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So, Obama Administration is good for the conservative movement?

Weighing in on the change of heart some pundits (including my beloved Peggy) who waxed eloquent about Obama during the campaign have experienced now that that Democrat has taken the helm of this great nation, Bill Quick first castigates them, then points at the benefits of the Obama Administration to the conservative movement:

Since Obama’s election will turn out to be the worst thing to happen to the leftist project in America in the past hundred years, and will free a generation from the chains of leftist quackery at just the time such freedom is most sorely needed, I actually thank our lucky stars for useful idiots like you two. Without such, we might have been saddled with John McCain, and that would truly have been a disaster for conservatism, liberty, and America.

There’s something to that.  (Via Instapundit.)

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  1. Red State Update “Obama You Can’t Play Afghanistanville If You UnFriend Your General”

    http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2010/06/red-state-update-obama-you-cant-play.html

    Comment by keyboard jockey — June 26, 2010 @ 4:39 pm - June 26, 2010

  2. Coming at from the other side of this, let me say: if this is the current conventional wisdom of the impact of Obama’s election on the right wing, that this has strengthened rather than weakened you, that it’s broadened you rather than led to purges and banishment of heretical conservatives, that it has led Americans to distrust rather than witness a functioning government under Democratic control, that it has led to the rejection of progressive ideals rather their embrace…
    Well – keep on keeping on. We’ll find out in the next few elections, I guess, one way or the other.

    Comment by torrentprime — June 26, 2010 @ 5:49 pm - June 26, 2010

  3. Well – keep on keeping on. We’ll find out in the next few elections, I guess, one way or the other.

    Just how much longer do you think folks will accept 10% unemployment? Do you really think they’ll buy the lying point that that’s the “new normal”? And then the Vice Dumbass runs out to proclaim that we’ll never get those jobs back. Well, not when he’s set for life and doesn’t give a fuck about the Proles.

    How many more golf games do you think the people will accept?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 26, 2010 @ 7:03 pm - June 26, 2010

  4. I’ve wondered what impact a full-tilt leftist gubmint would have on this country… would people wise up and realize that there really is no free lunch? Or would they decide that we just need more leftism?

    It seems right now that people are wising up. But as a “We Are Doomed” (tm John Derbyshire) pessimist, I have the feeling that we’ll just double down on our journey to Eurostyle basket-case socialism. I hope I’m wrong.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — June 26, 2010 @ 7:56 pm - June 26, 2010

  5. VP Biden Campaigning with Feingold In WI
    calls a private enterprise manager owner a smart a**.
    All because the guy wanted Biden to lower his taxes….
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/26/biden_calls_manager_who_told_him_to_lower_taxes_a_smartass.html

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 26, 2010 @ 8:42 pm - June 26, 2010

  6. tp like a lot of liberals is whistling past the graveyard….actually most liberals have gone into hiding…
    10% unemployment
    Obamas Katrina that is never ending
    Drilling moritorium costing even more jobs in red states.
    Iran
    Afghanistan
    Generals fired.
    Deadline to bug out of Afghanistan.
    Blago trial inplicates Rahm and Obama on bribery.
    Democrats punching student reporters on the sidewalks.
    65% don’t want Obamacare.
    65% think the country is on the wrong track.
    Israel disrespected, Jews shunned.
    Russia kissed up to. Georgia, what Georgia?
    Norks.
    I heard a prjection of -180,000 jobs will be reported next Friday. Way to turn the corner.
    Most tea party candidates won last tuesday.
    Gallop reported a record 42% of the country consider themselves CONSERVATIVE only 20% now consider themselves LIBERAL. If the numbers hold til years end it will be the first time in history they said ,that the good guys more than double the morons. Thx President Obama.
    CNN hires whore monger Spitzer for it’s 8pm hour. Such a pretty face too.
    Oh and Biden just cussed out a shop owner for asking for his taxes to be lowered.
    Yes, things are going swimmingly for the liberals.
    Let’s have an election!!!
    ROUT THE LIBERALS 2010

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 26, 2010 @ 8:52 pm - June 26, 2010

  7. Obama has shown the politically uninitiated that action trumps frilly words like hope and change. So very many fell for cult-like charisma and now the illusion is shattering.

    Our PM was so crap he was kicked out, you guys don’t have that mechanism. On the plus side for you guys, you only get ruled by the one elected. You do have November and in many ways your congress is even worse than any President including Obama.

