Remember, the American Left wants you to believe the GZM is good, nothing to worry about, and Islam is the “Religion of Peace”.
The new imam at the Ground Zero mosque and cultural center believes people who are gay were probably abused as children and that people who leave Islam and preach a new religion should be jailed.
Abdallah Adhami’s remarks on homosexuals, religious freedom and other topics have brought renewed criticism of the proposed community center and mosque near the World Trade Center site, which purports to be an inclusive organization.
Adhami, in a lecture on the Web site of his nonprofit, Sakeenah, says being gay is a “painful trial” caused by past trauma.
“An enormously overwhelming percentage of people struggle with homosexual feeling because of some form of violent emotional or sexual abuse at some point in their life,” he says. “A small, tiny percentage of people are born with a natural inclination that they cannot explain. You find this in the animal kingdom at some level as well.”
Charming. The Gay Left would be taking to the streets if this Imam’s last name was “Palin”.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
I don’t know why you decided to pick up on the bolded part, that’s the least offensive part of the piece in my opinion (so much so that you need to take it out of context for your sensationalist title). I’ve used homosexuality in the animal kingdom as a rebuttal to people saying “Homosexuality is a choice!” before since lower animals don’t have the capacity to ‘choose’ in the same way humans do. So I’d have to be a pretty big hypocrite to pick on Adhami for saying pretty much exactly the same thing.
The parts before though, I am sick and tired of hearing. Just because I feel same-gender attraction I must have been abused or traumatized in some way? It’s just Adhami projecting his disgust over homosexuality onto reality and assuming such a ‘disgusting’ thing must have equally disgusting origins rather rather than just being a natural variance within in the human gene pool.
Also, if Palin made comments like this, of course I’d be all over her. The difference is that you don’t hold up Abdallah Adhami as a Reaganesque figure that should serve as an example for politicians across the nation to follow. Some random imam made an anti-gay comment? I don’t see a big deal. One of the idols of GayPatriot made an anti-gay comment? Well in that case I’d like to hear what defence you come out with.
Also, in case someone decides to come out with this, supporting the right for this mosque to be built and for this imam to make his comments do not equal supporting these anti-gay statements. It equals supporting constitutional rights as universal rights.
Serenity,
Is he a homophobe?
Or, are you so objective and finely tuned in your quest for being fair and balanced that only Christians can be homophobes?
Out of curiosity, do we know how the GZM imam feels about the Caliphate and the “one true religion” and subjugating Sharia?
I can image Serenity coming around supporting Sharia as merely being a fresh way of administering justice. Of course, Serenity would chat them out of the homosexual stuff.
Serenity…
While it seems to be your forte`, I am sorry to tell you there’s not much of a future in a cherry-picking career.
Reading impaired much? Let’s try a PowerPoint approach.
Homo sapiens are animals.
Homosexual activity exists in the animal kingdom, of which we’re a part.
He says being gay is a “natural inclination” – albeit an inexplicable one.
Small percentage = Kinsey Sixes who are exclusively homosexual; Kinsey Zeros are exclusively Hetero. Everything in between is lovely shades of gray.
The overwhelming majority of gays did struggle with their sexual orientation. In fact most urban gay centers have huge psych departments and offer all forms of counseling for substance abuse and coping with religion-derived feelings of guilt. IE: The San Diego LGBT Center is the largest provider of mental health services int he County.
Your headline: Ground Zero Mosque Imam: ‘Gays Are Like Animals’
The harsh reality: The Judeo-Christian faith: ‘Gays are abominations and should be killed, for the Bible tells us so’
100% of the left does not think the GZM is a good thing. Some of us would prefer to see no religious representation at public memorials. This is especially true in the case of 3000 casualties who died as a result of a Islamist Jihah/Christian Crusade.
The harshest and most intelligent criticism of Islam comes from the left. The right mainly grunts, bristles and threatens to burn copies of the Qu’ran.
Your allies among the Christian right (Dominionists, etc.) want Christian Sharia, which is only slightly less awful than Islamic Sharia, because the Christian flavor was tempered by the Age of Enlightenment and western secularism. Orthodox Jews, by the way, have their own flavor of Sharia.
The imam’s comments don’t actually strike me as that big a deal; although he’s making an ignorant generalization, it’s pretty much on par with what we’ve long been accustomed to hearing from many religiously conservative Christians and Jews — namely, that homosexuals are in some way “broken heterosexuals.”
On the other hand, the fact that an American imam cannot bring himself to say that it’s WRONG for Muslims to persecute apostates is really fucking creepy and reprehensible.
Will we hear a self loathing gay leftist say, ¨I rather admit to being a gay muslim than a gay Republican,¨?
There has been no news on the final dispostion on the case of St. Nicholas´Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed by the fall of Tower Two. If St. Nicholas Church won´t be allowed to rebuild, then the mosque/recreation center shouldn´t be built there either.
