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MSM Takes Note that Gay Voters Not Democrat Monolith

In analyzing the gay vote in the 2010 elections (that Bruce blogged about here), the Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart almost sort of gets it:

If you want more data that gay men and lesbians are pretty much just like everyone else — worried about the economy, freaked out about the direction of the country and perhaps ticked at the slow pace of change with regard to their civil rights — get a load of this exit poll result.

Well, not entirely.  I’m still trying to figure out what he means about civil rights.  If the issue were civil rights, we already have them.

Of course, I was being sarcastic in the first sentence in the previous paragraph; I know what he means, but if we understand the term before it was politicized, well gay people have long had those rights.  Government, as Thomas Jefferson understood, does not give us rights.  It is our Creator who endows us with them.

Government, however, can take them away.  And governments, at least here in the United States, have not prevented us from living in civil society, assembling free, speaking out publicly and voting.  Yes, I know that many gay activists are upset that Congress has not acted on certain legislation near and dear to their hearts — and two bills I believe they should act on, but those bills are CRINO (Civil Rights In Name Only).

That said, it’s nice to see the mainstream media, albeit only in one of their blogs, start paying attention to the fact that gay people have the same concerns as other Americans.   Capehart notes that some (probably including himself) might find the 31% of the gay vote Republicans drew as “amazing, especially when you consider that way too many people think being gay and voting Democratic are one in the same.”

But, it’s only amazing to those who live in a Beltway cocoon and/or learn about gay people from the press releases and public statements of HRC and other such groups — as well as their echo chamber in newspapers like his.

That he takes commentary from GOProud Jimmy LaSalvia does show that he’s willing to disabuse himself of some of his Betlway prejudices about gay voting behavior.

One more thing.  I wonder if more people voted Republican than the polls suggested, given that many gay people who support the GOP don’t advertise their partisan inclination for fear of earning the ire and/or indignation of their politicized peers.  (That is, some gay people who vote Republican would refuse to take the surveys of exit pollsters.)

NB:  Fixed an egregious error in this.

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  1. 31% of the gay vote for Republicans isn’t a big deal. Plus what does the “gay vote” mean exactly? Does the 31% include the closeted gay men who are married to women, but secretly have sex with men on the side?

    In this week’s election, the most motivated voters were conservatives & Republicans (including gay conservatives). In general, many gays & younger people & liberals who are disillusioned with Obama & the Democrats right now, stayed home this week instead of voting at all. So even with an older, & more ‘conservative’ gay electorate than usual, still a very clear majority of openly gay people went for the Democrats.

    Could the 31% of gays who voted for Republicans be an under-estimate because the conservative gay individual in West Hollywood or the Castro feared that his gay brethren would find out he voted Republican? Maybe.

    But then again, the liberals & Democrats who live in most of Orange County and places like Bakersfield & Fresno keep their political preferences secret as well, for the same reasons as the conservative gays in West Hollywood.

    Comment by James — November 5, 2010 @ 4:21 am - November 5, 2010

  2. #1: “Does the 31% include the closeted gay men who are married to women, but secretly have sex with men on the side?”

    CNN doesn’t say. Why don’t you ask your customers if they went to the polls on Tuesday?

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 9:17 am - November 5, 2010

  3. “MSM Takes Note that Gay Voters Not Democrat Monolith”

    ————

    That’s actually a warning.

    The mainstream media has declared it’s intention to villain-ize Gays during the next campaign cycle, who don’t conform to their government assigned identity.

    YOU WILL ALL BE PUNISHED!
    .

    Comment by gastorgrab — November 5, 2010 @ 9:24 am - November 5, 2010

  4. #3: “The mainstream media has declared it’s intention to villain-ize Gays during the next campaign cycle,…”

    As opposed to every other election cycle where the MSM has given gay Republicans a free ride.

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 9:37 am - November 5, 2010

  5. Well, there goes the narrative that the GOP must emphasize social issues to be successful. This election cycle, social issues took a back seat and the focus was on economic issues. Look at the dividends that it yielded: a GOP triumph and a chance to get the USA on its feet again. A swipe that I can’t place anywhere else: after these results-who needs term limits? Voters are able to clean house by themselves, thank you very much.

    Comment by Jim Michaud — November 5, 2010 @ 11:56 am - November 5, 2010

  6. Jim, in another thread, one of my readers noted that the two Republicans in “purple” states (Nevada & Colorado) who said some strange things about gay people were the ones who were defeated.

    You’re in Maine, right? So, tell me how we won the legislature there. :-)

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 12:13 pm - November 5, 2010

  7. Jonathan Capehart is a long-closeted, now semi-open gay who likes the idea of gay Republicans. His blog is not exactly the MSM covering gay conservatives. Even Capehart dismisses the claim of the exit poll pushed to him by GOProud and warns them that this was a very tiny sample not to be trusted as being reliable. “That should put an end to their dancing in the end zone,” he concludes.

    Comment by equality4all — November 5, 2010 @ 12:42 pm - November 5, 2010

  8. awww look, our lying little troll is back, complete with his fals arguments, lies, slander, and lack of evidence to back up his statements.

