Both Parties Fail on DADT repeal
My party has not covered itself in glory in the way it has handled repeal of the Clinton-era Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell (DADT) policy. Instead of considering repeal on the merits, all too many Republicans have opposed repeal not, in most cases, because of animus against homosexuals, but in order to throw a bone to social conservatives who want some assurance that Republicans are paying attention to them.
Democrats, on the other hand, have been trying to kick the can down the road, avoiding a vote so as not to risk offending those big-government social conservatives in their own (shrinking) coalition. They had hoped that the slavish support they receive from such lickspittle organizations like HRC would help them hold the gay vote, but they didn’t count on the failure of gay left bloggers to toe the party line.
Leftie bloggrs like Pam Spaulding and John Aravosis continued to speak out against legislative inaction on repeal, even threatening a boycott. In response to their threats to boycott the DNC, congressional Democrats finally acted. But, since his party was going about playing base politics, Senate Majority Harry Reid, now sliding in the polls, decided to throw a bone to another interest group, by tacking the DREAM Act onto the “defense legislation that includes the repeal.”
Now, with Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) who backs repeal joining the Republican filibuster, “because Democrats wouldn’t allow the Republicans sufficient leeway to offer amendments“, it looks like repeal won’t be possible before the November elections.
Both parties have failed on this issue. Reid should have not kept delaying a vote, allowing the issue to become further politicized. Republicans should not paid more attention to conservative arguments for repeal, many based on the numerous studies showing that allowing gay people to serve openly would not compromise unit cohesiveness nor military readiness. Instead all too many rushed to flash some silly credential to social conservatives, ever in need of validation.
Save for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN), gay organizations have also failed. With a leadership drawn from a partisan Democratic base, HRC hampered its ability to lobby Republicans. And by failing to endorse George W. Bush in 2004, Log Cabin undermined its credibility as a Republican organization, thus compromising its ability to influence Republican legislators.
This is a sad day. A stupid and counterproductive policy remains in place.
UPDATE: GOProud’s Christopher Barron blames Reid (he’s not the only one):
Just now on the floor of the Senate, Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell offered a consent agreement that would have allowed for a vote on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal and provided a fair framework for the debate. Unfortunately, Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid rejected this offer – and as a result, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal has died in the Senate.
The defeat of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal lies solely with Harry Reid and the Democrat leadership. Harry Reid is playing political games with the lives of the brave gay men and women serving in our military. It’s clear now that Lady GaGa should have held her Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal rally in Nevada instead of Maine.
UP-UPDATE: Pam Spaulding also thinks the Senate Democratic leader is the problem, telling me in an e-mail (which I quote with her permission), “Reid is the real problem at this point. By banning GOP amendments, he’s going to lose this cloture vote. He’s so petty that he didn’t include SLDN in the presser his office coordinated.”
UP-UP-UPDATE: Even Log Cabin is faulting Reid:
The Log Cabin Republicans are troubled by the parochial political actions of Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) who has refused to compromise with Senate Republicans by holding a full and open debate on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Rather than reaching a compromise allowing for ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ to be repealed, the Senate has postponed action until after the election.
“Obviously, we are disappointed. Senator Reid failed to reach a compromise with Republicans and our military servicemembers will need to wait until the November elections are over for the US Senate to vote on a repeal.” says R. Clarke Cooper, Executive Director, Log Cabin Republicans. “This partisan arrogance is an example of why voters will be turning away from Democrats on November 2nd.”
Nice to see another Log Cabin leader taking the Democrats to task.
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Dan,
I think you have it backwards. Sen. Reid put DADT and DREAM to poison the bill. Knowing that they couldn’t get it passed, but that it would be a sop to their base, not SoCons. Let DADT repeal and DREAM stand on their own merits, and don’t short circut the process, then you can blame Republicans if it goes down.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 2:12 pm - September 21, 2010
Hi, as a military guy and card-carrying queer, I just want to offer a suggestion: Don’t make DADT the big gay issue. Repealing it won’t make life better for almost anyone, but it will make life a lot more difficult for gays who would have no privacy after a repeal, and cadre who have to manage a lot of sexual tension in their units. Sometimes when a community like GLBTs wants to fight for respect, the urge is to find a rallying point like this. But the problem is that the military has been used too many times in the past to advance the agendas of people who will never serve. Folks who never served want troops to fight their wars for them. Folks who never served want troops to be high-profile sufferers in order to stigmatize the unpopular president who sent them to war.
And now, folks who have never served want troops to prove or disprove their social theories in a big social experiment.
I may be gay and a Soldier, but I feel used. I think there are better ways to win gays acceptance in society. Using other people who grapple with enormous stress already isn’t the way to do it.
Comment by Coco Rico — September 21, 2010 @ 2:22 pm - September 21, 2010
A few days ago, there was a “3 things should know about Islam” thread which presented Islam in a distorted and false form based on its worst stereotypes. As we debate DADT once again, I hope we will see how distorted and false is the image of gays which is being presented by the opposition. Perhaps seeing ourselves being portrayed in the worst possible light will prevent us from portrayiing other groups, such as Muslims or undocumented workers, in the worst possible light.
But probably not.
How is the gay community’s desire, as Americans, to overturn DADT different from Muslims, as Americans, wanting to build a mosque at Ground Zero, since the only argument against it is that it makes some people mad? And that some people attribute to Muslims and gays the worst possible motives for what they want to do?
Comment by Ashpenaz — September 21, 2010 @ 2:32 pm - September 21, 2010
This website is pathetic. You’re all a bunch of wimps. We get it. Your racist parents hate you for being gay so you vote alongside them in hopes that one day you’ll be accepted back into your families. You’re a bunch of cowards.
How about this, for “study”; look at every other country that allows LGBT citizens to serve openly in the military. Look at every country that doesn’t.
See what company the US of A is currently keeping. This entire nation should be ashamed of itself, and this website should change its name to “American Eunuchs”.
You have no balls, no integrity and no class. “Gay Patriots”, my ass. You’re a bunch of cowardly Jewcatchers.
So, thanks.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 2:33 pm - September 21, 2010
by the way, thank GOD your hero John McCain didn’t win, eh?
Hasn’t he been amazing these last few months? Bigotry on parade!
And to think, you guys sit her criticizing Obama. Look at your party’s chosen man. He’s an insult to America and to every soldier.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 2:50 pm - September 21, 2010
Ashpenaz, seriously, do you believe that a whacked-out drug addict fame whore like Lady Gaga is doing her “advocacy” against DADT out of concern for military readiness?
Hell no. Neither does anyone else.
Just as no one believes that the “Ground Zero mosque” is about reconciliation. Its pushers have openly stated that their goal is to have a trophy for what they consider to be a triumph of radical Islam.