    Comment by Argent — June 26, 2010 @ 11:03 pm - June 26, 2010

  8. The trouble with this analysis is that the evil these people have done will live on after they lose the next election. The Republicans will not roll it back, and eventually the leftists will be back in power and pile it on a little more. It will never be reversed. OK, never is a long time. Maybe it can be reversed but I’m very skeptical.

    Comment by John — June 27, 2010 @ 12:09 am - June 27, 2010

  9. Since Obama’s election will turn out to be the worst thing to happen to the leftist project in America in the past hundred years

    I understand the idea here, but I fear he is wrong. There is no doubt Obama is the worst president inflicted on the country in the past 100 years, and it is possible his presidency may put Democrats in the minority for another 12 years or more — but he has lurched this country a very long ways leftward towards the ultimate “progressive” Utopian breaking point where a majority of Americans are TAKERS instead of producers. And once that point is passed, the American dream ends, the American way of life ends, and Democrats will become the dominant party as they once again enslave a minority to provide for their majority.

    Comment by American Elephant — June 27, 2010 @ 12:51 am - June 27, 2010

  10. Ooops…. AND, much of what he and Democrats have done will be very hard to Undo.

    Comment by American Elephant — June 27, 2010 @ 12:51 am - June 27, 2010

  11. The problem with that sentiment is the horrible damage that Obama has done that we may never see the end of in our lifetime. Was it really worth not electing McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough? He may not have been your ideal, but he couldn’t possibly have been this clueless.

    Comment by CognitiveDissonance — June 27, 2010 @ 1:42 am - June 27, 2010

  12. CD, good point.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — June 27, 2010 @ 2:13 am - June 27, 2010

  13. #11 Which is why I held my nose.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 27, 2010 @ 5:16 am - June 27, 2010

  14. What amazes me is that so many of us “simple folk” saw the Obama/Bigot shit smeared on the wall long ago. How come elitists like Noonan didn’t?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 27, 2010 @ 5:17 am - June 27, 2010

  15. TP puts out some interesting points:

    if this is the current conventional wisdom of the impact of Obama’s election on the right wing, that (1) this has strengthened rather than weakened you,

    Certainly it has strengthened conservative resolve and attracted many formerly grazing sheep who have become worried about the Constitution.

    (2) that it’s broadened you rather than led to purges and banishment of heretical conservatives,

    Quite the opposite, I would say. Heretical conservatives are, in my mind, those who claim the conservative center and then pal around with socialist ideas.

    (3) that it has led Americans to distrust rather than witness a functioning government under Democratic control,

    Screw the phrase: Democratic control. It is control by the Democrats who have trash canned representative democracy and done one end run after another around the Constitution. This is more than a “functioning government.” It is a cancer in the body politic and it is aimed at fundamentally destroying representative democracy. Americans don’t “distrust” it, they are beginning to understand that they have to eradicate it.

    (3) that it has led to the rejection of progressive ideals rather their embrace…

    Huh! The progressives may get spanked, but they are not going away. It is curious that we read here of “Progressive ideals.” Never have “Progressive Ideals” been put to a vote. They are always slipped in under the door after the “Progressive” obtains power. There is a huge difference between “liberal ideas” and “Progressive Ideals.” Liberal ideas can be sold and enacted in the standard way of representative democracy. Progressive Ideals have to be forced on the people through trickery and thuggery.

    I expect the Democrats to suffer a real spanking in November. But I do not expect Pelosi, Waxman, Leahy, Schumer, Durbin, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Frank, et al to suddenly undergo an epiphany. These are hardened socialists who are rich enough to live well regardless of the consequences of their progressive Ideals. Even the class of “progressive ideals” losers in November will turn up making millions in the shady world of government influence. Raines, Daschle, Podesta, Gorelick, Gore, Clinton, etc. just hang around like so many grifters eating other people’s lunches. As long as there is a crowd to feed them, they will still be there planning their coups and picking at scabs.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 27, 2010 @ 7:12 am - June 27, 2010

  16. One of Obama’s cultists thinks his problem is that he hasn’t blamed Republicans enough for his failures. Yeah, not kidding.

    Comment by V the K — June 27, 2010 @ 9:00 am - June 27, 2010

  17. The country cannot afford mistakes like Obama. I think any gains by conservatives can only be temporary. The deficits are FOREVER. The damage to our health care system will last several generations even after it is repealed. Our foreign policy is ruining our credibility. Iran and North Korea are acting destructively now. The damage from the oil spill is happening now. The federal government is stopping all recovery efforts. There are few credibility true Conservative leaders. I haven’t heard of any that can take on Obama in 2012.

