No, my friends, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force is not a partisan organization. From an e-mail, they sent me two days ago, December 6, they explain why they’re coming from:
I won’t sugarcoat it. The election results are a setback to all fair-minded people.. . . .
Because, in spite of the Republican takeover of the House, a more conservative Senate and the rise in hateful rhetoric and action from far-right groups like the Tea Party, Focus on the Family and the National Organization for Marriage, the Task Force will continue to fight for equality for the LGBT community.
A setback to all fair-minded people?!?! Couldn’t they have just said, “not the results we were hoping for”? Defining opposition to state recognition of same-sex marriage and advocacy of small government as “hateful rhetoric”? Come on, now.
Why do some left-wing groups define opposition as hatred?
oh, come on. You talk or read them all the time here and elsewhere. the venting they do and whatnot…we must certainly be at least as hateful as them and as they have determined they are all that is good and right in the world, and they certainly hate those who oppose them, so we must at least hate them as well, so we must be haters as well. Well, that and if you can’t argue a point you must then resort to name calling. Emotions do not need facts.
The TEA Party is group of haters because they think the gov’t is stealing too much of their hard earned dollars and want, you know, to actually follow the damned Constitution. Nothing more hateful than that.
Naturally all opposition to such left-wing causes must be hateful! Look at how the left wraps their support of the causes in question. Opposition to marriage ‘equality’ must be hate of the people trying to be married. Opposition to welfare expansion must be hate of the people receiving it. Opposition to nationalized healthcare (in any form) must be hatred of sick people and poor people.
The Left has wrapped itself in a beautiful shroud of ‘the people’ in an attempt to make it impossible to attack them. It’s all just rhetoric.
When you’ve decided that your goals aren’t just “right” but “Good”, it follows that anyone who opposes them must be not just wrong but evil.
Libdems have been trying to convonce themselves that they’re on the side of the angels for a very long time now. It’s how they justify their behavior.
#1 Can we get that once more in cogent English? I think it was obfuscated by too much seething liberal rage.
I enjoyed the ‘I’m a conservative too’ method to #1.
It goes back to the saying Conservatives think liberals are wrong. Liberals think conservatives are EVIL.
It’s pretty much the same reason any disagreement with a liberal is called “racism,” or the fallacy that all opposition to Obama is because his a (sort of) black man.
It’s the liberals’ way of saying, “I don’t have to refute, or even listen to, any of your arguments because they are nothing more than expressions of your hatred/racism.”
Because liberals know they can’t win an argument based on reason or facts.
“A setback to all fair-minded people?!?! Couldn’t they have just said, “not the results we were hoping for”?”
No, because they don’t believe that. They believe that if anyone put any thought into it, they’d HAVE to go left. That people are too stupid to vote their own self-interest, as Amanda Marcotte continually claims.
“Defining opposition to state recognition of same-sex marriage and advocacy of small government as “hateful rhetoric”? Come on, now.
Why do some left-wing groups define opposition as hatred?”
Because they believe it is hatred.
You know, GayPatriot, if you didn’t exist we’d have to make you up. You’re thoughtful and intelligent.
Opposition is hatred because they refuse to look in a mirror…
They sure don’t want people to remember/learn that the liberals have always been the racist garbage in America.
J. Rausch — There are real antigay bigots out there, but they are fading in number and strength. The people who matter now are the persuadables who are struggling to believe they can make room for us on equal terms even if they cannot agree with our ‘lifestyle’ — people who wish us no harm but who are struggling to adapt old ideas to a new situation and who worry about the dizzying pace of cultural change. Our job is to open their eyes, not slap their face.
“No, I’m not saying that the b [bigot] word should be banished like the n word or that we all have to agree on who does and does not deserve to be called a hater.
All I am suggesting is that with majority standing must come a mental adjustment: a recognition that rhetorical overkill is a weapon that backfires, one that our opponents are already using to paint us as the real bigots, the real haters, the real threat to minority rights and tolerant values. [snip]
“As gays become a majority, the burden of toleration—and it is a burden—shifts to us. This is the most difficult adjustment a minority rights movement can make. Our opponents are betting we will fail to make it. In fact, that is now pretty much their entire strategy. Gay Americans and our allies are not ready to think of ourselves as a majority. And we are not fully there yet, certainly not solidly. But the benefits and, yes, burdens of majority status are descending with wonderful speed. We will miss the turn if we don’t start braking now.” – Jonathan Rauch, co-founder of the homocon site Independent Gay Forum, saying that gay activists need to stop tossing around words like “bigot” and “hater” at our enemies.
Rauch contends that the feminist movement “missed the turn” and faded into obscurity with the failure of the Equal Rights Amendment.
Andrew Sullivan adds: “When you are tempted to use the word ‘hate’, substitute ‘fear’ or ‘bias’. It’s usually more true and dials down the temperature a notch – where the rational advantage held by the case for gay equality still holds.” JMG
I have been away for three weeks. How did gays become “a” majority? Must have been some amazing shift in the ozone which zoomed right past me.
Sorry about the misspelling of Rauch #9. . .from the advocate
Let me explain.
First, what I’m not saying: that the fight for equality is finished. It isn’t, of course. Most states prohibit gay marriage. The military ban on gays serving openly has proved frustratingly persistent. Gay kids still face routine harassment and bullying, as we’ve all painfully observed with multiple news reports of suicides this year.
