There is no denying this fact: After 9/11/2001 up until the day President George W. Bush left office, there was no successful effort or attempt to attack the United States homeland by Islamic terrorists. Yet since Jan. 20, 2009 — there have been MULTIPLE successful Islamic terror attacks.
Here they are — the ones we know of:
6/1/2009 Little Rock, AR: A Muslim with ‘religious motives’ shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center. (1 killed, 1 injured)
11/5/2009 Ft. Hood, TX: A Muslim psychiatrist and Army captain guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah. (13 killed, 31 injured)
12/25/2009 Detriot, MI: An Nigerian Muslim man attempted to ignite an explosive device on a Northwest Airlines Flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. The would-be terrorist was subdued by passengers and crew. (No death, minor injuries)
It is critical to note, that the Ft. Hood and Christmas Day bombings are linked through Al-Qaeda in Yemen and through Anwar Awalkai, an Islamic cleric and spiritual advisor to a number of the 9/11 plotters.
Today, the White House admitted that the weekend near disaster in Times Square is another part of the post-Bush terror pattern.
The failed car bombing in Times Square increasingly appears to have been coordinated by more than one person in a plot with international links, Obama administration officials said Tuesday. Another U.S. official, recounting a conversation with intelligence officials, said: “Don’t be surprised if you find a foreign nexus. . . . They’re looking at some telltale signs and they’re saying it’s pointing in that direction.”
If you think strategically (as you should) and realize that Afghanistan and Iraq are part of the Global War on Islamic Terror, then 2009-10 are not good ones for President Obama on those fronts. US casualties are up in both war zones since President Bush left office and AQ has become increasingly brazen in their attacks on civilians and military targets alike in both countries.
Now the question is “why”? The answer is obvious. Our enemies (not just Al Qaeda) see President Obama as weak and they are trying to test him repeatedly to see how (or if) he responds. So far, his response is eerily similar to the quid pro quo missile attacks of the Clinton era. We know what that led to.
The more scary thought is how Obama’s weakness is being exploited by rogue nations. Iran has become increasingly defiant. And now the FOREIGN media has reported this gem over the past few days (Katie Couric, where are youuuuu?)
A grim report circulating in the Kremlin today written by Russia’s Northern Fleet is reporting that the United States has ordered a complete media blackout over North Korea’s torpedoing of the giant Deepwater Horizon oil platform owned by the World’s largest offshore drilling contractor Transocean that was built and financed by South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. Ltd., that has caused great loss of life, untold billions in economic damage to the South Korean economy, and an environmental catastrophe to the United States.
This definitely feels like a much dangerous world since Bush and VP Cheney left Washington.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
I kept a small list, but I haven’t updated since Mar. Includes arrests and foiled attempts
May: 4 Muslims Arrested in Plot to Bomb NY Synagogues
June: Terrorist attack at Army recruiting center in Little Rock, one dead
Aug: Brooklyn man arrested overseas, went to join AQ and fight US
Sept: Zazi et al arrested in Denver w/ bomb materials, connections to AQ
Sept: Muslim man arrested trying to bomb Federal Courthouse in Illinois
Sept: Man places “bomb” obtained from covert FBI at Dallas skyscraper
Oct: Pharmacist near Boston arrested, sought training in Yemen, Pakistan
Oct: 2 Chicago Muslims arrested for plot to kill over Danish mo cartoons
Nov: Maj. Hasan opens fire and kills several at Ft. Hood, TX
Dec: Christmas Day attempted bombing of plane landing in Detroit
Dec: Also Christmas Day, man in Memphis threatens to blow up 8 businesses
Dec: Man taken off Detroit-bound flight yelling about killing the Jews.
Jan: Va. Muslim found in NJ hotel room with weapons, map of military base
Feb: Reported that 5 Arabic translators in the US Army were arrested prior to Christmas plotting to poison food supply at Fort Jackson.
Feb: 3 Miami men working with Hezb’allah http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/02/19/charges-for-florida-men-tied-to-hezbollah/
Mar. Man flies into Dallas office building, leaves note quoting Communist Manifesto
Mar: PA woman charged with recruiting for jihad.
Bruce,
I do not take exception to this, but I have another point of view:
I think that plenty of attempts were made during the Bush years, but they were foiled and kept quiet. I also think that the Obama people have telegraphed all the wrong messages and the two military related events were the result of emboldened Muslims. The Fruit of Kaboom bomber (failure) could very well have happened during the Bush years. We must depend upon our ties overseas to stop such incidents.
We are also moving rapidly toward a decade of success on further massive attacks. Obama has the Oval Office and he is the guy holding down the fort. Hopefully, he can come up with the determination to keep America safe. That is not a matter of community organizing or teleprompter recitals of self promotion.