I guess he missed that part in Biology class that we are all part of the animal kingdom…
>>>There has been no news on the final dispostion on the case of St. Nicholas´Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed by the fall of Tower Two.
That is a false equivalency.
Even the archdiocese spokesman, the Rev Mark Arey, said, “St. Nicholas has nothing to do with this mosque controversy. We believe in religious freedom, and whether the mosque should or shouldn’t be there, that’s a whole different dialogue.”
St Nicks is, in part, responsible for the delays: “…the Port Authority said negotiations ended because St. Nicholas demanded too much money and approval power over a vehicle security center beneath the sites. Port Authority spokesman Stephen Sigmund said the church can return to its original location. … In 2009, we made our final offer, which again included up to $60 million in public money, and told St. Nicholas Orthodox Church that the World Trade Center could not be delayed over this issue,” he said in a written statement. “They rejected that offer.”
“$60 million in public money???” That’s a lot of tax payer money.
Auntie Dogma,
If I remember correctly, the estimate is only 1 in 10 people is completely, absolutely heterosexual, and the rest, as you said, are some variation of homosexual. Society seems to have this need to put everything under a neat little label, though, and a large portion of those people will claim heterosexuality.
On another note, I’m pondering the possibility that Adhami’s spewing such hate because he’s overcompensating for his own “closeted” feelings. It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen it, and it won’t be the last.
100% of the left does not think the GZM is a good thing.
Sure it does. That’s why 100% of the left was shrieking that anyone who opposed the GZM was a racist Islamophobe and bigot.
Poor Dogma. Caught in your own lies and spin again.
This is especially true in the case of 3000 casualties who died as a result of a Islamist Jihah/Christian Crusade.
Oh, so we now see that Auntie Dogma is a 9/11 Truther, just like a strong plurality of the Obama Party and an overwhelming number of gay and lesbian people, as we see from Dogma’s and Rosie O’Donnell’s blabbering about how fire can’t melt steel and whatnot.
Delusional Dogma. Keep demonstrating how “progressives” like yourself, Levi, and Serenity think 9/11 was an inside job. Keep demonstrating how “progressives” like yourself and Serenity who kept insisting that the GZM wasn’t religious were a) lying and b) hypocritical.
So, using Senility and Granny Goodness’ arguments, neither of them would have a problem with someone killing them and taking their home/lair/partner?
After all, such behaviour is normal in the animal kingdom too.
Serenity says: Also, in case someone decides to come out with this, supporting the right for this mosque to be built and for this imam to make his comments do not equal supporting these anti-gay statements. It equals supporting constitutional rights as universal rights.
WRONG! It equals supporting diversity over universal rights. Check out Section 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
If you are going wrap yourself in the mantle of human rights to defend this man, then you should at least be familiar with them.
The difference is Muslims have zero political power in this country and unlike the Christrian’s, are not in a position to start slinging branding their religion on every last thing in this country.
You fight the battles that count.
By the way, Guess Who was born a Muslim at least as far as Muslim law is concerned, and who therefore left Islam and (in his public statements affirming his Christianity) has been preaching another religion? Hint: B – a – r – a – c- k – H – O…
The difference is Muslims have zero political power in this country and unlike the Christrian’s, are not in a position to start slinging branding their religion on every last thing in this country.
In other words, Dooms, you support discrimination against Christians based on their religious beliefs and suppression of any public expression of Christianity.
Such a disgusting little hypocrite you are. But that’s typical of a bigot, which is also what you are. A pathetic, disgusting, hatemongering bigot.
I find it funny how you guys openly berate and condemn Muslims (even go as far as claiming a Muslim shouldn’t be President, if that were ever the case)yet give blind unwavering support to Christians, the very people who are in government actively fighting against you.
Let me guess, this has nothing to do with race…
Northy I distrust most religions.
But I am practical, Muslims hold no political power, Christians do. I prioritize based on threat. Guess who poses a bigger threat?
Why is it whenever you speak against Christianity its suppression of their religious freedoms? Meanwhile these people do everything they can to stifle the religious freedoms of others, and the freedoms in general of gays.
This blog is always more interesting when focused on U.S. economics and politics, topics that directly effect the pocketbooks of U.S. citizens.
How is this news? No religion has ever said anything good about homosexuality. I suppose you feel it important because of a desire to pick out the parts of Islam which are objectionable to U.S. citizens. Which is your right of free speech. As it is equally for Imam Adhami, who was born here and went to Georgetown, and is speaking for his own flock. Let’s see some balance where the equally objectionable statements of Christian, Orthodox/Conservative Jewish, Buddhist, and whatever other religious leaders you can come up with are scrutinized and ridiculed. In your Archives there are 7 articles about “Religion (General)”, 2 of which are on Islam, 2 about Roman Catholicism, 1 about Obama and the Dalai Lama, 1 on Civil Partnerships, and 1 about a Mormon calendar of shirtless men. Except for Daniel’s post taking exception to a “Draw Mohammed Day”, they are all from 2008. Maybe there’s a reason for that guys? The blog also has an entire section on “Religion of Peace” whereby it takes pains to refute what it calls the “Leftist” assertion about Islam. Well, I can’t fault the lack of nuance in spiritual discernment when it comes to Gay Conservatives talking about religion.