    If I played for the other team, I might be interested in him. It’s pretty clear he’s a bottom, who loves to be beat on.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 12:57 pm - November 5, 2010

  9. To claim we already have our civil rights is pure ignorance mixed with misguided religious idealism treated as de facto reality, and totally devoid of historical context.
    Gays have been arrested by religious conservatives for centuries, and still are today in many parts of the world. Gays here who rail against judges who “legislate” have forgotten that it was only through our courts that Sodomy laws were finally overturned so recently. If the courts had not protected our constitutional rights, gay bars could still be raided, gay teachers could still be fired (as Tea Party icon Jim DeMint continues to demand) and we could be facing the same fate that many American religious Rights activists are working for around the world as we speak:
    imprisonment, forced reparative therapy for our thought crimes and even execution by law or mob rule with the fires being fanned by American religious conservatives.
    Uganda is not the only place where gays have been lynched in the last few weeks. Several nations in the Caribbean, in other parts of Africa, in Indonesia and parts of Asia open to evangelicals. The American relgious Right has elements of it that want the same “solution” to homosexuality that Islam offers, brutality to wipe us off the face of the earth.
    And they have the money and manpower to make it happen. American conservative evangelical groups like “The Family” the ADL, The AFA, and too many more to list here have sponsored the speakers and funded the efforts to imprison and kill gays.
    The Christian church has a 2,000 year history of torturing and killing gays. The word “Faggot” literally means kindling wood and it became associated with people accused of being gay because so many times when someone was walking to their death they had to carry their own faggot. And a “flaming faggot” was literally the one who was right in the fire, burning to death. The means of execution was chosen over stoning because death by fire is the most painful possible way to die.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 1:06 pm - November 5, 2010

  10. First, Jerome, I’m talking about the United States in 2010. Second, please tell me which civil rights we lack. And second, please provide any evidence that anyone has succeeded in following through on Jim DeMint’s loopy demand that gays be prevented from teaching.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:12 pm - November 5, 2010

  11. There are so many comments throughout this blog where gay sexual practices are used as the substitute for thought, and in the most demeaning of ways. It’s pure homophobia run rampant. This supposedly gay blog has more anti-gay attacks on it than anything outside the Muslim world. This is the “God hates fag” crowd on here, not any actual gay Republicans. Those very rare creatures who call themselves “Gay Republicans” are the ones who are destroying themselves as they ignore what writerJerome pointed out.

    Comment by equality4all — November 5, 2010 @ 1:22 pm - November 5, 2010

  12. Dan, here in Maine the GOP captured both house and senate by focusing on economics. Lower taxes, get more businesses interested in Maine and lessening the dependency on welfare. The only race I can think of in which SSM was an issue (there were articles in the local papers about this) was the District 85 House race (the district comprises the town of Skowhegan). NOM sent fliers throughout the district that blasted the incumbent Democrat’s support for the SSM bill. Skowhegan voted strongly against SSM in the ensuing referendum. But the flier was so unprofessional and tasteless that the GOP candidate spoke out against it. The result: in a GOP sea surrounding Skowtown (as it’s affectionately known here), the Democrat won. Can you say “backfire”? Here’s the kicker: my twin sister lives in Skowhegan. She’s strongly against SSM (yes we have our, ahem, disagreements). I hope she realizes that sometimes NOM can be a curse.

    Comment by Jim Michaud — November 5, 2010 @ 1:22 pm - November 5, 2010

  13. Jim DeMint didn’t just go off his meds one day. His call for job discrimination against gays is the norm. You can still be fired right now for being gay in 35 states in the US.
    Conservatism has been led in America by Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority in the 1980′s, Pat Robertson and his Christian Coalition in the 1990′s, Dr. Dobson with bogus research from NARTH in this decade. Dobson hates gays worse than murderers and compares us (as so many of his kind do) to child molestors, drug addicts, animal rapers, etc.
    NARTH, founded by Dr. Socarides, whose “treatments” are so successful he couldn’t cure his own son, Richard, who served President Clinton as an openly gay man. And NARTH is the home of Dr. George Rekers, let go months ago when he was caught with a male escort he’d hired from Rentboy.com who Rekers claimed he’d hired to “lift his luggage.”
    These are the people that the Gay Patriot is chiding gays for not following, the religious Right is the most active part of the GOP. Wake up and look at your own blog. It’s filled with anti-gay scorn in comment after comment. Gay sex is the ultimate insult here on this “GayPatriot” blog.
    And your beloved party in its official platform no longer mentions gays exist except to indirectly stab at us as a threat to the traditional family. They see gays as a danger to kids, as they openly said in Prop 8 ads and NOM runs on everywhere. They lay it between the lines in the GOP national platform so they can keep taking the money of gay Republicans. They hate you but they will gladly take your money to position themselves to marginalize and recrimininilize you.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 1:27 pm - November 5, 2010

  14. writer Jerome, if you want me to respond to your points, please address mine.