Coco phrased it nicely. These are fame-whore issues, being manipulated by people who don’t give a damn about the military or Islamic relations. And they should be treated accordingly.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 21, 2010 @ 3:09 pm - September 21, 2010
And case in point.
Notice how all the anti-American and antireligious bigots like Little Kiwi are so in favor of DADT repeal?
Now why do you think bigots and people who openly hate and attack the US armed forces would want DADT gone?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 21, 2010 @ 3:13 pm - September 21, 2010
Look at your party’s chosen man. He’s an insult to America and to every soldier.
As compared to the chosen man of the gay and lesbian community?
The gay and lesbian community’s “chosen man” gave classified information to the enemy with the direct intention of getting his fellow soldiers killed.
This is what you support, Little Kiwi. Own up to it.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 21, 2010 @ 3:18 pm - September 21, 2010
Amen LiveWire.
Bravo! CocoRico.
Wow. I’m not certain where to begin; though I think some committee has to be formed (that’ll get the Dems on board) to study why it is Dems/Liberals can’t get out others’ past, but ignore their own. I mean, really, 22 months later it’s still Bush’s fault AND 22 months later, the man who says he won’t run again for Prez and who hasn’t led anything in twice as many months is being touted as our leader?
And Ash..gays a Muslims in the same sentence? Two entirely different aspects of law and consideration regarding that attempted analogy.
But, for my part: none of this should be before the Senate or the House now. The agreement (see bipartisanship, compromise and “public support for”) was to wait for the completion of the military’s report on the effect of phasing out DADT. Notice it doesn’t say IF it’s phased out. It quite clearly indicated ‘when’ and ‘how’ regarding the removal of DADT. The Dems reneging on the agreement WAS and this amendment bullshit IS just political grandstanding and self-promotion.
Congress would seem the lackeys if they allow the report to come back first and if they deign to have the military follow it’s own pullout plan regarding DADT. I’m betting they’ll ‘demand’ the DADT change be immediate so they can be seen as ‘doing something for the homos.’
Comment by rodney — September 21, 2010 @ 3:21 pm - September 21, 2010
Notice how all the anti-American and antireligious bigots like Little Kiwi are so in favor of DADT repeal?
Hard not to notice. (And did you check out the name of his blog? Boy’s got some issues, Ah tell you what.)
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 3:23 pm - September 21, 2010
Coco makes some good points about being used as a political marker by various groups (by both the Elaine Donellys of the world and some GLBT groups) but there are conservative considerations too in repealing DADT. As someone who was never in the services, I approach this from the standpoint of the taxpayers who rely and value the armed forces for protecting us from harm. During these times of heightened threats it is egregious to be eliminating valuable resources from the military (in particular the Arab linguists) simply because of their personal lives. And to make up for this self-imposed shortage of soldiers, we get a portion of recruits with criminal backgrounds who in some cases pose their own threats to public safety. Then there is the taxpayer dollars that should be going to personnel and equipment to protect us instead being directed at the unnecessary discharges. It is galling to be aware of this each time I shell out more of my hard earned money to the government.
DADT is NOT by any means a conservative practice (after all it was imposed by a Dem Prez) and weakens the stability of our armed services.
Comment by PopArt — September 21, 2010 @ 3:28 pm - September 21, 2010
The good news is, DREAM Act Stealth Amnesty Bill went down, too.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 3:34 pm - September 21, 2010
I am glad the legislative “repeal” failed. It was a turd sandwich for all involved.
Now that LCR v. USA will not be mooted by legislative action, a permanent injunction against enforcing DADT can be issued in 3 days.
Let’s see what Obama does about it.
Comment by Jeremy — September 21, 2010 @ 3:38 pm - September 21, 2010
Jeremy’s comment translated: Democracy Bad, Judicial Tyranny Good.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 3:42 pm - September 21, 2010
I agree Senator Reid poisoned the defense appropriations bill with both DADT repeal & the Dream Act within this primary bill; as a result, during a contentious election season, I expected this result. DADT deserves to have its own bill–not as some kind of attachment to an unrelated bill. Reid is using the gays & Hispanics as pawns for the midterms.
Comment by Sebastian Shaw — September 21, 2010 @ 3:45 pm - September 21, 2010
V, thanks for the news. I fumed when I read on the Hill yesterday, Reid had the votes for the Dream Act; he must have been bluffing. The Dream Act is political suicide even on election off years; therefore, just before the midterms is just madness.
Comment by Sebastian Shaw — September 21, 2010 @ 3:49 pm - September 21, 2010
V the K: It is good. When democracy defies the Constitution, the Judiciary should smack them down. It’s the way it has been done since 1803.
I know, I know, you all are gonna argue about how judges should have no power, or that states should be allowed to be dictatorships, or how the Constitution doesn’t apply to gay people. But your arguments are futile– because it’s going to happen. The fact is, judges do have power, they can review and strike out unconstitutional laws, and DADT is blatantly unconstitutional. It doesn’t matter one bit what Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Mullens, Gates, service members of any sexual orientation, the American people, or the family dog thinks. They must obey the Constitution, as it is interpreted by our Judicial Branch.
Not a goddamn thing any of you think or say matters. You will be despised by Conservatives, despised by gays, and in the end, gays will win, without you making a difference one way or the other.
Comment by Jeremy — September 21, 2010 @ 3:52 pm - September 21, 2010
Jewcatchers?!?!
Where do these people come from?????
Comment by GayPatriot — September 21, 2010 @ 4:16 pm - September 21, 2010
The Mideast, mostly Bruce.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 4:24 pm - September 21, 2010
It was the tacked on crap that failed this thing, this so-called DREAM act and wasn’t there something else hidden in it as well. DREAM my a**. And Little Kiwi – I have the name of a good therapist for you, way too much vile coming out – Jewcatchers???? wtf?
Comment by Leslie — September 21, 2010 @ 4:33 pm - September 21, 2010
Add Obama to this as well for blame. Yet ANOTHER item he lied through his effing teeth about in 2008. I’m glad I didn’t vote for him, yet I seriously regret voting for that other putz McCain. I’m not voting for any more putzes.
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 4:54 pm - September 21, 2010
*sigh*
Little Kiwi here is not Anti-Religious. Little Kiwi is a proud openly gay member of the United Church. We ordain gay ministers, we accept and embrace LGBT people, and we perform marriages for LGBT couples. You know, the way Christ would have.
The “Ground Zero Mosque” is neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero. Only a willfully ignorant bigot with a xenophobic mindset would not understand that.
Religious freedom means religious freedom, not just religious freedom for right-wing Christians. That would be, ahem, Hypocrisy.
McCain, a Republican is anti-gay. Filibustering against repealing DADT.
Answer me this, why is it that for nearly 20 years Canadian LGBT citizens have been able to serve openly? Are Canadians biologically less inclined to bigotry than Americans? How can it be that they’re able to do it, yet you think US soldiers won’t?