Stick to politics and economics- these are the Gay Patriot’s strengths. Your posters also don’t need a degree in Area Studies or Religious Studies to sound as though they know what they’re talking about.
You fight the battles that count.
Translation: You fight anyone who doesn’t vote for the Obama Party.
After all, if this were a Christian pastor, Dooms and his fellow bigots would be screaming for the person’s head. But Dooms and his fellow bigots don’t care in this case, because they are bigots. They’re not rational, intelligent, or consistent; they just hate Christians.
Why should society support such obvious bigots as gay and lesbian people? Why should parents want their children to be taught by bigots like Dooms? Why should people like Dooms who openly advocate discrimination against Christians because of their religious beliefs be allowed to hold elective or judicial office? Why should employers be required to hire or keep employees like Dooms who obviously and blatantly discriminate against people on the basis of their religious beliefs?
Why is it whenever you speak against Christianity its suppression of their religious freedoms?
Because, Dooms, that’s what you and your fellow gays and lesbians shriek whenever anyone speaks against Islam.
Again, you get caught in your own lies and spin.
Northy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPV8yihd1Y0&feature=player_embedded#
Don’t you see, they just want to love you!
But I am practical, Muslims hold no political power, Christians do. I prioritize based on threat. Guess who poses a bigger threat?
So again, you discriminate against people and insist that those with religious beliefs should not hold political power or office.
Your bigotry and hypocrisy just become more and more obvious. Gays and lesbians like yourself are not fit to teach, hold public office, or be employed, since you clearly and obviously discriminate on the basis of religious beliefs.
Why does being gay or lesbian make you an antireligious bigot, Dooms?
Poor Dooms, so short on facts.
He tries to pull out the race card, apparently unaware that no one cares. He’s convinced in his delusions that he’s at war with Christians, when it’s the left that has the history of ‘treating’ sterilizing killing etc. gays. Again, it’s the National Socialists that gave us the pink triangle, but I bet Dooms doesn’t even know what it means. Of course, the Purple Triangle, likely has no meaning for him. Heck, Dooms would likely want to bring that one back.
Northy, where did I lie/and/or/spin?
I don’t openly advocate discrimination, I openly advocate calling out hypocrisy, it just so happens the “Christians” are full of it.
Maybe it’s because I’m young, smart, handsome, and have experience in a field that allows me insight to these kinds of things, but you are really coming off as bitter and jaded toward the gay community.
How sad,I understand not everyone fit’s in (trust me I 100% understand not fitting in) but for you to hate your fellow gays the way you do i just unhealthy.
It’s almost like…self loathing.
I never said that people who hold religious beliefs should not be elected, but why is it that non religious candidates have such hard times being elected to office?
And why is it that those of faith continually force their religion on to the rest of us?
I mean… http://friendlyatheist.com/2011/01/31/republican-sponsors-legislation-to-reaffirm-godly-motto/
Dooms – Please document where there is a Christian-run government who hangs gays and oppresses women to the same extent as Islamic-run governments.
PS – The USA is NOT a Christian-run government, so don’t even try. We have a variety of ethnic, racial and religious members in all branches of our government — from local to Federal.
Islamists governments (Iran, Saudi Arabia) have full control and oppress gays & women through GOVERNMENT POWER.
Dooms says: I find it funny how you guys openly berate and condemn Muslims (even go as far as claiming a Muslim shouldn’t be President, if that were ever the case)yet give blind unwavering support to Christians, the very people who are in government actively fighting against you.
In the past 50 years, how many gays and lesbians were killed in the name of Christianity versus the number killed in the name of Islam? I’m gay and in my book someone against gay marriage is not on the same page as someone who uses their religion as an excuse to kill. I would feel immensely safer wearing a t-shirt that states “I’m Gay!” to Sunday services in any Baptist church in Texas than I would to any mosque during Friday services.
I find it funny how you guys openly berate and condemn Muslims (even go as far as claiming a Muslim shouldn’t be President, if that were ever the case)yet give blind unwavering support to Christians, the very people who are in government actively fighting against you.
Let me guess, this has nothing to do with race…
Actually, Dooms, given how you shriek that white people who claim they are doing “the Lord’s will” are theocrats and Dominionists and that white people who talk about praying and good spirits are superstitious idiots, but then insist that black people who do both are brilliant, obviously there IS a racial component here.
Why don’t you follow the same standards for people of different skin color, Dooms? Do you believe black people are inferior, and that’s why you don’t require them to be “rational”?
How nice. Not only are gays and lesbians like Dooms antireligious bigots, they’re also racists. How very typical.
