I’m not in a good mental place as the 9th anniversary of the greatest attack on our nation dawns. Readers who have been with me from the beginning know that on 9/11 anniversaries, I have normally honored my good friend Joe Ferguson who was on American Airlines Flight #77 that slammed into the Pentagon that day.
But this year I’m in a bad mindset. Angry. Frustrated. Mystified. Horrified. My two “tweets” yesterday sum up how I’m feeling as tomorrow approaches.
I think I may remember 9/11/2001 tomorrow in an “off the grid” fashion.
However, I do recommend listening to this Blog Talk Radio show tonight marking the anniversary.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
Dude, where have you been? 9/11 became Jerry Springerfied about six years ago. Why is there virtually no real plan to rebuild the towers. It’s disgusting.
I feel the same. And when I listen to Tom Kean we are not prepared for the new “citzen terrorist” at all.
It is a very sad day that tomorrow has become so unpatriotic.
The absolute worst is that we have so many Americans who refuse to call the enemy “the enemy” in some bastardized effort to make them like us.
It doesn’t bother anyone that 9-years after there’s still a gaping hole in lower Manhattan, and that the Port Authority NYC and the developers are demonstrably-incompetent….but just propose a (Islamic) community center several blocks away amongst the existing NYC strip-clubs and it’s chest beating and pious claims of “sacred ground” being desecrated….
And the skunk-in-the-room that no-one mentions is the TWELVE-MILLION-SQUARE FEET of commercial real estate to be built DIRECTLY on the WTC site. And a train station. And a hotel.
Meanwhile our “leaders” let themselves be hijacked by a two-bit, snake-handling pastor in rural Florida threatening a book-burning on live TV with Internet-coverage.
Dontcha jus’ love liv’ng ‘n Amerika?
Bruce,
I think off-the-grid is a good idea. The only way to fight against the bastardization of this memorial, is to disengage. I’ll pray for honors for your friend. I plan to observe a moment of silence at my workplace.
In the time it takes to say “Let’s not insult Islam!”, 100 bibles and 200 American flags were burned.
………and then nothing happened.
Those who value freedom require more than an insult to declare war on a people. They realized that ideas cannot be destroyed by by burning physical things, and that if Allah were indeed real, the burning of a Quran would be a meaningless act. It would have no effect.
Let’s be clear, extremist-Muslims are declaring it a crime to insult the human followers of Allah, not to insult Allah. It is ‘Aryan-like’ arrogance to hold non-Muslims to a different standard than Muslims.
It’s true that not all Muslims are Extremists. But It’s equally true that not all Germans, during World War II, were Nazis.
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What’s different about this 9-11 than last year’s, and the years’ before? Quite clearly, it’s because there are some midterm elections right around the corner, and large swaths of the conservative movement think that the black President is some kind of secret Muslim subsversive. Like every other election cycle, the Republican vote has to be turned out by hysterical fear-mongering and completely insincere moral indignation, and now it’s turned 9-11 into a sideshow. So lament it all you want, GayPatriot, but have the guts to recognize that it’s being driven exclusively by Republicans.
Yeah, Levi. Right. Sure.
Idiot.
Bruce – I’m having disconnected feelings as well, not with 9/11 and what happened, but with this country. What has happened? My mind has been boggled. I fear for our future…….
Bruce – Thank you for verbalizing (or Twitterizing) my feelings about how a group of media buffoons are detracting from what should be an anniversary of reflection and rememberance. All I could think to do was put up a small memorial album on my Facebook account for two guys I knew in college who perished at World Trade Center. I read your tribute to your friend Joe. As it turns, while the radio was playing the Enya song as a way of processing the nation’s feelings about 9/11, the only song that I was listening to at the time that provided any significant amount of hope and solace was indeed I Hope You Dance by LeeAnn Womack and never understood why the rest of the nation wasn’t embracing it’s message.
It’s being driven of far left media folk Levi
Ted:
While I share your annoyance about the pathetic lack of progress in reconstructing ground zero, this seems like an apples and oranges comparison. The lack of progress is basically on account of moron bureaucrats who sort of can’t help being morons and incompetent. The so-called religious leaders involved in the controversies are deliberately using this tragedy to make public and political statements. I consider that significantly more outrageous.
Death to all sand Nazis.
I can’t help wondering if some of this 9-11 angst doesn’t come from the feeling that we’re starting to lose this thing. Between the Victory Mosque at Ground Zero, the people cowering in terror because ‘South Park’ depicts Mohammed or some nobody preacher wants to burn a Koran, to Iran getting nukes… it just feels like we’re losing this war. And the people in charge don’t give a damn. They would rather sue Arizona for securing the border than fight the people who have sworn to destroy us.
Would the Tea Party have gotten more respect from the mainstream media, and the Progressive left, had they announced their own nuclear program?
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What? How do you figure that one? Opposition to the mosque is a product of the liberal media? Was I hallucinating when I listened to Rush Limbaugh talk for a few hours about the pastor in Florida today?
