What is it with you people and black elected officials?

They got their token in the WH to assuage their White Guilt. That’s all they need.

Lieberman was the key to the public option collapse, and he is as much a republican as a democrat, given that he was elected as an independent, and campaigned for John McCain.

You may recall that Lieberman ran for VP with Gore in 2000. You may recall that the Dems unceremoniously dumped him when he wouldn’t play ball on bashing Bush and minimizing the War on Terrorism. You may recall that Lieberman won his reelection as and “Independent.” You may recall that the Democrats crawled on their knees to fold him into their 60 seat super majority.

Tano, any one of the 60 Senators making up the super majority is “key” to anything the Obama thugocrats want to accomplish. They would crap all over Lieberman if they had two more seats. And now that you have to cry about the death of Obamacare due to Scott Brown, you step out front and start the crap on Lieberman dumpfest.

Why didn’t you brave, principled leftist/progressives just kick Lieberman down the stairs from the get go? Why did you sully your fine reputations by sucking up to him when you had a use for him? You guys play stick ball by ghetto rules.

Look right now the public hates the liberals and has a growiing dislike for Obama.

And nobody’s laughing at/with Baghdad Bob Gibbs anymore.

Say Tano, while you’re looking for those 160 Republican ideas liberals supposedly adopted, perhaps you could find how many jobs Chairman Obama created or saved for the Ritz Carlton LV employees.

What these presidential appeals for bipartisanship always mean is: do it my way.

Mr. Obama said he “won’t hesitate to embrace a good idea from my friends in the minority party.” But he wants his way. He wants his energy policy enacted along with his jobs bill, his financial regulatory reform and his health care plan.

When even the network that published blatant lies on behalf of the Obama Party to attack Republicans is saying this, the scent of impending doom is overwhelming.

I’ve heard many folks claim, even Obama said this, that 160 -some GOP amendments found their way into the Senate bill – and I have never heard any Republican deny that.

Name them. If it’s true, then surely you won’t have any problem finding them and sharing them with us. What we have heard is liberal douchebags and the same from the WH chanting over and over that Republicans haven’t offered anything meaningful. And then the Professor claimed he never said it whilst in Baltimore.

So which is it? Did Republicans offer anything or not???

They never gave a damn about the actual issue (well some of them indiviually may have, but not as a party).

Au contraire. They DO give a damn which is why they oppose the Statist ass raping the liberals are proposing.

they will grandstand a bit about starting the whole process over (as they already are),

They can’t get it passed as is, so one would naturally conclude (unless you’re a dumbass) that starting over is necessary.

And there was even more.

Obama said he warned the Congressional leaders face-to-face that he will use his power to unilaterally fill some empty positions if the logjam in the Senate cannot be broken.

“I made this very clear — if the Senate does not act to confirm these nominees, I will consider making several recess appointments during the upcoming recess,” the president said. “We can’t afford to allow politics to stand in the way of a well-functioning government.”

Funny, Obama adamantly opposed recess appointments and screamed that there was no need to make them when he was in the Senate.

It’s just a pity that Tano lacks the intellectual consistency to recognize Obama’s lies. It’s becoming even more obvious that Tano is, exactly as GP said, a lickspittle, nothing more than a talking-points repeater who demonstrates the cancer that liberalism is to intellectual thought, discussion, debate, and politics.

You lie again, Tano.

Republicans have repeatedly offered plans on multiple occasions.

The Obama Party has blocked and refused to consider any of this. The screaming Obama has refused to consider any improvements or Republican ideas.

As mentioned before, Obama is simply lying. There is no capacity to make changes to the bills that were passed. Republicans should point out repeatedly the backroom deals, the payoffs for individual Obama Party politicians, the massive tax increases on individuals and businesses, the heavy mandates, and the cuts to benefits for seniors that are the Obama Party’s strategy.

Obama is accountable for every one of those provisions. Obama approved and endorsed the payoffs, the tax increases, the benefit cuts, and everything in that bill. Obama needs to be a man and own up to what he and his leftist party want.

So since the bill has passed, no changes can be made to it.