By the way, “Jewcatchers”, Jewish people who passed for gentiles and sold out their own to the Gestapo in order to save their own asses. That’s “Gay Patriots” for ya.
You all need to look up the meaning of the word “Equality”
The American national anthem and pledge of allegiance are LIES. LIES.
Any non-bigot would in favor of repealing DADT. Only a bigot thinks that it’s a problem.
You people are the scum of this country, and you’re as shameful and embarrassing as those who opposed Integration. Who, most likely, are your parents and grandparents….
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 4:58 pm - September 21, 2010
The only way allowing LGBT people to serve openly would “weaken” the military is if you people believe that the vast majority of military people hate gays more than they love their country.
Is that your belief? That hating gay people matters more than defending and representing America?
Do you fools not realize how STUPID you’re making America look and how much you’re insulting the brave men and women who serve, gay AND straight?
You’re saying that a soldier isn’t afraid to die by a sniper, but is afraid that his fellow soldier might have a boyfriend off-base. That a soldier sends a message of love home to her girlfriend, or wife, and not her husband.
When you’re on the battlefield in conflict, you don’t care what orientation the person you’re fighting alongside is; you care that they’re the best person trained for that mission.
You anti-gay bigots are the scum of this country. And you’re on the losing side of history. Congrats. You’re the new anti-Integrationists.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 5:01 pm - September 21, 2010
@John. Amen to that! I’m glad my Dad talked me out of voting for Obama but no way was I voting taking-it-up-the-$$@-from-Jerry-Falwell McCain either. I wrote in Hilary Clinton.
Comment by PopArt — September 21, 2010 @ 5:02 pm - September 21, 2010
by the way, V the K, your blog’s racism and bigotry prove me right. So thanks!
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 5:04 pm - September 21, 2010
Little Kiwi – Obama and I hold the same views on gay marriage. So, he’s a bigot too, right?
Comment by GayPatriot — September 21, 2010 @ 5:05 pm - September 21, 2010
Kiwi – the Imam who parked his butt in front of the Park 51 complex to rally its support called it a “mosque” just yesterday.
Hmmm… who to believe?
Comment by GayPatriot — September 21, 2010 @ 5:06 pm - September 21, 2010
“Both parties have failed on this issue.”
What bullshit spin on this.
EVERY Republican voted against this, only two Democrats did.
This is another victory for Republicans in their efforts for social dictatorship, it’s more just good old fashioned Republican bigotry… as American as apple pie.
Comment by David — September 21, 2010 @ 5:06 pm - September 21, 2010
PopArt: Hillary might have handled this better than Obama, it apears almost anyone could in comparison to that incompetent boob, yet we’ll never know for sure and I’m not a big fan of hers anyways. Election 2008 had some suckass choices all around.
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 5:11 pm - September 21, 2010
EVERY Republican voted against this, only two Democrats did.
To the everlasting shame of each and every one of these SOBs. Having said that, your favorite party by no means gets off the hook. Blame lies with Obama for every dirty political trick he used to stall, delay and then only give a half-assed repeal attempt right before a midterm election. Right before an election when both parties are ALWAYS at each other’s throats? Are you effing kidding me??? Now I realize that Reid is to blame as well but Obama is still the head of the Democrat Party as president. Face it: Obama and the Democrats totally lied, took your money and stabbed everyone in the back on this for politics. Dirty business and their actions do not surprise me in the least.
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 5:16 pm - September 21, 2010
Why exactly would any Federal Republican lawmaker support the gay community when the gay community has only worked to elect Democrats since 1970??????
If it comes down to pure politics (as Harry Reid assured), the gays in America lose because they have banked their futures on the Democrat Party above all other principles.
(See: radical Islam)
Comment by GayPatriot — September 21, 2010 @ 5:20 pm - September 21, 2010
A sad day for this country.
Comment by Proud Liberal — September 21, 2010 @ 5:30 pm - September 21, 2010
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gays_military
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also voted against the measure as a procedural tactic. Under Senate rules, doing so enables him to revive the bill at a later date if he wants.
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Isn’t Harry assuming that he will still be the Senate Majority leader, after the November slaughter?
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Comment by gastorgrab — September 21, 2010 @ 5:38 pm - September 21, 2010
“Why exactly would any Federal Republican lawmaker support the gay community when the gay community has only worked to elect Democrats since 1970??????”
Because Republicans and their religious Taliban right-wing base have stood consistently against gay civil rights.
Next question?
Comment by David — September 21, 2010 @ 5:39 pm - September 21, 2010
Dan, What the hell? This wasn’t a vote on gay issues alone and shouldn’t be consider as such. It was an attempt to force negative votes for the fall campaign so the Demoncrats can tell the rubes “we tried.” I know I wrote my senator screaming about the DREAM act being attached. That’s why debate was cut off so no one could try to amend the monster. Business as usual from our Chicago machine.
and what’s happened with the comments? You got a whole new bunches of trolls since I was last here. You feeding them or what?
Comment by Kevin — September 21, 2010 @ 5:47 pm - September 21, 2010
Gastrogab, Senator Reid’s vote against the bill is procedural so he can bring it up again.
Comment by Sebastian Shaw — September 21, 2010 @ 5:51 pm - September 21, 2010
If I’m not mistaken, both the Manhole and Sidetracks up on Halsted both started offering free wi-fi today, so of course, the lesser of our community felt the need to chime in with their usual nonsensical bullshit.
Suck it up, ladies. If you think you’re pissed now, just wait til November.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 5:53 pm - September 21, 2010
V the K, your blog’s racism and bigotry
Translation: I made fun of Jesse Jackson yesterday.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 5:59 pm - September 21, 2010
“Suck it up, ladies. If you think you’re pissed now, just wait til November.”
Another self-loathing gay Republican exited about having his civil rights crushed by the Republican party.
Comment by David — September 21, 2010 @ 6:01 pm - September 21, 2010
As much as I would like DADT to be repealed, I cannot support this legislation. It’s the Democrat re-election campaign. It is a farce. It is completely unconsidered. Now, DADT will have less chance of repeal as well as less chance of Amnesty with the defeat of the DREAM Act. The Republicans won and they won ugly, but you really need to blame the Democratic machine for another attempt at ramming down unpopular measures. Anything they touch instantly becomes unpopular from the way they handled the legislation.
Comment by anon23532 — September 21, 2010 @ 6:04 pm - September 21, 2010
Kevin, fair criticism and well said.
Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — September 21, 2010 @ 6:06 pm - September 21, 2010
Now I’m sure David will be able to list all the civil rights he’s had violated.
Maybe he means the passage of DADT, oh wait, Democrats.
Or maybe he means DOMA, oh Democrats.