Just own up to it – conservatives are solely responsible for this circus and you know it. We got through 9-11 in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009 just fine, and the only reason that these are stories this year is because Republicans know no shame when it’s time to get out their vote. They’ve got mid-terms to win, and their opponents are headed up by a dark-skinned, exotically-named President that far too many people believe is a secret Muslim, and of course they’re taking the low road.
I’d love for 9-11 to be a somber day where we remember what we were doing when it happened, and try to remember what life was like before. Now, we’re a country that makes up reasons to invade other countries, that sees no problem with torturing innocent people, and that wonders why people get mad at us when we drop bombs on villages. I think we’ve been making nothing but mistakes since that day, and I imagine that Osama bin Laden is tickled pink by our completely insane and self-destructive reaction. If you were told back in 2001 that we’d still be in Afghanistan a decade later and not really any closer to fixing the problem of Islamic terrorism, would you have believed it?
Conservatives would rather trade in platitudes about an enemy that only hates us for our freedoms, and embarrass themselves on the global stage with this ridiculous reaction to a construction project than acknowledge any of these sad facts, of course. It’s hardly surprising that a group of people that have gleefully cheered on the dismantling of our moral authority are loathe to admit that they’ve effectively played right into the hands of their enemy. Most humans are too egotistical to admit that they’ve helped their country do nothing but fall on its own sword.
So many have forgotten.
I can only imagine how hard it would be to lose a friend in such a devastating way – and then to deal with the constant media crap. Take care.
If anybody’s interested in the FDNY audio:
http://www.firehouse.com/firehouseemail/other/911-podcasts/FDNY_Tape15.mp3
More audio:
http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/other/fdny-911-documents-audio-download-resources
Yeah. Where are those 400,000 dead Muslim Albanians anyway?
Liberals suck that way.
#16: “I’d love for 9-11 to be a somber day where we remember what we were doing when it happened, and try to remember what life was like before.”
Bullsh*t, Levi. You’re a filthy, fu*king liar. Just like every other leftist waste-of-space, you want what happened on 9/11 and what it meant to go away completely. You weren’t angry about the attacks then, and you aren’t angry about them now. You believe that America deserved what it got on that day and the people who insist on commemorating it with what you consider tacky, jingoistic displays of patriotism annoy you to no end.
I think you know that 9/11 is too important to the decent people in this country for them to allow the MSM to just sweep it under the rug so it can fade from the nation’s collective memory, so I’m sure you are all in favor of Plan B: draining the date of September 11th of all meaning by transforming it into a touchy-feely day to celebrate leftist activism, community organizing, and environmental douchebaggery. To accomplish Plan B, Obama has teamed up with just about every corrupt and crack-pot left-wing group in America.
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/24/obamas-plan-to-desecrate-911
That’s why the White House now officially calls 9/11 “A Day of Service and Remembrance.” It can’t just be “A Day of Remembrance”–the left has to sneak “Service” in there as well to dilute the meaning of what happened on that day and to try to guilt trip Americans into spending the day picking up litter in a park or some such bullsh*t. Obama, the other people responsible for this obscenity, and the people who agree with it are vile, disgusting individuals who deserve nothing but the contempt of our entire country–that includes YOU, scumbag.
P.S. Go FU*K yourself, Levi.
Here’s the link to the White House’s website where the First Battleaxe encourages Americans to spend 9/11 cleaning up a local park, participating in a food drive, or helping out at a local soup kitchen or school. There’s also an idiotic photograph of her holding a wet paintbrush alongside two fully-Obama-zombified teens. It’s unbelievable. Apparently, now 9/11 is about good ol’ fashioned, habitat-for-humanity elbow grease. I know! Maybe next year I can spend 9/11 volunteering to slap a coat of paint on the Ground Zero Mosque! It seems that is where this is headed.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/09/10/a-day-service-and-remembrance
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/09/10/a-day-service-and-remembrance
That’s not paint. It’s whitewash.
Yawn. I’ve been told in one form or another that I hate America and look forward to its destruction by morons like you hundreds of times at this point. I either ‘don’t support the troops,’ or I would like to ‘coddle the terrorists,’ or I ‘wanted what happened on 9/11’ – or why not all three? While we’re at it, why not say I supported Hitler during WWII and Stalin during the Cold War? These are completely meaningless taunts and only reveal your utter desperation in these types of arguments. Conservatives are unwilling and unable to recognize how disastrous their leadership has been after 9/11 and meet any response short of ‘I love war and torture’ with accusations of these sorts. Utterly stale and predictable.
If you spend all year supporting terrible policies that do nothing but damage our national security and needlessly put American servicemen and foreign innocents in harm’s way, you’re not being a patriot just because you’re wearing an American flag t-shirt on 9/11. You’re using that as a substitute for doing things that are truly patriotic and to cover for the things that you do that are inherently unpatriotic, like clamoring for tax cuts for yourself while others go and fight a war that you so desperately want other people to fight for you.
Why would it be so bad to have people doing something for their communities and their country on a day of national tragedy? Again – that would be a truly patriotic act, as opposed to the completely hollow gesture of holding a political rally where you wave flags and absurdly complain about how the President is infecting the country with socialism.
Service isn’t a bad thing. Wow – that’s an unusual sentence to be forced to type in response to an adult. Thank god you morons weren’t around when we had to fight the Nazis.
