That is easy.. Like Mr. Obama, Tano thinks the only reason why people do not like this bill is because they are too stupid to be able to understand it.
SoCalRobertsays
That – and their simple minds have been poisoned by the likes of the troublesome right wing cabal of talk show hosts, cable news, and blogs like this one.
I have to give it to you, the downward trend looks statistically significant, and I said there the beginning of April would be enough time to start drawing some preliminary conclusions. So maybe the chances of a partial or even complete repeal aren’t as remote as I thought, and I was giving chances in the 1-2% range of the individual mandate being killed all through March. Probably more like 5-10% now.
The only thing I will state is that the decline in popularity still seems within the usual variability that’s been established since late 2009 (you can see two distinct declines and recoveries very similar to the current pattern) so it’s hardly riduculous to suggest that the poll numbers could swing around again. I’ll be sure to keep an eye on the numbers in case you suddenly go silent on me. :-p
SoCalRobertsays
Serenity – as Nancy Pelosi said, we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.
Now that it’s passed, people are starting to see what’s in it. And it scares them. I don’t think most people were ready to see the flow of disclosures (Note to Waxman: required by law) from public companies stating the immediate impact on earnings and, by extension, jobs. It’s rational to assume there will be some companies that will offshore more work given the newly-added cost of each employee.
There are so many common sense reforms that could have been made – easily with little controversy.
One that just bit me and my other half is the fact that domestic partners aren’t qualified dependents under COBRA. Seeing as how the Obamaconomy has cost me my job, I’ve learned that my better half isn’t eligible for coverage. So now we’re scrambling to get him an individual policy which isn’t all that expensive but involves paperwork, waiting for underwriting, etc. Seeing as how people covered under COBRA pay the full cost of the insurance, this change would (IMHO) be uncontroversial. I don’t think it was even addressed, was it?
Another common-sense reform would have been to eliminate the mandate that “behavioral health” be covered like everything else. A lot of people are going to learn that the “didn’t seem like a biggie at the time” prescription they got for Prozac or Valium from their GP to help get over a rough patch at some point raises big red flags when it comes to shopping to individual coverage.
One that just bit me and my other half is the fact that domestic partners aren’t qualified dependents under COBRA.
That’s a good example of why the law is screwed up.
Ideally, what would have happened would be that the tax code in regards to health insurance would be rewritten to add classical dependents (children, the disabled) and then allow extension of coverage to one additional unrelated adult, which could be a spouse or domestic partner or parent.
Problem is, imputed income, which is what is charged on domestic partners and other non-dependents for the cost that the company pays for coverage, provides revenue for Obama and ObamaCare. Since it would reduce tax revenues, the Obama Party opposed it.
heliotropesays
SoCalRobert,
I hope you get your insurance problems worked out as quickly and as painlessly as possible.
The Obamacare crowd came up with a plan “out of nowhere” in less than six weeks after his inauguration. Obviously, Waxman and his merry band of socialists had been weaving their dream bill together for a very long time. The reason for all the secrecy and the no hearings or open discussions is because they were crafting a government stranglehold on health care. The devil was not in the details, because they planned to grab the system first and work out the details later. It was a typical coup d’etat strategy.
Your statement that “there are so many common sense reforms that could have been made – easily with little controversy” is true, but not germane. They were not involved in health care reform at all. You will recall that the discussion last year kept morphing and getting caught up in vague platitudes. This is because even now that the bill is passed, it is loaded with tens and tens of thousands of gaps to be filled by administrative fiat and regulatory law.
Obamacare is a Trojan Horse. The same number of people dying every day without health care before the bill was passed will be dying for more than half a decade. Of course, that is all stuff the bull leaves when he lifts his tail, but if you bought that line in supporting Obamacare, you own it after the bill was passed as well.
With any luck, the Supreme Court will knock this stinker down and by that time, the country will have studied it and know the full extent of the duplicitous and cynical game the Democrats have been playing.
Of course, the Supreme Court would all be racists if they overturn the law.
SoCalRobertsays
helio – you’re exactly right: HCR is a trojan horse hiding no end of statist “reforms”.