MAybe he means that gays were excluded from CPAC. Oh, wait…
Ot maybe he means the law that President Bush signed where those evil Republicans denied gay people their 401k oh yeah, that didn’t happen.
Poor trolls… so long on accusations, so short on facts.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 6:21 pm - September 21, 2010
Gay Patriot, I get it. You’re ashamed of being gay and suck up to the Republicans in your life in hopes that their bigotry will be deflected off of you and onto those horrid, left-liberal gays that you owe your very LIFE to.
You show me a Gay Republican with a pair of actual balls and I’ll show you a unicorn.
The spin is pathetic and endless. We get it. Your parents are ashamed of you. You wish you weren’t gay. You’re self-hating reluctant gay (white!) men, you’re racist, you’re xenophobic, and you’re cowardly slaves in front of your families. So you use the bodies of Out and Proud LGBT people as human shields. You’re pathetic. Grow some balls you fucking cowards.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:21 pm - September 21, 2010
Gay Republicans are just cowards. “Oh, mommy and daddy! I know you hate the gays, but what if i cut my balls off and do everything you say and we just try to forget the gay thing?”
Shame on all of you. You’re pathetic excuses for men, and you’re the scum of this great country.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:26 pm - September 21, 2010
Check it out, you insipid little twat: you know absolutely shit about me, nor would I ever condescend to gratify your obnoxious view of the world with anything other than scorn, so you’ll be kind enough to rest easy knowing that the only thing I loathe are those who think themselves important enough to speak for me.
In other words: piss off.
See ya in a few weeks, bright boy. Do yourself a favor and find yourself a support group; you’ll need it.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 6:26 pm - September 21, 2010
Yet another of life’s winners heard from.
Your parents must be ever so proud.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 6:27 pm - September 21, 2010
There does seem to be a bumper crop of trolls here, that’s for certain.
I guess Kiwi finds it more ‘gay friendly’ to negotiate with nations that are funding terrorists and killing Americans, oh, and hanging gays, than allowing debate.
Besides, 43 votes? With Lisa Murkowski (Herself – AK) out of town. Look that means two democrats. Isn’t this the bipartisanship we’re always hearing the libs lament the lack of?
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 6:30 pm - September 21, 2010
“Your parents must be ever so proud.”
well, we’ve marched in the pride parade together every year. so yeah, i think they are.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:30 pm - September 21, 2010
By the way, for those of you who might be interested…
Our new friend “Little Kiwi” graces us all with his presence today after spending what seems like an eternity at his own little blog, which apparently hasn’t been able to muster so much as a single comment from what I was able to observe.
So much for the old adage that “misery loves company.” In Kiwi’s case, he suffers alone.
Cute dog, though.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 6:31 pm - September 21, 2010
Little Kiwi, are you here to address the points we make or just to insult us. For never once in the various and sundry comments that you make do you reference what I actually said in the post to which you attach all those comments.
Had you actually read that post, you’d know that I criticized the GOP therein.
Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — September 21, 2010 @ 6:33 pm - September 21, 2010
How is it that Canada has allowed LGBT citizens to serve openly for nearly 20 years, and Americans are afraid of it?
Are Americans just biologically inferior to Canadians? Are Americans more genetically prone to bigotry?
What’s the holdup, folks? If you gay conservatives are doing such a great job, why doesn’t the GOP that you support SUPPORT YOU!?
What ‘debate’? You wimps are too busy avoiding “gay issues” in your party, and your PATHETIC bigoted families. You’re not representing gay people at all. You’re saving your own asses by sucking the cocks of your enemy. You’re scum, crawling in the mud, and none of you have any balls whatsoever.
Stand up to your parents for a change. Saying “Don’t worry Daddy, I’ll be gay but against gay marriage! I’ll vote with you on everything!” in hope that they’ll respect you one day is such cowardly bullshit.
Oh well. You’re the ones who have to live with yourselves. Thank God my horrible liberal family accepts and embraces me for who I am.
feels good, too 
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:35 pm - September 21, 2010
Eric, I’m sorry your family is ashamed of you. PFLAG can help
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:36 pm - September 21, 2010
“Gastrogab, Senator Reid’s vote against the bill is procedural so he can bring it up again.”
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Yeah, but one of the first things that occurs when new legislators are seated is that they establish the rules by which the Senate & House will operate. If the Senate changes hands, then Harry is out of luck!
Right now there is a rumor going around that the legislature could adjourn as soon as Friday. If neither the House or Senate is allowed to impose their own rules on the next congress (established during the early 1970′s, i think), wouldn’t it mean the end of this set of Senate rules?
My point: Did Harry Reid lie about his motivation?
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Comment by gastorgrab — September 21, 2010 @ 6:44 pm - September 21, 2010
Our new friend “Little Kiwi” graces us all with his presence today after spending what seems like an eternity at his own little blog, which apparently hasn’t been able to muster so much as a single comment from what I was able to observe.
That’s slightly less pathetic than Lisa-Nannette from the thread below, whose blog literally has a post begging her reader(s) to get friends to read the blog.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 6:45 pm - September 21, 2010
How many democrats are needed for them to keep promises. They are a joke.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — September 21, 2010 @ 6:45 pm - September 21, 2010
gastorgrab #52, it won’t happen until January of 2011. That’s when the new congress will be seated and that’s when they can change the rules.
Regards,
Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — September 21, 2010 @ 6:48 pm - September 21, 2010
*yawn*
enjoy deluding yourselves with laughs. my family loves me, embraces me, and fights for my equal rights. Your families only tolerate you on the grounds that you grovel before them like wimps.
quite simply, my family loves me and your families don’t love you at all.
Sorry. That must suck
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:50 pm - September 21, 2010
Wow, so much projection from the little fruit.
Come on little Kiwi, celebrate bipartisanship!
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 6:54 pm - September 21, 2010
Isn’t that how you win friends and influence people, The_livewire?
Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — September 21, 2010 @ 6:55 pm - September 21, 2010
You guys “win friends” by cutting off your own balls. So, congrats.
Yuck it up. You all prove me correct. You don’t do shit to help the LGBT community, it’s all about sucking up to your republican families who HATE that you’re gay.
Must suck. If my family didn’t love me I might become a self-hating homo, too. Luckily those lefty-liberals I was raised by love and support their children unconditionally. It’s a lovely feeling. Shame you’ll never know it.
Enjoy your long winding road to the middle, wimps
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 6:59 pm - September 21, 2010
Addendum:
I just realized how sad the Gay left is.
Harry Reid introduced a defense budget bill, and then loaded it with two politically charged ammendments (DREAM and DADT). He then forced a vote for Cloture and can’t keep his own party together. Just to try to drum up support among the base. So he’s playing with a) the troops b) the illegals (who shouldn’t be voting anyway) and c) the gay left borg for political votes. And like abused puppies, they get kicked and keep coming back, hoping fr even abusive attention, and calling it love.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 7:05 pm - September 21, 2010
<— Proud Canadian.