I have news for you; Obama hasn’t changed this country half as radically as George Bush did. You’re going to tell me that efforts to reform the healthcare system and to invigorate the economy are more dangerous to our society than beginning an open-ended crusade in the Middle East? Your idea of what constitutes patriotism is seriously defective if you’d rather have your government committing atrocities than trying to get its own people back to work.
Levi. You’re a filthy, fu*king liar. Just like every other leftist waste-of-space
<3 <3 <3 Welcome back Sean A. <3 <3 <3
Complete childishness. Oooooo…. the Obamas are implying that it isn’t a bad thing to teach kids to give their time…. what monsters!!! On 9/11, people ought to be watching Glenn Beck and reading Glenn Beck and thinking about Glenn Beck, because true patriotism means elevating and enriching an undeserving, hypocritical charlatan that shamelessly exploits the worst terror attack in the history of the world! God Bless America!
Yeah. We should have had leadership that sold out airport security reform for a big donation to the DNC and whose boss ignored the act of war on the USS Cole.
F*ck you and the filthy whore that farted you out and took home the afterbirth.
Today happens to be my birthday. I intend to celebrate it the same as I always did. Some people suggest that this is somehow a sacrelige. But I refuse to let the terrorists who attacked this country take away my birthday.
To some it may seem trivial. It’s not to me.
Of course it should be spent as a day of remembrance of what happened nine years ago. But spend it picking up litter because Empress O has ordained it? She can just go scratch her ass.
Nice try, Levi, but we know what you and your filth support.
You support screaming “God damn America” from a pulpit as an audience of racists, including Barack Obama, claps and cheers along, holding a copy of your church newsletter glorifying Hamas and ranting about how those filthy Jews cause all the world’s problems.
You support standing up and calling all the individuals killed in the World Trade Center “little Eichmanns” who deserved to die, to the cheers of your fellow Obama Party members and faculty senate.
You support calling US troops “unwanted and uninvited intruders” in their own country and call for the abolishment of the US military.
And now you’re supporting the building of a mosque by a charlatan who takes millions and gives millions to terrorist organizations and whose sole intent is to piss all over the site where thousands of Americans died.
We totally understand your desperate screaming, squalling rearguard action to smear your fellow Americans who have seen two years of life under your incompetent racist Obama. You see power slipping away, and like all fascists, the only thing you can do is whine and accuse other people of being racists.
No one cares, Levi. “Progressivism” is collapsing. Your days as a government drone on welfare who supports watching pornography on government computers are numbered. You have no power. Your party is in disarray. Your entire leftist ideology has been proven by your Barack Obama to be an utter and complete failure.
I love that my comment came out right after TGC’s. One thing we can’t lose on what seems to be becoming Electioneering Extravaganza Day is our sense of humor.
Since Levi cares so much about what America has become since 2001, of course we can expect him to go plant a tree.
Today happens to be my birthday. I intend to celebrate it the same as I always did. Some people suggest that this is somehow a sacrelige. But I refuse to let the terrorists who attacked this country take away my birthday.
It’s my nephew’s birthday too, Lori. A bright, tow-headed, ever-smiling kid will be running around in the middle of a huge party today, blissfully unaware of what transpired and the tragedy that befell all of us years before he was even around.
Next year, at the tenth anniversary, he will be old enough to know and understand. And we will tell him. Not in the way that thousands died on his birthday, but for him to know that his birthday is a special day, and that it should always be a reminder to him of how blessed he is to live in a place where he is free.
Happy birthday, Lori. 🙂
I’m convinced that Levi is a paid spokesperson for CAIR.
Why are we divided today? I think it’s because there is a “fundamental” difference in the way we look at the world.
Governing by ‘the means’ (Libertarian):
Freedom requires a meticulous process to determine guilt. It limits the government action that can be taken against a citizen before and until they are PROVEN to be guilty. (Due Process)
It makes no assumptions about the truth.
Governing by ‘the ends’ (Progressive):
Socialism determines who is PROBABLY guilty of an invented crime, and then imposes a penalty (tax) before that crime can be committed. (Social Justice)
It’s clairvoyant insight predicts that ‘bad people’ will lie, will cheat, and will steal, in a particular manner, and then it takes, what it calls; “appropriate, corrective, preemptive action”. (See: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Radical Islam)
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What conservative leadership? Since 2001, we’ve had two presidents; a moderate from 2001-2009 and now a socialist progressive. As a moderate, Bush’s solution was not to simply kill the terrorists and break their things, but to expand massively the Government bureaucracy.
#25: “Yawn. I’ve been told in one form or another that I hate America and look forward to its destruction by morons like you hundreds of times at this point.”
Only HUNDREDS of times, huh? Well, then I stand corrected, Levi. Until you hit the 1000 mark it can’t possibly be true. Just curious, how many times have you been called a patriotic American?
“If you spend all year supporting terrible policies that do nothing but damage our national security and needlessly put American servicemen and foreign innocents in harm’s way, you’re not being a patriot just because you’re wearing an American flag t-shirt on 9/11. You’re using that as a substitute for doing things that are truly patriotic and to cover for the things that you do that are inherently unpatriotic, like clamoring for tax cuts for yourself while others go and fight a war that you so desperately want other people to fight for you.”
