I don’t think it matters. Indeed, I would expect every serviceperson to respond, “Gays and lesbians who rationalize treason because of their sexual orientation are pathetic pieces of leftist dirtbag trash”. It has nothing to do with what sexual orientation they are, does it?

“That is disgraceful, you know dang well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction.”

provoked this statement from you…..

“Then they had better make that fact known loudly and quickly by condemning this little dirtbag and the gay and lesbian community leaders who support him.”

I got the sense you are speaking of gays and lesbians who are currently serving in the military, hence my response. Please correct me if I am wrong.

BTW, I completely agree “Gays and lesbians who rationalize treason because of their sexual orientation are pathetic pieces of leftist dirtbag trash”.

How exactly does DADT prevent anyone from saying, “Gays and lesbians who rationalize treason because of their sexual orientation are pathetic pieces of leftist dirtbag trash”?

I imagine they would if they could, but DADT prevents them from effectively doing so.

He doesn’t understand how his comparing us to people who want us dead might be seen as offensive.

Of course, when you are blinded by bile, it’s hard to see when you spit more up.

Not really.

You see, there are two ways to accomplish that, both of which need to be done.

The first is presenting the opposing opinion, as is done here at GayPatriot.

The second is by putting the gay and lesbian community and its beliefs and values, as exemplified by DADT protesters like Manning, front and center, as I am doing.

The former will only be heard when the latter is shamed, humiliated, and crushed into the ground.

That is disgraceful, you know dang well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction.

Then they had better make that fact known loudly and quickly by condemning this little dirtbag and the gay and lesbian community leaders who support him.

No kidding. They are bastards for supporting a nation that would gleefully hang you and I from the nearest tree. Where did I ever say “I am a liberal” or “I support the Palestinian Arabs”?

Manning and his fellow leftists are trying to argue that what he did was justified because of his sexual orientation.

And he is wrong, nothing justifies what he did. He should be tried for treason, and if found guilty, executed. And his supporters, if he has any in this specific case for that specific reason, are worse than you are. Which is saying a lot.

I live near and in whole cities…

Your first link is messed up, your second link, I didn’t see any mention of Gays, or DADT. But anyway, I thought gay conservatives wanted the world (especially the gay part) to see that we aren’t a political monolith that all has to agree on the same issues. Yet you broad brush the whole gay universe based on the political culture of one city that is at most 15% gay. Isn’t that kind of self defeating? Further, it makes YOU look bad, because regardless of how much you may hate the gay community, other people will lump you in it when they find out you have same-sex attraction.

you don’t attack the idiot traitor gays, you attack the persons who point out the idiot traitor gays.

That wasn’t what you were doing, you were claiming all gays in the military are potential Mannings. That is disgraceful, you know dang well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction. Many are in fact, Conservatives, and probably some are more right wing than you. But according to you, they are “traitors”, because of one single trait. Illogical and ridiculous.

No shit. They are bastards for supporting a nation that would gleefully hang you and I from the nearest tree. Where the fuck did I ever say “I am a liberal” or “I support the Palestinian Arabs”?

Manning and his fellow leftists are trying to argue that what he did was justified because of his sexual orientation.

And he is wrong, nothing justifies what he did. He should be tried for treason, and if found guilty, executed. And his supporters, if he has any in this specific case for that specific reason, are worse than you are. Which is saying a lot.

I live near and in whole cities…

Your first link is fucked up, your second link, I didn’t see any mention of Gays, or DADT. But anyway, I thought gay conservatives wanted the world (especially the gay part) to see that we aren’t a political monolith that all has to agree on the same issues. Yet you broad brush the whole gay universe based on the political culture of one city that is at most 15% gay. Isn’t that kind of self defeating? Further, it makes YOU look bad, because regardless of how much you may hate the gay community, other people will lump you in it when they find out you have same-sex attraction.

you don’t attack the idiot traitor gays, you attack the persons who point out the idiot traitor gays.

That wasn’t what you were doing, you were claiming all gays in the military are potential Mannings. That is disgraceful, you know goddamn well that many gays and lesbians serve with distinction. Many are in fact, Conservatives, and probably some are more right wing than you. But according to you, they are “traitors”, because of one single trait. Illogical and ridiculous.

