My Challenge to Barney Frank’s Defenders
Since the unhappy Democrat from Massachusetts is demanding that his Republican colleagues do more to “differentiate themselves” from the hateful speech spewed by a handful of anti-Obamacare protesters, I challenge defenders of Mr. Frank to provide examples of statements the Democrat made–while George W. Bush was in office–differentiating himself (and his party) from hateful insults leveled against that Republican president.
FROM THE COMMENTS: Scott doesn’t rise to meet my challenge. Instead, he offers a telling anecdote which, I’m sure, Barney (and his cheerleaders in the MSM) will ignore:
Of the accounts I’ve read, only one Tea Party protestor was arrested. There was a much smaller anti-war protest yesterday which resulted in 8 arrests, including Cindy Sheehan, who yelled “arrest that war criminal!!”, right before her arrest.
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Of the accounts I’ve read, only one Tea Party protestor was arrested. There was a much smaller anti-war protest yesterday which resulted in 8 arrests, including Cindy Sheehan, who yelled “arrest that war criminal!!”, right before her arrest. But have any bloggers even noticed those arrests or that our president is being labeled a war criminal? Hardly.
Apparently its more despicable to hurl a slur at members of Congress than to charge the commander in chief with being a war criminal.
Comment by Scott — March 21, 2010 @ 6:15 pm - March 21, 2010
There is absolutely no equivalence. Blacks and gays can be denigrated in ways that normal people can’t. Calling a black person a nigger because of how they’re going to vote on a piece of legislation is a lot different than disagreeing with somebody on policy grounds and getting a little too hyperbolic. Nobody was at the anti-war rallies during the Bush years using racial epithets, probably because there really aren’t any for straight white males. I’m sure people said some things that went a little too far, but that’s worlds apart from what was said to these black representatives.
There is this impression that the left is the angry group in this country and that the Republicans are the cool cucumbers, but look at the reactions to the most recent Presidents’ two main policy points. Liberals had an illegal and unnecessary war to rally against, Republicans have healthcare. That’s right, conservatism is going ballistic because of some legislation designed to provide more Americans with basic medical care. I’m sorry, but I think that there is a wide chasm there as well. You didn’t see liberals trying to shut Congress down during the Medicare bill or No Child Left Behind, did you?
Comment by Levi — March 21, 2010 @ 6:48 pm - March 21, 2010
Um, sweetie, I know it’s been a really hard day for you, but maybe the reason nobody’s rising to your “challenge” is because it doesn’t make sense. I mean, it literally doesn’t make sense.
“I challenge defenders of Mr. Frank to provide examples of his statements in the Bush Administration differentiating himself from the hateful speech of that Republican presidents.”
“Hateful speech of that Republican presidents.” ??
[Whoops, thanks for catching my typo. Should remember never to blog in haste when I'm about to rush out the door. Fixed.]
We all know you and your teabag-fanboy girlfriends over there fetishize idiocy as a value of real authentic Americans, but really, as a blogger, shouldn’t you hold yourself to a bit of a higher standard?
[Wow, wow, wow, what a string of mean-spirited insults, including a sexual slur. And then asking us to hold ourselves to a higher standing, now that's rich! --Dan]
I know you don’t like it when the rules of “your challenged” are changed by your readers, but here goes: I challenge you to show us one example of “that Republican presidents” (Bush) being attacked for his race or sexuality. We’ve seen both Bush and Obama compared to Hitler, etc. ad nauseum, but your little challenge sneakily avoids the issue at hand here: tea-partiers’ attacks were explicitly based on race and sexuality. Apparently, even the Republican leadership is now deciding that kind of talk is out-of-bounds. But defensive apologists like you would rather deny, throw dust up in the air and turn back the hands of time rather than face the truth: the tea party is a cesspool of angry, uninformed, and hate-filled bottom-feeders.
Comment by william — March 21, 2010 @ 6:50 pm - March 21, 2010
Apparently its more despicable to hurl a slur at members of Congress than to charge the commander in chief with being a war criminal.
Yes, it most certainly is. And this isn’t just ‘a’ slur, this is the slur. Hurling the slur, compared to just about anything, is the more despicable thing to do.
That’s leaving aside the fact that George Bush is a war criminal that deserves to be spending the rest of his life behind bars.