Levi, of course you consider the act of wearing American flag t-shirts to be “a substitute for doing things that are truly patriotic” because in your world, REFUSING to wear the American flag t-shirt (or burning it) is the highest form of patriotism.
And spare us the feigned concern about “damage to our national security” (you filthy fu*king liar). You absolutely support “needlessly putting American servicemen and foreign innocents in harm’s way” because you consider Bradley Manning a hero. He belongs in front of a firing squad, but you would rather throw him a ticker-tape parade. In the warped, sociopathic mind of a progressive, the life of a soldier or an Afghani informant isn’t worth a plugged nickel compared to the opportunity to undermine a US war effort approved by Congress, embarrass the US military, and resuscitate a platform for progressives to express their endless and obsessive hatred of George W. Bush.
“Why would it be so bad to have people doing something for their communities and their country on a day of national tragedy? Again – that would be a truly patriotic act, as opposed to the completely hollow gesture of holding a political rally where you wave flags and absurdly complain about how the President is infecting the country with socialism. Service isn’t a bad thing. Wow – that’s an unusual sentence to be forced to type in response to an adult.”
So, you admit that I am correct—you support the Obama Administration colluding with 60 far-left environmentalist, labor, and corporate shakedown groups to unilaterally transform 9/11 into “A Day of Service and Remembrance.” Levi, in that case, please inform us where you plan to spend the day engaged in the “truly patriotic act” of volunteering your time and energy. We are all dying to know which non-profit organization or soup kitchen will have the honor of enduring…uh, receiving your assistance this afternoon. Well? You ARE planning to devote your time and energy to public service today, right Levi? If not, I’ll just stick with my original assumption–that your support of designating 9/11 as a national day of “service” is a grotesque smokescreen to conceal your true intent of draining 9/11 of its meaning and significance.
“Thank god you morons weren’t around when we had to fight the Nazis.”
Levi, I assure you that everyone on this blog believes that had you been around in the 1940s, you would have expressed as much support for entering WWII and defeating the Third Reich as you have shown for protecting Israel and preventing Iran from producing nuclear weapons (which is to say, none at all, you pathetic loser).
#24: You nailed it, Aunt Ralph.
#26: Glad to be back, V the K. 😉
Many happy returns, Lori.
Would someone tell Levi,
democrats are running this fall, and not telling people they are democrats. They are disavowing Obamacare, cap n tax and the porkulus. The few liberal socialist Democrats that win on Nov 2 are going to be the ones who manage to fake out the public. Fake like they aren’t liberal Democrats. Obama has damaged the brand so bad. And as a conservative patriot, I’m lovin it!!
True, Gene. You don’t see any Democrat Campaign commercials bragging about health care reform, cap and tax, or the Stimulus; even though these are what the Dramacrats tout as their greatest achievements.
Why don’t Muslims just prohibit the sale of Qurans to non-infidels?
It’s contributing negligence, i say.
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Oops! It looks like i changed directions mid-sentence.
Let’s try again.
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Why don’t Muslims just restrict the sale of Qurans to non-infidels?
Bruce, we all remember those who were killed by the vermin Muslims.
I agree with Sean A and those who agreed with his response to a bigger piece of vermin, i.e. Levi
There’s very little worth responding to here.
To date, there hasn’t been a spike of violence against American troops since the Wikileaks release. To believe that there would be is idiotic – Muslims know that we’ve invaded a few Muslims countries and have killed thousands of Muslim women and children because they see it every day. You think that a database of Army reports is going to push a would-be terrorist over the top? That’s ridiculous.
How this ‘undermines the war effort’ defies explanation. I’m not sure if you’re aware, but the war effort is inherently undermined by its vague and evolving objectives and the total absence of any potential strategic advantage. We’re demonstrating to the world the limits of American military power, we’re ruining our credibility and abdicating our role as a moral authority, and the strategic benefits are all going to Iran – and oh yeah, it’s costing a fortune. But you’re telling me that some documents that nobody is going to bother to sift through are putting Americans in harm’s way? Absolutely crazy.
I just don’t care what you have to say here. Presidents asking for service is about as standard as it gets, and here you are pretending like it’s an affront to you because it’s on a specific day…. All you people are capable of is whining, have you no shame? It seems that there are fewer and fewer things that don’t offend you.
Public service is what got us through World War II, and again, you’re demanding tax cuts while also demanding that the government sends teenagers to fight and die in a war that you choose to think is some great endeavor despite all evidence to the contrary. You want other people to fight your battles and you want more money for yourself, but you also don’t want to engage in public service, and you claim to feel insulted that someone would even ask. If there is a better example of a spoiled-rotten toddler than the modern American conservative, I’ve never met them.
Osama bin Laden has predicted, on more than one occasion, that the American people would bitch about the war and demand the government end it and focus on domestic issues instead. And here’s your f*king sorry a*s proving him right. I’d be mortified. But then, I have the capacity for shame.
