Gay Patriot Header Image

On the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords

Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 12:00 am - January 9, 2011.
Filed under: 112th Congress,National Politics

It is not the time nor the place to make political hay out of the shooting yesterday of U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ).  House Speaker John Boehner appropriately condemned it:

I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country.

It is indeed a sad day for our country.  Like the Speaker, our prayers are with the Congresswoman.  May she have a speedy recovery and return to work in short order. 

Details are trickling in about the creep who shot her.  May he be speedily brought to trial and punished to the maximum extent allowed by law.

He seems to be quite a troubled young man.  According to the Daily Caller, “On his YouTube page, he listed Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto among his favorite books.”

Our thoughts and our prayers today are with the families of those people he murdered in cold blood.   And our prayers and our hopes are with the injured.

UPDATE:  Via Glenn Reynolds:  “EVEN MORE: His name’s Jared Lee Loughner and he seems like a garden variety nut:”

Among his long list of favorite books in his YouTube profile are Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha.

Loughner also “favorited” just one video on YouTube, which shows the burning of an American flag and is accompanied by an anti-government screed.

Share

74 Comments

  1. But, since the gay and lesbian community seems bent on doing so, let’s call it out.

    Courage Campaign blogger Rob Tisinai blames Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people.

    Pam Spaulding blames Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people.

    Andrew Sullivan blames Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people.

    Truth Wins Out, aka Evan Hurst, Wayne Besen, and Michael Airhart, blames Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people.

    Box Turtle Bulletin, aka Jim Burroway and Timothy Kincaid, blames Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people.

    The typical statement of these and other spokespersons for the gay and lesbian community:

    Sarah Palin should be called in for questioning NOW!

    The Republican Party is a criminal organization that should be shut down by the authorities and indicted for conspiracy to murder.

    Again, I repeat myself: Rob Tisinai, Pam Spaulding, Andrew Sullivan, Truth Wins Out, Box Turtle Bulletin, and the gay and lesbian community they represent are insisting that a) Sarah Palin ordered the assassination of Gabrielle Giffords and b) the Republican Party should be suppressed and shut down by the government.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 12:23 am - January 9, 2011

  2. And of course, “progressive” and Obama Party member Howard Fineman is telling Obama that he needs to make political hay out of this.

    Particularly disgusting:

    As was the case with Clinton, Obama may be able to remind voters of what they like best about him: his sensible demeanor. Amid the din and ferocity of our political culture, he respectfully keeps his voice down, his emotions in check and his mind open.

    That is the pitch, at least. The trick is to make it without seeming to be trying to make it. He will, after all, be speaking at a funeral.

    How nice of the Obama Party and “progressives” to attempt to hide the fact that they’re politicizing a funeral.

    After all, the Obama Party has been hoping for just such a thing to happen, so…..

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 12:35 am - January 9, 2011

  3. poor Sarah might have quite the challenge ahead of her.. . trying to distance herself from this. The fact that 6 other people died, including a young girl is gonna get stuck in the mind of the public and certainly won’t be left on the back burner in the days/weeks/months of 2012

    the guy pretty much sounds like a individual with some serious mental health issues, but it won’t be easy to eliminate the images of those targets posted by Palin and the fact that 6 are dead, the 12 others were shot and the politician hopefully will recover. Seems like the folk in DC are putting things on hold until Wednesday.

    Comment by rusty — January 9, 2011 @ 1:01 am - January 9, 2011

  4. This oughta make you feel better, Rusty:

    http://tinyurl.com/yeduszv

    Nobody remembers those.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 1:07 am - January 9, 2011

  5. As if Rusty cares. As I pointed out above, rusty is just busy repeating the meme of the gay and lesbian left that Sarah Palin caused the shooting and that the Republican Party should be suppressed by the government.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 1:10 am - January 9, 2011

  6. I was watching FB and the rest of the web most of today. It’s interesting to note that just about everyone on the left was calling for thoughts and prayers. Everyone I saw from Sarah Palin to Jimmy LaSalvia. Some, like Jimmy, mentioned how they’d met her or worked with her and while they didn’t always agree, they found her to be a very nice woman.

    Meanwhile on the left, the liberals were twisting themselves in knots to accuse Palin and the TEA Party. From the KOSholes to the DUmmies to the Gawkers. Many were whining about the “hateful rhetoric” by Palin, Rush, Beck etc. mostly with no evidence. One or two even called for Palin to be killed. My, how tolerant™. I found it even more disgusting than the shooting itself, but I have to remember that that’s the kind of garbage that passes for today’s liberals. F*king disgraceful.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 1:13 am - January 9, 2011

  7. tis kinda interesting that some of the folk on FB and the conversations folk are sharing amongst themselves. and again, will be interesting to see what comes out of DC over the next four days. big scratch on the morning talk shows. . .

    happy new year NDT and TGC.

