to say – but a good plurality of the people, and a majority of those who have decided views, are supportive of Obamacare

Another bald-faced Tano lie. According to CNN which polls ALL Americans (not voters, not likely voters, but even people who never vote…the ignorant group most likely to support Democrats)…

61% of ALL Americans oppose Obamacare and ONLY a tiny minority of 36%, only the fascist base of the fascist Democrat party supports it.

I do so love it when the fool Tano blunders into these things with his talking points.

Since the pathetic liar Reid and the fool Obama refuse to keep their campaign promises and post the bill, the public can’t know anything about either — yet Tano waves the “poll results” frantically to “prove” that Americans want one.

So here we have the talking points repeater Tano shrieking that poll results don’t count when he claims people don’t know enough about the subject — but then calling them ironclad when it is impossible for people to know about the subject.

This is typical for Tano, though, who lies like his Barack Obama. Tano was caught lying about Sarah Palin, but as is typical for scum like himself, refuses to take responsibility or accountability. He is nothing but a pathetic paid criminal, a talking points repeater who is dodging taxes and who is receiving taxpayer money illegally.

I would snapshot Tano’s posts, GP and GPW. In a year, when Congress can finally investigate how the criminal Obama Party is spending taxpayer dollars on propagandaizing for Obama, it will be simple to correlate the amount of time Tano has spent on the blog with the timecards he has submitted for his “contract” with the Department of Healht and Human Services. It should be interesting to see how the blabbering Tano explains that — or if he will willingly go to jail for defrauding the government to protect his precious Obama.

That was a fascinating poll. Great insight into the public’s mind. When asking the top-line question – do you have favorable, unfavorable or neutral feelings about the tea party movement, there was also an option for “no opinion, or unsure”. That latter category got 15% response.

But they also asked a separate question. How much do you know about the Tea Party movement?

Great Deal – 7%
Fair Amount – 21%
Just Some – 23%
Very Little – 25%
Nothing at all – 23%

In other words, even though 48% of the people admit to knowing very little or nothing about the movement, 85% had an opinon about it. Heck, 71% of the people admit to knowing “just something” or less.

If I were you, I would not exactly take these support numbers to the bank.

Soooooo…. in other words, they’ll bit on a pillow, accept the ass raping and then beg for more. I’d call that prostitution if they got anything other than an ass jamming.

I think you might be surprised, there has been polling on it; however, in order to give you something to bide your time with, I’ll let you go look it up because I’m going to bed.

However Tano/gillie, that was the purpose of this clause: “To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;” To keep commerce regular not regulate the hell out of my back yard. It was put in to keep states from ganging up on other states, you know things that cause wars. I think we’ve said this before, give me a few minutes and I’ll go back and find the posts from the past.

Is that liberal thing? Gee, I thought it was a federalist point. Insurance has always been regulated at the state level, which is why the market is fragmented in that way. You want to federalize insurance regulation? OK, I’ll consider that….

“Like the massive expansion of people eligible for entitlements,”

Hmmm. OK. This line of discussion started with a question about the polling popularity of “free market approaches”. So I ask you – what would be the popular support levels for doing away with health-care related entitlements?
In fact, you don’t have to answer that, just do all you can to make sure that your party takes that position in the next election.