Comments on: Some Declines You Just Can’t Hide

By: The_Livewire

The_Livewire — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:57:27 +0000

I’ll grant you that Pat.

By: Pat

Pat — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:52:43 +0000

Livewire, I would say at least 50 years. So if the current warming trend peaked in 1998 as you suggest, we probably won’t know for another 38 years or so.

By: The_Livewire

The_Livewire — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:51:15 +0000

Pat,

How many years is ‘quite a few’? As the undoctored data shows, we hit that ‘peak’ in 98

By: Pat

Pat — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:38:31 +0000

Dan, you seem to be falling into the same trap that many in both camps fall into. Yes, we are definitely having cold weather here. But that doesn’t even come close to being an argument against global warming, just like having record heat during a summer does not come close to being an argument for global warming. Even if global warming (more than what would be “normally” expected) was happening, there are still going to be periods of cold weather and snow like this.

Further, with these types of cycles, changes are quite small at the maximum and minimum points. For example, the change in the amount of daylight per day is very small at the winter and summer solstice.

With climate, there can be fluctuations (hotter or colder periods) like we are having now. They provide very little clues as to what is happening in the long term. If it turns out that we have finally hit the peak of the current warming period, it’s going to be quite a few years before we really see any evidence of it.

By: Pat

Pat — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:22:31 +0000

I wish that was true, Ashpenaz. Because if it were, we wouldn’t need to rely on rogue nations for energy. We need more time to develop the alternative energies. In the meantime, we should probably tap more of our own fossil fuels.

By: Ashpenaz

Ashpenaz — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:05 +0000

What’s the big deal if we do use up all the fossil fuels? We have alternative energy in place, so why not gulp down all the oil, and then move on? The planet can run without fossil fuel, and will have to someday. Why not sooner than later?

By: Gene in Pennsylvania

Gene in Pennsylvania — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:12:30 +0000

I think the critics, the anti global warming people, the skeptics, are the speak truth to power people on this issue.
The rest were sheep just going along because it felt good. None of us has the data, the thousands of years of temperatures, the ice cores. We depended on the “scientists” to give us accurate measurments and conclusions. But inherently we knew, if you can’t predict the weather 4 days from now, how can you judge mans impact on the climate. If we can warm up the globe, why can’t we cool it off. If we can cool it off, why can’t we make it rain. If we can make it rain why can’t we stop snow storms. And if liberals believe we can stop global warming….go ahead, liberals have wasted 20 years debating it…go ahead….start. Don’t drive, don’t use A/C, don’t mow your lawns, don’t use washing machines….go ahead start saving the planet. But they haven’t. The biggest global warming fanatics actually burn more fossil fuels that 1000 average people.

By: The_Livewire

The_Livewire — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:35:54 +0000

And again, when confronted with reality, Tano chooses to hide from it until his next set of talking points come in…

By: ThatGayConservative

ThatGayConservative — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:24:51 +0000

What’s amusing is when you consider the eeeeevil corporations the watermelons are BFF with. They even palled around with Enron until they figured out how to smear Bush with them.

Also interesting, the oil companies have spent more on alternative energy than Washington has. So what’s the obvious solution? Steal their money and funnel it into Washington (windfall profits taxes).

By: ThatGayConservative

ThatGayConservative — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:34:04 +0000

Wait! It went from 31º at 2300 to 38º by 0300. That’s the proof of warming, right?

By: American Elephant

American Elephant — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:21:22 +0000

“Hide the decline”…yet another contender for best slogan to sum up Democrat control.

By: Sean A

Sean A — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:44:47 +0000

#32: Talking Points Tano, I know how excited you get when you temporarily entertain the fantasy that I agree with you on anything, but the reality is that you forfeited any credibility you might have had on environmental matters a long time ago. If you really gave a crap about the burning of fossil fuels, greenhouse gasses, US dependence on foreign oil, the development of alternative energy, or man-made climate change, you would not have praised Obama so lavishly when confronted with the fact that he committed billions of US tax dollars in the form of loan guarantees to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance a massive off-shore drilling project in Brazil’s Tupi oil field (and in which George Soros coincidentally has an investment worth $811 million). Consequently, all of your arguments supporting laws and regulations designed to wreck the US economy in the name of the environment are a FRAUD, as are you.

P.S. One more thing Talking Points. Applying your own rule of implied admissions, since you didn’t deny being ignorant of the correct spelling of “apparent,” I think we can safely assume that you learned a valuable lesson here tonight.

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:55:37 +0000

Why use logic and reason when you can blame humankind, specifically life-saving Western economic progress?

By: SoCalRobert

SoCalRobert — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:31:29 +0000

I read the article about Peru’s mountain people yesterday in the Guardian. I just knew that AGW was to blame.

Sure enough: In a world growing ever hotter, Huancavelica is an anomaly. These communities, living at the edge of what is possible, face extinction because of increasingly cold conditions in their own microclimate, which may have been altered by the rapid melting of the glaciers.

Uh-huh.

It’s interesting to note that there is precedent for populations “living close to nature” being forced to migrate in the past. The Anasazi, for example, may have migrated due to climate change in the 12th and 13th centuries.

By: Spike

Spike — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:34:23 +0000

i believe that there some form of Global Warming but it’s not because of you and me like the liberal media always try say. I believe this is just a scam so they can keep adding new taxes and limit are civil liberties. It’s so freaking cold here in the northeast. Frosty!!!

By: Tano

Tano — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:23:08 +0000

Well Sean, I congratulate you on getting to the very end of my long spiel, and I am gratified by your implied admission that there is nothing there for you to criticize but the spelling of the last word.

It is so stunning to see such a lack of skepticism coming from the side that claims to be skeptics on this issue – when it comes to reading things that they wish to be true. I am going to assume that you are resisting falling into that trap. Cheers.

By: Sean A

Sean A — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:02:11 +0000

#19: Tano, I don’t care if you believe that plants have feelings, or that when it rains, it’s some pagan, mother-earth deity that is actually crying. All I ask is that you take a moment to learn how to spell the word “apparent.” It’s not “apparant.” And don’t try to play it off as some typo because you’ve NEVER spelled it right. Not once–or if you did spell it “apparent,” THAT was the typo.

By: Gene in Pennsylvania

Gene in Pennsylvania — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:58:33 +0000

Now Obama bankruptcies are skyrocketing.
Are there any numbers going in the right direction?
Guess there’s only so much you can ask from boobs, blunderers,
morons, ditherers, liberals, and idiots.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126263231055415303.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

By: Gene in Pennsylvania

Gene in Pennsylvania — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:52:36 +0000

#28 the sun? The sun?
How the hell can the sun have anything to do with earths global warming?

By: Otter

Otter — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:31:53 +0000

When the models take into account the PDO, the AO, Clouds, precipitation, the SUN and a score of other effects / influences / cycles that they currently IGNORE…. then we might begin believing them tammy.