    Comment by Anon387823 — June 27, 2010 @ 9:23 am - June 27, 2010

  18. Obama had his chance to cement Liberalism as a dominant force when he was elected, most polls showed that people had higher levels of trust in what Government could do for them. He could have restored an FDR like lock on the country by being competent and doing enough to show that Government is good and Government works. People were open to that, and now its done.

    Trust and belief in Government has once again tumbled down and you can’t deal a lasting progressive movement when people don’t trust in the Government. People want competence, not ideology, and neither party has been able to deliver that. We will continue to have “wave” elections until one party can show it can run a competent government. Unfortunately that takes a lot more centrist leadership than either people is offering up right now.

    Comment by darkeyedresolve — June 27, 2010 @ 9:36 am - June 27, 2010

  19. While I would certainly love to see Pelosi & Reid et al sent packing come this November, I’m not thrilled with the GOP re-taking control in Congress. They haven’t earned it nor do I trust them after their last debacle as well as the continued BS from soc-cons. I guess at the very least they will provide a check to Obama’s more insane ideas like cap-and-trade as well as lessen the BS from the extreme left run amuck these past couple of years. Yet lest we have a repeat of 1996 in 2012, don’t get too cocky because Obama can still recover a la Clinton and trounce a weak GOP candidate by running against a Republican Congress. The man is not a leader at all regardless of his politics and that’s more dangerous than anything else at this perilous time. Yet right now I’m not seeing a GOP presidential candidate who can rally sufficient support to win in 2012. Guess we’ll see as we get closer to 2012.

    Comment by John — June 27, 2010 @ 10:24 am - June 27, 2010

  20. Speaking as a social con, we get pretty fed-up with BS from RINO’s like Ahunld Taxonator, Charlie Crist, and Arlen Spectacle. The last two of whom demonstrate that most so-called “moderates” are in fact, just out for themselves.

    The moderates had their chance in 2008 when they nominated the Democrats’ favorite Republican as their candidate. How well did that work out for you?

    Maybe the moderates can make a go of it in 2012 with Lindsey Grahamnesty or Susan Collins. Good luck with that.

    Comment by V the K — June 27, 2010 @ 11:35 am - June 27, 2010

  21. Mark Steyn is fond of quoting Gerald Ford: “A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.”

    Mark then adds: “But there’s an intermediate stage: A government big enough to give you everything you want isn’t big enough to get you to give any of it back.”

    I think that’s where we’re at and that’s where we’re going to stay (until it all falls in on itself).

    Comment by SoCalRobert — June 27, 2010 @ 11:59 am - June 27, 2010

  22. Heard Victor Davis Hanson this week, he contends that every 30 years the American pubic loses it’s mind and votes in a Carter and an Obama.
    Then we live with the results, the next administration starts the healing process, just as we feel we are out of the woods, we lose our minds again.

    Comment by Leah — June 27, 2010 @ 12:19 pm - June 27, 2010

  23. I’ve seen the future. Here it is. America is headed for a Greek-style debt crisis, writ large. It’s not just the Obama deficits and the official debt; it’s also the much larger unfunded liabilities in entitlement programs. The narcissist-socialist Baby Boomers are in charge of America (Obama technically is one, just on the young end). They believe they can repeal the laws of mathematics and accounting, and they won’t learn or be satisfied, until they are hit by (and have caused) a history-making crisis. In the process, they will destroy the value of the U.S. dollar.

    It’s already started. 2008 was the first act. I can’t say when the next crisis will hit. It might be as early as this year, 2011 or 2012. But I’m pretty sure it will hit in time to consume Obama’s Presidency. If it doesn’t hit by 2013, then Obama has a chance to be re-elected, as his Frankenstein economy will still look sort of good – just barely – and we know the media will be on his side. (They will forgive/forget his manifest incompetence in dealing with the oil spill, that some of them are now criticizing.) But then the debt crisis hits in his second term. Personally I think it will hit sooner, and cost him re-election.

    The crisis, whenever it comes, will involve overthrowing the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency. I don’t know what will replace it, but China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Europe, Brazil, all these countries are searching for an alternative to the USD right now. The replacement might involve a basket of currencies, and/or some gold component. But the point is, instead of other countries having to earn US dollars to pay for their oil etc., the U.S. will have to earn other countries’ currencies in order to pay for its oil etc. That will be a game-changer, when it hits. Gas will be $10/gallon or more. The dollar will be overthrown because its fundamentals are so poor (U.S. policy of debt and depreciation). And the overthrow as such will further depreciate the USD.

