Comments on: Now at BigJournalism.com:If Muslims Gay-Bash in San Francisco, Do They Make A Sound?

By: Nan G

Nan G — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:37:13 +0000

Atlas shrugs adds this:

Video of San Francisco Muslims Shooting Gay Man Shows 11 Other Attacks in a Single Night Laughing as they fired the gun

Victor Hwang, the prosecutor in the case, said “We know about this one case. We want to know about if there are any other cases.”

Why did he lie? He had the videotape. The DA had the video of eleven other attacks in a single night. Who was this DA protecting?

Also more here about the 11 other attacks.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/12/BALL1CEUUK.DTL#ixzz0i3s3OqKy

By: The_Livewire

The_Livewire — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:33:21 +0000

What’s more sad Jill, is that it sounds like they don’t condemn it, more are upset that you’re bringing it up. If that’s the case it’s really sad, and more than a little worrisome.

By: Jill Flyer

Jill Flyer — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:26:58 +0000

Just learned of this on Atlas Shrugged and wonder where o where is the liberal media? After posting to my FB page, comments about the Christians who kill abortion doctors, or historical crimes committed by other religions, are offered as moral equivalency. I disagree. These people are taught that it is an HONOR to kill those they describe as the “infidels”. Where is the the kind of appropriate outrage in this case as in others? I am outraged, and as a Jew it makes me sick to know that when anyone is targeted we are ALL complicit when we don’t speak out against it. I will spread the word myself in the absence of media coverage. Keep up the great work you’re doing here, and may G-d bless you and keep you.

By: Totakikay

Totakikay — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:20:47 +0000

ISLAMIC EXTREMIST ideology at its finest. I read the story about the two Gay Middle Eastern teens a few years ago, and now this?

I currently live (and grew up) in the San Francisco Bay Area, California. There is a predominant Muslim-Middle Eastern community in my city where I am. Let me tell you guys something: During my high school years, over 50% of the time most of my anti-gay bullies were Muslim teenage men, the other percentage is Latino teenage men. Some examples: As for the Latino guys (illegals?) they would ridicule me because of my effeminate gender-expression. As for the Muslim guys (religious extremists?) one of them called me a “f@g” while smiling snidely and another guy that tried to harass me. Another thing, I had a best friend who is a deeply-religious Muslim. We were good friends for several years until one day (after a personal argument I had with him, I won’t state details) he sent me two long emails (won’t state details) about his very negative beliefs about my sexual orientation, heh! I ENDED MY FRIENDSHIP WITH HIM because of that. He tried to continue my friendship with him but I resisted. Never spoke to him ever since.

And the FACT that most (about 65%) of the people in my community are Liberal-leaning, Democratic voters (For Christ sakes, my City Council is almost-unanimously Democrat) they might call me “racist” and “Islamophobic” if I told them that I merely disagreed with some Muslim beliefs. REALLY!? Yeah, anyways. It seems LGBT people are more discriminated here where I live, how ironic! I don’t hate Muslims, I just disagree with some of their ideology.

Its my first time posting on here. I appreciate Bruce and Daniel so much for this blog post. Yeah, I am technically not political or anything, but I’d rather vote Independent/Republican in the future.

By: ThatGayConservative

ThatGayConservative — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:54:44 +0000

Chris Budden had a piece at the RightPride website about how gay Republicans like Dorr Legg came before Stonewall.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:15:38 +0000

28…Separating the politicizing of something while separating it from political factions is like talking about cooking separate from the idea that people eat. I wouldn’t insult the intelligence of any of this blogs readers by suggesting they would fall for…I’ll call it an attempted distinction for lack of a better label. You advocate an interesting distinction, however devoid of reality. As for your list of orgs, I addressed the mutual outcomes of both sides. Your comments are not usually as myopic as those on this thread. Still, any attempted rationalization between the double standards we’ve seen in this article would be difficult under any circumstance. I’m sure you did your best.

