Tea Party More Popular Than President Obama
I post these poll data merely as fodder to ruin our liberal trolls’ evening.
On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own.
Not surprisingly, Republicans overwhelmingly feel closer to the Tea Party and most Democrats say that their views are more like Obama’s. Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.
Poll after poll shows that Independent voters have fled Obama and are not coming back. This is a fact. Not a conspiracy theory about BushHalliburtonCheneyRove.
Facts are stubborn things. Liberals should study facts more, not create their own realities.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
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We’ll see how those numbers hold up in November or 2012 when actual people have to be rated instead of “not Obama”.
Though, given the current presidential trajectory, the right might be able to put up sock puppets and win in a landslide.
Comment by DoDoGuRu — April 5, 2010 @ 8:06 pm - April 5, 2010
GayPatriot » Tea Party More Popular Than President Obama…
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Trackback by PunditKix — April 5, 2010 @ 8:40 pm - April 5, 2010
They’ll hold up in November. Depends on who the GOP has as a candidate in 2012
Comment by PatriotMom — April 5, 2010 @ 8:45 pm - April 5, 2010
And he may only be a one term wonder – we could only hope.
Comment by PatriotMom — April 5, 2010 @ 8:45 pm - April 5, 2010
I was going to say pretty much what DoDoGuRu said. Usually these numbers are posted with a “if current trends continue” caveat, which is a pretty big one given the time between now and 2012.
Of course the numbers are not entirely meaningless, President Obama’s popularity will probably be a big factor in the outcome of marginal House and Senate races in November. But even a clobbering there does not mean that Obama himself is finished (Hint, hint: 1994).
Comment by Serenity — April 5, 2010 @ 8:47 pm - April 5, 2010
Thanks for thinking of us, doll. But it’s awfully sad and telling that you actually stoop to baiting “liberal trolls” – I guess readership’s pretty low if you’re not stoking controversy, huh?
Anyway, I’m bored, so I’ll take the bait. But listen: when it comes to facts, we have a million places more reliable than this cesspool of inanity you call a blog. As for polling whose data one can construe to reach whichever conclusion suits your fancy, I prefer this, which says that most Americans view tea partiers as favorably as they do socialism:
Okay, now bring on the mouth-breathers!
Comment by william — April 5, 2010 @ 9:32 pm - April 5, 2010
ThinkProgress is about as reliable of a source as a 9-11 Troofer website.
Move on….
Comment by GayPatriot — April 5, 2010 @ 9:45 pm - April 5, 2010
Or, in other words, slightly more reliable than this blog?
But seriously, they cite a Gallup poll and directly post the results. If you’ve got a beef, then it’s with Gallup and not Think Progress. So, how about a substantive response?
Comment by Serenity — April 5, 2010 @ 9:53 pm - April 5, 2010
But seriously, they cite a Gallup poll and directly post the results. If you’ve got a beef, then it’s with Gallup and not Think Progress. So, how about a substantive response?
Actually, no.
You see, that is not a Gallup poll; it is actually two separate polls taken at different times with different samples asking different questions.
Gallup did not try to claim that the results were the same. However, what ThinkProgress did was to take these two polls — with different sample groups, unequal sample sizes, unmatched distributions, and separate question sets conducted several months apart from each other — and then claim that the results on wholly-unrelated questions from these two vastly-different samples were exactly the same. They are, out of either abject ignorance or deliberate action, misusing disparate statistics in a wholly-unscientific fashion to push an ideological point.
From a scientific and statistical standpoint, that IS about as reliable as a 9/11 Troofer website. That fact was patently obvious to anyone with some minor degree of intelligence and an ability to see past Obama talking points.
GP’s mistake was assuming that you had either.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 5, 2010 @ 10:35 pm - April 5, 2010
DAAAAAMMMMMNNNN!!!! Nice stats NDT!!!
Comment by BC — April 5, 2010 @ 11:05 pm - April 5, 2010
Yeah, but Americans voted for Bush twice, which means they aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer. They willingly selected a party which screwed your nation, killing the middle class, getting you into two wars, presiding over the worst terrorist attack in your country’s history, and eroding liberties right, left and centre.
What kills me is how the teaparty twits didn’t get upset when Bush was running up the deficits during boom times. And you… what the shit? Conservatives hate you. Or at least want to “cure” you. Why throw your lot in with them?
Comment by John — April 6, 2010 @ 12:37 am - April 6, 2010
Some other facts about the polls that the Ministry of Truth neglected to mention:
A large majority of Americans, 58 percent, DISAPPROVE of socialism, while only a minority of Americans 40%, little more than the rabid, mindless base of the socialist Democrat party disapprove of the Tea Party.
The idiots who actually approve of socialism are generally young ignorant twerps who know nothing, own nothing, have no responsibility, own no property, no experience, pay no taxes, dont remember the disastrous Carter administration, are wards of the state, and basically dont know squat about squat.