At least the "Gay Left" don't have to beg their parents to love them. Our parents already love and accept us. As we are. One of the benefits of a liberal family.
By the way, if any of you voted for McCain, you can't complain about Obama. Did you see McCain today? He thinks you're bad for the country. Just like your parents do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dydh5NIxRZo
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 7:10 pm - September 21, 2010
“And like abused puppies, they get kicked and keep coming back, hoping fr even abusive attention, and calling it love.”
That’s gay republicans. Your families are ashamed of you, none of your Senators support you or champion your equality, and yet you still hate “liberals”….because your parents hate liberals. and you hope that one day they’ll love you again.
and they won’t.
because they see you for what you are.
weak little wimps.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 7:21 pm - September 21, 2010
Are you kidding me with this guy????
His little slice of online heaven being so barren and bereft of like-minded (albeit stunningly pretty) buffoons, he wanders here and simply can’t stop the hate.
I loves me some leftist “tolerance.”
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:25 pm - September 21, 2010
This is my favorite…
Really??? I’m co-writer of a major, Emmy-winning series. I have a wonderful partner in my life of over 10 years. I paid off my mother’s house 20 years ago, and am surrounded by friends and family that will appreciate that I was here on this earth with them long after I’m gone.
Yeah. They’re all so ashamed of me.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:28 pm - September 21, 2010
Has anyone asked Kiwi yet why, if his parents are ever so proud of him, why not even they could be bothered to offer up a mercy
fuck…err…comment over at his blog?I was just wonderin…
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:30 pm - September 21, 2010
I’ve never seen a party in such disarray I today Democrats.
Todays polls now show the Republican AHEAD in WV!!
With Mirkowski in the race in AK, Miller is ahead by double digets.
I think the potential loss of DE may wake up conservatives in WV, CA and WA to make the switch to Republicans. Obama campaigned for Sestak here in PA and the next day he fell even more behind….now 10 pts.
Anything anti Obama anti Democrat is in vogue.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — September 21, 2010 @ 7:31 pm - September 21, 2010
Oh please, if I had had a REAL choice neither man would have received my vote for different reasons. Face it: we’re screwed no matter which party gets into office despite the pretty rhetoric and lies they’ll dish out to win. Obama flat-out lied on DADT, ENDA, UAFA and of course DOMA. Was McCain any better on any of these? Nope, not at all. Yet he didn’t lie about being a “fierce advocate” on these. Obama did.
Why the hell do you think a vote on a half-assed DADT repeal provision was scheduled so close to a midterm? it sure as hell wasn’t because this White House or the Democrat leadership were “fierce advocates” on repeal. Nope, if they were serious this vote would have been scheduled a year ago, Obama would have expended some political capital to get it through and the Republicans inclined to vote for it wouldn’t have felt the pressure of an impending midterm to punt the ball. Instead, we’ve had nothing but the worst liberal agenda which has scared the ever-living crap out of enough voters, myself included. So let’s review: with the GOP we get Big Brother thanks to the social cons, along with zero credibility on spending, while with the DNC we get Big Brother trying to control our lives from cradle-to-grave and spending enough money to bankrupt our country. Great choice! /sarc
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 7:33 pm - September 21, 2010
There was NO failure by Republicans here. Republicans voted against amnesty and subsidized college tuition for people who are in the country illegally.
The real failure was Democrats.
And poor pathetic victims like Little Kiwi get bitch slapped by their pimps yet AGAIN. And then defend their abusers for doing it. That’s called “battered wife syndrome” and shows who the real self-loather is around here.
Two question these pathetic victocrats need to ask themselves is, if Democrats really supported repealing DODT, WHY didn’t they pass it as a stand alone bill when they had a filibuster proof majority? Why dont they pass it as a stand alone bill right now when they are one vote away from a filibuster proof majority and many Republicans if not most would join them in voting for it?
The answer is because you’re a self-loathing battered wife.
And beyond pathetic.
Comment by American Elephant — September 21, 2010 @ 7:35 pm - September 21, 2010
keep telling yourself that, Eric
your family thinks you’re a disgrace. and you know it.
your parents are just still pissed that Integration was forced on them.
I’ve never been prouder to be Canadian.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 7:36 pm - September 21, 2010
And just like that…John enters the room and makes the case succinctly, coherently, and completely.
Good work, man. Impressive.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:36 pm - September 21, 2010
This poor simp is making this so much fun, I should be indicted for abusing the mentally challenged.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:38 pm - September 21, 2010
Dream Act should never had been part of a defense bill, so I want to know just what did the supposed “leaders” of the gay community do during this time. Did they make call after call after call to harry to make him pull this out of the defense bill so that it would have passed or did they fall in lockstep with their party…STOP GIVING THEM MONEY!! If they were not makeing call after call after call then they are just as much at fault as harry reid and the dems… And Dan ..WTH? …. why are you blaming the repubs on this vote. In my opinion they were right on this. Harry was trying to manipulate ..you are usually much smarter on this stuff. I’m kind of baffled here on this point from you.
Comment by left leaning lesbian — September 21, 2010 @ 7:40 pm - September 21, 2010
I’m a Canadian. MY country supports me. 20 years of LGBT OUT military service. Fully recognized LGBT marriages. And adoption rights. If you’re transgendered, most Provinces will cover the gender-reassignment surgery under our universal healthcare plan.
life is pretty rad.
I just feel so bad for my LGBT brothers and sisters in America, a country that is slow to embrace diversity. You were slow to give up slavery, slow to end segregation, and now you’re slow to get rid of government-sanctioned anti-gay discrimination.
Not ONE Republican Senator, the people you support, supports ANY of you. You are refuse to see that.
You all need to grow a pair of balls. Voting GOP won’t make your racist and anti-gay parents respect you. It just proves to them that you hate yourself. You’re all willing slaves to an unworthy master.
No wonder LGBT rights are behind in this country, look at you sad-sack wimps.
Best of luck.
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 7:41 pm - September 21, 2010
Hey Little Bitch, what kind of military does Canada have without the US? Not a whole hell of a lot.
Except on their website, it’s called a Mosque. Not only is that entire section of Manhattan “Ground Zero”, but the Mosque planners have openly bragged about building a Mosque at Ground Zero.
Obama, a liberal, didn’t talk to the gay media even once and campaigned with all sorts of racists, sexits, bigots and homophobes. McCain did sit down to an interview with the gay media.
But it’s cool to have an unapologetic Judenrat finance the liberals, right?
Do you realize what a complete and utter ASS you look like, Little Bitch, for ASSuming you know, without reading the blog, that we’re for it.