    Comment by rusty — January 9, 2011 @ 1:19 am - January 9, 2011

  8. I also found it interesting that despite the fact that Giffords supports the right to bear arms, the liberals decided to honor her with calls for more government control.

    Also interesting was how, evidently, the KOSholes scrubbed their site of a diary entry by a BoyBlue who wrote that Giffords was “dead to me” and referred to her as “dead” multiple times after that.

    http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/?p=18470

    But hey, you know, whatever. If you can’t see it, it was never really written.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 1:22 am - January 9, 2011

  9. Yeah, rusty, it’s “kinda interesting” how you just brought up Sarah Palin, and “kinda interesting” how you suddenly started backpedaling when I pointed out how the fact that gay and lesbian liberals were already pushing the “Sarah Palin assassinated Gabrielle Giffords” and “Republicans should be suppressed by the government” memes.

    Glenn Reynolds phrased it beautifully:

    As with Mike Bloomberg’s immediate effort to blame the Times Square bombing attempt on the Tea Party, this swift reaction betrays their hope for an issue that could save Obama by defaming his opposition. It also demonstrates that all their “have you no decency?” talk is a sham, since when push comes to shove, they have no decency themselves. Just desperate blood libels.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 1:22 am - January 9, 2011

  10. And now we get to see what commenters at liberal websites like Box Turtle Bulletin are calling acceptable rhetoric:

    How would the GOP (Gods own personal) react to Sarah Palin being shot or one of her children in revenge of the 9 year old girl?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 1:33 am - January 9, 2011

  11. I’ve noticed a lot of my liberal friends screaming and exclaimation marks about Sarah Palin’s bloody hands has died down after more has come out about the shooter.

    It was too bad I was on a shoot today (err maybe I shouldn’t say that – after all you know people could take it out of context and might think I mean shoot with a gun, not a camera) and didn’t have time to post to my facebook earlier, but I saw that Democratic Leadership Council map.

    When I got home tonight, I actually tracked it down to the original site and it’s still up!

    I posted the link to my facebook, and wrote “All this incendiary imagery has got to stop with targets and bullseyes and whatnot! There might be more nutjobs out there…”

    Here’s the DLC map :
    http://bit.ly/bVmaiE

    Now there’s no denying it’s not true!

    Comment by Chris H — January 9, 2011 @ 1:34 am - January 9, 2011

  12. While you’re all quibbling over this, don’t forget 6 people are dead at the hand of a nut case(s?), including a 9 year old girl.

    Comment by Kevin — January 9, 2011 @ 2:21 am - January 9, 2011

  13. While you’re all quibbling over this, don’t forget 6 people are dead at the hand of a nut case(s?), including a 9 year old girl.

    And you’ll note there’s nobody here desperately flailing about trying to blame Republicans and TEA Partiers.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 2:29 am - January 9, 2011

  14. Found a loooong list of liberal acts of violence:

    http://www.thepatriotsflag.com/?s=a+brick+was+thrown

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 2:30 am - January 9, 2011

  15. Sorry. Try this

    http://www.thepatriotsflag.com/2010/03/violence-against-republicans/

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 2:31 am - January 9, 2011

  16. His videos are completely indecipherable. Sounds schizophrenic.

    The left is desperate, and as such have glommed onto this, as they glom onto everything as an opportunity to attack republicans. The comments at Huffpo were almost as deranged as the guys vids.

    Comment by American Elephant — January 9, 2011 @ 2:41 am - January 9, 2011

  17. [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Reid McLain, DNC Fail!. DNC Fail! said: On the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords http://bit.ly/hjsMa0 #tcot #tlot [...]

    Pingback by Tweets that mention GayPatriot » On the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords -- Topsy.com — January 9, 2011 @ 3:22 am - January 9, 2011

  18. [...] Anti-Religious, Marx Supporter Kills Bush-Appointed …Related posts on GiffordsGayPatriot » On the shooting of Congresswoman GiffordsRelated posts on Palin» Sarah Palin's Television And Political Careers Suffer Serious [...]

    Pingback by American Spectator: The Left Blames Palin for Giffords Shooting | Katy Pundit — January 9, 2011 @ 4:15 am - January 9, 2011

  19. You just wait, the Liberals and the gun-grabbers will use this to further restrict our rights in the name of “public safety”. And the straight-jacket of “political correctness” will be manipulated to stifle legitimate political speech on the behalf of liberty in favor of the paranoid collectivist-safety of the herd. I worry that this will be another “Reichstag fire” or “9-11″ moment that will result in further government intrusion and false Kabuki-security theatrics like TSA.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — January 9, 2011 @ 5:27 am - January 9, 2011

  20. The left didn’t even wait until she was off the operating table to exploit this tragedy to demonize Sarah Palin. It was literally sickening.