    After all, you come to my blog–not I to yours.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:29 pm - November 5, 2010

  15. Jim, thanks for the reply and the good news. Glad to see that it was fiscal issues which helped the GOP.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:30 pm - November 5, 2010

  16. FYI, as I suspected, writerJerome and equality4all have the save IP address

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:32 pm - November 5, 2010

  17. to B. Daniel Blatt:
    Up until SCOTUS so recently decriminalized Sodomy, we gays had no civil rights of any kind. To be gay was to be extra-legal. Gay behavior was a crime.
    The civil rights we still lack today, a decade and a half since that judical activism saved us from being outlaws, we lack serious things:
    Right now in many states gays can be barred from the hospital bedsides of their sick or dying “partner” (I hate that word, so impersonal like a business agreement), and I was personally barred from attending the church where my own child was being eulogized just because I was openly gay.
    We gays also currently lack the right to not be fired from our jobs for being gay (which also happened to me),
    to not be discriminated against in housing (both of which are still happening in many parts of the country), the right to marry, the right to serve in the military (without purgery).
    Your civil right to exist is not as safe as you assume, B. Daniel. The religious Right continues to advance the theory that gayness is passed like a disease, and that gays are dangerous to children. The ex-gay groups teach people they can get healthy again so they stop passing it on to the young. Many of your own commenters prove that there is raw hostility towards anything or anyone who is gay.
    You have readers here who attack people for being gay, being a bottom, sucking a dick, blah, blah blah. Open your eyes to your own followers. The twisted mental gymnastics you go through to avoid the obvious facts here that gay conservatives are an oxymoron are the same kind of twisted logic a battered woman uses to stay with her abuser.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 1:39 pm - November 5, 2010

  18. You mean, before Lawrence v. Texas, we couldn’t vote, assembly peaceably to protest our grievances or otherwise participate in civil society.

    Once again, Jerome, if the sometimes over-the-top comments of my readers represented my point of view, then so too do yours, given that you post comments to my posts.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:42 pm - November 5, 2010

  19. B. Daniel Blatt, We shouldn’t have to explain this; it should be private. My friend James is with me here. He thought I was wrong that a gay blog would attack people for being gay. He’s the more idealistic of us. But you prove my point, you will “out” gays and betray their confidences if it is to your advantage. You are a current day collaborator with the sworn enemies of gay people. Anyone who does not read books by the religious Right, like “The Gay Swastika” or “The Unhappy Homosexual” by Tim LaHaye, who has sold tens of millions of books (including the runaway best-selling “Left Behind” series), and is oblivious that the religious Right sees gays as the worst of all possible sinners, worse than murderers, etc.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 1:47 pm - November 5, 2010

  20. B. Daniel, you repeatedly scold me for my comments that are factual and historic, and you refuse to scold those who use anti-gay slurs. That shows where your thinking is better than anything I could say.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 1:53 pm - November 5, 2010

  21. And how do you come to the conclusion that I will “out” gays? It’s lefty gays that do that. Can’t think of a single conservative gay who does such things.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:53 pm - November 5, 2010

  22. There are so many comments throughout this blog where gay sexual practices are used as the substitute for thought, and in the most demeaning of ways. It’s pure homophobia run rampant.

    But, of course, liberals never exploit “gay sexual practices” for purposes of ridicule.

    Except when they do.

    http://video.adultswim.com/family-guy/family-gay.html

    Comment by V the K — November 5, 2010 @ 1:55 pm - November 5, 2010

  23. B. Dan, when I came on here for my very first post, I only asked a question about where we will be as gays in the next two years and I was immediately attacked in the most vile and hateful ways I have ever experienced.
    And the thing that people hated most was my screen name “Equality4all”. Such a rabid reaction to the idea of equality for everyone reveals a lot, don’t you think?
    And by the way, I’m not as long-winded as Jerome.

    Comment by equality4all — November 5, 2010 @ 1:56 pm - November 5, 2010

  24. equailty, you are Jerome.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 1:57 pm - November 5, 2010

  25. B. Dan, if you go to the link on the name V the K, you will see that he took a photo of a naked child and then posted it for the purpose of making anti-gay “jokes” (attacks). You say nothing about this kind of thing, but you oppose the idea of equality for all.

    Comment by equality4all — November 5, 2010 @ 2:00 pm - November 5, 2010

  26. I am not sure how to prove I’m here with Jerome, but I guess it doesn’t matter. You’d rather attack Jerome than stop anti-gay attacks.

    Comment by equality4all — November 5, 2010 @ 2:01 pm - November 5, 2010

  27. Where? What photo, equality/Jerome? Post a specific, direct link to what you mean. And please make sure you’re not stupid first, i.e. that it’s not your own misunderstanding or misrepresentation.

    Then go to therapy for your obsessive game-playing.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 5, 2010 @ 2:03 pm - November 5, 2010

  28. Oh this is too good to pass up.

    “Up until SCOTUS so recently decriminalized Sodomy, we gays had no civil rights of any kind. To be gay was to be extra-legal. Gay behavior was a crime.”

    Yes, gays couldn’t vote, gays had to drink from different water fountains, blah blah blah. Interestingly, to equality4Jerome, apparently gay behaviour is the defining moment of being gay.

    “The civil rights we still lack today, a decade and a half since that judical activism saved us from being outlaws, we lack serious things:
    Right now in many states gays can be barred from the hospital bedsides of their sick or dying “partner” (I hate that word, so impersonal like a business agreement),”

    Apparently Jerome lives in a place where medical POAs don’t exist.