Helio – my limited faith in Obama’s desire and ability to stop Islamic terrorism has faded.
I know Obama has had more rounds of golf than Bush 43 did in his entire 8 years. I also know that the entertaining at the White House has ramped up as well. I know Barack and Michelle enjoy the benefits of the Presidency as any rich couple would. But dining and laughing and partying while bombs are smoking and oil slicks approach the gulf coast is a bit much even for a liberal leftist Presidency.
Don’t his people at least realize how this appears?
And saying his folks responded on “day one” is just a lie.
The times square bomber…..I’m sure our young President will also say
“he won’t rest until he gets to the bottom of the attemped slaughter of New Yorkers.”
Just like he wouldn’t rest until he figured out the failures of the Christmas Day bomber or the Ft Hood masacre and how that was allowed to happen.
It seems like our President is doing a lot of golfing and partying whilst he “isn’t resting trying to” figure out these hard, real life attacks.
As for British Petroleum and Transocean being held entirely responsible financially by the Obama regime, the law says that they are ONLY RESPONSIBLE for the first $750-million-dollars of clean-up expenses and compensatory and punitive damages….another convenient Obama lie. The Federal government and the US taxpayers are on-the-hook for the any outstanding balances.
How…INCONVENIENT.
I find this rhetoric pretty funny, considering the defense of Mr. Bush that was used over the years was that he didn’t have to be in the location to be president given the ability of technology to get information.
The difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama does actually take his job seriously, has shown leadership when and where it’s needed/required since he became president. There’s no question that he’s actively engaged with what’s going on.
For example: The Christmas day attempted bombing – all passengers were safe, passengers subdued the attempted bomber and he was taken into custody. As I recall, there was no need for the president to show up to to show sympathy for victims.
In contrast, look at a situation like Katrina (and let’s even take as true Laura Bush’s assertion that Bush didn’t land so as not to get in the way): He gave full support to an incompetent man who had no idea to work with/handle disasters, showed no concern to those affected most by it and in a grand touch of arrogance, his biggest show of sympathy was only towards a fellow millionaire (Trent Lott) who lost his million dollar home.
There’s a huge difference between putting on the face of leader and actually being a leader.
[Citation Needed]
How much time has he spent on the golf course this year?
Hey, at least he showed up unlike James Lee Whitt who waited three weeks.
Or at least the biggest show of sympathy that a lying sack of shit “saw”. Even the liberals media has evidence to the contrary.
Kevin, you are hopelessly deluded. Just because you’re dumb enough to follow a lying, incompetent sack of shit doesn’t make him a leader. Jim Jones and the Pied Piper had formidable conga lines too.
Folks are drowning in Tennessee. No sign of Il Douche.
Folks drowned in Connecticut. Il Douche went to two fundraisers and the FEMA director went to Orlando.
Il Douche’s presidency, if you can call it that, was almost blown to hell on Christmas Day, but a family friend who had a surfing accident was the only thing that got him off the golf course.
Folks in Tennessee and Kentucky were freezing to death while Il Douche was partying hardy at the WH.
Can we infer that Il Douche would throw him under the bus and run him over immediately?
It was on this trip that Bush made his infamous ‘Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job!’ comment about FEMA director Mike Brown. Bush’s comment about Brown is well-known. What is almost never aired are (AL. Gov. Bob) Riley’s and (MS. Gov. Haley) Barbour’s remarks immediately preceding Bush’s. Both governors complimented Brown, with Riley saying “I want to thank Mike Brown and his staff. FEMA has absolutely been great.” Barbour followed by saying, “I want to join with Bob. The federal government is great–FEMA and all of your people who are on the ground.” Bush was responding to compliments others had offered to Brown and attempting to buck up the spirits of a man who was under siege. That, rather than piling on, is a Bush instinct. Brown was soon relieved of his duties–but the president was not going to denounce him in public.
In Brown’s defense, FEMA did right by Alabama and Mississippi. Both had well-organized state emergency efforts that worked seamlessly with the agency, other federal departments, and local governments. That was not the case with Louisiana; the state was dysfunctional, as every after-action analysis of Katrina has shown. FEMA’s structures and procedures simply could not make up for the inability of local and state governments to execute basic functions.
From Chapter 29 of Courage and Consequence by Karl Rove.
And it seems to me that if Bush gave “full support” to Brown, he would have kept his job, no?
Now the question is “why”? The answer is obvious. Our enemies (not just Al Qaeda) see President Obama as weak and they are trying to test him repeatedly to see how (or if) he responds.
You’re going to have to explain that in a little more depth, because that answer is anything but obvious. There’s absolutely no evidence anywhere on earth for you to conclude that the terrorists think Obama is weak and are therefore testing him, so how are you arriving at this obvious answer?