But we all know momentum is on our side. And even more significant is the source of that momentum. In 2010 the most important gay rights story that you probably never read came from Gallup: “Americans’ support for the moral acceptability of gay and lesbian relations crossed the symbolic 50% threshold in 2010. At the same time, the percentage calling these relations ‘morally wrong’ dropped to 43%, the lowest in Gallup’s decade-long trend.”
Since—well, since forever, the American majority regarded homosexuality as immoral, and the only question was whether to tolerate or repress it. In 2008, however, the lines converged, at 48% on each side. Today, same-sex relations are deemed morally acceptable by a margin of 52% to 43%. The “moral values” argument is on our side.
This is a watershed in gay Americans’ relations with our country. The belief that homosexuality is morally wrong undergirds all the other problems that homosexuals face. When the foundation of moral disapproval crumbles, so, in time, must all the superstructures of discrimination and stigma. To a majority of the public, the “morally deviant” shoe will be on the antigay foot.
So let’s pinch ourselves and say it: American homosexuals and our allies are entering a new and unprecedented phase. For the first time, we are emerging into majority status.
http://advocate.com/Politics/Commentary/The_Majority_Report/
American homosexuals and our allies are entering a new and unprecedented phase. For the first time, we are emerging into majority status.
The Gay Left, for all it’s pretenses of expecting tolerance and equality from Society, and be the most awfully-Manichean and intolerant towards the Gay Right. The ONLY TIME I was ever physically-assaulted in a gay bar was for expressing support for a Republican viewpoint in a public bar-chat on the then current elections and the candidates….the only time, ever.
Perhaps the more-correct phrasing to “…emerging into majority status” might be “…merging into accepted-majority”, in the spirit of “Out of Many, One.”
“Why do some left-wing groups define opposition as hatred?”
Because they are not themselves capable of disagreeing with someone without hating them, so they cannot imagine anyone else is capable of it, either?
Liberals assume that every ‘fair’ effort will result in the exact same outcome. They assume that everyone is trying just as hard as everyone else, and they assume that whenever anyone performs better than anyone else, cheating must be involved.
‘Equality of outcome’ is their goal, and they have every intention of handicapping every aspect of life to achieve that end. (this rule doesn’t apply to Elites)
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The Nazis also practiced a form of handicapping known as ‘racial quotas’, in which 100% of opportunities were awarded to “pure Aryans”, and 0% were awarded to all other “sub-humans”.
– Was it the proportions of the Nazi racial quotas that were wrong, or was it wrong to hold different people to different standards?
– Should people be punished for WHO they are, or for WHAT they’ve done wrong?
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rusty channeling Jon Rausch> “But we all know momentum is on our side.”
LOL! Heck, things are so mismanaged and misaligned for gays that many in the community are listening to gay conservatives and appealing for them to lead the community to a better political platform than the conventional, one-time-monopolistic gayLeft. Rebellion in the ranks? Heck, rusty, the druggie libertarian dope heads are making more progress on their quirky agenda of legalizing dope than the gayLeft is doing in legalizing gay marriage!
I guess that’s why, in the post-gays-r-now-free elections of Nov 2004 when John Kerry remade the world so that Barrie Obama could win 4 yrs later, state after state majorities enacted anti-gay, pro-marriage state constitutional amendments and laws to prohibit gays from marrying.
That’s why, after four yrs of Democrat control of the Senate and House –as well as 2 yrs of Barrie-the-Bully manning da’ hoops at da’ White House– we still aint got DADTDHDP repeal.
Yeah, with momentum like that, we’re clearly in the majority now sister. Care to rework that notion a little closer to reality?
Blah, blah, blah. Same old rhetoric. Who cares?
This part though struck me as being funny:
“the Task Force will continue to fight for equality for the LGBT community”.
As if they ever did just like HRC. Oh those wacky NGLTFers, what amusing things will they say next?
sorry to pull this old thing back
love the graph: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/08/opinion-on-same-sex-marriage-appears-to.html
from Nate: Something to bear in mind is that it’s only been fairly recently that gay rights groups — and other liberals and libertarians — shifted toward a strategy of explicitly calling for full equity in marriage rights, rather than finding civil unions to be an acceptable compromise. While there is not necessarily zero risk of backlash resulting from things like court decisions — support for gay marriage slid backward by a couple of points, albeit temporarily, after a Massachusetts’ court’s ruling in 2003 that same-sex marriage was required by that state’s constitution — it seems that, in general, “having the debate” is helpful to the gay marriage cause, probably because the secular justifications against it are generally quite weak.
I’m fair-minded, at the very least in that I support the Tea Party platform precisely for reasons of morality and *fairness*. And the election wasn’t a setback to me. Therefore, the N(S)GLTF is wrong.
“Why do some left-wing groups define opposition as hatred?”
Simply put, because it has been effective as a political tool. The media usually piled on, and conservatives went on the defensive. Once you’re on the defensive the game is up.
Things may be changing, though. The left has overplayed it’s hand and too many people don’t buy the left’s old tricks anymore. However, the left is still stuck in the past so will continue to call the old tried-and-true plays for awhile. We just have to stay strong and wait them out.
Heliotrope, I missed you!
“Why do some left-wing groups define opposition as hatred?”
Because, emotionally speaking, liberals haven’t grown beyond the age of three. They may have degrees from institutes of higher learning out the wazoo, but they still act like they are in pre-school.
Regards,
Peter H.
Profanity, Anger Spill Over in House Democratic Caucus Meeting – Roll Call
http://www.rollcall.com/news/-201347-1.html
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Unbelievable!
These Democrats just cannot stand the thought of a black man in the White House!
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