As to “moral authority”, you’re playing moral equivalence. We still have far more moral authority than a bunch of cowardly assholes that hijacked FOUR jet liners and attempted to SLAUGHTER tens of thousands. And I don’t give a good goddamn if some dirty f*ker got water splashed in his face. And you can shove your “we support torture” claim up your a*s along with your other hand.
YOU should be ashamed of every word you’ve written on this blog, especially today. You should be ashamed that you have leaders keen on forcing people into “community service” rather than reflect on what happened. Thinking people are dangerous to you and the SOBs you vote for. That’s a damn shame.
Remind me again which party was demanding we reinstate the draft to FORCE “teenagers” to fight and die? Which party lied in an attempt to play the fear card in the 2004 presidential elections???
Further, we don’t send “teenagers”. You must be 18 to serve. That’s the legal age for ADULTS, dumbass. So please share with us who, exactly, has been demanding that the government send teenagers to fight and die. Don’t forget that every last one of the members of our military are volunteers which your party denigrates on a regular basis.
And what “evidence to the contrary” do you have which proves that freedom for millions is a bad thing? I mean other than the liberals who don’t believe that they’re too stupid to appreciate freedom.
It would seem that you haven’t a f*king clue what “spoiled-rotten toddler” means because you and the goddamn motherf*kers you support personify it. Every last dirty, rotten, damnable one of you.
Once more, Levi: F*ck you, dirty skank.
there is just one more thing that the vermin Levi needs to be corrected on and that is the allies killing thousands of women and childrend. That is patently not true.
The truth is that vermin Muslims will use women and children as their shields. This is how they end up as collateral damage. However, wait there is more:
During the time that the allies have been in Iraq there have been more deaths that were the result of bombs being set by Muslims – sometimes Shia, sometimes Sunni and at other times AlQaeda – than from any allied military action.
There have not been thousands of women and children killed from the bullets of allied guns. However there have been scores of deaths caused by IEDs as well as bombs set off in various mosques.
On top of that, prior to the allied invasion of Iraq thousands upon thousands of Iraqi men women and children were dragged off to Abu Gharib and other prisons where they were tortured before they were killed. Then of course there were the thousands of Kurds who were killed when Saddam Hussein dropped chemical weapons upon them.
I guess vermin like Levi just do not want to know the truth of the matter but prefer to spread left-wing hate propaganda
And I’ll tell you another damn thing:
After years of the Party Approved Message that the war in Iraq has made us “less safe“, your beloved Chairman Obama hauled off and told our troops that they’ve made us more safe. Which is it?
After years of the Party Approved Message of “tax cuts for the rich!“, the liberals are contemplating extending the Bush tax cuts for those making under $250K. WTF sense does that make? Or is it, as I’ve said, that “rich” = anybody with a job?
Dirty, damnable, lying bastards. EACH and everyone of you, Levi.
One more:
Killing people and blowing shit up is “public service” now?
The irony that this statement is made by a progressive at the end of a comment that reads like a temper tantrum would be rich enough, but coming from a progressive who constantly demands a huge nanny government to care for his needs paid for with other people’s money…. it’s the Event Horizon of Liberal Projection.
Also, Levi, some of us perform service on our own; without nagging from the First Klingon or stipends from Big Government. People from my church perform service projects weekly. I signed up to mentor teens in foster care. So, STFU you sanctimonious liberal piece of crap.
Yeah, old Osama sure went out on a limb right there. Citizens usually get tired of wars, and that effect only compounds after they’ve dragged on for years, there’s still no end in sight, and every original justification for the war turned out to be a complete fabrication. Just because Osama bin Laden mutters a truism that any thinking person would agree with doesn’t mean I love Osama bin Laden – that I have to spell this out for you is revealing. My goal in arguments of these types is to figure out why you’re so stupid, your goal is to assign enough negative qualities to me that I can be dismissed.
Do we? Our invasion has resulted in the deaths of many times the amount of civilians that were killed on 9-11. Of course, we didn’t set out to kill so many civilians, but we were too stupid too consider the consequences of what we were doing. To quote Bill Maher, stupidity can get more people killed than evil. Does that preserve our moral authority? We’re not getting people killed intentionally, we’re just getting them killed by being negligent and short-sighted, which is just soooo much better.
No conservatives can make the claim that they’re the defenders of freedom and rule of law as long as this dumbass attitude prevails. We tortured thousands of people that had nothing to do with terrorism and we did it using methods that were far more destructive than waterboarding. This is the blindingly obvious reality, and all you’ll ever hear from your side is that all we did was splash some water in KSM’s face. The Bush administration abandoned American morality and shirked international law, and the best you can come up with is to bury your head in the sand.
Yeah, it sure was annoying when the government thugs came to my apartment yesterday at 4:00 and forced me to sweep the streets – I just hate it when I’m forced into community service! What did they make you do?
As I said, conservatives haved been clamoring for years to send American kids to fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan, for no reason, without the proper amount of support, without the proper equipment, without the proper training, without enough linguists, without an exit strategy, without competence from this country’s political leadership, and they’ve cheered all of this on enthusiastically while demanding tax cuts. Shouldn’t it be the exact opposite? If you’d like the country to commit resources to an invasion and long-term occupation, wouldn’t the patriotic, troop-supporting thing to do be to demand a tax increase, so that the most amount of resources can be brought to bear and the war can be finished as quickly and efficiently as possible, so that these young, brave soldiers can come and get back to their lives?