You know that’s a funny thing amongst conservatives. Any mention of discrimination based on minority status is referred to as a “card” or “playing the victim”, meanwhile conservatives are forever playing the victim. Whether they are claiming their faith is being attacked, the gay agenda is trying to turn kids gay, or whatever, they always claim to be the victim.
The difference is, people of different races/sexual orientation actually are discriminated against and you attempt to cheapen their plight’s and arguments by labeling them “whiners”.
Bruce, Uganda. Which is visited quite often by American Evangelicals.
Also, take a look at any number of gay bashings that take place in this country. All of it stems from rhetoric spewed by evangelicals that condemn gays claiming we are worthy of distrust, hate, and violence.
I don’t openly advocate discrimination
I never said that people who hold religious beliefs should not be elected
Of course you do. You stated that Christians should be attacked and kept out of government because of their faith.
You’re an antireligious bigot, Dooms.
And as has been shown, you’re a hypocrite AND a racist. You attack white people who say one thing and support and endorse black people who say the same thing.
And now you’re blabbering that anyone who calls you out on your lies and bigotry hates all gay people.
Funny how someone who claims to be as successful as you are has to hide behind their minority status. One would think that someone who is as intelligent as you claim to be wouldn’t have to resort to the, “All gays think the same way I do so that makes me right” argument.
All you’re doing is demonstrating that the gay and lesbian community is just like you — a bunch of antireligious, racist bigots.
The difference is, people of different races/sexual orientation actually are discriminated against and you attempt to cheapen their plight’s and arguments by labeling them “whiners”.
Yup, Dooms, just like the cases I’ve already chronicled in which gays and lesbians screamed it was “homophobic” to fire them for sexually harassing their coworkers or investigate them for molesting children.
Why do you think you have the right to sexually harass people at work or molest children because of your sexual orientation, Dooms? Why do you and yours scream “discrimination” and “homophobia” when you are punished for doing so?
You really don’t have anything to offer other than your sexual orientation, do you, Dooms? That’s why you and yours are so desperate to keep playing that card, isn’t it?
Nice try Dooms
You brought race up with this “Let me guess, this has nothing to do with race…”
Then when you’re called on it, you try to squirm.
“You know that’s a funny thing amongst conservatives. Any mention of discrimination based on minority status is referred to as a “card” or “playing the victim”, meanwhile conservatives are forever playing the victim.”
So let me make this clear. You accuse our stance of being based on race. Then you whine that I’m accusing you of ‘playing the race card’ and try ot turn it back on me.
Sorry you son of a bitch, you’re the one accusing us of being racists and when called on it, you try to pretend you never did.
You’re the one who has said you’ll fight against Christians because ‘it’s a battle you can win’. Of course you can win… We don’t want you dead.
All of it stems from rhetoric spewed by evangelicals that condemn gays claiming we are worthy of distrust, hate, and violence.
But you don’t care about such rhetoric when it comes from Muslims; in fact, you stated above that there was no need to do anything about it.
What’s the matter, bigot? Finally get caught in your lies and spin? Why is it that you shriek and scream that any rhetoric from Christians should be called out and punished, but insist that it’s no problem when Muslims do it?
THAT is what this whole post is about, and you just demonstrated your complete and total hypocrisy. You are a liar and a bigot, Dooms — an anti-Christian bigot.
Gays and lesbians like yourself support discrimination against Christians based on their religious beliefs. You argue that there’s nothing wrong with discriminating against Christians based on their religious beliefs. You argue that Christians who are discriminated against based on their religious beliefs have no right to complain or air their grievances.
You are an epic-level bigot. Furthermore, since the type of religious discrimination you advocate is strictly and completely forbidden by the Constitution itself, you make it clear that gays and lesbians think they should be exempt from having to follow the laws because of their sexual orientation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/26/kentucky-hate-crimes-gay_n_694717.html
In this story, a man was beat with a pool cue for no reason other than being gay http://www.dallasvoice.com/gay-man-severely-beaten-pool-cue-apparent-hate-crime-shreveport-bar-1062755.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2664948/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2665554/posts
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,450884,00.html
Congratulations Dooms, you’ve just argued that we should worry about all SSM supporters.
If you people can’t tell that there is a much higher “Christian” population in this country and a much smaller “Muslim” one…well I can’t help you.
The simple fact that calling someone “faggot” and normalization of terms such as “Thats gay” or “No homo” or the way anti-gay hate crimes are handled doesn’t strike you as odd…well denial can only carry you so far I thought. Clearly you people must be delusional as well.
Guess what! Straight people molest kids, sexually assault workers, and beat their wives, for you to imply that this is something done strictly by gays is not only disgusting, it shows you have some very deep rooted hatred for yourself.
I think that’s the issue, those of you who are on here and actually are gay have never fully accepted yourselves. You feel you aren’t normal and continually buy into the bull fed to you everyday that you don’t deserve to be treated with dignity and fairness.