    “and I was personally barred from attending the church where my own child was being eulogized just because I was openly gay.”

    How dare those dame people use their right of freedom of religion to bar me from somewhere. I’m GAY damnit, I deserve first ammendment protections, not those, those… People!

    “We gays also currently lack the right to not be fired from our jobs for being gay (which also happened to me),”

    But firing straights for the same thing is perfectly fine. After all, any double standards should only be negative for those people

    “to not be discriminated against in housing (both of which are still happening in many parts of the country),”

    Yeah, only all gay communities should be allowed. Those people who own something shouldn’t put restrictions on me. I’m GAY damnit!

    “[T]he right to marry, the right to serve in the military (without purgery).”

    Again, I’ll defy you to find anywhere in the constitution for a ‘right’ to have a contract recognized by the state. Of course you can’t, you’re too busy spewing your vitrol.

    “Your civil right to exist is not as safe as you assume, B. Daniel. The religious Right continues to advance the theory that gayness is passed like a disease, and that gays are dangerous to children. The ex-gay groups teach people they can get healthy again so they stop passing it on to the young.”

    Let me turn this on its head. NAMBLA (and the safe school czar) continue to advance the theory that buggering small kids is a perfectly normal behaviour and not dangerous to children.

    ” Many of your own commenters prove that there is raw hostility towards anything or anyone who is gay. You have readers here who attack people for being gay, being a bottom, sucking a dick, blah, blah blah. Open your eyes to your own followers. The twisted mental gymnastics you go through to avoid the obvious facts here that gay conservatives are an oxymoron are the same kind of twisted logic a battered woman uses to stay with her abuser.”

    Kind of like supporting a VP candidate who can’t stand to be around gays, supporting a President who believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, etc etc.

    Now go away equity4Jerome, or I’ll taunt you a second time.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:03 pm - November 5, 2010

  29. equality, you and Jerome have the same IP address.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 2:03 pm - November 5, 2010

  30. Jerome says maybe B. Daniel Blatt and V the K are the same person. That would explain a lot.

    Comment by equality4all — November 5, 2010 @ 2:03 pm - November 5, 2010

  31. Of course pedophelia4Jerome again accuses V of being a pedophile, without any evidence to back it up.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:04 pm - November 5, 2010

  32. But of course, to equality4sockpuppets pointing out they’re the same person is ‘outing’

    So let me see if I have this straight (pun intended) slander, lies and misrepresentation are fine, but pointing them out isn’t?

    Whatever Jerome4all.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:08 pm - November 5, 2010

  33. The Deadwire proves how anti-gay this site is, she agrees that barring gay people from their own children’s funerals is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. She doesn’t care that right at this moment there are gay people dying without their partners being able to be at their bedside. She smugly assumes (incorrectly) that every gay person possesses such a legal document, that every state honors such documents, and that it doesn’t matter anyway. She’d rather such points be shut down than considered. and she threatens abuse if anyone dare have a different opinion.
    She goes on to make silly points, such as concluding I must be in favor of firing people for being straight. Obviously, this site is run by B. Daniel Blatt, a gay hating homophobe who revealis himself in his many other identities on here which explains why he won’t correct others if they are him (which is why he suspected other people of the practice since he routinely does it).

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 2:11 pm - November 5, 2010

  34. Oh, we are are, are we? And your evidence please?

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 5, 2010 @ 2:12 pm - November 5, 2010

  35. #9: “The American relgious Right has elements of it that want the same “solution” to homosexuality that Islam offers, brutality to wipe us off the face of the earth.”

    What a horrible existence you must endure, walking around thinking that large segments of the American population want to murder you. Clearly, you have to manufacture a delusion for yourself in which you are constantly under the threat of being killed in order to feel like your life has some meaning to it. The best I can surmise is that if you faced the reality that conservative Christians don’t think about you AT ALL and couldn’t care less about how you live your life–it would shatter the delusion that you’re being hunted like an animal and people are out to get you. Without that delusion, you can’t play the martyr. And if you’re not an oppressed victim, then your life is pointless. It’s really sad and you’re certainly not the first commenter on GP to exhibit this kind of syndrome–where you HAVE TO BE a victim because if you’re not, then you’re nothing. It’s just such a waste and it bears NO relationship to the real world. By the way, it’s also called accurately called “self-hating.”

    My parents are evangelical Christians and conservative Republicans who are committed to their church and their religious beliefs. They don’t have any interest in murdering me or any other homosexuals. In fact, they think I’m perfect and that I actually hung the moon. Moreover, they are extremely close with my partner of six years and treat him like a son (my parents regularly call him to chat directly because they adore him–it wouldn’t even occur to them that they would need to contact him through me just to say hi). I’m pretty sure they aren’t plotting to have him killed either. And it isn’t because my folks are exceptionally loving, or more evolved in some way, or take a “liberal” (gag) approach to the issue of homosexuality. They’re just really good people, like 99.99 percent of all other evangelical Christian conservatives that you have never met and never will meet.

