While my friend Jamie Kirchick may have won the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association Journalist of the Year Award in 2007, he has not yet gained the fame of his contemporary Ezra Klein. (Klein was born in 1984, Kirchick in ’83) Perhaps it has something to do with sexuality (Ezra is straight, Jamie is gay) or maybe it’s politics (Ezra is a leftie loyalist, Jamie leans right, but, unlike his contemporary, does not toe the party line).
And this notion of the younger man’s celebrity came to mind this morning as I was continuing the process of cleaning out my e-mail boxes. I read a Wall Street Journal piece Jamie had sent his friends earlier this month on the decision of a Spanish gay organization to exclude a float from the municipality of Tel Aviv in Madrid’s gay pride parade:
By joining the international campaign to delegitimize Israel, Spain’s leading gay organization undermined its purported mission: the furtherance of gay rights. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that even has gay pride parades, never mind respects the dignity of homosexuals. Saudi Arabia beheads gays. Syria arrests them in sting operations. Iran hangs them from cranes in public squares. (Speaking at Columbia University in 2007, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed that there are no homosexuals in his country, an absurd assertion nonetheless portentous for its murderous aspirations). As for Gaza, one of Hamas’s leaders has referred to gays as “a minority of perverts and the mentally and morally sick.”
Like so many other democratic values, when it comes to gay rights Israel is an oasis in a sea of state-sanctioned repression, a “little patch,” to use Mr. Poveda’s words, that he and his comrades ought to defend. Gays serve openly in the Israeli military. While gay marriages can’t be legally performed in Israel, the government grants gay couples many of the same rights as heterosexual ones and recognizes same-sex unions performed abroad. Many Palestinian gays seek asylum in Israel. And like most aspects of Israeli life, the gay scene is disputatious. This year there was not one gay pride parade but three, including one that rejected the implicitly Zionist message of the municipally-sponsored parade. As one Israeli friend joked to me, “Two gay Jews, three parades.”
The decision by Spain’s leading gay group is part of an international trend that has seen far left elements hijack what ought to be a non-partisan movement to promote individual liberty.
Now, take a look at that last quoted line again. Note what Jamie thinks the movement “out to be about.” Yup, that’s right, he used that wonderful word describing a great idea: liberty. Problem is is that most gay leaders are focused on another word: “equality.” Perhaps, if the heads of the various gay organizations were committed to liberty, they might better understand what rights are and where they’re being abused.
That a gay organization can’t get that gays in Israel enjoy freedoms deprived them in Islamic lands shows just how much such groups see themselves as part of a worldwide left-wing movement, so much so that they lose sight of the people for whom they are supposed to be fighting.
No offense intended, Dan, but sometimes, a story is just so thoroughly revealing, your words are hardly necessary.
Such is the case here, wherein the gay left proudly and blissfully throws its support behind an enemy that just as proudly and blissfully homosexuals as beneath contempt, all in the name of maintaining “street cred” with a political ideology.
It’s a testament to the utter self-destructiveness of the progressive movement.
How true. Israel is a gay positive island in a hostile sea. Or in today’s political parlance, a blue island in a red sea. Yet, because conservatives as a rule support Israel; the knee-jerk reaction of the left is to demonize Israel. They just avert their eyes away from any homophobia on Islam’s part. This is the same reason black opposition to SSM is virtually ignored. It goes against the established narrative: people of color – good; white conservative Christians – bad.
Wait, who’s “self-loathing” again?
Someone once asked me “does one have to support Israel to be ok with you?”
Stupid ignorant question.
Israel doesn’t hang gays
Israel doesn’t hang women for the crime of BEING raped
Israel doesn’t bury one up to their wayre with hands bound inback, then stoned to death for the crime adultry
Israel had equal right s for women who serve militry terms just like the men.
Israel grows things on that barren sand to feed its own and export produce, using technology
I can go on and on. this person who asked me that is one of those 60’s radicals who thinks it is perfectly ok for Obama to hang around terrorists who wished he would have killed more, done more Ayers.
she says “so what?”