Well why you all attempt to wrestle with unresolved issues of your sexuality, the rest of us, the ones that DON’T have issues with who we are will continue to get shit done.
You’re welcome.
Really? None of you comment on the string of anti-gay hate crimes?
Sad.
Oh, so now Doomsie is playing the incident by incident game!
All right then, I’ve already shown how gays and lesbians like Dooms rape and molest children and sexually harass people at their jobs; now I can show how Doomsie has bareback sex with children and gives them HIV.
And you want to see that Doomsie and the gay and lesbian community want children so they can rape them and then sell sex with them online to other gays and lesbians?
Why do gays and lesbians support having sex with children and infecting them with HIV? Why do gays and lesbians think that should be normal behavior, bigot Dooms?
Really, Dooms? No comment on the sexual exploitation of children by gays and lesbians and how gays and lesbians have bareback sex with children and give them HIV?
Sad.
Wow Northy, you REALLY dislike gays.
You apparently think that gays not only started child sex rings, but are the only people involved in them.
It’s ok Northy, I understand that your anger is just all that hatred for yourself turning its self outward. Let it out man, combat your demons.
Why does this blog openly promote hatred of gays?
You apparently think that gays not only started child sex rings, but are the only people involved in them.
Oh hardly.
The difference is that I’ve never seen anyone scream it was “heterophobic” to investigate and punish people for sexually molesting children, or to argue that sexualizing and exploiting children was normal.
Gays and lesbians like yourself, Dooms, are the only ones who make excuses for both and insist that it’s a natural part of their sexual orientation. See how you’ve started screaming that anyone who calls out gays and lesbians for molesting children is “self-hating”? Your logic is clear; NORMAL gays and lesbians see nothing wrong with having bareback sex with teenagers and giving them HIV, or sexually exploiting children. It’s a natural and regular part of being gay or lesbian, and anyone who criticizes it “hates themselves”.
It’s a pity that you can’t just realize that your perverse desires to rape and molest children are abnormal, Dooms. But just like your anti-Christian bigotry, your attitudes are wholly and completely irrational. You’re hiding behind your sexual orientation and using it as an excuse for completely-antisocial behavior.
It’s ok Northy, I know you don’t mean it.
Let it out man, there is only acceptance.
LOL….this blog is against molestation of children and calls for consistent treatment of religious beliefs.
Therefore, according to Dooms and the gay and lesbian community, it promotes hatred of gays.
I think Dooms is making it obvious that gay and lesbian people and their antireligious bigotry and pro-pedophilia worldviews are fundamentally at odds with what is important to American society. When parents who complain about their children being sexually molested by gays are branded as “homophobes” and gays and lesbians like Dooms openly call for barring Christians from elective office or public expression of their political beliefs, there is a significant problem here.
Consistent treatment of religious beliefs?
As long as they aren’t brown and pray to Allah right?
I guess that is consistent…they consistently support jackbooted Christian thugs, and consistently hate Muslims, regardless of the type of person they are.
Stay classy guys.
Let it out man, there is only acceptance.
That’s exactly the point, Dooms.
You “accept” blatant antireligious bigotry. You “accept” child molestation. But hilariously, you DON’T accept Christians, allowing people of Christian belief to hold office, or public expressions of Christian belief.
You tolerate what the vast majority of non-gays and lesbians find intolerable and you are completely intolerant towards the beliefs of the vast majority of non-gays and lesbians.
Therein lies the problem.
I guess that is consistent…they consistently support jackbooted Christian thugs, and consistently hate Muslims, regardless of the type of person they are.
Keep spewing your bigotry, Dooms.
Calling all Christians “jackbooted thugs” just makes that more obvious.
And your hypocrisy becomes even more blatant when you whine about “Muslims” while making it clear that you don’t care what they’re saying, you support them regardless.
Meanwhile, racist Dooms, why do you think black people are inferior and can’t be held to the same standards as white people?
Wow..you have like this Cylon like ability to create your own reality. I envy you, but not your fantasy.
You seem to think that all gays rape,eat,and infect children with std’s. That is some hardcore projection going on there (ironically that’s what Cylons called it!)
Poor guy, it must be tough dealing with those thoughts you have. Have you tried seeking professional help? I would really like it if you got that help before you did something terrible to a child.
When did I ever claim I didn’t like black people or thought that they are in anyway inferior.
You seem to think that all gays rape,eat,and infect children with std’s.
Clearly all gays and lesbians like you do, Dooms; otherwise, you wouldn’t be running around calling people who criticize that “self-hating”, nor would you be claiming that people who oppose such behavior need psychological help.
Clearly rape, molestation, and STD infection of children is something you consider normal behavior for gays and lesbians. Like I pointed out, heterosexuals don’t go screaming “heterophobe” when people are investigated and punished for child molestation, nor do they insist being fired for sexual harassment in the workplace is “heterophobia”. Only gays and lesbians seem to do that.