Comment by Levi — March 21, 2010 @ 6:51 pm - March 21, 2010
Levi –
There is no PROOF that these things happened. Just because liberals cry “racists”, does that always make it so?
Comment by GayPatriot — March 21, 2010 @ 7:00 pm - March 21, 2010
No proof other than a half-dozen witnesses and several journalists. But I guess we should trust your utterly unfounded instincts that they’re not racists instead.
Comment by william — March 21, 2010 @ 7:16 pm - March 21, 2010
What about the ‘racist’ slur hurled at Tea Partiers who never said or did anything to warrant it? Levi asserts there is no epithet comparable to “nigger” for angry white men, but “racist” and “homophobe” seem to fit the analogy well.
Comment by Brendan In Philly — March 21, 2010 @ 7:39 pm - March 21, 2010
Sorry, Brendan, semantic pretzel-twisting FAIL. Calling someone racist isn’t, by definition, racist. And calling someone homophobic isn’t, by definition, anti-straight. See how concepts work when you think them through?
Comment by william — March 21, 2010 @ 7:58 pm - March 21, 2010
Heres the video of the WHOLE EVENT william! Please cite the time on the video where the alleged epithets are screamed
otherwise, like a typical liberal, you are simply a bald faced liar.
Comment by American Elephant — March 21, 2010 @ 8:05 pm - March 21, 2010
Video here
Comment by American Elephant — March 21, 2010 @ 8:06 pm - March 21, 2010
So, where were Reps. Jim Clyburn, John Lewis, Andre Carson, et al, when the SEIU thugs assaulted a black Tea Partier and called him a nigger?
Hello?
Levi? William? Anything to say here?
Comment by John — March 21, 2010 @ 8:29 pm - March 21, 2010
see comment in later post, Elephant. And try not to be so stupid.
Comment by william — March 21, 2010 @ 8:30 pm - March 21, 2010
“Blacks and gays can be denigrated in ways that normal people can’t.”
As an openly heterosexual male of 50 who has never (just ask my wife) been accused of being “normal”, I’m not sure what that statement actually means. In any case, until I see some video or hear some audio that confirms this story, I will with hold judgment on the matter. If it turns out to be true, the evolutionary throw backs who did it deserve all the scorn they get. If it didn’t happen, those making accusations should STFU.
Comment by Chris L. — March 21, 2010 @ 9:19 pm - March 21, 2010
William,
The only stupid one is you, leveling accusations that you have ZERO evidence to back up.
Notice also that half the Democrats are filming the event yet none of them can release the video that would back up their accusations.
How hate-filled must a person be to actually DEFEND baseless accusations.
You are a piece of work william. Get thee to a psychoanalyst!
Comment by American Elephant — March 21, 2010 @ 9:51 pm - March 21, 2010
STOP REACTING TO THESE ACCUSATIONS!!!! They are not true!! It’s what they do, YOU MAKE THEM PROVE IT!!!! THE BLOGS ON THE RIGHT NEED TO STOP WRITING ABOUT IT UNLESS THEY HAVE VIDEO AND AUDIO PROOF!!!! That is what WE have to do don’t we!! THEY HAVE TO PROVE IT PERIOD. Americans are not racist or hate gays, if that was true wouldn’t we of seen a whole lot more of this behavior???? This whole spectacle sure looked like a set up to me, WHY would they parade right through that protest like that?? I have never seen Barney with any of those people before let alone walk in a group sticking it up those peoples noses have you? If so arrest who ever did it and move on, we need to demand it from now on. Enough is enough of this name calling.
Comment by jann — March 21, 2010 @ 11:11 pm - March 21, 2010
What’s in store for all of the leftist, lying pieces of s*** who troll here (Levi, Tano, William, ad nauseum) is going to be a lot worse than any epithets (that in this case were NEVER uttered).
See you on the battlefield, you un-American sons of bitches. There we’ll find out what you’re made of; when you can’t wage your war on this great country with your keyboards.
Mark my words, a lot more than your feelings are going to be hurt.
Comment by DoctorAJ — March 22, 2010 @ 1:17 am - March 22, 2010
Nearly twelve hours after I issue my challenge (a few fewer though if we account for the point initially poorly made because of my hasty writing), still no one has written in to provide examples of Mr. Frank differentiating Democrats from the hateful rhetoric spewed against George W. Bush during that Republican’s eight years in the White House.