    Unfortunately, it’s YOUR bigotry and ignorant prejudice that compels you to cavalierly reduce people like my parents (and others who have the same “profile”) into sickening, cartoonish, hateful, ignorant stereotypes that you cooked up in your fucked-up imagination and have absolutely no connection with reality or fact. It makes me sick, but I understand that you NEED to pretend that my parents and their fellow church-goers are out to “exterminate” you in order to give your life some purpose or meaning.

    So, do whatever you have to, but I can’t imagine living and thinking the way you do–purposefully manufacturing a homophobic house of horrors that surrounds you and validates your bitter, angry personality? It’s a waste. Meanwhile, us conservative gays will choose to enjoy our lives, be happy and pleasant, and generally not engage in spastic outbursts accusing lots and lots of people of trying to murder us.

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 2:13 pm - November 5, 2010

  36. Three days ago a gay man was savagely attacked and beaten by a mob yelling anti-gay slurs. Hate crimes legislation to halt these all-too-common tragedies are supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. How can I ignore that?

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 2:19 pm - November 5, 2010

  37. San Diego, November 2nd, 2010 – open your eyes, Daniel.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 2:20 pm - November 5, 2010

  38. sheep4Jerome is an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    Note, he actually does believe that his ‘rights’ are more important than others. The first amendment apparently doesn’t apply to people of religion, because Jerome’s GAY, after all.

    Then he goes back to the tired old cliche of “assumes every gay person has such a document.”

    Strangely enough, I assume every person is smart enough to get one. I had one, my partner had one. So apparently being intelligent and prepared shouldn’t be required for whinerJerome, because he’s GAY.

    Also note how all he can do is whine and name call, because he CAN’T meet my simple challenge.

    He wants protections to ‘keep him from being fired for being gay’ Yet thinks that it’s not special. He doesn’t mind if someone is fired for being straight mind you.

    If fact, equality4Jerome arguments are so weak, that he creates a sock puppet to post for him. When called on it, he at first complains that Dan is ‘outing’ his sockpuppetry, then claims that he invited his ‘friend’ over so he could see the site. Really? Then how is it you ‘two’ were both posting before?

    Gods, we need a better quality troll.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:21 pm - November 5, 2010

  39. Sean, let me see if I get this right then, by answering the hate monger’s questions here about what injustices gays actually endure, that means that I came here to play a martyr?
    With that kind of logic, teachers who teach history must want to die in old wars and journalists must want to attract tragedy into their lives.
    And the best part is where you claim that pointing out bigotry where it exists somehow makes me a bigot.
    This blog is okay with every kind of evil actually happening in our nation and world; what you object to is me pointing it out.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 2:24 pm - November 5, 2010

  40. “Three days ago a gay man was savagely attacked and beaten by a mob yelling anti-gay slurs. Hate crimes legislation to halt these all-too-common tragedies are supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. How can I ignore that?”

    In other news, Jerome thinks that it is worse to be attacked and beaten for choice of bedmates than for being attacked and beaten for his wallet. This just in, Jerome supports laws that criminalize his looking at straight men, since there’s clearly a hateful intent behind the looks that rises above just looking at a man. Since there’s intent, surely an additional penalty should be added.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:25 pm - November 5, 2010

  41. This just in….

    equality4Jerome supports higher penalties for assulting or robbing from rich people. Clearly the crime was motivated by their wealth, thus making this a hate crime against the rich.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:29 pm - November 5, 2010

  42. See guys? It’s working just as planned. The very notion that there are people who are gay AND conservative has driven poor e4a insane, causing his psyche to split into two different personalities, both of which seem to be stuck in the year 1980.

    Comment by Draybee — November 5, 2010 @ 2:33 pm - November 5, 2010

  43. Life_hater, I want to have the same rights as a gay man that every other American has. I don’t oppose people believing in their religion, as you falsely claim. I do oppose using that religion as the basis for denying my wedding, firing me from a job, keeping me from my loved one’s funeral or hospital room.
    I know that sounds radical to you, but I stand by it. It is only because of the very gay activists you despise that you enjoy the right to freely assemble with other gay people without fear of arrest, and hopefully when the Democrats finally pass “hate crimes” legislation, we will have far less gay bashings. You probably cheered the men who killed Matthew Shepard. I read about a gay conservative who said, “Well,some people deserve to be gay bashed.” That kind of thinking is similar to the logic here.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 2:33 pm - November 5, 2010

  44. You people have to spend all your time trying to kill the messenger because the real reason you find me dangerous is because I carry the truth. That is the worst enemy of a gay conservative.

    Comment by writerJerome — November 5, 2010 @ 2:35 pm - November 5, 2010

  45. #36: “Three days ago a gay man was savagely attacked and beaten by a mob yelling anti-gay slurs. Hate crimes legislation to halt these all-too-common tragedies are supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. How can I ignore that?”

    The only thing writerjerome/equality4sockpuppets is really upset about is that it wasn’t him that was “savagely attacked and beaten by a mob yelling anti-gay slurs.” There is absolutely nothing that professional victims enjoy more than being victimized. Well,…other than telling anyone that will listen about their tragic, haunting experiences being victimized.

