This whole healthcare debacle is about having someone else pay your medical bills. That has nothing to do with insurance and everything to do with welfare. Obamacare has been focused on redesigning insurance and that has been a complete ruse. It will force the collapse of health insurance and cause nationalized health care as and entitlement. To believe otherwise leaves you still trying to bottle the smoke and pixie dust from the great hopeandchange side show.

As ILC points out here, the concept of redistributive health “insurance” is insane. If anyone has mental problems, it is those who won’t even deal with the reality of what insurance is.

single payer coverage offered by almost every industrial country in the world except the US.

Name them. And for good measure, point out the ones that don’t ration treatment or medicine and don’t have patients dying while waiting to be treated. Be sure to highlight those countries with higher innovation in medical equipment and medication. While your at it, make sure to familiarize yourself with HIPPA because you seem grossly ignorant of it.

I think he is better off passing it and let the republicans defend their vote for the staus quo.

Please list all Republicans who want the “status quo”? Does the “status quo” refer to anyone who opposes gReid/Granny Botox health carless? If so, be sure to include those democrats who want the “status quo”.

But I don’t think his plan would make things worse–certainly not worse for the millions of people who work and can’t afford insurance.

Brendan, what is your vision of “insurance”? There is a conventional wisdom circulating that the chronically ill are less than 5% of the population and they rack up 50% of the health costs. That leaves a lot of people who only need to insure against bad luck in the health department. That is not bad news. For most of us, fire insurance is just a safe guard. For most of us, major medical insurance would take care of financial ruin if we encountered a serious health crisis. But for too many “insurance” has come to mean free health care. That is an abuse of the term. You can not use “insurance” as a warranty for your body.

There is only one single payer that has a vested interest in your health and that person is YOU. If you give a squat about your health, you would choose to insure yourself.

Your idea that millions of people work and can’t afford insurance is nuts. We could certainly build government clinics far and wide and those who prefer the DMV approach to health care could go to them. It would be significantly cheaper than trying to elevate everyone to the union level of boutique medical pampering.

I don’t want to live on food stamps or live in Section 8 housing. I would not much want to get DMV health care, either. But, if that is where I ended up, I would certainly be much better off than your average poor person world wide. The fact is, we already have emergency room and health clinic care. We just need to formalize it and be realistic about it. If welfare is your life style, try not to whine.

Ooo, the lefty wants to play the game. So let’s start.

Brendan, I demand that you immediately provide your credentials as a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist.

By the way, the instant you do so, there will be an ethics complaint filed with your state board of licensure that states specifically that you were a) diagnosing a patient who you have never met and b) doing so for the express purpose of discrediting them publicly. In other words, you can kiss your license goodbye.

And if you’re not a psychologist or psychiatrist, then you need to look up what the penalty is for practicing medicine without a license. Or you can simply admit that you are not even close to being qualified to make the diagnoses you just made and have no idea about what you’re talking.

What this boils down to is that your selfishness has just been called out and there’s no good answer.

Answer this, Brendan; why should a responsible person, who eats right, exercises, avoids tobacco use, and always practices safe sex have to pay the same rates as someone like yourself, who overeats, refuses to exercise, smokes, and has promiscuous sex? You are going to require multiple times the health care, but you are paying the same amount.

How is that fair? How is that “equal”?

Business can be very creative when it’s allowed to be.

Sorry but this response shows very serious mental health problems. Have we met? Do you know something about my sex life and eating habits that to my knowledge (about my life) are not true? Calm down guy! For what it is worth, as a socialist redistrutor of wealth that I am I will agree to personally earmark my income taxes to cover ND30′s anti-psychotic medications. You can even have a cigarette on me if it helps the Tourette Syndrome.

WHAT?

You are upset because some people have houses and you can’t afford one, so your “solution” is to force them to pay for it?

Who in the hell do you think you are? What gives you the right to take from others?

Which is why insurance companies don’t do it.

This is a flat-out redistribution of wealth. Worse, it’s being done for exactly the wrong reasons. What Obama is saying is that, rather than him having to pay more because he chooses to smoke and use cocaine, those of us who choose to do neither should be forced to pay more so he doesn’t have to deal with the consequences of his decisions.

If you want “mandatory”, Brendan, go all the way. If I’m going to be forced to pay for your health care, I should have the right to force your fat ass to get onto a treadmill and bar you from ever going into McDonalds. Furthermore, I should be able to jail you for having unprotected gay sex and spreading HIV, since it increases my health care costs.