Epic FAIL, Little Bitch.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 21, 2010 @ 7:41 pm - September 21, 2010
Congrats! Just out of curiosity, which series are you referring to? Sorry if I don’t recognize your name but I haven’t had TV for a few years now, having given it up because I was tired of paying for nothing but crap. I usually keep tabs on shows I like via iTunes, NetFlix, etc. now but am always behind because I hear about good shows much later than others.
I did a quick Google search, you aren’t Eric Christian Olsen are you?
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 7:42 pm - September 21, 2010
Thanks to the liberal left.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 21, 2010 @ 7:43 pm - September 21, 2010
I never cease to be impressed how other homosexuals insist upon making me one of their “brothers,” and when I tell them, “no thanks,” they become all manner of riotous, butt-hurt troglodytes.
And now, apparently, some delusional, Canadian glory-hole fanboy wants to get in on the action.
I feel better already!
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:44 pm - September 21, 2010
If you’re transgendered, most Provinces will cover the gender-reassignment surgery under our universal healthcare plan.
Meanwhile, you wait six months for an MRI, breast cancer patients are refused treatment, and pregnant women are sent to the USA to deliver because there aren’t enough beds for them.
But the state will pay for genital mutilation.
Hell of a system.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 7:44 pm - September 21, 2010
Hey America, what wars have you won without Canada’s help? mhmm.
and still, you don’t think American soldiers can function alongside openly-LGBT people? really? Why? Are Americans biologically predisposed to bigotry? They care more about hating gays than protecting America?
What’s the logic?
Here’s the numbers. They speak for themselves. If you gay conservatives are trying to change the party toward LGBT-Equality from the inside, you’re doing a damned shitty job.
NAYs —43
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-MA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting – 1
Murkowski (R-AK)
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 7:45 pm - September 21, 2010
Little Kiwis lambs will never stop screaming because the only place they exist is inside her deranged, deluded, pathetic, imbalanced head.
Comment by American Elephant — September 21, 2010 @ 7:47 pm - September 21, 2010
You guys buy the lies Fox News tells you about the Canadian healthcare system? HILARIOUS.
you all doom yourselves.
And Eric, love the boasts that you can’t back up. I don’t buy it for a second.
And now pretending it was the GOP that ended Segregation? HA!
thanks for proving me right, wimps.
no wonder your families are ashamed of you. they don’t respect you because you don’t respect yourselves.
ten bucks says your mothers are all really regretting not having those abortions…
*SMOOCH!*
Comment by Little Kiwi — September 21, 2010 @ 7:48 pm - September 21, 2010
No, not that one.
I’m truly sorry for having dropped my career into an online flame war with some hateful Canadian. I just tend to get a little offended when said Canadian has run out of coherent points and begins telling me my mom is ashamed of me.
Having said that, I’m ill-disposed to go any further into my work. Hope you good people here understand.
Now has the drunken sot left the party yet???
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:48 pm - September 21, 2010
I take back the “glory-hole” comment. Wouldn’t want to insult the guys who frequent glory holes by comparing them to THIS wonderful example of love, grace, charity and tolerance.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 7:50 pm - September 21, 2010
The Democrats chose to lose this issue by making it an “add-on”
They tacked it onto a larger bill so they could tell their base “they tried.”
If they really wanted to try, it would be a a bill unto itself. Republicans would have to expose themselves by explaining their opposition to the issue, rather than their opposition to the underhanded Democrat tactics.
Democrats gave up a chance to humiliate Republicans because they truly do not want to own this issue.
Gays and other-than-whitebread Americans are to be used by Democrats for their votes, hopefully this will become clear in the coming weeks.
Comment by The Rude Dog — September 21, 2010 @ 7:52 pm - September 21, 2010
Little Kiwi,
You are definately filled with more hate than I have ever seen, and you are giving the gay community in Canada a bad name. You must be a truly self loathing individual.
Comment by Jon — September 21, 2010 @ 7:53 pm - September 21, 2010
Quite a number, actually. I have nothing against Canada myself and consider it to be an ally but if you want to make this a pissing contest, okay. The better question is how many wars has the US needed Canada’s help to win? The answer is obvious: none.
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 7:53 pm - September 21, 2010
No, we buy the “lies” the Canadian healthcare system tells us.
Again, where would the military of America’s hat be without the US?
Interestingly, HRC’s Joe Dirtyknees says in an e-mail:
That would be the SAME DoJ who fought hard to DEFEND DADT. That, Little Bitch, was a lawsuit brought by “self-loathing Jewcatchers”.
Further, if Chairman Obama was so f*king worried about DADT, why didn’t he do anything about it while he was in the Senate?
“Oh, but it would have failed.”
As I recall, he brought up legislation for a Rosa Parks postage stamp no less than FOUR times.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 21, 2010 @ 7:58 pm - September 21, 2010
Kudos for the even-handed original post about how both parties failed here.
Comment by BenD — September 21, 2010 @ 7:59 pm - September 21, 2010
I know nothing about that Eric Olsen as well but the photos that turned up from the quick search show him to be quite handsome.
Understandable. I generally ignore such rhetoric myself because they only betray their own ignorance. Kiwi knows nothing about my family or my relationship with them, no matter what he wishes to claim.
Well you mentioned an Emmy so that sparked my curiosity. I’ve gone through a number of enjoyable series via iTunes now (no commercials, yay!!!!) and am always looking for something new I might like.
Ha! Do they use such Britishisms in Canada like this?
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 8:00 pm - September 21, 2010
The same number Canada has won on its own.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 21, 2010 @ 8:00 pm - September 21, 2010
So, how many leftist cliches has the strange little Canadian who named himself after a slutty twink in a crappy work of gay “literature” indulged in so far?
1. Can’t address the topic of the original post – check
2. Can’t construct an original argument – check
3. Talks in cliches – check
4. Stereotypes and namecalls opponents – check
5. Calls his opponents racists – check
6. Bashes the USA – check
7. Brags about unverifiable achievements – check
Has he cut and pasted anything from a left-wing blog yet? I haven’t really been paying attention.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 8:02 pm - September 21, 2010
John, you rock! I just noticed you’re “AverageGayJoe!” Are you the same cat who used to comment here back before the ’04 elections???
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 8:02 pm - September 21, 2010
I’m all in favor of suing if possible (i.e. if a there is a constitutional issue here), but two things:
1. The Obama Administration will either appeal the district court ruling, which SCOTUS will more-than-likely overrule, or they’ll simply ignore it (see the Witt ruling).
2. What’s this “we” crap, Canadian?
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 8:05 pm - September 21, 2010
John, you rock! I just noticed you’re “AverageGayJoe!” Are you the same cat who used to comment here back before the ’04 elections???
I don’t think I was commenting back then, you might be thinking of the 06 & 08 elections. Even so yes, ’tis I. More disgruntled and really, really appreciating Mercutio’s dying words more than ever.