    P.S. Love how writerjerome really thinks that the beating of a gay man by a mob yelling anti-gay slurs could have been “halted” if only the GOP had voted in favor of some legislation. Nothing transforms the character and morality of homophobic, violent criminals faster than Congress passing some new law authorizing “sentence enhancements.” I mean, if you want to stop school shootings, then for God’s sake put up a big sign that says “Gun Free Zone.” Duh!

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 2:41 pm - November 5, 2010

  46. #44: “You people have to spend all your time trying to kill the messenger because the real reason you find me dangerous is because I carry the truth. That is the worst enemy of a gay conservative.”

    Yes, that is why we find you dangerous–because you carry the truth, equality4all. I mean, writerjerome…oops, I mean equality4all,…ummm…writerjerome…

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 2:44 pm - November 5, 2010

  47. First:
    ““and I was personally barred from attending the church where my own child was being eulogized just because I was openly gay.”

    Now:
    “I want to have the same rights as a gay man that every other American has. I do oppose using that religion as the basis for denying my wedding, firing me from a job, keeping me from my loved one’s funeral or hospital room.

    Excpet apparently the freedom of religion and association. Also note how he STILL can’t find where there’s a right to have his marriage recognized by the state anywhere.

    My mom and her partner had a commitment ceremony. The cops didn’t shut them down. So you can have a wedding, congratulations.

    You havethe same protections against being fired for being gay that I do for being straight. Congratulations, you’re equal.

    You have the same freedom to have a funeral on your property for anyone you want. Congratulations, you have the same rights as those Christians you deride.

    Someone assaults you on the street, you have the same criminal charges you can press, ‘as a gay man’ that I have, as a (fat) straight man.

    You just can’t let go of your sock puppetry long enough to realize you don’t want to be equal, you want to be special. As long as you keep engaging in juvenile tirades, calling us ‘Jewish Nazis’ and the like, you’re special alright, but only in the short bus kind of way.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:46 pm - November 5, 2010

  48. Sean,

    I think the reason this site, and people like you (and to a lesser extent, me) scare lefties like equity4Jerome, is that they tear at the core of themselves.

    “You mean I don’t have to be a victim? You mean there are people who will support me and accept me for what I am and choose to do? You mean I won’t be tarred and feathered, or forced to suffer electroshock therapy? You mean if I act in a mature fashion, I can actually have civil arguments celebrating where we agree, and civilly disagree where we don’t? There is a group of people who admire me for me? Not say they do and snicker behind my back, not take me for granted?”

    They can’t handle it. They’ve bought so much into the ‘out and proud’ that they can’t see that the indifference most of the right feels isn’t hatred, it’s ‘so you like guys. Do you want smaller government and more freedoms?’

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 5, 2010 @ 2:53 pm - November 5, 2010

  49. #39: “This blog is okay with every kind of evil actually happening in our nation and world; what you object to is me pointing it out.”

    Nah,…I really just think you’re a fucking idiot. And a thumping bore. There is seriously nothing more dull and cliched than a homo talking in grand, self-righteous circles about civil rights, homophobia, equality, hate crimes, being exterminated, blah, blah, blah…

    You’re like a character that someone puts in a movie to make fun of liberal gays but it’s not particularly funny because it’s no different than reality. That’s it! You’re an unfunny parody of yourself.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………………

    Oh! I’m sorry! I must have dozed off for a minute. Please, please tell me MORE about right-wing concentration camps and nurses blocking gay people from seeing their partners at hospitals. I’m totally riveted to your stories, I promise,….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 2:55 pm - November 5, 2010

  50. #48: “They’ve bought so much into the ‘out and proud’ that they can’t see that the indifference most of the right feels isn’t hatred, it’s ‘so you like guys. Do you want smaller government and more freedoms?’”

    Yep, you got it, The_Livewire. These boring, histrionic homos have no personality so they pick the first “gay approved” identity that feels right and they put it on for good. writerjerome/equality4sockpuppets’s identity is “guy who claims to be outraged about hatred and oppression from the right wing,” but if he actually accepted the truth that there is no conspiracy against him because,…well, he’s not consequential enough nor controversial enough for anyone to conspire against, well that would not be pretty. If writer4jerome ever finds out for real that right wing Christians haven’t spend a single nanosecond concerned about him or fascinated by him or repulsed by him…he would seriously lock himself in a bathroom, crumple to the floor, take out a blunt nail file and start cutting.

    Comment by Sean A — November 5, 2010 @ 3:11 pm - November 5, 2010

  51. I am a 41 yo lesbian who is getting more conservative every day but until the GOP fixes their platform re: SSM and DADT, a queer voting for a Republican is like a chicken voting for the Colonel.

    Comment by BeeCharmer — November 5, 2010 @ 3:23 pm - November 5, 2010

  52. “…a queer voting for a Republican is like a chicken voting for the Colonel.”

    So we don’t need a strong national defense, or the rule of law, or any protection for the foundation underlying our freedoms? What you’re saying is absolutely insane. We don’t need jobs…a functioning economy?

    Interesting what your tune will be if the Dhimmicrats succeed in bringing hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the Middle East and pandering to their desire to throw us in prison or kill us.