It’s because conservatives are desperate to construct their own realities and pull ridiculous stuff like this out of nowhere. The notion that Obama is weak so the terrorists are attacking, and the implied notion that Bush is strong and so the terrorists were too scared to attack, is just another ridiculous piece of myth-making spouted off during any typical Limbaugh/O’Reilly/Beck/Palin rant. You only believe it because it’s the easiest thing in the world to believe – it has nothing to do with the real problem of terrorism in the world.
Wasn’t the whole idea of invading Iraq and Afghanistan so that we could ‘fight them over there and not over here?’ Why isn’t that working? That’s something that never made sense and was habitually used as a justification for our presence over there, so what gives? Especially considering that Obama has continued our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess this is where all those hysterics about Obama bowing to foreign leaders factors in, right?
There is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why we are seeing a rise in terrorist activity on American soil and it has nothing to do with Obama. Frankly the people (mostly) who have committed these acts were home-grown terrorists…notice the word ‘grown’. Meaning, it takes time for unstable Americans to decide, then find, then communicate, then train, then attack under the guise of terrorism. The longer the war goes on, the more homegrown terrorists we will see. That is just a fact and has nothing to do with who is in office.
Knowing these patriarchal crazies over there, had we elected an old man and a woman to lead this nation, they would have definitely seen that as a sign of weakness in our country.
We have a strong black man to lead us now and he is doing a wonderful job. Bush was at his Texas ranch every other month on ‘vacation’ during his presidency. Barack does do a lot of entertaining but in case you missed this lesson in politics, who you know and count as a friend makes a big difference in politics. Barack is doing what he does best, building bridges, amassing allies, forming coalitions, creating a powerhouse of his own to fight the special interests and big corporations. Instead of commanding from on high (or letting the VP do it) he invites them to dinner and has a man to man talk with them.
He’s brilliant, make no mistake about it.
Makes a helluva lot more sense than the Rectal-Cranial Inversion idea that if we pretend to get rid of nuclear weapons, the lib’s buddy in Iran hell bent on destroying Israel and facilitating the return of the 12th Imam will suddenly see the light and give up his nuclear ambitions.
Bowing to foreign leaders, Mirandizing terrorists, refusing to call the War on Terrorism what it is, trying to put enemy combatants on trial in NYC, routinely trashing the United States and her citizens, cozying up to thugs like Chavez, trying to keep a dictator in power in Honduras, giving the American people the finger on a regular basis, felching Vlad Putin etc. etc. etc.
Soooo…..we should start seeing him lead any day now?
Racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, terrorists etc.
Building bridges with whom? Amassing allies with whom? Forming coalitions with whom? Creating a powerhouse of his own with whom? How do you win friends and influence people by giving them shitty gifts, starting trade wars or giving them the finger?
Oh and I missed the part where “special interests and big corporations” attacked the United States and killed thousands of people. Could you help explain that?
Correction. He’s black.
That’s really the only thing Obama is in any way competent at being. But then again, he’s in the Obama Party; skin color and minority status outweigh competence or character there.
Good thing for Obama that he isn’t white; he would never be able to meet the standards that are expected of white presidents. Fortunately, he’s black, so after years of liberal racism, they are convinced that all he has to do is to speak without a “Negro dialect” and he’s a genius.
The only good thing about the Obama administration is that more and more Americans are realizing that liberalism is all about your skin color and minority status, not about your character, contribution to society, or attributes. They are realizing that liberals like Obama truly do believe that their skin color and minority status entitle them to special treatment.
Unless, of course, the screwing around story is true.
Oh I get it. You win friends and influence people by threatening to kill the Jonas Bros. or, at the least, suggesting they’d be inclined to get “ideas” about his daughters.
HAR!HAR!HAR!!! Good one, sir. Carter’s legacy is being saved in real time.
This is for Ted B – what was that about Obama lying about making BP pay for this?
A trio of Democratic Senators are introducing legislation on Monday that would dramatically raise the amount of money that oil companies like BP would have to pay in economic damages in an event of a spill.
Authored by New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez, and co-signed by fellow Garden Stater
Sen. Frank Lautenberg and Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, the (craftily-titled) “Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act” would raise the economic damages liability cap for offshore oil spills from $75 million to $10 billion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/robert-menendez-pushes-bi_n_561011.html
#22: American Shepard apparently couldn’t resist sprinting directly toward a 12-foot, full-throttle propeller. I’m too tired to shoot down the 16-17 bullshit cliches he managed to string together in his liberal tizzy (Bush is a dumb-dumb, Obama is scrutinized and criticized on a daily basis, minorities do the jobs that rich white people won’t do, everything white men think, say, and do stems from a paralyzing fear that there are too many people in this country with more melanin in their skin than they have,…etc., etc., etc…)
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………….