Comment by John — September 21, 2010 @ 8:09 pm - September 21, 2010
Well, 20 minutes and no further spew from “the strange little Canadian who named himself after a slutty twink in a crappy work of gay “literature” (good one, V
).
I think someone just got tossed onto the “ash heap of history” by the management.
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 8:09 pm - September 21, 2010
Nice Shakespearean reference!!!
Comment by Eric Olsen — September 21, 2010 @ 8:10 pm - September 21, 2010
You guys buy the lies Fox News tells you about the Canadian healthcare system? HILARIOUS.
How about the ones the Canadian court system tells us?
The court ruled that the waiting lists had become so long that they violated patients’ “life and personal security, inviolability and freedom” under the Quebec charter of human rights and freedoms, which covers about one-quarter of Canada’s population.
“The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread, and that, in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care,” the Supreme Court ruled.
So why do you hate freedom and liberty, Little Kiwi, since your own court system states that your socialized medicine violates both?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 21, 2010 @ 8:19 pm - September 21, 2010
And isn’t Canada STILL England’s little bitch? Seems like I recall something from school that we were able to get out of that sort of thing.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 21, 2010 @ 8:45 pm - September 21, 2010
Two possibilities: the Justice Dept. won’t appeal the recent decision striking down DADT or President Obama issues an exec order stopping enforcement of DADT after the elections.
Comment by Mike — September 21, 2010 @ 8:48 pm - September 21, 2010
And isn’t Canada STILL England’s little bitch?
No, it’s America’s Hat
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 8:49 pm - September 21, 2010
Little Kiwi, the Pineapple called & wants you back in the pina colada.
Comment by Sebastian Shaw — September 21, 2010 @ 9:23 pm - September 21, 2010
ruh row
For now Chambliss’ spokesperson has issued a preliminary statement:
“We have seen the allegations and are moving quickly to understand the facts. This office has not and will not tolerate any activity of the sort alleged,” Chambliss spokeswoman Bronwyn Lance Chester said. “Once we have ascertained whether these claims are true, we will take the appropriate steps.” The comment was posted on Joe.My.God., a blog dedicated to gay and lesbian issues. “All [gays] must die,” wrote a commenter identifying himself as “Jimmy.” Blog author Joseph Jervis of New York City used the Internet Protocol address attached to the comment to trace the slur to “the neighborhood” of Chambliss’ office in Atlanta. Readers quickly helped. “Among the fields in which gay people are over-represented is the IT field,” Jervis said. The office of U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson is in the same area. But a spokeswoman for Isakson said his staff quickly ascertained that the message did not originate with them.
Comment by rusty — September 21, 2010 @ 9:26 pm - September 21, 2010
First, thank you Dan for an even-handed post.
Second, here’s the question. If the repeal of DADT had been put up for a vote a year ago, all by itself, not as a rider or as part of some arcane legislative maneuver, how many Republicans would have voted for the repeal? Yes, it’s a hypothetical question, but I find it difficult to believe that you would have gotten any more votes out of the GOP a year ago than you got today. And isn’t that the point?
Has Obama displayed a profile in courage on DADT? No. Politicians who believe they own a certain voter segment rarely feel the need to feed it, and for better or for worse, the Democrats believe that they own the gay vote. Republicans pander to the religious right because if they don’t, that segment stays at home or votes for third party candidates. So far, I have not seen the gay segment of the US punish the Democratic party when their needs have been ignored, and the Democrats won’t take them seriously unless and until they sit out an election or two.
It’s the same reason why I tell fellow gun owners not to worry about Obama driving anti-gun legislation through the Congress. He does not need to. He already owns the voters who would want him to do that – and they won’t leave him just because he has not pushed that legislation. But, pushing anti-gun legislation would alienate moderates and independents, and without a pay-off, why should he do that?
Obama is not stupid. You may hate his tactics or his politics, but if you call him stupid, you make the same mistake that folks made with George W. Bush.
Comment by Phil Holmes — September 21, 2010 @ 9:27 pm - September 21, 2010
B. Daniel, thanks for confirming my belief that most gay conservatives are really social liberals working to marginalize social conservatives in the conservative movement. I mean, your bitter whine about Republicans voting against the repeal of DADT in order to throw a bone to socons sums things up quite well.
And socons are in constant need of validation? Are you kidding me? The people who are ever in need of validation are homosexuals. Gays want DADT repealed and gay marriage legalized solely to validate their sexuality. After all, if your sexual behavior gets that Golden Ticket of state approval and the military says you’re ok, then you’re ok! So B. Daniel, if you have a problem with validation whores you need to chastise your own people because they’re the worst ones.
Comment by Seane-Anna — September 21, 2010 @ 9:27 pm - September 21, 2010
CONFIRMED: via JMG
Senator Saxby Chambliss Admitted “All F###ots Must Die” Comment Came From His Atlanta Headquarters
Comment by rusty — September 21, 2010 @ 9:37 pm - September 21, 2010
A new low in the Pathetic Attempt to Smear Republicans competition. Somebody posted a trollish anti-gay comment within a ten-block radius of a Republican senator’s office…
Guilt-by-Association? Try Guilt-by-General-Geographic-Vicinity.
Truly pathetic.
Comment by V the K — September 21, 2010 @ 9:37 pm - September 21, 2010
Mason
September 21st, 2010
5:49 pm
This “investigation” smacks of religious persecution. Whoever made the comment was just paraphrasing the Holy scripture: “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13) Our laws should reflect God’s law, right? This is a Christian nation after all.
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/09/21/a-traced-slur-in-the-aftermath-of-a-debate-over-%E2%80%98don%E2%80%99t-ask-don%E2%80%99t-tell%E2%80%99/
Comment by rusty — September 21, 2010 @ 9:49 pm - September 21, 2010
Welcome back Seena-Anna,
Since you’re going to hell with the rest of us, want me to save you a seat?
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 9:56 pm - September 21, 2010
Wow, how did I piss off the filter?
Comment by The_Livewire — September 21, 2010 @ 9:58 pm - September 21, 2010
Yeah, but Queen Elizabeth is still the monarch over Canada.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 21, 2010 @ 10:04 pm - September 21, 2010
Phil, there were at least 3 Republicans that were prepared to vote for the bill today, until Sen. Reid unveiled his “no debate & no amendments and all you Republicans just sit down, shut up, and pass what i tell you to!” act. I’m sure there were also some that might have been more inclined to cast a vote for it, had it not included Harry Reid’s pathetic attempt to court the Hispanic vote with “The Dream Act”.