There is no capacity to incorporate other ideas. The bill is established. Thus, it is clear that Obama is lying when he says he wants “new ideas”; he can’t put them into the bill anyway.

This is again no surprise. Obama, as you would expect from someone who says that graduates of public universities are intellectually inferior, thinks he can lie with impunity because people in his mind are too stupid to recognize when he’s lying. This is reinforced by his puppets like Tano, who support and endorse anything that he says.

Lieberman was the key to the public option collapse, and he is as much a republican as a democrat, given that he was elected as an independent, and campaigned for John McCain.

I don’t buy your claim that the GOP was shut out of the process. I’ve heard many folks claim, even Obama said this, that 160 -some GOP amendments found their way into the Senate bill – and I have never heard any Republican deny that. We all saw the gang of six negotiations, and how Baucus insisted for months that he was going to do his best to get a much GOP support as he could. He did, in the end, get Snowe.
And all this happened within a context where some GOP leaders were quite explicit – that defeat of ANY healthcare reform was their goal – it was to be Obama’s Waterloo – a way to hand him a political defeat. They never gave a damn about the actual issue (well some of them indiviually may have, but not as a party).

I think Obama is going to exploit this fact. He is making a very public appeal for bipartisan cooperation. If the Republicans were to be serious, and actually come to the table with ideas about how to improve the bill (and no – just coming with demands that it end up being a Republican bill is not serious), then it would be hard for him, politically, to dismiss those ideas. He would have to put his actions where his mouth is and accept some of them.
I actually think he would be ok with that. But what seems most likely is that the GOP will prove to be totally irresponsible – they will grandstand a bit about starting the whole process over (as they already are), they will demand that the only acceptable bill is a total GOP fantasy bill, as if they had a majority mandate, and the one thing that they will not do is ever agree to anything (I have seen some reporting in the last day or two that confirms that). That will then give Obama and the Dems all the political cover they need to push the bills through the “House passes Senate bill, then both pass fixup bill, in the Senate through reconciliation” pathway.

In the end there will be major reinforcement of the meme that was illustrated in one of the polls I mentioned – that the American people credit Obama more than the GOP for trying work together to get things done. Obama will be seen as doing that once again – going the extra mile, and the GOP be the uncooperative ones. Plus, a bill will pass. Two big political wins for Obama.

If things were getting accomplished (and of course, if the economic recovery becomes more manifest at the street level), then the anger will lessen.

Any economic recovery will become “more manifest” if the liberals don’t accomplish anything on their laundry list. The market tanked for 24 days, last year, after passage of the porkulus and it recovers more an more as the liberals fail.

If they shut their cakeholes and got the f**k out of people’s way, we could have a real recovery.

No, they’ve been trying to increase costs and bury the American people in even more regulation.

Ooops! I forgot to add that the libs are keen on allowing thousands to die and keeping tens of millions uninsured in an attempt hold on to their power.

They (the people) want the two parties to go to DC and take a break from campaigning and actually get something done. The Dems have done that –

Are you insane? Or, do you think no one noticed that the Democrats rammed this whole thing up the rear end of the electorate? Have you no clue what is eating the TEA party movement? Do you think you can stand next to Pelosi and declare this the most “open” and “transparent” effort ever and everyone is going to swallow that bald faced lie? You have to be world class stupid to think that spin will dazzle the masses.

What astounds me about your “strategy” is that you will not and cannot admit that you had, until Scott Brown, all the necessary alignment of the stars to pull your sorry Obamacare off. But you couldn’t control your own party, so you have set upon Republicans for not coming over and picking up the slack.

It is OK in your world for Democrats to waver, but when the Republicans stand united it is “obstructionist.” Please, dear Tano, take your silly strategy down the hall to the sophomore club and stir them up.

Obama is a world class screw up. All his continued bluster and Mussolini chin in the air only lowers his effectiveness and approval ratings. He boxed himself behind the safety wall of the bull ring with loud bravado. The crowd is rooting for the bull and the matador is hoping the bull will make him look good. Now the crowd is booing the Matador and the Matador thinks he can win them back by arching his back and striking a pose.