That is what liberals COUNT ON and have put into place. It was called “The Great Society” and “War on Poverty”.
And the liberals are hell bent to bus in Undocumented Democrats from Mexico to take all those jobs away.
Week 1:
Smear those eeeeevil Arizona Republicans as racist Nazis for demanding to see people’s “papers”.
Week 2:
Submit legislation requiring Americans get “Biometric ID” and give it a dumbass name like BELIEVE.
Ah it’s so nice to have a fresh troll.
“We have a strong black President.”
I understand sheppard’s confusion, we don’t judge him by the colour of his skin, just the lack of character. His past associations with terrorists, racists, communists, truthers…
I’m assuming ‘strong’ refers to his physique, since he’s not shown any strength in standing with allies, or standing up to enemies. Unless you count Fox News and the American people as enemies.
Sheppard then accuses ND20 of being racist, amusingly showing his own hatred and stereotyping of whites in the process. “turn our noses up at” “spoiled white kids” etc,
Funny, I can watch Deadliest Catch and Dirty Jobs and prove him wrong in two hours of television.
He then reveals his fear of the minorities he appears to laud. “the next wave of white workers are very ill-prepared for what life is really like out here”
So he’s afraid all those hard working ethical minorities are going to take their revenge on whitey. Sheppard, I didn’t know you were so terrified of people based on their skin colour.
The arrogance and sheer elitism of this statement is precisely why I became on Objectivist…
I’ve never questioned that every individual, on occasion, reacts and speaks out of emotion, and hence hits “send” when perhaps they should’ve taken a few seconds to seriously consider what they’re about to say to the world. However, the sentiment that humanity consists of nothing but evolved beasts in need of a sound master and a little discipline is perhaps the most abhorrent and offensive meme to be found among the American left.
With all due respect, Mr. Shepard, kindly sod off.
#2 Heliotrope,
I know of at least one bomb scare that was never publicly followed up on, so I’m prone to agree. This tells me of three posibilities.
1) The Administration thinks that these public ‘successes’ make them look credible on terror.
2) The Administration doesn’t realize that covering up might be in their best interest
3) These couldn’t be covered up because they weren’t stopped.
I lean towards number 3. Look at the spinning on the Ft. Hood terror attack.
Bowing to foreign leaders, Mirandizing terrorists, refusing to call the War on Terrorism what it is, trying to put enemy combatants on trial in NYC, routinely trashing the United States and her citizens, cozying up to thugs like Chavez, trying to keep a dictator in power in Honduras, giving the American people the finger on a regular basis, felching Vlad Putin etc. etc. etc.
So, just to be clear here; you’re saying there is a causal relationship between those things and more terrorist attacks. Like there are terrorists in the world that are monitoring American blogs written English and getting all excited to attack the United States because they saw a picture of Obama bending his neck slightly in the general direction of some foreign dignitary… “Oh yes, everyone look at this!” some terrorist exclaims. “Obama bowed to this guy! It means he is weak, and now is the perfect time to attack! George Bush doing the sword dance was totally different!”
There just is no helping someone that believes such nonsense, you really have the mind of a child if you believe that this is how the world works. In addition to a bunch of other nonsense, to believe garbage like this, you have to believe that terrorists are plugged into the same media and are getting the same kinds of news as you. Are you really so stupid to think that’s the case? If you were to round up 100 Islamists from the Middle East and give them a news quiz on the items you’re complaining about, do you think any of them would have any idea what you’re talking about? Do you think that on their list of grievances, Mirandizing or not Mirandizing people would register at all?
Levi really enjoys arguing from absurdity doesn’t he?
Apparently the terrorists only have access to media he controls, since only things like Guantanamo and Abu Grahb (and only the propoganda about Guantanamo) get out to the terrrorists to be recruiting material.
But somehow, international coverage of the administration turning its back on our allies, endorsing Fascists and confirming that ‘human rights don’t matter’ never reaches to AQ heads or to propoganda videos.
Of course Levi also believes that luck is part of a national defense program.
Oh I know, Levi doesn’t believe brown people can handle democracy, so maybe they can’t handle computers or televisions either.
Apparently the terrorists only have access to media he controls, since only things like Guantanamo and Abu Grahb (and only the propoganda about Guantanamo) get out to the terrrorists to be recruiting material.
I think I might understand why you’d see the value in such an infantile argument, but you’re wrong as ever. Of course Muslim extremists, who are attempting to overthrow American global dominance in part by arguing that we are brutally torturing and killing Muslims, are going to know about Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo – these are things that directly support their argument and were heavily discussed in international press. On the other hand, do you really think they give a damn about bowing anywhere outside the conservative parts o the US? You’re being ridiculous.