    Comment by V the K — January 9, 2011 @ 5:57 am - January 9, 2011

  21. [...] the original article herePossibly related posts: (automatically generated)Related posts on GiffordsGayPatriot » On the shooting of Congresswoman GiffordsRelated posts on ImplicatesAnti-Aging Firewalls » Blog Archive » Nitrates and nitrites – Part [...]

    Pingback by American Thinker: New York Times Implicates Sarah Palin in Giffords Shooting | Katy Pundit — January 9, 2011 @ 6:01 am - January 9, 2011

  22. Hmmm.

    Catie Parker claims to have been in a band with Loughner, as well as his high school and college classmate. In a Twitter exchange with Anthony De Rosa, she said that when she knew Loughner he was a radical liberal, a “loner” and “very philosophical:

    “He was a political radical and met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question and he told me she was ‘stupid and unintelligent.’ He was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag…. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.”

    Parker says Loughner dropped out of school after getting alcohol poisoning in ’06.

    http://gawker.com/5728605/arizona-shooter-explained-mind-control-on-youtube

    And here:

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 6:09 am - January 9, 2011

  23. His videos are completely indecipherable. Sounds schizophrenic.

    This hasn’t discouraged WorldNetDaily from leading with the headline:

    Assassin’s politics lean ‘left wing, quite liberal’

    The quoted phrase is the assessment of ONE Twitter user who claims to be a former high-school classmate of Loughner, and by her own admission last saw him in 2007. Given what little confirmed info is available about the gunman, it seems to me that Assassin’s mental state, politics remain unclear would’ve been a far more honest headline, and that WND’s spin is as reprehensible as the right-bashing speculation from Sullivan, KOS, et al.

    (Just throwing Levi a bone.)

    Comment by Throbert McGee — January 9, 2011 @ 6:29 am - January 9, 2011

  24. No one really takes WND any more seriously than the Huffington Post, Think Progress, or Media Matters.

    The shooter was a lone nut. Sarah Palin didn’t have anything to do with it any more than Daily Kos did. People are dead, including a child. The people politcizing this tragedy are merely demonstrating their cold, cynical inhumanity.

    Comment by V the K — January 9, 2011 @ 6:52 am - January 9, 2011

  25. I dunno. I think if Gawker posts the statement that he was a radical liberal, I feel comfortable with that.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 7:05 am - January 9, 2011

  26. I posted on the DCCC FB page:

    If I were into conspiracy theories: Who’s to say the liberals didn’t put this guy up to shooting her? They’re radical liberals, he’s a radical liberal, shoot her, blame Palin and the TEA Party that just cleaned your clocks in an election and a compliant liberal media who will run with the story that it’s all their fault.

    I mean, if folks are gonna make wild accusations based on little to no facts. Just sayin.

    Let ‘em gnaw on that for a while.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 9, 2011 @ 7:16 am - January 9, 2011

  27. I think if Gawker posts the statement that he was a radical liberal, I feel comfortable with that.

    But the current evidence for his “radical liberalism” seems to be:

    (a) That he name-dropped The Communist Manifesto, instead of name-dropping, say, The Road to Serfdom (and I stress the term “name-dropped” because we really don’t know that he ever actually read a word by Marx, or if he simply mentions the title because that’s what idiotic young poseurs looking to épater les bourgeoisie are apt to do!); and

    (b) That a purported former classmate remembers him as having been “liberal and leftist.” But assuming that she’s legit, what does her characterization actually mean? It may mean merely that he had a BUCK FUSH bumpersticker in his locker — which was little more than a fashion statement for a lot of kids who were in high school during Bush’s 2nd term.

    Comment by Throbert McGee — January 9, 2011 @ 9:07 am - January 9, 2011

  28. Look, ideologues only exist on the right. The job of the Progressive Ideologue Research Council is to out the ideologues of the right at every dramatic turn of events.

    When a tragedy occurs to someone left of center, it can only be caused by an ideologue on the right and it is the responsibility of the Progressive Ideologue Research Council to quickly publish its theories. A consensus* of members** of the Progressive Ideologue Research Council constitutes iron-clad, scientific fact based on the polling and the usefulness of the theory in the minds of the Progressive Ideologue Research Council. (*consensus: at least one member.) (**members: anyone left of center who wants to ferret out ideologues on the right.)