You are the one that brought this stuff up and continues too.
I can only assume that these are YOUR thoughts, and I pity you. Please, seek help before you inflict these horrible ideas of yours onto an innocent child.
When did I ever claim I didn’t like black people or thought that they are in anyway inferior.
Right here, Dooms.
As I pointed out, you shriek that white people who use such statements are theocrats, Dominionists, and superstitious idiots, but fully support and endorse black people who say such things as being brilliant.
That makes it clear that you consider black people intellectually inferior, given that they can only reach idiot level when judged by the same standards used on white people.
Oh I can play this game.
Why do you feel that it’s important to deny that blacks experience life in America differently from whites, regardless of social/economic status?
Why do you deny White Privilege?
Please, seek help before you inflict these horrible ideas of yours onto an innocent child.
“Horrible thoughts”, Dooms?
You have stated that anyone who criticizes such behaviors or activities and DOESN’T accept them as normal is a self-loathing, self-hating homophobe who needs professional psychological help.
Your pretend-loathing of child sexual abuse would be more convincing if you weren’t spinning for and claiming it’s normal behavior for gays and lesbians like the ones I’ve pointed out.
Poor little Dooms, Note how he ignores my pointing out that if he’s going to list attacks on gays as a reason to fear Christians, then surely the link I posted justified fear of gays for attacking Christians.
His reply? “Really? None of you comment on the string of anti-gay hate crimes?”
Typical liberal troll. He ignores realties that are inconvenient to him.
And again the coward tries to hide behind slurring those he thinks he can beat as racists. He’s afraid that Christians would always use their ‘power’ to oppress, but prefers to ignore that the lunatics who have power and do use it are predominantly of the Muslim faith.
Unlike Dooms, we see people as individuals. He chooses to see characters, straw men he can attack and vindicate himself.
“Why do you deny White Privilege?”
And there you have it. Attacking whites is fine by Dooms.
Again showing that those who try to hide behind race are the most racist of all.
Why do you feel that it’s important to deny that blacks experience life in America differently from whites, regardless of social/economic status?
Because you are making a hard-and-fast statement based on skin color.
I don’t believe that “all blacks” have the same experience, just as I don’t believe that “all whites” do. Experience comes from different situations, not just from skin color.
Indeed, your statement is patently racist. You have neatly subdivided the entire world and lumped everyone together by skin color, irrespective of any of the other factors that go into “experience”, claiming that all “blacks” have the same experience and all “whites” have the same experience.
Liberalism was supposed to be about people and character, not about skin color. But as we see, liberals like yourself are fixated on and see the entire world in terms of skin color. You think everyone else is racist because you yourself have an entire set of expectations that you project onto every person based on their skin color.
Find me one black person who has not felt the sting of bigotry and I will show you a man ignorant of the world around him.
Also, I have to openly state people who are against these terrible things?
As a general rule of them people usually are, unless they aren’t. Also many people never really think to quote themselves on any range of things, let alone things such as the horrible thoughts running through your deranged little head.
I really do pity you.
Also, can anyone provide a reason to oppose gay marriage that is not bible based?
Find me one black person who has not felt the sting of bigotry and I will show you a man ignorant of the world around him.
So anyone who DOESN’T think the way you do is ignorant?
That shows very well your racist beliefs, Dooms. You believe that any black person who doesn’t think exactly the way that you do is “ignorant”. Whether they have been discriminated against or not doesn’t matter — you KNOW they have, and their beliefs, perceptions, and attitudes are irrelevant.
That is the most racist statement I’ve ever seen. You have generalized a person’s entire life experience based solely on their skin color.
I do so love how poor cornered hypocrites and bigots like Dooms blunder into their own rhetorical walls.
Also, I have to openly state people who are against these terrible things?
Yes you do. Remember what you demanded above, Dooms?
42.Really? None of you comment on the string of anti-gay hate crimes?
Sad.
Comment by Dooms — January 31, 2011 @ 1:35 pm – January 31, 2011
You demanded that other people do it. Live up to your own rules, bigot.
That’s really what makes your whines of “equality” so hilarious, Dooms. You DON’T believe in equality. You believe in setting yourself up as privileged based on your sexual orientation, and insist that you don’t have to follow any of the rules or requirements you demand of others.
67.Also, can anyone provide a reason to oppose gay marriage that is not bible based?
Yes. The Muslim quoted in this article does so based on the Koran — which you stated was perfectly all right, not a problem, no need to worry, perfectly rational and acceptable, no issues at all with the rhetoric, no big deal.
So once again, Dooms, you’re just demonstrating that you’re an anti-Christian bigot and hypocrite.
This one statement of the gay and lesbian community really, REALLY needs to be called out.
65.Find me one black person who has not felt the sting of bigotry and I will show you a man ignorant of the world around him.
Comment by Dooms — January 31, 2011 @ 2:20 pm – January 31, 2011
Bluntly put, the gay and lesbian community says that any black person who thinks they haven’t “felt the sting of bigotry” is ignorant — and thus needs to be taught how everyone is bigoted toward them.