But somehow, international coverage of the administration turning its back on our allies, endorsing Fascists and confirming that ‘human rights don’t matter’ never reaches to AQ heads or to propoganda videos.
What international coverage? Again, what evidence do you have to that leads you to believe that the terrorists think Obama is weak? You might have think that based on the media that you consume, but conservative media has virtually no audience outside of the United States, principally because its propaganda tailored specifically to placating your childish political demands, but that’s another issue.
What you and other conservatives are claiming is the ability to know what terrorists are thinking, and I don’t think it’s too much to ask you for your reasoning there. This would be a very valuable skill to be able to divine the innermost thoughts of our adversaries, so what gives you the impression that they think specifically that Obama is weak? Again, asserting with no proof that the terrorists think Obama is weak is any easy way to validate all of your political beliefs, but validating political beliefs is no the meaning of truth. I don’t need to hear it from the GayPatriots or from Rush Limbaugh or from Glenn Beck, they’re shills selling a product; I would like to hear it from the terrorists. I want to hear them say the words, “We think Obama is weak because of his bowing, and we are attacking for that reason.” Put up or shut up, you know? Until you come up with something better than your gut feeling and the ramblings of conservative ideologues with axes to grind, this is nothing more than trash talk.
You’re accusing me of divining the hearts and minds of the terrorists? Please, I know what Iran thinks and since they fund the terrorists, it doesn’t take much to assume what the terrorists think.
You are the one stuck to infintile prattling, Levi. Your own denials of evidence and conspiracy theories are well documented in this blog. You willing admit to following a discredited ideology that has led to more deaths than any other, and your belief that democracy is not the answer is also well known.
Besides, based on you ignoring evidence in the past, even if there was a tape showing OBL commenting that President Obama is linmp wristed, you’d say he’s a ‘right wing shill’.
As for Imadinnerjacket…
“Mr. Obama, you are a newcomer (to politics). Wait until your sweat dries and get some experience. Be careful not to read just any paper put in front of you or repeat any statement recommended,” Ahmadinejad said in the speech, aired live on state TV.
Oh here:
Ahmadinejad mocked Obama’s impotence, telling him in an April 7 address that, faced with Iran’s nuclear program, American leaders who were “bigger than you, more bullying than you, couldn’t do a damn thing, let alone you.”
Iran clearly doesn’t see us as a strong power.
but hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of your mindless bashing of America. Maybe you should take the time to list those successful socialist states you boast of, rather than prattling on like this.
You’re accusing me of divining the hearts and minds of the terrorists? Please, I know what Iran thinks and since they fund the terrorists, it doesn’t take much to assume what the terrorists think.
Eh, I’ll consider the argument over at this point. Terrorists and Iran are not the same thing. If you think international geopolitics and issues related to modern terrorism are so simple and uncomplicated that the fanatics traipsing around the desert are thinking exactly the same thing that Iran is thinking, you’re just not ready for the big leagues yet.
As for Imadinnerjacket…
“Mr. Obama, you are a newcomer (to politics). Wait until your sweat dries and get some experience. Be careful not to read just any paper put in front of you or repeat any statement recommended,” Ahmadinejad said in the speech, aired live on state TV.
Oh here:
Ahmadinejad mocked Obama’s impotence, telling him in an April 7 address that, faced with Iran’s nuclear program, American leaders who were “bigger than you, more bullying than you, couldn’t do a damn thing, let alone you.”
Iran clearly doesn’t see us as a strong power.
but hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of your mindless bashing of America. Maybe you should take the time to list those successful socialist states you boast of, rather than prattling on like this.
Stop the presses… do you mean to tell me there’s a third world dictator talking a bunch of sh*t that he has absolutely no capacity to back up? This must be the first time that’s ever happened in the history of the world!
And putting this issue of whether or not the terrorists and Iran think we’re weak or not, what difference does it make if they do really think that? If they thought we were strong, do you think that would stop them from blowing themselves up in suicide attacks? This entire premise is flawed to begin with. It’s nothing but a way for you to pretend that you’re tough, that Republicans are just so intimidating to the terrorists, because that’s an easy, convenient thing for you to believe. You want people to be scared of you so you end up committed to these ridiculous concepts that have no basis in the real world.
If Iran thought that the United States was weak, they would do something about it. There is no way on earth that Iranians, or anyone else for that matter, to think that the country that spends more on defense than the next 8 highest spending countries combined, is weak. If they say that we’re weak, it’s because they’re politicians. They have to do that stuff for their supporters at home and because their egos prevent them from recognizing the way that things really are. There is a lesson to be learned from Iraq on this topic; sure Saddam said he had WMD, but he didn’t. What do you know, you can’t take the word of murderous dictators these days.