Guess ol’ Barney really does hold Republicans to a higher standard than the one he maintains for himself.
Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — March 22, 2010 @ 4:58 am - March 22, 2010
What about the ‘racist’ slur hurled at Tea Partiers who never said or did anything to warrant it? Levi asserts there is no epithet comparable to “nigger” for angry white men, but “racist” and “homophobe” seem to fit the analogy well.
Yeah, that’s right buddy. ‘Homophobe’ is on the same level as ‘nigger.’
Not even close..
Comment by Levi — March 22, 2010 @ 9:06 am - March 22, 2010
What’s in store for all of the leftist, lying pieces of s*** who troll here (Levi, Tano, William, ad nauseum) is going to be a lot worse than any epithets (that in this case were NEVER uttered).
See you on the battlefield, you un-American sons of bitches. There we’ll find out what you’re made of; when you can’t wage your war on this great country with your keyboards.
Mark my words, a lot more than your feelings are going to be hurt.
Oh god, lolololololol. Can’t wait, tough guy!
Comment by Levi — March 22, 2010 @ 9:08 am - March 22, 2010
Nearly twelve hours after I issue my challenge (a few fewer though if we account for the point initially poorly made because of my hasty writing), still no one has written in to provide examples of Mr. Frank differentiating Democrats from the hateful rhetoric spewed against George W. Bush during that Republican’s eight years in the White House.
Guess ol’ Barney really does hold Republicans to a higher standard than the one he maintains for himself.
Well, what are you talking about? What is the ‘hateful rhetoric’ that was spewed against George Bush that is tantamount to a black man being called a nigger? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say there probably isn’t anything. The things that were said about George Bush were things like ‘he’s a war criminal’ – these are accusations made on the basis of his policies, not the color of his skin.
You always set up these little posts but you’re never specific enough, and the whole set up is a ruse anyway. You can say you hate these Congressmen for passing healthcare, you can say you hope the streets run red with their blood for all I care, because that’s about policy and their actions as legislators. Calling them niggers just isn’t on the same level, and anything that was ever tossed George Bush’s way isn’t on the same level, either.
Comment by Levi — March 22, 2010 @ 9:14 am - March 22, 2010
Levi,
Let’s talk about being black, which you can not do.
An intelligent black man chooses whether to bear the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and soldier on, or to pick a battle over an outrageous sling and get mired in name-calling, charges and innuendo. A black man can not soldier on if he has played the race card. He has said: “I am not above personal pride and I take the insult as battle worthy.”
An intelligent black man carries himself with dignity and honor. If he has been racially slurred, a great injustice is demonstrated and all manner of protest arises.
However, if the black man is in the race game, he is, in fact, a professional race baiter and he had best be prepared to have his black skin become part of the game. That is not to say that racial slurs against him are justified in any way, but it is clear that he is a racist himself, so calling the race card is little more that quid pro quo.
I will be totally shocked if video proving this stuff pops up. There were cameras everywhere and the MSM is good as getting the snarky stuff on the tube ASAP. Levi, as the time goes by and no evidence appears, you are left holding the bag in the great race card snipe hunt.
You may not realize it, but being heralded as a “qualified black man” is tacit evidence that someone is amazed to find a black man who can walk upright.
Personally, I do not want any accolades, back patting, promotion, etc. from liberals who are s-o-o-o-o-o proud of me. You affirmative action people are the real bottom dwelling racists. You have to pretend that Alcee Hastings is not a low-life ghetto crook. Pity you.
Not being gay, I will let someone else chat about how Barney Frank conducts himself. But as a homophobe, I think he is a living comic book characterization of one of the gay stereotypes. I would not call him a gay slur, because he slurs himself so very adequately. He is as charming as genital warts.
Yours,
Heliotrope. I carry my own water. Now carry yours.
Comment by heliotrope — March 22, 2010 @ 10:04 am - March 22, 2010
Calling somebody a war criminal is a hate crime! Calling somebody a faggot is just a polite way of saying, “Sir, I dare say I disagree with your stand on the issues, thank you.”
Comment by Gaytriot — March 22, 2010 @ 11:56 am - March 22, 2010
Levi, simply put, did Barney Frank ever “differentiate” Democrats from the hateful anti-Bush rhetoric of that Republican’s term of office? It’s a simple question.