Of course, by expressing such a sentiment, I’m nothing but a troop-hating terrorist sympathizer. Conservatives have this idea that the only real thing you can do to support the troops and to support the military is to support whatever mission they’ve been handed, regardless of how pointless and counterproductive it is. And again, you only support the mission with your rhetoric – would you be willing to pay more taxes to support the war? Would you be willing to ration your gasoline or electricity? Of course not – you want to sit at home watching football and eating cheeseburgers and generally not thinking of the war at all while soldiers go on their third and fourth deployments. And you’d like to pay less taxes while we’re at it. But look, you’ve got a Support the Troops bumper sticker – so you’re the real patriot in this equation, is that right?
And of course, the Orwellian notion that all we’ve done in these countries is provide freedom for millions of people wraps up the predictable and stale propaganda dump from the conservative war supporter. Iraq doesn’t have a functioning democracy, Iran is exherting more and more influence on the region, years of sectarian fighting killed thousands of people for their religious beliefs, millions have been displaced, and virtually every Iraqi in the country has lost loved ones and neighbors – and this is what constitutes providing freedom for millions of people?
Nastier and nastier. Get a grip, loser.
Hey, I wouldn’t want to take responsibility for the thousands of dead kids that my unwavering support for a pointless war resulted in, but you don’t really have a choice. By invading that country, we’ve invited those types of attacks to be used against us, and the toll its taken on the civilian population is completely our responsibility. This is a big part of the reason why invading and occupying countries is such a terrible idea, especially a country so alien and unfamiliar to our way of life.
The jihadists can’t win a direct military confrontation with the United States military, obviously, so they are playing with a different set of objectives than a conventional military. One of those objectives is to make the United States look as bad as possible to both the local population and the global audience – and they’ve been tremendously successful in achieving that objective. Our invasion destablized Iraq and lead to countless suicide bombings that we have no choice but to take responsibility for – to do otherwise is desperately pathetic special pleading. We brought our fight with Osama bin Laden to the streets of heavily populated urban centers, and as much as you’d like to pretend that it isn’t our fault that this has killed an insane number of civilians, that isn’t the reality. The sad reality is that we are almost entirely to blame. Yes, our enemies are disgusting and terrible people, but their chosen tactics were easily predictable, and conservatives are ignoring the consequences of their actions and avoiding accountability by putting the onus for civllian deaths in these wars on them.
Gentlemen, ladies, Ashpenaz,
You have to remember, to Levi, he looks at the wonders America can be.
A nation where Democracy is passe, where an elite minority can drag the people kicking and screaming against their will. And of course, Levi naturally appoints himself one of those elite.
A nation where majorities don’t matter.
A nation where the will of the people is regulated by the efficient courts, who can determine that they can ignore parts of the constitution because they’re more important than others.
A nation where the courts are Glenda the good, asking if you’re a good law or a bad law?
Oh and one where the courts are the last word, except when they suddenly change their minds, see any case Levi disagrees with is a bad decision and I guess they’ll just need to drag judges kicking and screaming to the right one.
A nation where the ammendment process is for the people to change the constitution for ‘good reason’ (assuming that the intelligencia, which Levi appoints himself defines a good reason)
So Levi Loves America. He can see it is the perfect environment for his utopia. And this time it will work. Not like Cuba, USSR, N Korea, China, Vietnam, Nazi Germany…
Actually, it’s the exact inverse of that. I’m not demanding that other people pay for my needs, I’m arguing that I don’t mind paying more so that other people’s needs can be paid for. I don’t support healthcare reform because I’m a fat lazy slob with a bunch of health problems that wants other people to foot my hospital bills, I’m actually quite healthy, exercise regularly, eat fairly well, and have spent a few hundred dollars at most on healthcare in the past 6 years. I know full well that with healthcare reform, I will be paying into a system whose services I will likely not require.
I support healthcare reform because it’s better for the broader economy, even though it might cost me an almost imperceptible portion of my paycheck every month. Healthier people are more productive people and employees that don’t have to offer healthcare plans are more competitive and provide more opportunities. The costs are miniscule when distributed among 300 million people and are more than made up for in the long term.
But again, you’re a whiny conservative that refuses to take the long view and anything and only wants more for themselves right now right now right now! So instead of trying to understand why the current healthcare system is flawed, and instead of reviewing the merits of instituting the kinds of reforms that every other developed nation has implemented, it’s easy to just assume that I’m a welfare queen that wants people to pay for my lung cancer, cirrhosis, and bedrot.
Livewire, I’m sure everyone has seen your little list of Levi’s Greatest Hits at this point. Would you care to engage in conversation again at some point, or is this the most we can expect from you going forward?
Since people in my church voluntarily tax themselves an additional 10% of their income in tithing, it’s pretty obvious we don’t object to giving money to help others. Most of us conservatives are smart enough and have enough pattern recognition skills to note that nothing the Government has every gotten mixed up in has gotten better or less expensive. In fact, there’s a pretty strong negative correlation. Only progressives, who lack intelligence and pattern recognition skills, could claim health care will somehow be otherwise.