You know a topic is dumb, dumb, dumb, when you find it difficult to rationally explain how stupid it is, that is how untethered from reality any of these ideas are. Bush does the sword dance for 20 minutes, Obama nods his head slightly when meeting a world leader, and therefore terrorists orchestrate more attacks when a Democrat is President…. that is supposed to make sense?
And by the way, I think it’s you that is accusing yourself of divining the hearts and minds of terrorists.
So now Levi’s gone from “Obama doesn’t make us weak” to “Who cares what they think.” Priceless.
Also note how Levi wants ‘proof of what the terrorists think’ then dismisses the words of Imadinnerjacket. Ignoring that he’s funding terrorists and is part of their ilk. Is there no goal post you won’t move?
At least one terrorist is internet savy.
But Hey Levi, keep thinking that we’re only under attack from those less educated than you, your fellow Americans you want to drag into your socialist utopia.
So now Levi’s gone from “Obama doesn’t make us weak” to “Who cares what they think.” Priceless.
But it’s not an either or, neither of those things are true. This is what I meant when I said this was an exceedingly dumb thing to argue about. Terrorists don’t think that Obama makes us any weaker than George Bush, and it also doesn’t matter if they did.
And yes, I want some proof that this Pakistani guy planted this bomb because he thinks that Obama makes the United States look weak and he wanted to test us. That is the assertion being made, and you’re admitting defeat if the best you can do is point to what the President of Iran said about Obama however many months ago. Let’s hold the trial and see if that comes out at some point. I’ll bet he could also tell us that Bush made us look strong and so that’s why he didn’t want to test us…. oh god, it just keeps getting more stupid.
No, the contention was “what evidence do you have to that leads you to believe that the terrorists think Obama is weak?” Your own words.
I pointed out that Imadinnerjacket said exactly that.
You moved the goal posts to “If they say that we’re weak, it’s because they’re politicians.” So again, you’re claiming insight into the minds of terrorists. When called on that you move the posts again to:
“I want some proof that this Pakistani guy planted this bomb because he thinks that Obama makes the United States look weak and he wanted to test us.”
And in your pathetic attempt to spin the fact that you can’t argue your point, you claim this was my point. The original point was that “Our enemies (not just Al Qaeda) see President Obama as weak and they are trying to test him repeatedly to see how (or if) he responds. So far, his response is eerily similar to the quid pro quo missile attacks of the Clinton era. We know what that led to…”
Well most of us know what that lead to. You again trot out the lie that Iraq didn’t have any WMD, and say that when someone plans to kill you, they’re just boasting and we shouldn’t take them seriously.
As to our enemies… Ask South Korea, who lost a ship to the North, or Georgia, or Ukraine, or Kazakstan… All of which have felt first hand how our enemies are feeling emboldened by our weak President.
Watch any tape released by AQ and the rhetoric is pretty indistinguishable from that of our own liberal left. They knew Bush wouldn’t ignore their efforts and they know Il Douche is a bleeding gash who can’t even call what they do exactly what it is. He’ll give them a pass as much as possible all the while throwing his own country under the bus.
Watch any video of Incompetano prattling on like an idiot and you can’t help but surmise that we’re not only weak, but completely disinterested in securing our country.
The fact that there have been so many terror attacks against the USA since Obama has been President has got to be troubling. It seems the way Bush 43 reacted to terror acts, really frightened the bad guys. Mess with GWB and you may get bombing in Afghanistan, Iran, Pak, the mountains etc. Mess with Barack and you get legal talking and more rounds of golf. The proof is in the numbers. Obama is just plain weak. Maybe it’s time for another apology tour.
So Levi wants us to believe that the terrorists don’t know a Sub/Bottom when they see one?
The fact that there have been so many terror attacks against the USA since Obama has been President has got to be troubling. It seems the way Bush 43 reacted to terror acts, really frightened the bad guys. Mess with GWB and you may get bombing in Afghanistan, Iran, Pak, the mountains etc. Mess with Barack and you get legal talking and more rounds of golf. The proof is in the numbers. Obama is just plain weak. Maybe it’s time for another apology tour.
If conducting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq is what scared the terrorists into not attacking the United States when George Bush was President, then the same should hold true when Barack Obama conducts wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, shouldn’t it? What you’re saying simply doesn’t make sense. Wars scare the terrorists under Bush, but wars don’t scare terrorists under Obama. Obama bowing during a greeting signals to the terrorists that the United States is weak, but Bush doing the sword dance with the Saudis signals to the terrorists that the United States is strong.