I say “so long, when you are reasonable it would be nice to know you again”
I want to ask her….”Why don’t you support Israel when you are so much for social justice, when it’s neighboring countries treat women as 2nd, or 3rd rate civilians. When gays are in hiding fearing for their lives.
Gays also serve openly in the Israeli army.
I think this is a case where the gay left aligns so closely with the left they often forget that some things the left supports aren’t in line with the stated goals for gay rights. I am thinking the right to live period is a pretty big goal-it is a shame the Spanish group missed this little fact when condemning Israel.
This is why leftist gays make me want to puke. Stupid is as stupid does.
Another gay related story not related to us in the liberal USA media, but disclosed in the British Telegraph paper is that the wikileaks document dump discloser, PFC Manning was a gay activist in Wales who was vehemently against Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell USA policy and wrote extensively about his activist on his facebook pages. So the lamestream media is leaving out a crucial part of the wikileaks 92,000 page document dump story, the same way they edited out the Fort Hood Jihadi’s Islamist Soldier of Islam back story. I guess the public doesn’t have the right to know the motivations of our enemies?
eagle,
*sigh* Great, so he’s getting people killed because he can’t talk about his BF in the shower. Prime. Blackfive’s right. It’s firing squad time.
Yet another reason DADT has to go. He writes about his gay activist activities on Facebook, and does not get expelled? Yet for others, a mere rumor can trigger an investigation. DADT is being enforced selectively and ineffectively, and very clearly demonstrated here, is not at all furthering legit goals of the military.
I challenge anyone to convince me that DADT works when an overt, anti-military gay activist can blatantly and publicly flout the policy, while he hands over thousands of top secret documents to the enemy.
So Jeremy’s logic is that DADT should be repealed because the fact that it wasn’t followed in this case allowed a gay and lesbian activist to hands over thousands of top secret documents to the enemy.
Or, put another way, Jeremy wants the one policy that could have prevented this, had it been followed, to be repealed.
The choice, then, is between enforcing the policy, which would have stopped the problem AND would prevent the problem from recurring, or eliminating the policy, which does nothing to prevent it from recurring and in fact facilitates future incidents of the same.
Why do you support making it easier for gay and lesbian people to turn traitor, Jeremy?
I am saying the policy should be repealed (among other reasons) for the fact that is ensnares loyal and effective service members of same-sex attraction, while failing to expel other persons of SSA which were actually HARMING our military, as well as violating the policy. Proponents of the policy claim that the policy should be left alone because “it works” (ie, expelling LGbs ensures unit cohesion, readiness, etc). Not only do they have no evidence that this is the case, we now have very public evidence that in fact the policy spectacularly fails. They have expelled thousands of SSA service members, who in no way undermine the military, and failed to “catch” the one who actually did.
This proves that the policy, as it functions in real life, does not further any military interests. In fact, it is undermining military interests– effective gay service members get kicked out while the one traitor, who was not even under the radar, caused irreparable harm.
I repeat: THOUSANDS of well-trained, SSA service members have been expelled, regardless of their record of service or qualifications, because they are SSA. The one bastard traitor, who was so flagrantly violating the policy one wonders if anyone at the Pentagon has a computer, caused a security catastrophe. DADT does not work. Based solely on its utility in achieving military ends, it fails. We don’t even have to talk about equality or freedom or anything else. DADT just simply doesn’t work.
Or, put differently, the policy, when applied, caught thousands of nascent Mannings who thought their sexual orientation entitled them to turn traitor BEFORE they were able to do so effectively.
The policy did not fail. Gay-sex liberals failed to enforce the policy. Who wants to bet that Manning’s fellow gays and lesbians in the military killed any sort of enforcement action against him? Would Jeremy condemn that?
Indeed, I’m almost positive that’s the truth — remember what the gay and lesbian community was demanding?