    As there are no ideologues on the left, it may seem redundant to speak of “ideologues on the right.” However, it is imperative that a certain “balance” be implied, therefore speaking of “ideologues on the right” gives the appearance of fairness, balance and scientific integrity.

    Comment by Heliotrope — January 9, 2011 @ 9:21 am - January 9, 2011

  29. Re Andrew Sullivan… I stopped reading him years ago. I took a look at the link posted by NDT (a brief look) and I’m going to come right out and say it: I think Sullivan is beginning to suffer from some sort of dementia.

    I don’t know if it’s the HIV meds or the testosterone treatments… or, perhaps, unbearable misogyny (that may explain his obsession with Palin).

    People that read left wing blogs have more stomach than I do. I simply can’t read incoherent screeds by people who are unwilling to have any debate whatsoever.

    I do read a couple of what would be considered “out of the mainstream” right wing blogs and the dominant sentiment is 1) outrage that this idiot killed and wounded innocent people; 2) outrage that a Congressman was shot in the course of her duties; 3) fervent prayers and hope that she and the survivors recover; 4) sympathy for the families of the dead; 5) and disgust that the left was spinning this for cynical gain before the Life Flight helicopter had left the scene.

    People who use a genuine tragedy to score cheap political points against their enemies are loathsome people indeed.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — January 9, 2011 @ 10:49 am - January 9, 2011

  30. Sarah Palin’s terrorist map makes her personally responsible for these murders. No patriotic American would ever defend her.

    Comment by libhomo — January 9, 2011 @ 11:38 am - January 9, 2011

  31. You just wait, the Liberals and the gun-grabbers will use this

    Don’t need to wait, they already are:

    One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did.

    “They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”

    Another Democratic strategist said the similarity is that Tucson and Oklahoma City both “take place in a climate of bitter and virulent rhetoric against the government and Democrats.”

    This Democrat said that the time had come to insist that Republicans stand up when, for example, a figure such as Fox News commentator Glenn Beck says something incendiary. [more]

    Comment by American Elephant — January 9, 2011 @ 11:55 am - January 9, 2011

  32. Sarah Palin’s terrorist map makes her personally responsible for these murders. No patriotic American would ever defend her.

    Comment by libhomo — January 9, 2011 @ 11:38 am – January 9

    You are an idiot.

    I gladly defend her.

    And you better be careful over what you cast blame. The Daily Kos, one of the biggest blogs on the left, has printed at least two articles, one calling for “targeting” Rep Giffords, and another psychotic rant about how Rep Giffords is “dead to me” how her actions were inexcusable and should be punished, etc.

    Plus, the ONLY accounting we have of this guys politics is from someone who claimed to know him who said he was a big pot smoking commie loving liberal. We know he likes videos of burning the flag and reads the communist manefesto. (I’m not saying he is a big liberal, just that that is the only account available from anyone who knew him so far)

    If that turns out to be true, he would be much more likely to be influenced by Daily Kos than by Sarah Palin.

    So you might want to watch your accusations lest they come quickly back to bite you in your idiotic ass.

    Comment by American Elephant — January 9, 2011 @ 12:03 pm - January 9, 2011

  33. [...] posts on CongresswomanSerious prayers for Congresswoman GiffordsCongresswoman GiffordsGayPatriot » On the shooting of Congresswoman GiffordsRelated posts on ConstituentDesign-Tech.ORG » Blog Archive » Constituent pulse circuit diagram [...]

    Pingback by Human Events: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot At Constituent Event | Katy Pundit — January 9, 2011 @ 12:04 pm - January 9, 2011

  34. Generally I ignore ND30 because most of what he says about me is a lie, but I will highlight this lie on his part and then bow out of the conversation.

    He says I blame religious people. You won’t find that in my post on the tragedy.

    He says I claim Palin ordered an assassination. You won’t find that in my post, either.

    He says I’m insisting the Republican Party should be suppressed and shut down by the government. Not only is that not in my post, but it’s the sort of frequent comment he makes that forces me to wonder about his grip on reality.

    That’s all. And when he returns with another dishonest comment, I’ll let it ride.

    Comment by Rob Tisinai — January 9, 2011 @ 12:46 pm - January 9, 2011

  35. I think Sullivan is beginning to suffer from some sort of dementia.

    I don’t know if it’s the HIV meds or the testosterone treatments… or, perhaps, unbearable misogyny (that may explain his obsession with Palin).

    I would vote for all of the above PLUS the medicinal spliffs!