    By the way, the euro is doing better than most people realize. As someone pointed out, the Europeans have begun tackling their fiscal problems and cutting their spending and deficits – unlike Obama. They may still have to cut Greece or other PIIGS countries out of the euro – but when and if they do, the remaining euro will be that much stronger. Currency markets have not yet realized this, so the euro is under-valued / dollar is over-valued.

    But I digress. My point is that Americans have a lot to learn. And that includes Republicans. It includes every one of you who are reading my remarks here and going “Huh? That’s crazy.” And Americans have only begun to learn it. Republicans and conservatives have only begun to learn it. They have a growing sense that Obama goes too far and puts us in danger, which is correct. They will make gains this November. But I see very few candidates out there with a clear understanding of these issues. Republicans and conservatives are not yet articulating these issues to the American people, or telling us honestly just how bad off we are and how much must change, in order to fix it. Peter Schiff and maybe Paul Ryan, are about the only ones I’ve seen.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 27, 2010 @ 12:41 pm - June 27, 2010

  24. Quote from another blog: “Republicans, corrupt and cowardly as they are, still have some nominal sense that you don’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Democrats look at the goose and think ‘deep-fry.'”

    Comment by V the K — June 27, 2010 @ 12:50 pm - June 27, 2010

  25. #5 Gene – Well Biden is a dumbass, that’s worse. A guess a dumbass knows a smartass when he sees one – and is duly jealous.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 27, 2010 @ 12:54 pm - June 27, 2010

  26. #24 V – A lot of truth in that. Do you think they have a death wish?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 27, 2010 @ 12:58 pm - June 27, 2010

  27. He could have restored an FDR like lock on the country by being competent and doing enough to show that Government is good and Government works.

    Au contraire. He’s shown how government is good and government works at fucking everything up every way from Sunday and strives to make everyone equally miserable.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 27, 2010 @ 1:28 pm - June 27, 2010

  28. It is an explosive mix for Democrats. All these measures—from his job approval to handling the economy and the Gulf oil leak to the generic ballot to intensity—will remain roughly where they are unless a dramatic event causes a shift. That’s unlikely: The president can do little to radically improve the landscape.

    It has taken a year and a half of bad policies to put Mr. Obama and Congressional Democrats in their precarious position. As voters hold them accountable for misdeeds, mistakes and misjudgments, Democrats will endure a beating this year they are not likely to forget soon.

    – Karl Rove

    Obama and the Woes of the Democrats
    The president’s low ratings mean he can’t lift his party by campaigning.

    http://tinyurl.com/27x8e3z

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 27, 2010 @ 1:57 pm - June 27, 2010

  29. Speaking as a social con, we get pretty fed-up with BS from RINO’s like Ahunld Taxonator, Charlie Crist, and Arlen Spectacle. The last two of whom demonstrate that most so-called “moderates” are in fact, just out for themselves.

    None of whom are of course anything even resembling fiscal or defense cons. I’m not even certain how you would classify them if you had to. Arnold talked a good game during the recall campaign, for the most part, but like that darling of the social cons Huckabee fell flat afterwards. How did Bush, the darling of socons in 2000, work out for you? A good man and not bad on some things, but quite objectionable in a number of areas to everyone.

    The moderates had their chance in 2008 when they nominated the Democrats’ favorite Republican as their candidate. How well did that work out for you?

    As well as the soc-con alternatives during that election. McCain wasn’t anyone’s favorite choice, he was the Bob Dole of 2008: it was his turn to run and damn his faults combined with the lack of better competitors the GOP establishment ran him anyways. He actually didn’t do too bad considering the Bush fatigue that had set in amongst the electorate, not to mention a slick talker on the Dem side.

    Maybe the moderates can make a go of it in 2012 with Lindsey Grahamnesty or Susan Collins. Good luck with that.

    Neither of whom again would be classified as fiscal cons.

    Care to throw any other names up to finish this convenient box you wish to put all non-socons in? Whom do you have in mind for 2012? Huckabee? Palin? Perhaps Romney or Pawlenty? Jindal and Christie don’t have chance, so who is the next Bob Dole to run with soc-con backing?

    Comment by John — June 27, 2010 @ 3:04 pm - June 27, 2010

  30. 24: Good point and about all you can about the GOP for now.