    I’d take Colonel Sanders over Satan any day.

    Comment by Lori Heine — November 5, 2010 @ 4:50 pm - November 5, 2010

  53. @Beecharmer

    Not to mention the fact that the Dems have done sooooo much in the way of DADT(they instituted it), and SSM. They tried to repeal DADT in a defense appropriations bill. If they were so serious about it, why didn’t they do it individually in it’s own bill?

    Also as an evangelical, conservative Christian- I just wanted to thank Jerome. I thought that I was commanded to respect all as equals, and to love everyone as brothers/sisters–Apparently that’s not true.

    Apparently my platform is to hate gays and want to kill them or something….

    I think Jerome lives as a parody, and is afraid of a parody….

    Comment by melle1228 — November 5, 2010 @ 4:57 pm - November 5, 2010

  54. his is the “God hates fag” crowd on here, not any actual gay Republicans.

    Soooooo…..we’re democrats now? So much flip-flopping going on it’s hard to follow. These ass clowns are worse than Charlie Crist, if you can imagine that.

    As I’ve said before: I’ve worked in and around and with the patients of about 30 hospitals in the Houston area and one hospital here in Lakeland. I have NEVER seen any visitor prevented from being with a patient except the few that clearly wanted to do harm. I have NEVER even seen a hospital that strictly enforces their visiting hours. Even in the ICU where visitors are usually limited to two at a time, I’ve seen 6-8 visitors at a time before.

    Further, I have to wonder why Gay Inc. can never point to any examples of this or any particular hospital policies that allegedly ban gay visitors. The only evidence I’ve seen is two or three anectdotal examples. Besides, didn’t Chairman Obama pass a law regarding this?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 5, 2010 @ 4:58 pm - November 5, 2010

  55. >>and I was personally barred from attending the church where my own child was being eulogized just because I was openly gay.”

    Jerome, If this happened to you then this was heinous & this shouldn’t have happened to you from a Christian standpoint(I assume it was Christian as you state it was a Church). As a military wife for 19 years, I have had the privilege of going to many different churches in different areas of the country, and no matter how conservative on gay issues; I don’t know any of them who would have done this to a grieving father- gay or not.

    From a government standpoint, the church has a right to decide who attends it’s services. Just as you as a parent had a right not to have your child eulogized in a church who wouldn’t accept a grieving father into to the church. Your bone of contention is more with who chose that church than with the church itself.

    Comment by melle1228 — November 5, 2010 @ 5:22 pm - November 5, 2010

  56. Out of curiosity, where’s the gay left on the recent spate of firefighter suicides in Pheonix? Was it ultra-rightwingconservativeChrisitantalibanal-qaidaoogieboogiemen who were responsible? Or maybe it was the homophobojoosmormonoogieboogiemen?

    http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/arizona/firefighter-suicides-spurs-changes-phoenix-fire-department

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 5, 2010 @ 6:43 pm - November 5, 2010

  57. @ThatGayConservative

    I think because that doesn’t fit into their narrative.

    I honestly think that by highlighting this bullying problem and trying to make it a “gay” problem; they are doing a disservice to children and their parents.

    A lot of parents of gay children don’t have an adult gay mentor that they can turn to help with their children, so they are flying blind with this issue. Not to mention the fact that EVERYONE is bullied sometime in their life, especially children who are different. I think that is how these parents should broach it with these kids. I think if you highlight the actual difference too much, children will internalize that the difference is their fault. It’s not right, and it’s not logical, but it happens with children. You really have to make it more about the bully and their insecurity and how they are scared of difference and take the onus off the child who is being bullied. This is just my two cents worth. I have a twelve year old son who is bullied mercilessly, and I am still not certain isn’t gay. The only thing I can do is love him, and tell him that I love him unconditionally- no matter if he turns out to be gay, a non-Christian or even(shutter) a democrat.

    Comment by melle1228 — November 5, 2010 @ 7:16 pm - November 5, 2010

  58. TGC, I live in Phoenix, and I am usually pretty aware of local events, but I have never heard of any recent spike in firefighter suicides.

    Personally, I blame all those Martians. (Remember the “Phoenix Lights” story from a few years ago?)

    Comment by Lori Heine — November 5, 2010 @ 7:53 pm - November 5, 2010

  59. Evidently, Lori, firefighter suicides just aren’t as “sexy” as pushing a narrative that gay kids are committing suicide because of Christians. If the deaths can be exploited to push an agenda, you would have heard about it by now. If they cared, or wanted to pretend to care, I’m sure liberals could find a way to exploit this.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 5, 2010 @ 8:24 pm - November 5, 2010

  60. he took a photo of a naked child and then posted it for the purpose of making anti-gay “jokes” (attacks)

    He must be using the term “child” in the ObamaCare Democrat “Everyone under the age of 26 is a child” sense.

    Today I posted pictures of a bunch of fugly feministas and some blow up dolls. Have one of your dueling personalities analyse that!

    Comment by V the K — November 5, 2010 @ 10:27 pm - November 5, 2010

  61. TGC, when I Google this topic a couple of articles do come up. I find it very odd that nothing has made the local news about it. Here in Arizona, I don’t think whether liberals are able to make something out of it to push their agenda is much of a concern. Maybe that has changed.