    Comment by Throbert McGee — January 9, 2011 @ 12:54 pm - January 9, 2011

  36. AIDS- or drug related dementia is the compassionate explanation for what has befallen Andrianna Sullington. The cruel explanation would be that he really believes the crap he spews.

    Comment by V the K — January 9, 2011 @ 1:21 pm - January 9, 2011

  37. [...] posts on BushAppointedFlag-Burning, Anti-Religious, Marx Supporter Kills Bush-Appointed …GayPatriot » On the shooting of Congresswoman GiffordsTea Party, LGBT groups respond to shooting of Arizona Rep …/**/ Share and Enjoy:Related [...]

    Pingback by Flag-Burning, Anti-Religious, Marx Supporter Kills Bush-Appointed Judge… The Left Blames Tea Party & Sarah Palin | Katy Pundit — January 9, 2011 @ 1:21 pm - January 9, 2011

  38. Keith Oldermann came out and apologized for his hate speech. One of the shooters friends said he was a known liberal and left winger.
    I would hope others on the far left would apologize so this kind of mindless killing won’t be repeated. Ed Schultz for one has said he has no use for blue dog Democrats. He needs to speak now to calm down the far left wing nutts and near nutts.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — January 9, 2011 @ 2:15 pm - January 9, 2011

  39. #36 V, like Andrew Sullivan, this shooter was also apparently a regular pot smoker. Like Bill Maher, like Janeane Garafolo, like Sean Penn, like my acquaintance who went schizophrenic and committed suicide, like so many rabid leftists.

    Peer reviewed studies have shown the causation. The more pot someone smokes the more likely they are to develop psychoses.

    Comment by American Elephant — January 9, 2011 @ 2:30 pm - January 9, 2011

  40. The usual suspects are going to picket the funeral of those killed in the shooting, including a nine-year-old girl.

    Comment by Michael Ejercito — January 9, 2011 @ 2:54 pm - January 9, 2011

  41. Bah, they arent anything more than shock mongers looking to pick fights so they can sue — its apparently how they make their living.

    Comment by American Elephant — January 9, 2011 @ 3:54 pm - January 9, 2011

  42. My take on this: everyone should just chill. Like clockwork, both sides of the political spectrum are trying to score political points on this horrific tragedy. DailyKos said that, they said this, they said that…Who the fcuk cares! Jeez louise, I remember when Pres. Reagan and Rep. Tip O’Neil used to play golf together after disagreeing on policies in Washington. Why can’t we return to those days when people could disagree without being disagreeable. The young man who did this is a very disturbed individual and needs psychiatric help. Nothing more. I’m not pointing any fingers at anybody; I’m through with that. I’m instead clasping my fingers together in prayer that Rep. Giffords pulls through.

    Comment by Jim Michaud — January 9, 2011 @ 3:56 pm - January 9, 2011

  43. At least one politician used the incident to blame the Tea Party and conservatives. Arizona State Senator, Linda Lopez, a Democrat, before any information was available about the shoorter accused the Tea Party and its campaign literature for Congresswoman Giffords opponent as the catalyst. I wonder if she has feels the egg on her face when it was revealed that his choice of literature was Marx´s Communist Manifesto and Hitler´s Mein Kampf. Not exactly handbooks for conservatives.

    Comment by Roberto — January 9, 2011 @ 4:02 pm - January 9, 2011

  44. libhomo, you made an assertion, now provide evidence that the nut who shot Rep. Giffords was familiar with that map — and was a follower of Sarah Palin.

    Thanks.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — January 9, 2011 @ 4:05 pm - January 9, 2011

  45. Also, the nine year old who died was the grand daughter of former Philadelphia Phillies pitcher, later manager and Cubs GM. Dallas Green.
    The Federal judge who died on the scene had appointments by both Presidents Bush. To all the vistims who died, R.I. P.

    Comment by Roberto — January 9, 2011 @ 4:07 pm - January 9, 2011

  46. Well Rob,

    Given your post just references Sarah Palin and Sharon Angle, I’m sure you’ve already gone back and ammended it to condemn comments about ‘pulling a gun’ and other such comments from leftists, including the President of these United States.

    What? You just have all the bile aimed at people on the right?

    To use your own words, take your attempts to blame this on the right and go… just go.

    Comment by The_Livewire — January 9, 2011 @ 8:24 pm - January 9, 2011

  47. And Rob, pity you didn’t bother to read the citation AE provided above before posting your rant.

    One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did.

    “They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”

    We are very aware of the fact that shills like yourself were told to blame Palin, to blame Tea Partiers, and to do everything in your power to smear and attack these people without any factual linkage whatsoever by your Barack Obama.