    Comment by John — June 27, 2010 @ 3:08 pm - June 27, 2010

  31. At this point I care about 1) common sense, 2) fiscal con, 3) defense con, in that order. Palin might not be at all bad, though you won’t find me supporting Huckabee.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 27, 2010 @ 3:28 pm - June 27, 2010

  32. I don’t get the argument that having someone on the GOP 2008 ticket that was an avid Social Conservative would have helped win the election. Does anyone really think if would be better of Huckabee had won the nomination? Huckabee is nothing more than a Southern Conservative Democrat from about 40 or 50 years ago.

    I guess unless they are some kind of bible beater who is actively going out there and pushing for more Government power to regulate behavior its just never enough for Social Conservatives. The candidate can’t just be pro-life and against gay marriage, cause thats what McCain was and that wasn’t enough.

    Its fine, we will once again have this argument and I am actually rather confident that one of more fiscally and national security focused candidate will win.

    Comment by darkeyedresolve — June 27, 2010 @ 3:28 pm - June 27, 2010

  33. The country recovered from the Carter years. Democrats paid for that mess for years. But the education system doesn’t remind our kids of those kinds of mistakes and why Carter shouldn’t have been revistited.
    I believe the Obama mistakes can be rolled back. If the Republicans don’t try and succeed, then their party will pay as well. I understand you can strangle any program by just not funding it. Conservatives must start to turn off the spigot on cherished libearls programs. Period.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 27, 2010 @ 5:30 pm - June 27, 2010

  34. I don’t get the argument that having someone on the GOP 2008 ticket that was an avid Social Conservative would have helped win the election.

    I don’t think they had to have been avid. They simply would have had to make it clear that they had more contempt for Obama and his socialist idiocy than they did for social conservatives.

    McCain did the exact opposite.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 27, 2010 @ 6:53 pm - June 27, 2010

  35. Whom do you have in mind for 2012?

    No one, really. I’m fairly certain Obama will be re-elected. The Republicans simply don’t have anyone who is that inspiring. Palin — lacks vision. Christie and Jindal — too soon. Romney — Phony. Huckabee — Creepy bigot. Daniels — Dull as dishwater. Pawlenty — ditto. (Also, believes that Global Warming crapola). Gingrich — Puts too many people off.

    Do you think they have a death wish?

    The Democrats? I think one thing we know about Democrats is they would rather rule over the rubble of a great civilization than share power in building or sustaining a great nation. Look at Detroit. You know I’m right.

    Comment by V the K — June 27, 2010 @ 9:13 pm - June 27, 2010

  36. I dunno. According to Kimberly Strassel, company CEOs are starting to figure out just how badly they’re getting screwed. I can’t imagine how the Man-child Candidate could get reelected. I think even a terrorist attack would damage his chances even further.

    Still waiting for TP, or anyone really, to answer #3.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 28, 2010 @ 5:02 am - June 28, 2010

  37. #36 Asking TP to answer a questions is like asking Levi to believe brown people can do democracy.

    As to being good for conservatives, it’s good only in the sense of showing how much liberalism sucks. Conservatives need a clear plan of action articulated and the ability to ‘sell’ it. Else we’ve an uphill battle against the propoganda of “Liberals, may suck, but trust us, Consevatives suck worse.”

    Comment by The_Livewire — June 28, 2010 @ 6:47 am - June 28, 2010

  38. No one, really. I’m fairly certain Obama will be re-elected.

    Sadly, I think you’re right. I guess this is why the GOP must take one or two Houses in Congress to keep him in check. I’m not a fan of the GOP but I sure as hell am tired of the Dems holding all the cards.

    Comment by John — June 28, 2010 @ 8:00 am - June 28, 2010

  39. The Republicans have to fundamentally untransform America. There is no one right now willing to stand up to do the task. Paul Ryan and Chris Christie are the only people talking about specific actions. The rest are still preaching about the problem.

    It took a long time to slide into the morass of unfunded entitlements with we have weighted down both our economy and our persons. We have to find the people who will dedicate themselves to cutting out the cancer. That is not any of the current crop Republicans. Sarah Palin still has a great deal of standing. Everything now is about timing. If November is the sea change we are hoping for, it is possible for a candidate to get specific and ride the surf into the Oval Office.

    But, my fear is that the Republicans will simply climb on the mandate horse and ride off in different directions together and argue over who wears the mantle of Reagan.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 28, 2010 @ 9:36 am - June 28, 2010

  40. I’ll say this about Christie: I disagree with him on SSM, but the man gives me the proverbial thrill up my leg when he takes on the teachers’ union! That’s real leadership and what I want to see in the Federal Government.

    Comment by John — June 28, 2010 @ 9:32 pm - June 28, 2010

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