Knights Out, the organization formed by a group of gay and lesbian West Pointers in March of this year, has, in the wake of HRC’s Joe Solmonese call for an executive order to cease discharges under DADT, released a statement telling the President to do the right thing for the sake of national security.
So the gay and lesbian community was DEMANDING that the policy not be enforced. And now we have Jeremy here blabbering that the policy failed because it wasn’t enforced.
Listen up, Jeremy. YOU and your fellow gay-sex liberals demanded that this policy not be enforced. YOU are responsible for the fact that it wasn’t. And because it wasn’t enforced, one of your fellow gay-sex liberals — sorry, a “loyal and effective service member” — turned traitor, with horrific results.
Do you and your fellow gay-sex liberals ever think through the consequences of your decisions?
Let’s just be clear on one thing, ND30, do you support DADT, and excluding LGBs from military service? I do not wish to procede any further with you w/o knowing your stance. I need to know if I am addressing a gay conservative or a gay-hating bigot.
Or, put differently, the policy, when applied, caught thousands of nascent Mannings who thought their sexual orientation entitled them to turn traitor BEFORE they were able to do so effectively.
Yeah, I can see your just a bigot. Only a bigot would slander gay people as inherent traitors to their country. You remind me of the Palestinians. They hold that any gay person is an Israeli informant, and treat them as such. How does it feel to be in the same category as the Palestinians?
Gay-sex liberals failed to enforce the policy.
The military enforces the policy, dipshit.
And now we have Jeremy here blabbering that the policy failed because it wasn’t enforced.
It is not enforced consistently, and where it has been enforced, caused harm to the military. And where it wasn’t enforced, ALSO caused harm to the military. It’s rare to find a law or policy that manages to find the right balance of only causing harm when it is enforced, and causing harm when it is fails to be enforced. It’s like an air conditioner that only works in winter.
And because it wasn’t enforced, one of your fellow gay-sex liberals — sorry, a “loyal and effective service member” — turned traitor, with horrific results.
I will just let this one stand, a monument to ND30’s wickedness and mental illness.
You remind me of the Palestinians. They hold that any gay person is an Israeli informant, and treat them as such. How does it feel to be in the same category as the Palestinians?
The Palestinians and their actions are supported by the gay and lesbian community.
Only a bigot would slander gay people as inherent traitors to their country.
Manning and his fellow leftists are trying to argue that what he did was justified because of his sexual orientation. I live near and in whole cities full of gay and lesbian bigots and their supporters who support resolutions branding our troops as “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” and who want to abolish the military, all “because they are gay” and “because of DADT”.
So if you want to attack people who are justifying being traitors because of their sexual orientation, you’re aiming at the wrong person. But then again, that is the typical knee-jerk reaction of a gay-sex liberal; you don’t attack the idiot traitor gays, you attack the persons who point out the idiot traitor gays.
The Palestinians and their actions are supported by the gay and lesbian community.
No shit. They are bastards for supporting a nation that would gleefully hang you and I from the nearest tree. Where the fuck did I ever say “I am a liberal” or “I support the Palestinian Arabs”?
Manning and his fellow leftists are trying to argue that what he did was justified because of his sexual orientation.
And he is wrong, nothing justifies what he did. He should be tried for treason, and if found guilty, executed. And his supporters, if he has any in this specific case for that specific reason, are worse than you are. Which is saying a lot.
I live near and in whole cities…
Your first link is fucked up, your second link, I didn’t see any mention of Gays, or DADT. But anyway, I thought gay conservatives wanted the world (especially the gay part) to see that we aren’t a political monolith that all has to agree on the same issues. Yet you broad brush the whole gay universe based on the political culture of one city that is at most 15% gay. Isn’t that kind of self defeating? Further, it makes YOU look bad, because regardless of how much you may hate the gay community, other people will lump you in it when they find out you have same-sex attraction.
you don’t attack the idiot traitor gays, you attack the persons who point out the idiot traitor gays.