    So your attempt to spin otherwise just makes you look like a bigger liar.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 10:25 pm - January 9, 2011

  48. And also, Rob, let’s be blunt; you and your fellow gay and lesbian liberals are calling Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people accessories to murder.

    Own up.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 10:39 pm - January 9, 2011

  49. And yet no one seems to care about calling North Dallas 30 on his blatant and explicit lies about me. Well-documented and undisputed. Seriously?

    Meanwhile, ND30 is saying I’m revealed as even “a bigger liar” without pointing out a single inaccuracy in the post he linked to. And has a paranoid fantasy about me being given instructions. Is anyone here really willing to endorse what ND30 said of my post in Comment #1?

    I’ve at least had the guts to acknowledge and call out Democratic misdeeds. Still waiting for anyone — anyone — to admit ND30 is simply lying.

    Livewire, I’ve seen you rise above partisanship in these comments — what do you think of ND30′s statements about me in Comment #1?

    Comment by Rob Tisinai — January 9, 2011 @ 10:43 pm - January 9, 2011

  50. What a surprise, Rob; the people who you accuse of supporting murder don’t particularly care to support you.

    And as far as repudiating and denouncing comments, why should anyone else, when you won’t repudiate and denounce those made by your fellow liberals?

    Sarah Palin’s terrorist map makes her personally responsible for these murders. No patriotic American would ever defend her.

    Comment by libhomo — January 9, 2011 @ 11:38 am – January 9, 2011

    So pretty clearly, you DON’T have the guts to acknowledge and call out liberal gay and lesbian and Obama Party misdeeds. You’re just pretending to do so to claim “bipartisanship”, just like you whine about Sarah Palin as you and your fellow WeHo gays were hanging her in effigy.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 11:08 pm - January 9, 2011

  51. Oh, and even better?

    “Libhomo” is making these same comments on Rob’s own blog.

    libhomo says:
    January 9, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    These shootings are Sarah Palin’s fault. There can be no honest doubt on this one.

    The really entertaining part is that, while “libhomo” is posting this – without a single of Rob’s commenters or Rob himself disagreeing — Rob is over in another thread, spinning wildly in the comments section to explain why everything’s OK when the Obama Party does it.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 11:13 pm - January 9, 2011

  52. And one more thing, Rob:

    You are over here on a thread whining about your integrity being impugned when you and your fellow gays and lesbians are condescendingly “conceding” that there is no proof or evidence of the crime that you have been claiming Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people committed for the past twenty-four hours.

    Again, you and your fellow gays and lesbians are accusing Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people of MURDER when you freely admit you haven’t a shred of evidence — and then whine that other people are “lying” about you.

    Clueless? Or epic-level selfishness and narcissism?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 11:20 pm - January 9, 2011

  53. Oh, and Rob?

    Where were you when your fellow gays and lesbians were calling for Palin to be raped?

    And where were you when your fellow gays and lesbians were pointing rifles at pictures of her and her children and hanging her in effigy?

    So it’s not really the “rhetoric” that bothers you, is it? You’re just looking for a chance to blame something on Sarah Palin, just like your Obama told you to do.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 9, 2011 @ 11:30 pm - January 9, 2011

  54. Rob, considering that the more we learn about the assailant, the less likely it was that he was motivated in any way by Sarah Palin, you really ought to retract your post and apologize for jumping to conclusions and exploiting a tragedy to demonize your opposition. That would be the responsible, mature, and intellectually honest thing to do. Are you capable of doing that?

    Comment by V the K — January 9, 2011 @ 11:51 pm - January 9, 2011

  55. Oh, and let’s not forget how the Obama Party was upset that Sarah Palin didn’t die in a plane crash with Ted Stevens.

    And where was Rob Tisinai then? Nothing posted from him repudiating that.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 10, 2011 @ 12:18 am - January 10, 2011

  56. [...] On the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords [...]

    Pingback by Right Wing Extremists: Jared Loughner Nutbag Edition | REPUBLICAN REDEFINED — January 10, 2011 @ 12:30 am - January 10, 2011

  57. Glenn Reynolds phrased it beautifully:

    As with Mike Bloomberg’s immediate effort to blame the Times Square bombing attempt on the Tea Party, this swift reaction betrays their hope for an issue that could save Obama by defaming his opposition

    I guess “Raaaaaaaaayyysist!” hasn’t been effective enough, in shutting down opposition to the Dear Reader.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 10, 2011 @ 1:00 am - January 10, 2011

  58. Actually, V the K, there isn’t a single misstatement in the post of mine that ND30 linked to. The best you can do is say that I only presented one side, the sins of the conservatives, but I rectified that with a later post, and in fact put the damning information about Democrats in the headline, where no one could miss it.