Just how does the Matador start the match anew? The bull has been gored, he is fighting mad. He is drawing a bead on the Matador. The Matador is all style and no substance. So, the Matador calls for the bull to compromise. The Matador hopes the crowd will award him an ear when he kills the bull after a clumsy, cowardly strutfest with no class, no bravery, and no ownership.

And sweet Tano tosses the Matador a rose.

The people support a comprehensive health-care reform being negotiated and passed. That is what the Dems have been trying to do for nearly a year now.

No, they’ve been trying to increase costs and bury the American people in even more regulation.

The Dems spent all last summer negotiating with the gang of six

And stuck with trying to get Snowe, which was their plan in the first place. They gave up nothing in that process and stuck with Comrade Obama’s arbitrary deadline after stating publicly that they wouldn’t.

Obama has tried constantly find some common ground with Republicans – to the point where he has massively teed off his own base,

[Citation Needed]

In what alternate universe does a photo op or two constitute trying “constantly”????

The people will decide and I guess we are both content to let that happen.

I don’t believe for a second that you don’t support Statist tyranny.

Need a pair of bullshit boots in here. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

Thems a lot of words that really don’t amount to much beyond the fact that you are intent on being totally impervious to the real world.

The people support a comprehensive health-care reform being negotiated and passed. That is what the Dems have been trying to do for nearly a year now. They have compromised enormously already – there is no single payer system despite many on the left wanting that. Heck, there isn’t even a public option in the Senate bill. The Dems spent all last summer negotiating with the gang of six – Obama has tried constantly find some common ground with Republicans – to the point where he has massively teed off his own base, many of whom think he is far too willing concerned with what Republicans think than what his base thinks.

The American people see that quite clearly. They do not want Republicans, or Democrats to go to DC and try to ram through programs that their bases support. They want the two parties to go to DC and take a break from campaigning and actually get something done. The Dems have done that – as I mention above, they have compromised enormously already in terms of the general outlines of the bill.

With each passing day, I am getting more and more the impression that Obama just might end up turning recent events to his advantage. I hope he is a crafty enough politician to do so, because there really is an opening.

You guys seem convinced that the populist brouhahas of the moment are some rejection of Washington in general. I suspect it is more a rejection of dysfunction in Washington. If things were getting accomplished (and of course, if the economic recovery becomes more manifest at the street level), then the anger will lessen.

But each party, as well as you and me, we all have our own hypotheses as to what is going on in the country. There is no use arguing over it, because neither of us would ever buy into the worldview of the other, and it is right and proper that we offer alternative views. The people will decide and I guess we are both content to let that happen.

By 63% to 34%, the people feel that lawmakers in DC should keep trying to pass a comprehensive health-care reform plan, vs .giving up.

I am surprised it isn’t a higher number of people who want honest, openly deliberated, all parties invited to the discussion, comprehensive healthcare reform instead of Obamacare.

Tano, do you ever think out your links or do you just automatically lean toward something that tangentially complements your ideology?

58% of the people feel that Republicans are doing too little to compromise with Obama. 44% feel that Obama is doing too little to compromise with the GOP.

Only the most screwed up questioning could lead to this farce of contradiction. If you support health care reform and reject Obamacare, as the Republicans do, what is there to compromise? On the other hand, if Obamacare is the basic program, what is Obama willing to compromise ……. which day of the week it begins?

58% of those polled think the GOP should help Obama take over a huge section of the economy. I doubt they were asked that. 44% of those polled agree that Obama should have coaxed the Republicans more in his take-over of a huge section of the economy. I doubt they were asked that, either.

Tano, you are forever trotting your polls in here. You can not really believe that you are making any inroads with your tripe.

If I were a spin machine employee, I would do what you are doing. I would float all manner of possible spin to gather the objections and then refine the spin. After all, the average ACORN seduced voter will join the Flat Earth Society if he is told he will see a government solution to his victim of society status.

As I told you (#17) and you so completely ignored:

Tano, the difference between healthcare reform and Obamacare is the difference between honest deliberation and premeditated gang rape.

But you insist on talking about healthcare reform when the issue is Obamacare. I guess buzzards only see road kill from one perspective.