Think about that. Gays and lesbians like Dooms aren’t working toward the elimination of discrimination. They are working towards more and more and more people feeling discriminated against. Indeed, they are openly stating that, if you DON’T feel discriminated against, you are wrong and “ignorant” — and presumably need to be “enlightened”.
Dooms is a grievance-monger. The gay and lesbian community is overwhelmingly like Dooms — people who are looking for a reason to claim discrimination and who openly attack people who DON’T feel discriminated against, namecalling them as “ignorant” and deriding them as fools.
Again, Dooms is actually trying to create and encourage racial hatred against white people. This is what the gay and lesbian community does; it whips up hatred against white people, against Christians, and against all the other targets of the left, and it attacks those minorities who don’t go along with this hatred as “self-loathing”, “self-hating”, and “ignorant”.
Tell us, again, why people like these should be tolerated at CPAC? They have already demonstrated that they’re just looking to brand everyone there as racists and bigots, regardless of what they do.
Note how now that Dooms racism is called out, he has to spin back to changing the subject.
guess what Dooms. there is no such thing as ‘white privilege’ In fact, you cite discrimination as a source of all grievance. I look to people like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Clarence Thomas as people to admire because they don’t whine about ‘white privilege’ like you do. Heck, you can look through American history and see countless groups that assimimate and excel. You choose to ignore Justice Thomas and focus on the rants of Jessie Jackson. You choose to ignore ‘No dogs or Irish’ and ignore historical greats like Phil Sheridan. You chose to ignore discrimination of Italians and achievements of people like Anton Scalia.
Conservatives celebrate the merit and accomplishments of the individual. We work to give the individual the chance to excel. Liberals like you want everyone to look at the color of their skin, or where they go on Sunday.
Why does Dooms deny White Guilt?
First of all, Bruce, the headline may be misleading. I don’t know if this imam was trying to compare homosexuals with (non-human) animals, but perhaps he was. In any case, the comment in bold is tame in comparison to his other anti-gay, ignorant comments.
Interestingly, I recall homophobes in the past justifying their anti-gay bigotry by saying that homosexuality must be unnatural, because it does not occur in the animal kingdom. Which, of course, is
1) untrue
2) even if it were true, then by that “logic,” they must immediately call for the dismantling of schools, churches, hospitals, etc., because they don’t appear among the animals either.
I oppose a mosque being built near Ground Zero as well, but my opposition is tepid compared to others. First of all, I’m not sure how it can be prohibited, especially when Bloomberg, and even Christie have not opposed such a move. Further, I am more concerned about the imams associated with this mosque more than the location. I remember there being possible ties to terrorists from one of the previous imams, statements, etc., that were of great concern. And certainly, these ignorant, medieval statements by Adhami are problematic. I am troubled by these individuals regardless of the location of the mosque.
Getting to some of the other points brought up here, I do understand those who are more concerned by anti-gay bigotry by Christians than by Moslems. Yes, there are more anti-gay Christians in this country by far, than anti-gay Moslems. No, this does not excuse anti-gay bigotry by anyone, and on an individual basis, I find the anti-gay bigotry equally deplorable, regardless of religion. But it’s the anti-gay Christians that have done more to stall progress of gay rights than anti-gay Moslems, simply because of numbers. On the global scale, it’s a different story. I believe that Islamists are more of a danger to Western Civilization than Christianists, much more, in fact.
So while I understand those who seem less troubled by Moslems in this country, I don’t understand that, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, many of these same persons support Palestine while condemning Israel. Say what you want about Israel, but if I were a gay Muslim, I would feel 1000 times safer in Israel than in Palestine.
Tell us, again, why people like these should be tolerated at CPAC? They have already demonstrated that they’re just looking to brand everyone there as racists and bigots, regardless of what they do.
NDT, these persons are not going to CPAC. GOProud is. And GOProud has made clear what their agenda is.
lovely…….and we are treading softly around these people why????
I’m curious: Given that liberals, and their media lap dogs, have a long documented history of lying about “hate crimes”, why in the hell would I have any interest in following Doops’ links? That leads me to doubt him/her/it all the more.
Kinda weird. WalMart, that bete-noir of the uber-left, decided not to build a SuperCenter on the site of a Civil War battlefield, because canceling their plans was “the right thing to do.”
Contrast with Park51 and their desire to build a Muqata on a site where human remains and aircraft parts rained down on 09-11-2001…
Y’know… I just don’t even believe it any more when lefties whine about “hate crimes.” They lie so easily and so often, I just don’t believe them about anything.
@5 WTF is Judeo-Christian Faith? That makes as much sense as the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition one philosophy. prof talked about There isn’t one. They are different religions. Mayor Koch explained this once. Find a religion that says gay sex is totally cool: hell, even the atheists in the old USSR disapproved. It was a death sentence there too. (oh, look… it’s not in Christian countries. How odd?)