    Meanwhile, I’ve pointed out ND30′s direct lies, and not even he cares enough to dispute it. That’s awfully sad.

    Comment by Rob Tisinai — January 10, 2011 @ 1:39 am - January 10, 2011

  59. Actually, Rob, the reason is because of what is being posted and supported over on your blog.

    Campbell says:
    January 9, 2011 at 4:40 am

    She’s a Dominionist and SHE BELIEVES IT. She expressed some very lukewarm words of obligated sympathy. You imagine she has a humanist heart, that she might reflect on this or her lack of reflection indicates denial on her part, That isnt the case. She sees this as all part of God’s plan to make the USA a Christian Theocracy. She just had a public spat with the Kennedy’s over her insistance of a “Faith Test” for all elected officials.

    And:

    libhomo says:
    January 9, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    These shootings are Sarah Palin’s fault. There can be no honest doubt on this one.

    Again, people on your blog are specifically blaming Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people, and you’re not saying a word; you’re just ironically over here trying to get other people to police their comments.

    In short, if you care so much about lies, how about policing them on your own site?

    Or is the problem here that you agree with those posters and don’t want to contradict them?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 10, 2011 @ 1:58 am - January 10, 2011

  60. The Democrat/media cartel might have overplayed its hand on this one. Makes you wonder, why were they playing a hand in the first place? Were they really *that* desperate?

    Comment by JervisTetch — January 10, 2011 @ 2:03 am - January 10, 2011

  61. Oh, and Rob, why no comment on your Obama Party’s support of raping Sarah Palin, shooting Sarah Palin and hanging Sarah Palin in effigy, hoping Sarah Palin dies in a plane crash, and so forth?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 10, 2011 @ 2:07 am - January 10, 2011

  62. if you [Rob] care so much about lies, how about policing them on your own site?

    NDT, good point.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 10, 2011 @ 2:30 am - January 10, 2011

  63. A very good point indeed, about the lying.

    And as long as honesty is the coin of the realm, lets admit that promoting the notion that this Loughner fellow saw a target symbol on a map and immediately, Naked Gun style, began robotically chanting “MUST. KILL. GABRIELLE. GIFFORDS.” is just plain asinine; and serves no purpose other than to exploit a tragedy to smear Sarah Palin.

    Comment by V the K — January 10, 2011 @ 6:02 am - January 10, 2011

  64. If a little graphic on a map gives you the vapors, what do you make of this: Civility in Left-Wing Political Discourse: A Retrospective.

    Comment by V the K — January 10, 2011 @ 6:15 am - January 10, 2011

  65. Seems accurate to me Rob, You’re accusing social conservatives of being the reason this nutjob shot people.

    I don’t see anywhere the links to the DCC targeting people.

    In fact I see you trying to claim in post 6 that it’s only Sarah Palin’s ad that’s responsible.

    I may be able to ‘rise above partisanship’ you seem to revel in it.

    Comment by The_Livewire — January 10, 2011 @ 4:12 pm - January 10, 2011

  66. [...] ned only scan some of our critics’ commentary or Glenn Reynolds’s links to various left-wingers (or commentary thereon) to know that many [...]

    Pingback by GayPatriot » Sarah Palin to blame for Arizona shooting? Show me the evidence. — January 10, 2011 @ 4:55 pm - January 10, 2011

  67. Really, livewire? If you’re looking for what I mention in comment 58, you’ll find it here: http://wakingupnow.com/blog/democrats-setting-up-targets

    This post does (as I promised in comment 58) “put the damning information about Democrats in the headline, where no one could miss it.”

    BTW, I don’t know what you mean by “post 6.”

    Meanwhile, I was hoping you’d be able to admit that ND30 is lying when he said I insisted:

    “a) Sarah Palin ordered the assassination of Gabrielle Giffords and b) the Republican Party should be suppressed and shut down by the government.”

    Neither of those are there (you can’t even get to point b with the wildest spin and extrapolation). Nor at any point did I even hint about blaming religious people, as ND30 claims.

    Now, if you can find the place where I said “the Republican Party should be suppressed and shut down by the government,” I’d be much obliged. Otherwise you have to admit it’s just ND30 up to his usual dishonesty.

    Comment by Rob Tisinai — January 10, 2011 @ 5:18 pm - January 10, 2011

  68. You mean you’re not Robtis?

    you aren’t pretending that Democrats don’t threaten to assault politicians? Or wish for them to get gang raped? Or burn down buildings?

    You like to pretend that this nutjob was familiar with this map. Maybe he was familiar with the concept of ‘punishing our enemies’ or following the President’s statements of pulling a gun?