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:45:57 +0000

Here are my thoughts.
The Gay Rights movement, like the feminist movement, environmental movement ect was instigated by Marxists. The Marxist use these causes as a trojan horse. The left is very good at identifing a problem or injustice but they then seduce good people with their Marxist cure. At the time of Stonewall in 1969, protests against the US were in vogue and the gay community followed suit with the Marxist tactics. The goal of Marxism of course is not to liberate gays or anyone else. The aim is to weaken and destroy capitalism and the USA is the most powerful example. Today, the left must make common cause with Islamic fascism in order to destroy the USA; enemy of my enemy is my friend. Therefore the gay groups focus on Christian bigots but ignore Islamic butchers of gay people. When the “punk jihad” act like the thugs they are, the left ignore it or excuse it because it does not fit in with their leftist narrative which is Islam is a victim; Christian is evil.
I hope that helps.

By: DRH

DRH — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:06:31 +0000

And DRH, aren’t smokers part of the public? Why do they get to have things decided for them by non-smokers?

Aren’t 12 year olds part of the public? Why does one part of the public get to decide they can’t drive?

Valid questions, Livewire. What do you think on both of those, as well as on the original question regarding gays?

Next thing you know, people will want to ban other people from having salt! Oh, wait, someone does:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_assault_on_salt_an_insult_chefs.html

By: Jenny

Jenny — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:45:12 +0000

Brilliant article, glad to see you speaking out further on the subject. Also thought the “don’t ask, don’t tell” analogy was spot on. The GLBTQ community is allowing itself to be sold out by the extremist ideologues in it’s leadership, there needs to be an awakening, a realization that it’s being used to advance that ideology and will be cast aside when it’s served it’s purpose, just as every other citizen is being exploited and cast aside by corrupt ideological leaders.

By: heliotrope

heliotrope — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:54:23 +0000

In 1988 Salman Rushdie mixed it up with the Ayatollah Khomeini with the publication of The Satanic Verses. In February, 1989, the Ayatollah Khomeini (head spiritual leader of the Iran Revolution) decreed The Satanic Verses blasphemy and issued a bounty for Rushdie's murder. This is when most of us learned about a Fatwa and a tiny bit about Sharia law. What followed was a string of bookstore bombings and Salman Rushdie going deep into hiding. That is really the side story. What we go along to get along people learned is that there are serious nut jobs among the muslims who can order people to death by religious decree (a Fatwa under Sharia law) and there are far too many youthful zealots who will take up the Fatwa and proudly and intentionally die carrying it out. Gays have a Fatwa against them. Right now, the Islamic fundamentalist zealots do not have gays at the top of the list of things they are willing to die over. Since they only get to die once, they would rather blow up a whole bunch of people at once. On the other hand, seeing how NYC prepares for the Israel Day Parade in June, I would imagine that they get equally antsy when there is a big Gay Day Parade as well. The problem is, most liberal gays think Christians are trying to slaughter them and that Islamic fundamentalist zealots are just bent out of joint because they believe they have been mistreated by Jews. I support sending a delegation of progressive gays to Iran to meet in Qom with the assembled Ayatollahs for the purpose of getting homosexuality incorporated as a fundamental value in Sharia law. After all, maybe nobody has ever tried to sit down with these people to work out their differences. Then again, maybe progressive gays are not as intense about their beliefs as your run of the mill Islamic fundamentalist zealot is about his beliefs.

By: John

John — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:20:37 +0000

22: You’ll note that I didn’t put a party label to my comments, you just assumed which is interesting in and of itself. Since you did, however, I note that the Left doesn’t have groups like TVC, AFA, FoF, NOM, etc. that like to put gays up as the ultimate boogey-man. No, the Left eschews religion, except when its useful of course, that have a negative impact on everyone like ACORN, SEIU, MoveOn, etc. It really makes no difference whether it comes from the Left or the Right, my question in reply to the earlier commentor stands and ignoring responding in favor of saying the other guy is just as bad or worse is not an answer. It’s a fair question especially in light of StraightAussie’s comments.