    Comment by Lori Heine — November 5, 2010 @ 10:44 pm - November 5, 2010

  62. I’d like to point out the REPORTED attack on the gay man occurred in CA Congressional District 53: overwhelmingly Democrat and only 51.1% Caucasian; not the hotbed of Whitey-Republ-Christi-hate-o-phobes we’ve been told is the source of such actions and attitudes.
    I’d also point out, as do their local papers/websites, his original report of the crime included NO ‘gay slurs’ and there are no witnesses to said sounds or words, only to “someone screaming.”

    Comment by rodney — November 6, 2010 @ 12:20 pm - November 6, 2010

  63. Jerome,

    Goodness, where did you get all that nonsense? Homosexuals weren’t burned at the stake – heretics were. This is not to say that burning heretics is right (though, if you think about it, if people hadn’t got all bleeding heart about it, you never would have had to deal with the likes of Jerry Fallwell), but we should be at least accurate in our views.

    The Christian opposition to homosexuality – and it was quite ferocious in the past – was based upon a complete rejection of what was going on in the late Roman Empire in matters sexual. A civilization was dying as a result of unbridled lust – rising Christianity affirmed that life is good, and children are a blessing, and went at all influences against these things, hammer and tongs. We still affirm that life is good and children are a blessing, but we understand better, now, that it isn’t our business to dictate to people what they will do in their private relations.

    There is no Christian bogey living under your bed, waiting for the chance to imprison and kill you. What I, as a Christian, want is for you and I to be together in the life of the world to come, where we both laugh at our old fears. There is, in the view of a Christian, only one way to get there, and that Judge will decide whether or not you and I will enter in to the Joy in spite of our sins (you have yours, I have mine – yours might be different from mine, but both sets of sins have to be forgiven). What must be kept clearly in mind by any homosexual who wishes to live free is that it is only among the Christians that you will be able to do so – anyone who is not Christian will eventually destroy you, or allow others to destroy you out of fear for the oppressor.

    Comment by Mark Noonan — November 6, 2010 @ 3:32 pm - November 6, 2010

  64. I’d also point out, as do their local papers/websites, his original report of the crime included NO ‘gay slurs’ and there are no witnesses to said sounds or words, only to “someone screaming.”

    And I would also point out that California HAS the “hate-crimes laws” that writerJerome shrieks, quote, “halt these all-too-common tragedies”.

    So either this isn’t a “hate crime” or writerJerome is lying and such laws do nothing to prevent “hate crimes”.

    When you realize how much of an incompetent liar writerJerome is, you can understand why he was fired from his job. Of course, to him, the fact that he was incompetent and lied to his boss and coworkers should have been overlooked because he’s gay.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 6, 2010 @ 5:03 pm - November 6, 2010

  65. “So either this isn’t a ‘hate crime’ or writerJerome is lying and such laws do nothing to prevent ‘hate crimes’.”

    Right on, NDT. And the reason the violent crime rate nationwide has gotten so out-of-control in the first place is directly attributable to the way Leftists like Jerome and equality4all insist that criminals be coddled.

    We’re no longer allowed to look at the crime, recognize that it is heinous, and weigh the evidence to reach a just verdict. Now it’s all about what the mutants were feeling, how many hugs they got as children, etc.

    This is the very environment from which those who commit “hate crimes” derive their own sense of victimhood. But thanks to hate crimes legislation, we’re all enrolled in the victimhood sweepstakes.

    Unless we’re white heterosexual males. It still seems to be okay to hate them.

    Comment by Lori Heine — November 6, 2010 @ 6:47 pm - November 6, 2010

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  67. Hey Lori,

    As a card carrying Mutant, I’m offended by your statement. ;-)

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 7, 2010 @ 1:20 pm - November 7, 2010

  68. Livewire, actually I plagiarized the term “mutant.” I frequent a blog called Alphecca, and the term is used often there.

    There are some nice mutants, I’m sure. It may depend on their planet of origin.

    Comment by Lori Heine — November 7, 2010 @ 8:22 pm - November 7, 2010

  69. People: Stop living in the past.

    God. My generation already has to clean up enough messes, from the older generations squabbling over past wrongs.

    I’m sorry, but we don’t live in 1960 and the old rules just don’t apply. History is not doomed to repeat itself; people don’t care if the past says they should do something, they’ll do what they think best regardless.

    Progress means letting go of the past. Plenty of religious people accept gays; history doesn’t matter when it comes to this sort of thing.

    The social conservatives can just go f**k themselves. They’re rapidly losing out. The mid-200s anti gay marriage wave was noting more then a temporary blip.

    Comment by joeedh — November 10, 2010 @ 11:44 pm - November 10, 2010

  70. and for the next person who says “ignorance”, go look up “np-complete” then tell me how “enlightened” and “reason-minded” you are.

    if you can’t figure out how that relates to anything, you aren’t as scientifically-minded as you think you are. Here’s a hint: it’s related to “correlation does not equate causation” in statistics.

    Comment by joeedh — November 10, 2010 @ 11:48 pm - November 10, 2010

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