    I’m sorry reality doesn’t match your expectations.

    Comment by The_Livewire — January 10, 2011 @ 6:20 pm - January 10, 2011

  69. Meanwhile, I’d like to point out that where the statement Rob is whining about was linked in the very first thread.

    It is by David Ehrenstein, an LA-based writer and gay activist who has worked with Rob Tisinai and his acquaintance Regan DuCasse, and it was posted on the site JoeMyGod, where Rob Tisinai was directing people for information.

    And the supreme irony here is that Rob Tisinai is screaming “Point out where I said” over and over and over again, demanding that we link him directly to something — as he claims that the mere presence of an online map on Sarah Palin’s Facebook site directly caused the murder and attempted assassination on Saturday.

    You blew it, Rob. You wanted to blame Sarah Palin, Republicans, and religious people, and you did exactly that. On Saturday, you were screaming up and down about how Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, Republicans, and other religious people caused this and how they needed to, quote, “just go”.

    Problem is, they weren’t responsible. The guy was a nut. And instead of admitting that you let your own bigotry and prejudice against Sarah Palin speak before getting all the facts, you’re doubling down on stupid by blaming Sarah Palin for your screwing up.

    Now, Rob, you’ve been given DIRECT examples of the Obama Party, YOUR Obama Party, and YOUR fellow gays and lesbians, calling for Sarah Palin and her family to be raped, hung, shot, and die in a plane crash. You’ve been shown where, on your OWN WEBSITE, people are attacking Sarah Palin and claiming that she ordered the murder of Gabrielle Giffords.

    Start repudiating. After all, it’s what you’re demanding of everyone else. Practice what you preach. And start policing your own damn comments if you’re going to come over here and whine about it.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 10, 2011 @ 7:22 pm - January 10, 2011

  70. “Rob Tisinai, Pam Spaulding, Andrew Sullivan, Truth Wins Out, Box Turtle Bulletin, and the gay and lesbian community they represent are insisting that a) Sarah Palin ordered the assassination of Gabrielle Giffords and b) the Republican Party should be suppressed and shut down by the government.”

    I can’t speak for anyone else on the list, but regarding ND30′s assertion about me, it’s clearly a lie. No one’s been able to point to anything I’ve written to support a or b.

    ND30 says “And the supreme irony here is that Rob Tisinai is screaming “Point out where I said” over and over and over again, demanding that we link him directly to something” — well, yeah, when you say that I’m “insisting” that the Republican Party be suppressed and shut down, it’s fair to ask “Point out where I said it.”

    ND30 and Livewire, it doesn’t matter what other people on other sites (or in the comments section of my own site) have said when we’re talking about ND30′s dishonesty about what I have said. Me — not anyone else. That’s what he’s lying about.

    ND30, he doesn’t care. And apparently, neither do you.

    Comment by Rob Tisinai — January 10, 2011 @ 7:38 pm - January 10, 2011

  71. Rob, Miss Rita Beads aka N D T just gets all worked up. No need to let the windy ol’ thang disrupt your day. Miss Rita is kinda set inher ways and likes the world as she sees it.

    Comment by rusty — January 10, 2011 @ 7:56 pm - January 10, 2011

  72. Rob, I feel like this argument over the accuracy of NDT’s statement has become a distraction from the issue of whether your post was an attempt to cynically exploit a tragedy to attack your political opponents; especially since subsequent evidence has refudiated the notion that Mr. Loughner was influenced by Sarah Palin or Tea Party ideology.

    Comment by V the K — January 10, 2011 @ 7:59 pm - January 10, 2011

  73. Of course it matters, Rob. Weren’t you over here demanding that “anyone” acknowledge my so-called “lies”? Then why aren’t you doing the same on your own website?

    The answer is pretty clear: you can accuse Sarah Palin of murder without a shred of proof because you hate her. Therefore, the people on your website are just repeating what you believe to be true, so they’re not lying. It’s the same way you can rationalize your fellow Obama Party members and gays and lesbians calling directly for Sarah Palin and her family to be raped, shot, hung, and die in a plane crash; you hate her, so anything bad that happens to her is a net positive for you.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 10, 2011 @ 8:00 pm - January 10, 2011

  74. You are correct, V; Rob is desperately trying to spin away from the fact that he accused Sarah Palin of murder based on a Facebook map.

    He’s also upset because it’s being shown quite effectively how he’s quite ok with lies, violence, and so forth when they’re directed at people he doesn’t like — which, given his attempts to spin himself as moderate and fair, constitute two torpedo hits in the forward magazine.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 10, 2011 @ 8:08 pm - January 10, 2011

RSS feed for comments on this post.

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.