By contrast, the people who are in or approve of the Tea Party are slightly older than the general population, have jobs, families, pay taxes, have been around the block and actually know something about how the real world works.
Comment by American Elephant — April 6, 2010 @ 12:38 am - April 6, 2010
#11: “Why throw your lot in with them?”
So that we can enjoy reading the tired, irrelevant hysterics of insufferable Euro-twits given to indignant lectures about our poor choices in political leaders, pointless wars, killing the middle class, and eroding liberties.
Remind me John, if I’m in the UK and feel like practicing a little polygamy, can three of my wives collect welfare checks from the crown, or is it up to four now?
Comment by Sean A — April 6, 2010 @ 1:55 am - April 6, 2010
What kills me is how the teaparty twits didn’t get upset when Bush was running up the deficits during boom times.
“Running up”, of course, meaning “making smaller”.
The deficit for the first four months of the current budget year is down sharply from the same period a year ago as the government continues to benefit from record levels of tax collections.
The Treasury Department reported Monday that the deficit for the budget year that began Oct. 1 totals $42.2 billion, down 57.2% from the same period a year ago.
The amount of revenues collected from October through January were up 9.7% from the same period a year ago, climbing to a record level for the period of $834.1 billion……
The continued strong growth in revenues reflects the record profits corporations have been recording in recent years and low levels of unemployment, which means more Americans are working and paying taxes.
For the full year, the Congressional Budget Office is forecasting that the budget deficit will shrink to around $200 billion. The deficit for the 2006 budget year, which ended last Sept. 30, was $247.7 billion, the lowest in four years.
Meanwhile, what did Obama manage?
If Congress goes along with Obama’s election-year plan, the nation would still end the year with unemployment pushing double digits at 9.8 percent and this year’s pool of government red ink deepening to $1.56 trillion under the administration’s accounting.
By the way, $1.56 trillion is approximately SIX TIMES the $247 billion deficit under Bush.
Now, John, not that we expect an answer, given that liberal trolls like yourself run off screaming like stuck pigs when confronted with facts, but can you explain the logic behind your whining about a $247 billion dollar deficit when you support and endorse a deficit six times larger?
Answer: Because, given that you are a racist and Jew-hater, Obama’s black skin and hatred of Jews makes him immune to criticism in your eyes, while Bush, being white and against genocide of Jews, never did anything right in your perspective.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 6, 2010 @ 2:13 am - April 6, 2010
Which doesn’t say much about the liberal douches of Palm Beach County who couldn’t figure out a simple ballot like the rest of the state.
Which doesn’t say much for Barry Sotero who’s putting the middle class on welfare.
In addition to what NDT said, when you look at the national debt, it went up 53% while between 20 January 2001 and 20 January 2009. Since then, through 1 April, it’s already up 83%. Folks did notice and folks did complain, however, when spending really skyrocketed, they started to make their voices heard.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 5:36 am - April 6, 2010
I love, love, LOVE the “you didn’t complain under Bush” argument. It’s so preposterous that you just have to laugh.
1) People did complain: constantly.
2) If they didn’t complain as loudly, it’s because of sheer scale. If I only grumble that Bush lit a cigarette in my house, am I a hypocrite for screaming when Obama sets lights couch on fire? Or if I hiss when Bush punches me in the arm, am I a hypocrite for screaming when Obama runs me over with his car? It’s called SCALE guys: spending more Chinese money in 1 year than Bush did in 8 is kind of a big deal.
Comment by DoDoGuRu — April 6, 2010 @ 8:12 am - April 6, 2010
Think of it this way.
All of the spending Bush did in 8 years, Obama has distilled into 1. Likewise, all the complaining we did about Bush over that 8 years has been distilled into 1. Voila!
Comment by DoDoGuRu — April 6, 2010 @ 8:15 am - April 6, 2010
The imponderable “wisdom” of those who know for certain how to engineer society into a Shangri La of equality, comfort and ease.
Comment by heliotrope — April 6, 2010 @ 8:58 am - April 6, 2010
I bet those miners in WV are looking forward to even less regulation from the federal government. Lord knows, their companies are looking out for their best interests and could do better if the government would just get off their back with their silly regulations. Why can’t the government just get out of the mining business?!?
Comment by Ashpenaz — April 6, 2010 @ 11:36 am - April 6, 2010
Most people are mourning the dead and praying for the missing. Those men are all fathers or sons or husbands.
ashpenaz is just upset there’s 25 less people to pay for his health care. Though he rejoices at the chance to use their deaths for non-sequetors.