@11 – Pick and choose much? Knowing the lawyer that works for Archdiocese, the reluctance comes from the shit NYC is requiring of them to rebuild. Mayor Bloomberg didn’t smooth their path like he did the mosque. They don’t have rich enough members.
@DNT – My friend, you are feeding the troll. I think we need a pool on who’s behind this sock puppet.
Right. After two weeks of stomping on your OWN flaming bag of dog shit and two more weeks pissing and moaning about “civility”, we’re the victims?
Liberals thrive off of “nobody likes us, everybody hates us”. Liberals project their own racism, sexism, bigotry, anti-Semitism and homophobia onto Republicans to keep the gays, Hispanics and blacks chained up on the plantation. It’s the liberals that rely on fear to keep the minorities subjugated. It’s been that way for decades and ALL of their legislation is based on that fear.
Hi TL,
To clear up a misconception at #27:
“He’s convinced in his delusions that he’s at war with Christians, when it’s the left that has the history of ‘treating’ sterilizing killing etc. gays. Again, it’s the National Socialists that gave us the pink triangle”
Yes, but the National Socialists were on the other side of the political spectrum–i.e., the extreme right. This is a mis-naming (considering what the NSDAP finally morphed into), For example, consider the “German Democratic Republic.” It was neither democratic nor a republic. When you actually looked at the NSDAP platfiorm (25 Points) –stated some socialist leaning tenets but these were never put into practice; in practice it did not share the tenets of left wing parties (For example, Hitler supported, and was supported by, private enterprise/business, e.g., Krupp & IG Farben. Hitler got rid of unions–replacing them with the German Labour Front (DAF)–which pleased these privately owned businesses, since it kept those workers in line). It is easy to see that extreme right and left wing organizations actually look a lot alike in their reliance on totalitarian methods, even if there ideologies can be very different (desire for strong sense of patriotism and strong military, when pushed hard enough becomes a militant virulent nationalism). When he was critiqued by Otto Strasser that he had abandoned true National Socialist principles, Hitler replied: “your kind of socialism is nothing but Marxism. The mass of the working class want nothing but bread and games. They will never understand the meaning of an ideal, and we cannot hope to win them over to one.” In Hitler’s own words, an economic system must “select from a new master-class men who will not allow themselves to be guided . . . by the morality of pity.” Having said this, it is clear that Hitler despised the freedom of choice inherent in the capitalist system, but he did so pushing from the right not the left.
Thank you for the reply Cas,
I’d point to books like Jonah Goldberg’s ‘Liberal Fascism’ for more on the left vs. right axis.
That quote by Hitler however: “select from a new master-class men who will not allow themselves to be guided . . . by the morality of pity.” Does sound frightenly familiar.
Hi TL,
““select from a new master-class men who will not allow themselves to be guided . . . by the morality of pity.” Does sound frightenly familiar.”
Yes it does. As a right back at you moment, http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/, visited 2 February 2011.
As for Goldberg, I have read some, but got irritated by the historical and philosophical inaccuracies. I want to grant you that there is an impulse to desire greater control, that you worry about in a left leaning position. After all, totalitarianism on the left is well documented (Lenin, Stalin, et al). I do not go as far as Goldberg does and lay that brush of totalitarianism at liberalism’s feet. As Gordon (from the Mises Institute) says:
“Leftists wish to reconstruct society along socialistic lines; fascists glorify the nation and militarism. How can leftists favor fascism? Goldberg readily resolves the difficulty. Precisely by importing the war spirit into domestic affairs, leftists hope to reconstruct society. In war, people unite to achieve victory; in doing so, they sacrifice their personal ends to achieve the common goal. The fascists took exactly the same view, and many leftists accordingly recognized the affinity.”
But that in and of itself, “sharing an affinity” does not make leftists fascists. One can do exactly this from the right side of the political spectrum. One problem, I guess, is the haziness with which fascism is defined. Even so, it has characteristics that do not fit classic far leftist positions, but rather rightist ones. Whereas classic communists look to dissolve the nation state (in ideal, if not in practice) the exact opposite is the case with fascism. Still, there are echoes for leftists in this list of characteristics!
Extreme ideology- celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties.
Emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction.
Calls for a “spiritual revolution” against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge “alien” forces and groups that threaten the organic community.
Celebrates masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence.
Often promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide.
Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three:
1. Rejects the principles of class struggle and workers’ internationalism as threats to national or racial unity.
YET
Often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scape-goating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories.
2. Rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government. Favours an elite that governs.
YET
Advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.
3. Its vision of a “new order” clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies.
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It often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth. It speaks strongly to nationalist sentiment.
I think I’ll defer to your readings on this topic at least, Cas.
Though I do think Nationalism and Socialism can work hand in hand. Lenin did a lot of mixing of the two.
Hi TL,
No worries.