I support the repeal of DADT (and DOMA) but I was glad that this bill failed because while the bit about repealing DADT might have been great for the GLBT community, the dream act would have been disasterous for the entire country. Aside from that the fact that Democrats agreed to wait until the military studies were concluded in December but instead of sticking to thier word, tried to do an end run around that doesn’t sit well with me. They tried to shove the add on into a bill they knew Republicans would be loathe to vote against and if it failed it was a win-win because they could say, “We gave it our best shot.” and they could also say, “Republicans don’t support gays, or the military, or immigrants!”. It wasn’t about helping GLBT Americans, it was about helping themselves score brownie points with their base and get one over on Republicans. Of course, all of this would be completely irrelevant if they had just had the balls to propose repeal a year ago, when they had the votes to do it, but they are gutless and they don’t believe in anything strongly enough to actually fight for it, unless it’s their seat in congress.
Comment by Kristie — September 22, 2010 @ 3:01 am - September 22, 2010
CONFIRMED: via JMG
Senator Saxby Chambliss Admitted “All F###ots Must Die” Comment Came From His Atlanta Headquarters
Oh, I see rusty likes to play games.
Here’s one: rusty and the Obama Party support gays and lesbians who sexually molest children.
And meanwhile, while we’re quoting comments, how about this nice list of ones provided from JoeMyGod calling for the deaths of gay conservatives and their families?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 22, 2010 @ 3:04 am - September 22, 2010
I have been following this DADT thingie, and quite frankly Little Kiwi would be better known as “Little Egypt” (any Elvis fans here?)
Here are some observations:
1. DADT was not a piece of legislation. It was an Executive Order written by William Jefferson Clinton.
2. There should be no further action on repeal until the Military Services (encompassing all of them) get back with the results of their surveys.
3. I would have thought that if DADT was created by EO then an EO could have been written to reverse it….
4. Senator John McCain has a lesbian daughter. I doubt that he would have voted against this repeal if it had been introduced as a single item.
5. It is not the civilian gays or even civilian straight people views that matter – it is the views of the Military!!!!
6. Dirty Harry pulled a dirty trick. He included the DREAM Act as well as DADT in a bill that was not related. He refused to allow for amendments. This is all Dirty Harry’s fault because at least two Republican Senators would have voted for the Bill except for the inappropriate addition of the DREAM Act..
Now, all of this is about something that failed cloture. Does that mean it is so dead that it cannot be revived?
BTW I do not think much of Little Kiwi with his brand of faux Christianity. He uses Scripture in a rather scurillous way, attributing things to Jesus that is simply not Scriptural. The Scripture itself is quite clear on the subject of marriage where Judeo-Christianity is concerned. I could add quite a bit on the subject but the big lie for Little Kiwi is the comment that Jesus would have “married gays”. That is wrong for any number of reasons. The most important reason is that Jesus was not a priest in the Jewish tradition at the time, even though he was referred to as “rabbi” meaning teacher.
Comment by StraightAussie — September 22, 2010 @ 4:47 am - September 22, 2010
For God’s sakes, someone get Little Kiwi a therapist! I would offer mine but I think the job is too overwhelming. Such vitriol……
Comment by Leslie — September 22, 2010 @ 3:43 pm - September 22, 2010
Dirty Harry did not pull any tricks. The republicans did. If you DVR C-SPAN, you’ll see that the republicans got their amendments in on 9/16. What Mr. McConnell decided to do at the last minute was to ask that his party be allowed the unlimited ability to add amendments. Mr. Cornyn of TX (whom the Log Cabin Republicans are giving an award to, which is sad considered he always votes against gay rights) and Mr. McCain of AZ, to name a few both stated that they were voting against the defense authorization BECAUSE of DADT. Also, While President Clinton may have issued an executive order in the beginning to start DADT (as opposed to a flat-out ban on homosexuals), it did pass into legislation. Please review title 10, subtitle A, part II, chapter 37 section 654 of the US Code, titled, “Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces”, your DADT legislation is there in black and white. And one other thing, the military is here to serve the public, not the other way around. So if the public tells the military to end discrimination, it must. So many excuses being made by gay republicans for their republican representatives in Congress (and the few Democrats), when the sad fact is, they voted against the bill because of DADT. Review any of the amendments made in prior years, such as opening up ANWR to drilling, making internet gambling illegal, etc. so the excuse that this amendment is not related is bogus. What happened is that the republicans added amendments in the past, when they were in power and now that they are not they are crying fowl.The hypocrisy of the party shines through. And lastly, this vote was to end debate and move to a vote. Don’t take my word for any of this…DO THE HARD WORK OF RESEARCHING IT rather than repeating what you hear.
Comment by SharpShooter — September 22, 2010 @ 11:06 pm - September 22, 2010
Really sad, how self-loathing and hating gays like SharpShooter beclown themselves to protect their Obama Party massas.
You have to wonder if there’s anything SharpShooter would oppose if it came from his Obama Party massas. But like a good lapdog, he sits there and spins for Harry Reid.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 23, 2010 @ 1:32 am - September 23, 2010
What’s really good is his “Do the hard work of researching it.” Funny how I provide links, he provides bile.
Face it, Harry Reid decides to slip in DADT, along with legislation for illegals. He holds teh gheys in the same level of contempt he holds liberals, yet the kicked puppies of the left limp back to their masters, thanking them for the ‘love’.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 23, 2010 @ 6:45 am - September 23, 2010
I tried my best to blog fully about this:
http://colorfulconservative.blogspot.com/2010/09/both-parties-are-screwing-gays-over.html
I agree, both parties are screwing us over.
Comment by Coco — September 23, 2010 @ 4:33 pm - September 23, 2010
quote from little kiwi:
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Answer me this, why is it that for nearly 20 years Canadian LGBT citizens have been able to serve openly? Are Canadians biologically less inclined to bigotry than Americans? How can it be that they’re able to do it, yet you think US soldiers won’t?
By the way, “Jewcatchers”, Jewish people who passed for gentiles and sold out their own to the Gestapo in order to save their own asses. That’s “Gay Patriots” for ya.
You all need to look up the meaning of the word “Equality”
The American national anthem and pledge of allegiance are LIES. LIES.
Any non-bigot would in favor of repealing DADT. Only a bigot thinks that it’s a problem.
You people are the scum of this country, and you’re as shameful and embarrassing as those who oppos
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Actually, most of us are victims of gay left oppression. Sadly, some are more scarred then others by the groupthinking leftists.
Republicans aren’t any more intolerant overall then Democrats. Myself, I’m a bit less extreme then these guys; I admit the Democratic party isn’t any more intolerant then Republicans (as opposed to Democrats being *a lot more* intolerant).
Groupthinkers do not represent my best interest, regardless of whether they are on the far right or the far left. I would probably vote against a groupthinking candidate who promised greater gay equality; groupthink politics is inherently oppressive, and any promises for equality are false.
Fascism is fascism, right or left. Mercifully things are a lot better these days and improving, but groupthinkers still manage to mess up all our lives.
Comment by joeedh — September 23, 2010 @ 10:36 pm - September 23, 2010