That wasn’t what you were doing, you were claiming all gays in the military are potential Mannings. That is disgraceful, you know goddamn well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction. Many are in fact, Conservatives, and probably some are more right wing than you. But according to you, they are “traitors”, because of one single trait. Illogical and ridiculous.
The Palestinians and their actions are supported by the gay and lesbian community.
No kidding. They are bastards for supporting a nation that would gleefully hang you and I from the nearest tree. Where did I ever say “I am a liberal” or “I support the Palestinian Arabs”?
Manning and his fellow leftists are trying to argue that what he did was justified because of his sexual orientation.
And he is wrong, nothing justifies what he did. He should be tried for treason, and if found guilty, executed. And his supporters, if he has any in this specific case for that specific reason, are worse than you are. Which is saying a lot.
I live near and in whole cities…
Your first link is messed up, your second link, I didn’t see any mention of Gays, or DADT. But anyway, I thought gay conservatives wanted the world (especially the gay part) to see that we aren’t a political monolith that all has to agree on the same issues. Yet you broad brush the whole gay universe based on the political culture of one city that is at most 15% gay. Isn’t that kind of self defeating? Further, it makes YOU look bad, because regardless of how much you may hate the gay community, other people will lump you in it when they find out you have same-sex attraction.
you don’t attack the idiot traitor gays, you attack the persons who point out the idiot traitor gays.
That wasn’t what you were doing, you were claiming all gays in the military are potential Mannings. That is disgraceful, you know dang well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction. Many are in fact, Conservatives, and probably some are more right wing than you. But according to you, they are “traitors”, because of one single trait. Illogical and ridiculous.
But anyway, I thought gay conservatives wanted the world (especially the gay part) to see that we aren’t a political monolith that all has to agree on the same issues. Yet you broad brush the whole gay universe based on the political culture of one city that is at most 15% gay. Isn’t that kind of self defeating?
Not really.
You see, there are two ways to accomplish that, both of which need to be done.
The first is presenting the opposing opinion, as is done here at GayPatriot.
The second is by putting the gay and lesbian community and its beliefs and values, as exemplified by DADT protesters like Manning, front and center, as I am doing.
The former will only be heard when the latter is shamed, humiliated, and crushed into the ground.
That is disgraceful, you know dang well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction.
Then they had better make that fact known loudly and quickly by condemning this little dirtbag and the gay and lesbian community leaders who support him.
Poor jeremy,
He doesn’t understand how his comparing us to people who want us dead might be seen as offensive.
Of course, when you are blinded by bile, it’s hard to see when you spit more up.
@19 NDT said “Then they had better make that fact known loudly and quickly by condemning this little dirtbag and the gay and lesbian community leaders who support him.”
I imagine they would if they could, but DADT prevents them from effectively doing so.
I imagine they would if they could, but DADT prevents them from effectively doing so.
How exactly does DADT prevent anyone from saying, “Gays and lesbians who rationalize treason because of their sexual orientation are pathetic pieces of leftist dirtbag trash”?
NDT, it seemed to me that Jeremy’s statement…..
“That is disgraceful, you know dang well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction.”
provoked this statement from you…..
“Then they had better make that fact known loudly and quickly by condemning this little dirtbag and the gay and lesbian community leaders who support him.”
I got the sense you are speaking of gays and lesbians who are currently serving in the military, hence my response. Please correct me if I am wrong.
BTW, I completely agree “Gays and lesbians who rationalize treason because of their sexual orientation are pathetic pieces of leftist dirtbag trash”.
I got the sense you are speaking of gays and lesbians who are currently serving in the military, hence my response. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I don’t think it matters. Indeed, I would expect every serviceperson to respond, “Gays and lesbians who rationalize treason because of their sexual orientation are pathetic pieces of leftist dirtbag trash”. It has nothing to do with what sexual orientation they are, does it?