Comment by The_Livewire — April 6, 2010 @ 12:41 pm - April 6, 2010
You beat me to it. Leave it to a liberal asshole to joke about such a thing.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 1:10 pm - April 6, 2010
Obamas regime has been in power for more than 14 months and still miners are dying. Shame Mr President.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 6, 2010 @ 1:13 pm - April 6, 2010
I guess we can say that Obama has presided over the worst mining accident since 1984 (according to the USMRA).
Right, OtherJohn?
-john
Comment by John — April 6, 2010 @ 1:23 pm - April 6, 2010
Ooops! Another disaster! Time for another lavish WH dinner party or fundraiser while Americans die.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 3:14 pm - April 6, 2010
Few people move to coal regions to become a coal miner. Never, ever has it been other than low paying, dirty and dangerous work.
Ashpenaz bluffs his way past Christian love and uses tragedy to lob political cheap shots.
Let it be understood that mining coal, breathing coal dust, transporting coal, cleaning coal bunkers, etc. is dangerous and sometimes deadly work. Coal is an incredibly important product. Even the Obamessiah can not change the realities of obtaining coal or minimize its importance to modern civilization.
Comment by heliotrope — April 6, 2010 @ 3:19 pm - April 6, 2010
I did consider whether it would be appropriate to use this tragedy as an illustration of how important it is to have the government regulate business because capitalists, such as ILC, will do anything for a profit, including skimping on safety. I am sure we will find that the company wanted to increase their profits by trying to get around some safety regulation the government put in place. The government does have a place in regulating business, and since I’ve already started, this disaster shows how important it is to have government oversight. I’m sure the health insurance companies of the survivors are looking for preexisting conditions so they don’t have to treat anyone.
Comment by Ashpenaz — April 6, 2010 @ 3:37 pm - April 6, 2010
That is pure idiocy.
Miners cut the tunnels. Miners shore up the walls and ceilings. Miners search for deadly gas. Miners place the explosives. Miners haul the coal out. How can you possibly think that they are complicit with profit grubbing capitalist owners in scrimping on their own safety.
No capitalist enterprise is structured on walking over the bodies of injured or dead workers. You argue:
You are making a statement that goes straight to motive. You are so prejudiced, that you can not comprehend the possibilities short of evil intent.
The miner’s union, the mine owners, the state, the insurance companies and the Feds all inspect the mines regularly. Citations are written for violations, safety concerns and non compliance. There is a world of regulation and it all costs the owners a bundle. If you think boring into the pocket where the missing miners are located is cheap or good publicity, you are out of your mind.
Out of the thousands of operating coal mines in this country, how many of these tragedies do we encounter and how many owners are caught refusing to spend millions and millions to effect a rescue.
Grow up. Dangerous work and dangerous work environments exist. Show me how this type of work of mining going back a thousand years was significantly more deadly before a world of regulation befell it. Gas filled, flooding, collapsing mines don’t produce. No product, no profit.
No conservative is opposed to regulation. We always need guardrails in our production and sales transactions. But we have reached an Alice in Wonderland World where fat people have to have a warning not to stand on the top of a step ladder that is wobbling on uneven ground as they stretch up to stick their finger in a light socket to see if it is live.
Please do not take your fired up jumbo flat screen TV into the shower with you. And do not tear the tag off your mattress.
What a strange view you have of business, production and profit.
Comment by heliotrope — April 6, 2010 @ 4:17 pm - April 6, 2010
“No conservative is opposed to regulation.”
What? Excuse me? I must be reading those picket signs wrong.
If regulation is OK in principle, why is regulation of health insurance any different than regulation of job safety?
Comment by Ashpenaz — April 6, 2010 @ 4:39 pm - April 6, 2010
The mining industry is heavily regulated by the Feds, the states, and the unions, but still there was this tragedy. In the financial crises, the banks were the most regulated entities, and they failed the biggest. Hedge funds are almost not regulated, and they weren’t a problem. Regulated doesn’t necessarily mean better. Mining is a dirty, dangerous business and it’s not ever going to completely safe.
Comment by Hunter — April 6, 2010 @ 5:16 pm - April 6, 2010
Both cost an ass load of money and result in lost productivity sitting through hours of tedious lectures about things that don’t apply to you.
When I worked at a nearby phosphate plant, I was required by law to attend driver safety classes, even though I wasn’t driving through the plant. Had to take Haz-Mat, even though the trucks were carrying water. Had to take confined space entry safety, even though the most confined space I entered was the bathroom stall. Had to take MSHA, even though I never went anywhere near the pits. Even had to take MARSEC training, even though we’re 30 minutes from the ocean.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 5:33 pm - April 6, 2010
When it’s obvious that the “regulation” is geared to running a company out of business so that government can take over and “eliminate the middleman,” as it is in the health insurance business, then “regulation” becomes “over-regulation”–or worse. Demanding that health insurance companies ignore pre-existing conditions AND demanding that they not raise their rates is a recipe for their failure.