Awww, poor Levi doesn’t like it when the truth about him is exposed… who’d a thunk a fascist not liking having the sheet pulled off?
Levi, I can have conversation with you. It’s honest, intelligent conversation you are incapable of, because you just run and hide when you’re outclassed.
So, I’m outclassed because you can wave around a list of completely unrelated statements I’ve made that I still stand by and that I’m not embarrassed about at all? How does that work?
Note again how Levi doesn’t deny that it’s what he believes. Of course when Levi cheerfully demonstrates again and again his ignorance on government, history, science, religion, politics, well everything but Verzion cell phone plans, he proves with ever post how ill suited he is to hold intellectual discourse.
Still Levi’s a bit slow. It took him 109 days to admit that despite his previous boast, he couldn’t name two successful socialist nations, let alone, ‘several’.
I am amused by how readily the screaming Levi defends his Islamist friends and states that terrorists are justified in planting bombs in civilian areas.
But what should really sicken everyone to the core is Levi’s insistence that Osama bin Laden’s attacks on civilians, including those on 9/11, are fully and completely justified and that Osama bin Laden and his radical Islamists are not to blame for their own behavior.
Actually, it’s the exact inverse of that. I’m not demanding that other people pay for my needs, I’m arguing that I don’t mind paying more so that other people’s needs can be paid for.
And you are lying, Levi.
Because if you truly believed that, two things would be taking place:
1) You would be taking the money out of your own pocket NOW without the government compelling you to do it
2) You and your fellow “progressives” would actually be paying the taxes you owe now, instead of cheating on them, as is fully endorsed and supported by the Obama Party and the Obama administration.
So progressives like you are freeloaders and tax cheats, Levi. We have proof.
Furthermore, Levi, your lies on this have already been demonstrated — by your own Obama administration, which admits that its “reform” is going to raise health care costs even faster and, quote costs would go up.
Again, you are outclassed, child. Your rantings clearly are neither fact-based or intelligent, and in fact are solely the result of your delusional adherence to your faith-based Marxist and redistributionist ideology.
Now let’s demonstrate how the lying Levi plays his little games.
Levi blabbered and screamed above:
If you spend all year supporting terrible policies that do nothing but damage our national security and needlessly put American servicemen and foreign innocents in harm’s way
And then when confronted with “progressive” hero Bradley Manning, Levi spins the following.
To date, there hasn’t been a spike of violence against American troops since the Wikileaks release.
And what WAS the Wikileaks information, perchance?
Hundreds of Afghan civilians who worked as informants for the U.S. military have been put at risk by WikiLeaks’ publication of more than 90,000 classified intelligence reports which name and in many cases locate the individuals, The Times newspaper reported Wednesday.
One specific example cited by the paper is a report on an interview conducted by military officers of a potential Taliban defector. The militant is named, along with his father and the village in which they live.
And has the Taliban been known to carry out attacks on villages where they torture and slaughter innocent civilians to get at one target? Why yes, yes they have.
So this information, provided by “progressives” like Levi, is guaranteed to result in the deaths of innocent civilians. But does Levi care? No, because a “progressive” did it.
So what that makes clear is that you don’t care about torture or slaughter of civilians, Levi. You only care about bashing the United States.
Furthermore, Levi, what did you do when Valerie Plame, the Obama Party and “progressive” operative, was supposedly “outed”? You shrieked that this was a breach of national security, that it jeopardized hundreds of lives, etc., etc., etc.
But then when you and your fellow progressives hand over information on literally HUNDREDS of operatives, there’s nothing wrong with that, nothing will be affected, etc., etc. etc.
And now you’re going to run away because you’re a coward.
At this point, I think Levi has demonstrated that his only interest in coming to this website is to slander conservatives. He clearly has no interest in facts or debate, since he never provides facts and refuses to answer questions or respond to other peoples’ facts that demonstrate that his assumptions are incorrect.
I therefore propose that Levi’s posts be moderated and removed unless they contain the following:
– Clear, referenceable facts, provided with links
– Answers to questions posed to him
But the liberals were tired and bitching long before we had boots in country. “War for oil”, incessant screaming about “Quagmire”, “Another Vietnam” etc. That I have to spell that out for you is revealing. And let’s not forget that the rhetoric from the liberal left has been indistinguishable from bin Laden and others in al-Qaeda.
I’m not assigning anything. Just highlighting what you say. You assign your OWN negative qualities such as
That alone would cause any thinking person to dismiss you.
The rule of law was followed. For example, the law states that to claim torture, you have to prove intent. That’s an inconvenient truth to be ignored by dumbass liberals.
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Exactly which “international law”? Geneva says that you can’t put POWs on trial except for crimes they commit while in captivity. The liberals DEMANDED the guests of Club Gitmo be given a trial. Liberals wailed that you can’t hold prisoners indefinitely. Geneva says you can. Bush grabbed his ankles so assholes like you would STFU.
I said “those who are keen on forcing“, you brain dead fucktard. We have S. 277 and HR 5741 which are about forcing American people into compulsory service. That I have to spell it out for you is telling.