By: William Teach

William Teach — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:05:37 +0000

Simply an excellent article, Bruce, and right on the money. The only thing missing was that the MSM is also, most likely, scared to publish any ant-Muslim articles for fear of lawsuit by CAIR and death threats from those “peace loving” Muslim.

When it comes to treatment of gays by Muslims, the MSM and liberals disappear the same way they do with the way women are treated by Muslims.

By: lordshepard

lordshepard — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:24:09 +0000

I agree wholeheartedly with your statement:

“In order to be gay and part of “the community” in America, you must first renounce “the mainstream,” your individualism, liberty, capitalism, the Constitution, the basic right to vote and your patriotism. All those checked? Join the club!”

I am Christian, Republican and marched with the ‘ladies in white’, our local pro-war demonstrations during the initial Iraq invation, and paid for it dearly in the gay community. I tend to be either outright shunned or begrudgingly ‘tolerated’ by those in the community who know me and where I stand on things.

And I have encountered it in every gay community I have had experience with in America. They consider gays like us to be ‘sleeping with the enemy’ or some such nonsense.

The internet has been a blessing in this. It makes a huge difference to be able to connect online with like-minded gays. It helps to strengthen my resolve and gives me more confidence to speak up when such issues are discusses and offer my opinion.

Thank God for this site and others like it. You guys are a blessing.

By: The_Livewire

The_Livewire — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:54:16 +0000

Well he was voted in…

And DRH, aren’t smokers part of the public? Why do they get to have things decided for them by non-smokers?

Aren’t 12 year olds part of the public? Why does one part of the public get to decide they can’t drive?

By: DRH

DRH — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:37:39 +0000

NDT,

Are gays not part of the public? Why does one part of the public get to decide such things for other parts of the public? That’s where I find fault with your view on this. I doubt we can do other than assert out disagreement on how to answer that question.

You also said:

The people of Virginia made it clear that anything they support with their taxes does not have the right to extend special protections to gays. Make your employment decisions accordingly.

No, Gov. McDonnell did this by executive order. This was not voted on.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:32:47 +0000

Tim,
“I don’t think you can simultaneously condemn the “gay establishment” for not speaking out on these crimes at the same time you’re criticizing the media for not reporting it? Which is it? Is the media not reporting the identities to be politically correct? If that assertion is correct at the beginning of your article, how can you really hold the “gay establishment” responsible for not speaking out when the information is being censored by the press in the first place.”
No one here is naive enough to think that if these had been white guys wielding crosses that reports AND gay advocacy groups would not have been asking questions, demanding answers and set up protests and news conferences asking those questions to the public challenging the powers that be to answer. Bruce makes a correct point.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:31:03 +0000

John,

tho politicization of evangelical christians is a misnomer. Are there not evangelical christians in both parties that do not support gay rights? Before you make a false generalization that there are more on the right, let me point out there are enough on the left to have gotten us nothing when the dems had the white house, congress and a super majority in the senate. Christian are not on one side of the political scale. I’m sure it makes some people happy to believe that but reality is just not that important to people like that. Let them believe it.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:28:32 +0000

Joe…Justice will not be the same. if it had a been a white christian there would be protesters at the police station and they probably would not have gotten bail “for their own safety” and do you really think a christian religious nut job is going to attack muslims for shooting at gay people? Really? Religion should be kept out of it but how plausible is that when religion is the motive?

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:27:18 +0000

Bruce,
you sure are getting a lot of flak from people defending the lack of outrage and coverage that a christian doing the same would get. The point being that if this had a white person, christian etc. the coverage would have been very very different. Let the detractors quibble over minor points if they want. I don’t think even they believe their rationalizations. I am surprised they think anyone else would.

By: Stone K

Stone K — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:16:13 +0000

Did anyone read the comments in the SF chronicle? the day this news story broke a huge number instantly said things claiming these guys must be 1) republicans 2) white Christians and 3)”tea baggers”.

Granted the Chron does not mention race (unless they are white) but they did name the individuals and yet the left screamed “it is white christian republicans!”

the hypocrisy in SF is amazing