The Palestinians and their actions are supported by the gay and lesbian community.

Only a bigot would slander gay people as inherent traitors to their country.

Manning and his fellow leftists are trying to argue that what he did was justified because of his sexual orientation. I live near and in whole cities full of gay and lesbian bigots and their supporters who support resolutions branding our troops as “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” and who want to abolish the military, all “because they are gay” and “because of DADT”.

So if you want to attack people who are justifying being traitors because of their sexual orientation, you’re aiming at the wrong person. But then again, that is the typical knee-jerk reaction of a gay-sex liberal; you don’t attack the idiot traitor gays, you attack the persons who point out the idiot traitor gays.

Yeah, I can see your just a bigot. Only a bigot would slander gay people as inherent traitors to their country. You remind me of the Palestinians. They hold that any gay person is an Israeli informant, and treat them as such. How does it feel to be in the same category as the Palestinians?

Gay-sex liberals failed to enforce the policy.

The military enforces the policy, dipshit.

And now we have Jeremy here blabbering that the policy failed because it wasn’t enforced.

It is not enforced consistently, and where it has been enforced, caused harm to the military. And where it wasn’t enforced, ALSO caused harm to the military. It’s rare to find a law or policy that manages to find the right balance of only causing harm when it is enforced, and causing harm when it is fails to be enforced. It’s like an air conditioner that only works in winter.

And because it wasn’t enforced, one of your fellow gay-sex liberals — sorry, a “loyal and effective service member” — turned traitor, with horrific results.

I will just let this one stand, a monument to ND30′s wickedness and mental illness.

Knights Out, the organization formed by a group of gay and lesbian West Pointers in March of this year, has, in the wake of HRC’s Joe Solmonese call for an executive order to cease discharges under DADT, released a statement telling the President to do the right thing for the sake of national security.

So the gay and lesbian community was DEMANDING that the policy not be enforced. And now we have Jeremy here blabbering that the policy failed because it wasn’t enforced.

Listen up, Jeremy. YOU and your fellow gay-sex liberals demanded that this policy not be enforced. YOU are responsible for the fact that it wasn’t. And because it wasn’t enforced, one of your fellow gay-sex liberals — sorry, a “loyal and effective service member” — turned traitor, with horrific results.

Do you and your fellow gay-sex liberals ever think through the consequences of your decisions?

The policy did not fail. Gay-sex liberals failed to enforce the policy. Who wants to bet that Manning’s fellow gays and lesbians in the military killed any sort of enforcement action against him? Would Jeremy condemn that?

This proves that the policy, as it functions in real life, does not further any military interests. In fact, it is undermining military interests– effective gay service members get kicked out while the one traitor, who was not even under the radar, caused irreparable harm.

I repeat: THOUSANDS of well-trained, SSA service members have been expelled, regardless of their record of service or qualifications, because they are SSA. The one bastard traitor, who was so flagrantly violating the policy one wonders if anyone at the Pentagon has a computer, caused a security catastrophe. DADT does not work. Based solely on its utility in achieving military ends, it fails. We don’t even have to talk about equality or freedom or anything else. DADT just simply doesn’t work.

Or, put another way, Jeremy wants the one policy that could have prevented this, had it been followed, to be repealed.

The choice, then, is between enforcing the policy, which would have stopped the problem AND would prevent the problem from recurring, or eliminating the policy, which does nothing to prevent it from recurring and in fact facilitates future incidents of the same.

Why do you support making it easier for gay and lesbian people to turn traitor, Jeremy?

I challenge anyone to convince me that DADT works when an overt, anti-military gay activist can blatantly and publicly flout the policy, while he hands over thousands of top secret documents to the enemy.

*sigh* Great, so he’s getting people killed because he can’t talk about his BF in the shower. Prime. Blackfive’s right. It’s firing squad time.

I think this is a case where the gay left aligns so closely with the left they often forget that some things the left supports aren’t in line with the stated goals for gay rights. I am thinking the right to live period is a pretty big goal-it is a shame the Spanish group missed this little fact when condemning Israel.