And given his partisanship and his eagerness to slam Republicans, we need actual evidence (not his word) of the name-calling he alleges. He is, quite simply, not a credible source.
Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — March 22, 2010 @ 2:12 pm - March 22, 2010
Let’s see Frank differentiate himself from the SEIU thugs in Missouri!
Comment by John — March 22, 2010 @ 2:15 pm - March 22, 2010
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From a comment above: What’s in store for all of the leftist, lying pieces of s*** who troll here (Levi, Tano, William, ad nauseum) is going to be a lot worse than any epithets (that in this case were NEVER uttered).
See you on the battlefield, you un-American sons of bitches. There we’ll find out what you’re made of; when you can’t wage your war on this great country with your keyboards.
Mark my words, a lot more than your feelings are going to be hurt.
There we have it. A violent, eliminationsit right-wing mentality, the kind of tea party lingo that has alienated so much of America. The analogy presented by the original poster above is false and specious. Calling Bush a war criminal, while not necessarily polite, was an expression a a frustration that has at least some grounding in reality, or at least they could be debated. Calling someone a fag or nigger is in a different sphere. It is pure inexcusable bigotry and hate speech. You can’t have a constructive dialogue about their accusations, nor are you meant to. Just as with the commenter I quoted. Hate is hate is hate. Let’s distinguish between overly passionate but valid protests and the use of racial and sexual slander.
Comment by richard — March 22, 2010 @ 3:18 pm - March 22, 2010
@Levi – keep up the maniacal pounding on that keyboard of yours. If I offered to meet you in person, just to see if you’d say the same s*** to me in person that you typed in your #19. would you take me up on it?
(Crickets chirping).
The rest of you good people here better wake up to one fact: these SOBs won’t leave the rest of us alone until a) they get everything they want, which is total control over everyone’s lives, or b) they’re pushed back with a force that they can’t get around with their standard projection, chicanery, and lying.
These rat bastards can NEVER have a ‘good, clean fight’ out in the open with rules that are fair and that both sides adhere to. ‘Fight’ in this context to connote everything from a simple debate to……well, you get the idea.
Getting into endless keyboard wars with them isn’t going to cut it.
Example: Scott Brown won a seat in the US Senate, becoming the 41st vote against this garbage, and look at the contortions (some of them unconstitutional) that they went through to have their way.
@26-
You’re partly correct. I hate assholes like you that seek to have a cradle-to-grave command and control for everyone’s lives but those of your’s and your sleazy cronies.
“Calling Bush a war criminal, while not necessarily polite, was an expression a a frustration that has at least some grounding in reality, or at least they could be debated. Calling someone a fag or nigger is in a different sphere.”
I didn’t call anyone a ‘fag’ or a ‘nigger’. Aside from the fact that the charges are baseless, and that no one has come forward with any affirmative evidence to support them, including you, I’ll say that while I don’t condone it, I support fully the right of others to say it (heard of the 1st amendment?). And never mind the endless leftist drumbeat that there is an inherent right of an individual to not be offended. It doesn’t exist.
Always with your side it’s ‘unfortunate, but understandable’, and all other speech YOU don’t like is ‘violent and hateful’, etc, etc.
And what does that inbred reasoning make you?
A f***ing hypocrite.
As to your view of my initial comment in this thread: you and your ilk don’t like being called out. It’s as simple as that.
Comment by DoctorAJ — March 22, 2010 @ 4:55 pm - March 22, 2010
richard, you claim the analogy presented by the original poster (namely me) is false and specious then go on to contend that I analogized comparing Bush a war criminal to the insults alleged hurled against Barney Frank.
That was just one of many hurled against that good man. He was called a Nazi and compared to Hitler and it was to those epithets I was referring. Using such terms is pretty hateful in my book.
And yes, let’s distinguish between being overly passionate and the use of racial and sexual slanders. We can only find corroboration for one such slur, calling Mr. Frank a faggot. Guess that’s on a par of him accusing Republicans of a psychological disorder.
Do you know of what you speak? The tea party lingo that has alienated much of America? Huh? The tea party lingo as filtered through the MSM and left-wing blogs. Please.
But, as least your comment does help make my point. You know there’s no evidence of Barney standing up to the hateful rhetoric of the anti-Bush protesters during the Bush era.
You are indeed bending over backwards to excuse left-wing hate.
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