I respectfully submit that my statement is germane in that it suggests some simple reforms that, if they were serious about addressing medical insurance reforms, would have been no-brainers.
I don’t think I’d place too much faith in SCOTUS. I’ve read that Justice Stevens (turning 90 later this month) will announce his retirement at the end of the term. I’d bet the rent that O will nominate someone sympathetic to his policies – another “wise [fill in the blank]” so as to keep the GOP quiet to avoid charges of racism.
“Since it would reduce tax revenues, the Obama Party opposed it.”
NDT, that’s our fearless leader for you. He’ll always be the dedicated servant of the government kleptocracy.
buckeyenutloversays
LOL. Keep talking repeal; it’s another LOSER issue for your repugnants. C’mon and find a real and positive issue to solve for Americans. Oops, you can’t as the party of ‘no’ has no ideas on how to govern. That’s why Americans overwhelmingly voted out the gop in landslide victories in ’06 and ’08.
The democrats are the party of getting things done. The gop is destined to be a minority party for decades unless they come up with something positive for the American public.
The_Livewiresays
isn’t it amusing watching BNL whistling in the graveyard?
How does Governour Kaisich sound?
heliotropesays
Lugnutwheelcover never disappoints. He is so concerned for the gop becoming a minority party for decades that he is brimming over with helpful advice on how to win elections.
1.) Stay away from Obamacare. It is more popular than sliced bread and touching it will cause instant and totally permanent death.
2.) Start growing the government. People need new taxes to stimulate the economy.
3.) Go on liberal web sites and show your fanny.
4.) Eat lots of sugar, smoke weed and live in your mommy’s basement.
5.) Don’t wear your helmet when you stand up and walk.
There are other secrets for success, but trunkfriedhutliver is saving them.
Um, buckeye, why don’t you address the post to which you attach you comment. Another idea: drink your coffee before chiming in!
Gene in Pennsylvaniasays
Love the liberal Dems…..”everythings fine, Obamas polls are great….nothing has changed, ”
funny, they have no idea the outrage and the tidal wave coming.
It’s gonna be a great election. Let’s vote.
That is easy.. Like Mr. Obama, Tano thinks the only reason why people do not like this bill is because they are too stupid to be able to understand it.
That – and their simple minds have been poisoned by the likes of the troublesome right wing cabal of talk show hosts, cable news, and blogs like this one.
RACISTS!!!
Best wishes,
-SoT
I have to give it to you, the downward trend looks statistically significant, and I said there the beginning of April would be enough time to start drawing some preliminary conclusions. So maybe the chances of a partial or even complete repeal aren’t as remote as I thought, and I was giving chances in the 1-2% range of the individual mandate being killed all through March. Probably more like 5-10% now.
The only thing I will state is that the decline in popularity still seems within the usual variability that’s been established since late 2009 (you can see two distinct declines and recoveries very similar to the current pattern) so it’s hardly riduculous to suggest that the poll numbers could swing around again. I’ll be sure to keep an eye on the numbers in case you suddenly go silent on me. :-p
Serenity – as Nancy Pelosi said, we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.
Now that it’s passed, people are starting to see what’s in it. And it scares them. I don’t think most people were ready to see the flow of disclosures (Note to Waxman: required by law) from public companies stating the immediate impact on earnings and, by extension, jobs. It’s rational to assume there will be some companies that will offshore more work given the newly-added cost of each employee.
There are so many common sense reforms that could have been made – easily with little controversy.
One that just bit me and my other half is the fact that domestic partners aren’t qualified dependents under COBRA. Seeing as how the Obamaconomy has cost me my job, I’ve learned that my better half isn’t eligible for coverage. So now we’re scrambling to get him an individual policy which isn’t all that expensive but involves paperwork, waiting for underwriting, etc. Seeing as how people covered under COBRA pay the full cost of the insurance, this change would (IMHO) be uncontroversial. I don’t think it was even addressed, was it?
