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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/that-didnt-take-long-abc-reporter-attacks-tea-party-nation-leaders-during-press-conference-video/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link for above&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/that-didnt-take-long-abc-reporter-attacks-tea-party-nation-leaders-during-press-conference-video/" rel="nofollow">Link for above</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/02/04/nglft-keeps-sunshine-out-of-meetings-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-548488</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I felt the same thing when the First National Tea Party Convention closed itself off to the media. No journalists allowed except pre-chosen friendlies.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/that-didnt-take-long-abc-reporter-attacks-tea-party-nation-leaders-during-press-conference-video/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh really?&lt;a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The media elites could only sit on their hands for so long. After biting his lip for twenty minutes New York-based ABC reporter John Berman ripped into the National Tea Party Convention leaders at their press conference today.&lt;/i&gt;

Do you just repeat everything you receive from Obama, torrentprime? When are you going to learn that Obama&#039;s black skin does not mean that he always tells the truth, as you believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I felt the same thing when the First National Tea Party Convention closed itself off to the media. No journalists allowed except pre-chosen friendlies.</i> </p>
<p><a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/that-didnt-take-long-abc-reporter-attacks-tea-party-nation-leaders-during-press-conference-video/" rel="nofollow">Oh really?</a><a></p>
<p><i>The media elites could only sit on their hands for so long. After biting his lip for twenty minutes New York-based ABC reporter John Berman ripped into the National Tea Party Convention leaders at their press conference today.</i></p>
<p>Do you just repeat everything you receive from Obama, torrentprime? When are you going to learn that Obama&#8217;s black skin does not mean that he always tells the truth, as you believe?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Banzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Petrelis&#039; blog informative and he is very insightful on many issues.  Unfortunately, he has no room to criticize others for &quot;failure to regularly provide open, on-the-record, unfiltered community engagement&quot;.

He has recently had an important series of posts about the murder of a gay rights activist in Honduras.  Unfortunately, in those posts he mischaracterizes last summer&#039;s removal from office of Honduran President Zelaya a &quot;coup&quot;.

I submitted a comment to one of the earlier posts pointing out the long history of strong-man government in Honduras and throughout Latin America (caudillismo).  In an attempt to counteract that legacy, Hondurans&#039; have constitutional provisions that not only impose presidential term limits, but prohibit public officials from advocating changing the term limit provision.  Last spring Zelaya was openly advocating for a plebiscite to repeal the term limits - an open violation of the other constitutional provision.

Unfortunately, their Constitution does not specify any particular method by which a President is to be removed from office (our Constitution provides for Impeachment).  The Honduran Supreme Court, Attorney General and Congress all agreed Zelaya violated the Constitution and had to be removed.  They asked the military to remove him and it did.  

After setting out the argument that what happened was, in fact, Constitutional Rule of Law, I suggested that labeling the removal a &quot;coup&quot; was akin to Yanqui imperialists telling Hondurans that we know how to run their country better than they do.

My post never appeared in his moderated comments, though other comments showed up in blog postings written after I submitted my comment.  I resubmitted it a couple days later in case there had been a technical error.  Still nothing.  The comment was quite siimlar to this one.  It simply set out a view of Honduran recent events that differed from the blog&#039;s author&#039;s view.  There was absolutely no reason to filter it if he truly believes in &quot;unfiltered community engagement&quot; that blogs can uniquely provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Petrelis&#8217; blog informative and he is very insightful on many issues.  Unfortunately, he has no room to criticize others for &#8220;failure to regularly provide open, on-the-record, unfiltered community engagement&#8221;.</p>
<p>He has recently had an important series of posts about the murder of a gay rights activist in Honduras.  Unfortunately, in those posts he mischaracterizes last summer&#8217;s removal from office of Honduran President Zelaya a &#8220;coup&#8221;.</p>
<p>I submitted a comment to one of the earlier posts pointing out the long history of strong-man government in Honduras and throughout Latin America (caudillismo).  In an attempt to counteract that legacy, Hondurans&#8217; have constitutional provisions that not only impose presidential term limits, but prohibit public officials from advocating changing the term limit provision.  Last spring Zelaya was openly advocating for a plebiscite to repeal the term limits &#8211; an open violation of the other constitutional provision.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, their Constitution does not specify any particular method by which a President is to be removed from office (our Constitution provides for Impeachment).  The Honduran Supreme Court, Attorney General and Congress all agreed Zelaya violated the Constitution and had to be removed.  They asked the military to remove him and it did.  </p>
<p>After setting out the argument that what happened was, in fact, Constitutional Rule of Law, I suggested that labeling the removal a &#8220;coup&#8221; was akin to Yanqui imperialists telling Hondurans that we know how to run their country better than they do.</p>
<p>My post never appeared in his moderated comments, though other comments showed up in blog postings written after I submitted my comment.  I resubmitted it a couple days later in case there had been a technical error.  Still nothing.  The comment was quite siimlar to this one.  It simply set out a view of Honduran recent events that differed from the blog&#8217;s author&#8217;s view.  There was absolutely no reason to filter it if he truly believes in &#8220;unfiltered community engagement&#8221; that blogs can uniquely provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason there is no discussion is because the gay left wants sexual liberation for everybody, not access to traditional marriage. The gay left is not trying to find legal recognition for gay relationships which are lifelong, sexually exclusive, and publicly accountable. They are trying to free everyone from patriarchal and oppressive traditions which have pesky things like only one partner and age limits. 

They don&#039;t want to include gay conservatives or gay Christians because they might end up with a marriage law that, rather than bringing in open relationships, multiple partners, and serial monogamy, actually requires some level of morality and loyalty. And who on the gay left wants that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason there is no discussion is because the gay left wants sexual liberation for everybody, not access to traditional marriage. The gay left is not trying to find legal recognition for gay relationships which are lifelong, sexually exclusive, and publicly accountable. They are trying to free everyone from patriarchal and oppressive traditions which have pesky things like only one partner and age limits. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want to include gay conservatives or gay Christians because they might end up with a marriage law that, rather than bringing in open relationships, multiple partners, and serial monogamy, actually requires some level of morality and loyalty. And who on the gay left wants that?</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Ballot Proposal to Overturn Prop 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Ballot Proposal to Overturn Prop 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: B. Daniel Blatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Daniel Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>torrent, this time, we agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>torrent, this time, we agree.</p>
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		<title>By: torrentprime</title>
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		<dc:creator>torrentprime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt the same thing when the First National Tea Party Convention closed itself off to the media. No journalists allowed except pre-chosen friendlies. And this &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; &quot;closed to the media&quot;, not just off the record. If the Tea Partiers have any interest in converting others to their movement, acting afraid of sunlight isn&#039;t the way to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt the same thing when the First National Tea Party Convention closed itself off to the media. No journalists allowed except pre-chosen friendlies. And this <b>is</b> &#8220;closed to the media&#8221;, not just off the record. If the Tea Partiers have any interest in converting others to their movement, acting afraid of sunlight isn&#8217;t the way to do it.</p>
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