One problem with the Massachusetts universal coverage system is that some people are buying health insurance when they know there are expensive procedures coming immediately. After the procedures, these people drop their insurance. Why not, they can pick it up later if need be.
One problem with federal regulation in general is that it gives the ILLUSION that the worker or investor or consumer is actually protected.
One problem with congressional regulation of the banks was that Congress demanded that the banks ignore prudent lending practices. When the banks finally began failing (long after regulators warned Congress and were rudely and viciously rebuffed), congressional Democrats blamed “deregulation” and took NO blame for the mess (although, as the mortgage crisis exploded, Barney Frank was heard to piously proclaim, “Some people SHOULD rent”, totally forgetting his previous “poor people have a right to own a home,” and hoping we’d forget it, too).
Comment by Polly — April 6, 2010 @ 5:35 pm - April 6, 2010
Oh, and the three guys who died while I was working there, I wasn’t given any safety training on what they were doing.
Hey ASS, how’s that nanny state working for the ChiComm miners?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 5:41 pm - April 6, 2010
“One problem with federal regulation in general is that it gives the ILLUSION that the worker or investor or consumer is actually protected.”
that’s actually a good point. So…what if the safety regs were fully followed, but following those regs actually created the conditions leading to the accident?
-john
Comment by John — April 6, 2010 @ 6:05 pm - April 6, 2010
Guys: Ashpenaz has the politics of a modern-day fascist. He believes good things come from the State and he supports its expansion. Whatever he may believe of himself, whatever else he may claim himself to be, the policies he supports are in fact against human freedom, and it does not bother him that they are. So don’t waste your breath.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 6, 2010 @ 6:26 pm - April 6, 2010
Only an ignoramus and/or a crypto-fascist would try to claim something so profoundly idiotic.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 6, 2010 @ 6:28 pm - April 6, 2010
“Against human freedom.” And puppies. I hate puppies.
Comment by Ashpenaz — April 6, 2010 @ 6:30 pm - April 6, 2010
See? You think human freedom is a joke, just like you think the lives of miners are a joke.
So thank you for making my point, and I hope you are enjoying the attention (from your thread-jacking) while it lasts.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 6, 2010 @ 6:36 pm - April 6, 2010
Too bad I didn’t get forklift certified. I could get a job driving the Hyster ObamaCareless will buy for fat ASS.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 6:42 pm - April 6, 2010
The nucleus of that concept is dumber than a brick.
The health insurance industry is heavily regulated. What do you think the state insurance commission is there for?
To infer that if some regulation is OK then a lot of regulation is also OK is just dense. To infer that if some regulation is good then a lot of regulation is terrific is beyond dense.
I don’t want roads without traffic rules. I don’t want to fly on planes with pilots who are not certified or on planes that are not maintained. I don’t want to eat in restaurants where typhoid Mary is coughing up a lung in the kitchen.
But, down the road, I ran into this miracle of government: A man was shoving his turkeys into the decapitation machine where other turkeys could see what he was doing. He had to go hide his turkey killing from where any turkey might see the killing.
I wonder if fish who throw the hook shouldn’t get free health care and psychological treatment.
I’m glad we could have this little talk. Liberals really do need to be taken by the hand and led to simple concepts that don’t penetrate their prejudices without being pounded home.
Comment by heliotrope — April 6, 2010 @ 6:48 pm - April 6, 2010
#38 ILC: Does the Scooter Store have the Hyster model? Hopefully it comes in candy apple red with chrome lift arms and spinner hubs on the wheels. It might even run off methane from the load it totes.
Comment by heliotrope — April 6, 2010 @ 6:52 pm - April 6, 2010
Just to highlight the argument structure, i.e. the stupidity.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 6, 2010 @ 7:13 pm - April 6, 2010
*Ahem*
If they don’t, all one has to do is demand one and Il Douche will force them to make one post haste.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 6, 2010 @ 7:24 pm - April 6, 2010
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I’d point out the mine/miner’s/owners/operators were all “under government regulation” when this occurred; lots of it, likely too much of it. What is typically needed where regulation is present or abounds, is ENFORCEMENT.
When “irregularities” were found in Fannie, Freddie, bank after bank, etc, and shown BY REGULATORS to the Congress, they were ‘pooh-poohed’ and admonished not to “scare the public” with “slander against wonderful, working institutions.”
Barney Frank and Chris Dodd took a lead in this, too.
So, it is not regulation per say or even too much or too little regulation; it’s enforcing what you have in place to begin with, using the information the regulation provides and acting on it.
Why do we need laws making it “more illegal” to sell drugs within 1000 feet of a church when selling drugs is ILLEGAL?
Enforcement…like putting troops or reserves on our borders, not ‘enhancing comprehensive immigration regulations’.
But, I digress…
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