Do you honestly believe that religious fanatics who are willing to blow themselves up to kill innocent women and children can be ‘frightened?’ How does that make sense? The defining characteristic of a would-be suicide bomber is that they’re not afraid of dying – so how is there any way to intimidate them with force?
Again, everything you believe is wrong on so many levels that it is simply impossible to keep track of it all. At this point, you’ve got layer of delusion upon layer of delusion, and it is totally impossible for you to present an argument that doesn’t have a number of glaringly obvious contradictions. Of course, the big problem here is that you’re just regurgitating talking points and never even made an attempt to think about these things logically. All that mattered to you is that a Republican said something, so you believe it with all your heart no matter what. You’ll never figure it out, either.
Also, is that link labeled FOREIGN media supposed to be a joke?
It is a joke, you know that, right?
Awwww,
Levi having his ‘arugements’ shredded now tries a completely different tactic.
Problem is, it’s just as pathetic as the first.
So by this logic were Bush/Cheney responsible for 9/11?
So by this logic were Bush/Cheney responsible for 9/11?
Of course not. Even though Bush received a memo in August that said Bin Laden was determined to attack within the United States, probably by hijacking an airplane, 9-11 was definitely Clinton’s fault. And Obama is responsible for all of these new attempted attacks, because he bowed to some leader somewhere.
I MEAN ISN’T IT OBVIOUS?
Houndentenor,
By this logic, the failure to treat the terrorist attacks and take Bin Laden at face value did lead to the culmination of the attacks started prior to Bush taking office. The difference being that the actions taken after 9/11 and the offensive stance taken by the administration in reaction to 9/11 prevented several organized attacks from happening.
Levi’s said in the past that he doesn’t care how many Americans die to allow him to sleep at night. The backing down of the current adminstration to a ‘9/10 mentality’ (keep in mind we call it 9/10, not ‘pre-Bush’) in ‘man caused incidents’ and ‘overseas contingency operations’ does lead to the mindset that attacking the US will not be stamping out terrorists. Heck, the administration wants to negotiate with the Taliban, and they bring the fight to our shores. Hint, you don’t negotiate with them, you kill them.
We give President Bush slack on 9/11 because, despite Levi’s fevered accusations, no one put the intelligence together for something that big. The intelligence had been hampered by the previous administration, and the hatred and paranoid ranting of people like Levi did impeed fixing the problems. Friends I have in Naval Intelligence said that yes, in hindsight you can put the pieces together, but that’s because hindsight allows you to find the pieces in the volumes of information. He had his one mistake, we all paid the price. President Obama’s now had 3 that were too big to cover up, and we’ve seen no change.
Levi’s comments not withstanding, luck is not a counterterrorism technique.
We give President Bush slack on 9/11 because, despite Levi’s fevered accusations, no one put the intelligence together for something that big. The intelligence had been hampered by the previous administration, and the hatred and paranoid ranting of people like Levi did impeed fixing the problems.
On August 6th 2001, when President Bush was given a PDB entitled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US” that among other thinks mentioned surveillance of buildings in New York and his desire to hijack an aircraft.
One month later, terrorists hijacked airplanes and flew them into buildings in New York and Washington.
And you’re telling me this wasn’t put together by the intelligence community? This memo was written for Bush’s eyes. There is no indication that Bush did a single thing after reading this memo. The intelligence was timely, it was correct about specific details, and the 9-11 plot was demonstrably easier to prevent due to the fact that airports are natural security chokepoints – BUT BUSH GETS SLACK. It’s all Clinton’s fault! It’s all Clinton’s fault!
I’ve asked conservatives this question a few times now and I don’t expect an answer; if we come to find out in a few years that Obama received a memo on April 6, 2010 that stated that an American citizen of Pakistan heritage was planning to detonate a car bomb at a heavily trafficked landmark in a major east coast city, would President Obama deserve slack? Would that be something that you would criticize him for, or does he get a pass, just like Bush got a pass?
You’re a total joke man. You’ve now twisted yourself around and arguing about Obama’s intelligence failures (despite the fact that he’s continued most of Bush’s draconian policies) and abandoned the absurd terrorists-sense-his-weakness argument that would be laughable if posited by a 4-year old. Why don’t you just say ‘I’m a partisan and I hate Obama and love Bush, and this is the only thinking I apply to contemporary political issues. I therefore come up with conspiracy theories and raving rants that make me fool good and validate my right-wing programmed political ideology!’ You would save the rest of us some time…
You’re the one who has abandoned sanity Levi. I’ve shown, with quotes, how terrorist allies like Imadinnerjacket show that they KNOW Obama’s weak. The Russians bought out Kazakstan because of that weakness and are moving on Georgia because of that weakness.