Not when it cuts off treasury revenues, no.
QUESTION:
QUESTION:
Is David Duke a ‘WHITE Supremacist’, or is he a ‘racist who happens to be white’?
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Is it fair to condemn all white people for the actions of David Duke? David Duke didn’t consult me before he opened pie-hole.
If we’re not allowed to give a description of our attacker, how will the police ever catch anyone? Is it racist to object when you civil rights are violated? Is it racist to describe your attacker?
YES, GOD DAMMIT… YES, the 911 attackers were members of the ‘Muslim’ community. If white people have an obligation to separate themselves from David Duke, then Muslims have an obligation to separate themselves from Islamic-Supremacists!
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Weren’t they sent in with the equipment and training the Clintonistas left them with? Wasn’t it Clinton who deployed the military more than any other President in history? Wasn’t it Clinton who sent “teenagers” to die WITHOUT the consent of Congress (the House actually voted no)? Wasn’t it Clinton who sent “teenagers” to die over the lie of 400,000 slaughtered Muslim Albanians? Didn’t Clinton use our soldiers to import the radical mujahadeen into the Balkans?
The fact that I have to point this out to you is telling. Wouldn’t the patriotic, troop-supporting thing to do be to keep team killing f*ktards on the left OUT of power and NEVER, EVER, EVER let them anywhere near control of the military or our national security again?
What’s the Party Approved message this week. Is Afghanistan the good war or bad?
Well, and those liberals have been proven right. Unless you’re suggesting that somehow their protests and criticisms were single-handedly responsible for the wars’ thousand failures, you don’t have a point here.
That’s bullsh*t. Again – you have nothing to do but compare liberals who have been vindicated on the war over and over gain except compare them to the most evil people in history.
The administration approved torture at the highest levels, does that not indicate intent?
Abu Grhaib, Guantanamo Bay, hundreds of peoples’ that have been released by Bush direct eyewitness testimony…
These aren’t POWs, they’re kidnap victims. We were rounding people up based on nothing and sending them around the world to be held without trial or counsel and to be tortured, sometimes to death. All of this was being done in secret, of course, and you would think that small government types would have a problem with their own government doing these kinds of things. But hey, party loyalty and hatred of Muslims trumps allegiance to your insincerely espoused political philosophy, so no harm no foul.
What are you talking about? Who is keen on forcing you to do anything? What any thinking person would see as a suggestion, you’re interpreting as forcing people into service?
Oh I see – so cutting taxes is actually the patriotic thing to do because then the treasury has more money, right?
Well, maybe if Clinton knew that his successor would use the military as an occupation force in the desert for the next few decades, he might have done things differently. But how do you plan for such brazen stupidity?
If you think you can avoid the issue by trying to get me to defend Democrats, you’re mistaken. Again – the bottom line is that the conservatives that are supposedly so pro-military have committed our armed forces to an impossible mission made all the more impossible by Republican carelessness, stupidity, and greed. You’d like to think of yourselves as national security experts, and all these wars have done is deplete our military, demonstrate to the world the limits of our power, make liars out of the United States government, revoked our status as morality leaders, boosted the strategic advantage of Iran in the region, and turn the conservative movement in this country into a feverish and insane group of paranoids and bigots.
And you’d like to pretend that Clinton’s record is half as bad? Please. The invasion of Iraq is the stupidest decision that any American has ever made.
And Levi prattles out his lies of torture again despite there being findings that it’s everything but. Poor poor little Fascist Levi is, trotting out the big lie over and over.
Keep in mind that Saddam Hussein had been in violation of the Ceasefire almost as soon as the war ended. Keep in mind we did find chemical weapons. Keep in mind that Hussein was under obligation to prove his WMD were destroyed. He didn’t. Keep in mind we did find aircraft he was supposed to have had destroyed. I’ve seen the photos of my little brother standing on the wing of one.
BTW, This is called a link. Note how Levi doesn’t use them. This also backs up again what I’ve said, and in fact, points to where Levi ignores the facts.
It is funny that Levi is trying to say that no one is ‘forcing’ community service. Well what’s funny is that it’s exactly what Levi wants, to drag people to do things against their free will. He’s said so. (Note again how he can’t refute my description of him. It’s kind of hard when I quote and link to his own words).
And with this:
Levi again shows he fails economics.
Furthermore, Livewire, Levi has already stated that he doesn’t care about torture when it’s his Islamist friends or the people like Saddam Hussein who are doing it. As I pointed out above, Levi fully supports and endorses the enabling of the murder, torture, and imprisonment of Afghan civilians by the Taliban, and in fact encourages it to be done.
Levi supports the torture, imprisonment, and oppression of brown people for oil money. That’s why Levi and his ilk shrieked so loudly when the US invasion cut off the gravy train of bribes that Levi, his fellow “progressives”, and the UN were receiving.
Now it’s not Levi’s fault that he supports killing brown people for oil. I mean when you believe that Arabians can’t understand democracy, I guess leaving them to suffer instead of trying to liberate them is fine.
Personally, I’m horrified to see such an abhorant racist attitude, but what do you expect from a socialist?