Another common-sense reform would have been to eliminate the mandate that “behavioral health” be covered like everything else. A lot of people are going to learn that the “didn’t seem like a biggie at the time” prescription they got for Prozac or Valium from their GP to help get over a rough patch at some point raises big red flags when it comes to shopping to individual coverage.
One that just bit me and my other half is the fact that domestic partners aren’t qualified dependents under COBRA.
That’s a good example of why the law is screwed up.
Ideally, what would have happened would be that the tax code in regards to health insurance would be rewritten to add classical dependents (children, the disabled) and then allow extension of coverage to one additional unrelated adult, which could be a spouse or domestic partner or parent.
Problem is, imputed income, which is what is charged on domestic partners and other non-dependents for the cost that the company pays for coverage, provides revenue for Obama and ObamaCare. Since it would reduce tax revenues, the Obama Party opposed it.
SoCalRobert,
I hope you get your insurance problems worked out as quickly and as painlessly as possible.
The Obamacare crowd came up with a plan “out of nowhere” in less than six weeks after his inauguration. Obviously, Waxman and his merry band of socialists had been weaving their dream bill together for a very long time. The reason for all the secrecy and the no hearings or open discussions is because they were crafting a government stranglehold on health care. The devil was not in the details, because they planned to grab the system first and work out the details later. It was a typical coup d’etat strategy.
Your statement that “there are so many common sense reforms that could have been made – easily with little controversy” is true, but not germane. They were not involved in health care reform at all. You will recall that the discussion last year kept morphing and getting caught up in vague platitudes. This is because even now that the bill is passed, it is loaded with tens and tens of thousands of gaps to be filled by administrative fiat and regulatory law.
Obamacare is a Trojan Horse. The same number of people dying every day without health care before the bill was passed will be dying for more than half a decade. Of course, that is all stuff the bull leaves when he lifts his tail, but if you bought that line in supporting Obamacare, you own it after the bill was passed as well.
With any luck, the Supreme Court will knock this stinker down and by that time, the country will have studied it and know the full extent of the duplicitous and cynical game the Democrats have been playing.
Of course, the Supreme Court would all be racists if they overturn the law.
helio – you’re exactly right: HCR is a trojan horse hiding no end of statist “reforms”.
I respectfully submit that my statement is germane in that it suggests some simple reforms that, if they were serious about addressing medical insurance reforms, would have been no-brainers.
I don’t think I’d place too much faith in SCOTUS. I’ve read that Justice Stevens (turning 90 later this month) will announce his retirement at the end of the term. I’d bet the rent that O will nominate someone sympathetic to his policies – another “wise [fill in the blank]” so as to keep the GOP quiet to avoid charges of racism.
“Since it would reduce tax revenues, the Obama Party opposed it.”
NDT, that’s our fearless leader for you. He’ll always be the dedicated servant of the government kleptocracy.
LOL. Keep talking repeal; it’s another LOSER issue for your repugnants. C’mon and find a real and positive issue to solve for Americans. Oops, you can’t as the party of ‘no’ has no ideas on how to govern. That’s why Americans overwhelmingly voted out the gop in landslide victories in ’06 and ’08.
The democrats are the party of getting things done. The gop is destined to be a minority party for decades unless they come up with something positive for the American public.
isn’t it amusing watching BNL whistling in the graveyard?
How does Governour Kaisich sound?
Lugnutwheelcover never disappoints. He is so concerned for the gop becoming a minority party for decades that he is brimming over with helpful advice on how to win elections.
1.) Stay away from Obamacare. It is more popular than sliced bread and touching it will cause instant and totally permanent death.
2.) Start growing the government. People need new taxes to stimulate the economy.
3.) Go on liberal web sites and show your fanny.
4.) Eat lots of sugar, smoke weed and live in your mommy’s basement.
5.) Don’t wear your helmet when you stand up and walk.
There are other secrets for success, but trunkfriedhutliver is saving them.
Um, buckeye, why don’t you address the post to which you attach you comment. Another idea: drink your coffee before chiming in!
Love the liberal Dems…..”everythings fine, Obamas polls are great….nothing has changed, ”
funny, they have no idea the outrage and the tidal wave coming.
It’s gonna be a great election. Let’s vote.