Your ‘memo’ (that you provide no evidence for) changes nothing. There are a number of threats and the intelligence community, which was still not rebuilt from being devestated over the 8 years prior, did not find it any more alarming than other threats. If we didn’t have the wall established by Clinton’s administration (and, admittedly not demolished at that time by Bush) then maybe the intelligence would be more actionable. Bush learned from 9/11. He learned what Bill Clinton didn’t in 8, and what Barack Obama has refused to learn, it’s not something that can be put away with nice words, or economic aid.
You’re the one who’s let your hatred for President Bush, starting in 2000 when you couldn’t wrap your brain around the Constitution and how elections work, find fault with anything he has done. You’re the one who doesn’t care how many people die, so we can extend non-existant ‘rights’ to people trying to kill us (KSM). You’re the one who is an admitted socialist, and doesn’t think democracy works, since you feel you should drag us kicking and screaming into your future. You’re the one who doesn’t understand the constitution. You believe that Judges get to say what the constitution says, well unless you disagree with them, like in the corporate free speech case.
You can’t even make a coherent argument because, when you get your head handed to you, you have to change the rules, try to put words in your oponent’s mouth, and then try to change the topic completely.
That’s likely the best reason to use your own words against you, you support leaving men capable of doing this in positions of power. You admittedly follow a policy that has over 60 million dead behind it. And yet we’re supposed to believe that you have a coherent argument? Please.
The funny part is that Levi screams about what Bush should have done — while ignoring the fact that Levi and the Obama Party have protested every single action taken since 9/11 to find, detain, and stop terrorists.
They oppose tapping their phones. They oppose reading their email. They oppose arresting them. They oppose taking people off planes who are acting strangely.
And what’s even more funny; thanks to them and your fellow progressives, you could not deny people entry even if they were known to be members of a terrorist group. Furthermore, they oppose checking visas and enforcing immigration laws — which, had it been done, would have likely unraveled the 9/11 plot.
Meanwhile, silly Levi, that last completely unravels your argument about the Bush administration not having done anything. They were trying their hardest to find these people. But they were hamstrung by hatemongering racist idiots like yourself who put the welfare of terrorists ahead of law-abiding American citizens.
Your ‘memo’ (that you provide no evidence for) changes nothing. There are a number of threats and the intelligence community, which was still not rebuilt from being devestated over the 8 years prior, did not find it any more alarming than other threats. If we didn’t have the wall established by Clinton’s administration (and, admittedly not demolished at that time by Bush) then maybe the intelligence would be more actionable. Bush learned from 9/11. He learned what Bill Clinton didn’t in 8, and what Barack Obama has refused to learn, it’s not something that can be put away with nice words, or economic aid.
The memo exists; here is the link.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html
And yes, of course, that was something to be filed away, not really important, nothing you can really do about it. But some guy parks a truck with bunch of easily obtained flammable stuff at an intersection and OMG OBAMA IS SO WEAK!!!
I’ll give you another chance; all you have to say is that if we come to find out that Obama received a memo in April 2010 that laid out the general parameters of this would-be car bomb attack, then you won’t criticize Obama for it. Can you say that?
The funny part is that Levi screams about what Bush should have done — while ignoring the fact that Levi and the Obama Party have protested every single action taken since 9/11 to find, detain, and stop terrorists.
I’ve opposed those measures because they’re expensive, inefficient, compromise our moral authority, make a mockery of our laws and international laws, and they’ve typically gotten innocent people that knew nothing about anything tortured and killed. But has the Democratic party? Of course not, they’re continuing all of Bush’s policies and amplifying many of them in some respects. You’re delusional to think that Obama represents the opposition to the discredited Bush method of combating terrorism, he’s more of the same.
“I’ve opposed those measures because they’re expensive, inefficient, compromise our moral authority, make a mockery of our laws and international laws, and they’ve typically gotten innocent people that knew nothing about anything tortured and killed.”
Except they work, of course. And the only moral authority they compromise is yours. The link you’d posted previously only resulted in you showing where the case in question was prosecuted and the parties punished. *yawn*
Still, this is rich coming from a man who willingly admits he’s an adherent to a form of government that has over 60 million dead on its rolls and doesn’t have a problem with overthrowing a democracy for a government led by the elite.
You ‘oppose’ these measures because they’ve saved lives Levi. You oppose them because men and women fight and die to allow you the freedom to oppose them. The same freedom you’d deny anyone but you.
You support socialists, Levi. People like Che, Castro, Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Millions of people dead by the system you believe in. And yet we’re supposed to believe that you honestly worry about democracy? That you feel that all men are created equal? Your own words betray your true thoughts.
How about this, Levi. We’re not ‘torturing’ them. we’re ‘dragging them kicking and screaming into the future, because they need smarter people to do that’. After all, your words show that’s what you’d like to do to us.