Sarah Palin is okay with GOProud participation in CPAC
HOPE: Sarah Palin Throws Support Behind GOProud Participation at CPAC.
Palin has quietly backed the end of DADT and expressed support for conservative gays and lesbians in the past. Speaking here with David Brody from the Christian Broadcast Network and excerpted by Breitbart TV, Palin doesn’t endorse GOProud but does defend their attendance at CPAC, and argues that the value of events such as CPAC is to debate the issues and provide as much information as possible to attendees
Not quite a ringing endorsement, but she does seem to subscribe to the view that the conservative movement should be open to all who embrace conservative ideas. And note also that the accomplished former Alaska Governor is talking to someone from the Christian Broadcast Network which surely includes some viewers who would not welcome GOProud’s participation. This lady is not pandering to her audience.
Make sure to check out Ed’s post for his poll on GOProud participation.
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Currently of 2,696 votes, 77.93% (2,101) voted for “We should welcome any groups that broadly agree on conservative policy ”
Only 10.91% (294) said “Yes, definitely“
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 7, 2011 @ 2:48 pm - February 7, 2011
BOOSH!! I beat Steve and AuntieDogTurd for the #1 spot!
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 7, 2011 @ 2:49 pm - February 7, 2011
*Why* are we letting “them” distract us with these issues at this time? By “them”, I mean the mainstream media, of course. Certainly, GOProud is welcome at CPAC, as is anyone else who champions classical liberal values. We cannot allow them to turn this an issue where there is none. There is too much at stake at the moment.
@TGC: Not sure where that poll number came from and I’m not sure I trust it.
Comment by quiznilo — February 7, 2011 @ 2:55 pm - February 7, 2011
The poll is a hotair.com poll, totally not scientific, just a quick poll of visitors to hotair.com. I am one of the 10% or so who voted ‘yes definitely’ btw.
Comment by darkeden — February 7, 2011 @ 5:37 pm - February 7, 2011
A) Where is the above poll from?
B) I feel like I should go give Palin some money…
Comment by Tim — February 7, 2011 @ 5:50 pm - February 7, 2011
Except that it doesn’t. At the end of the day, there are still prominent conservatives who would rather not attend a conference hosted in part by a gay organization. Additionally, most conservatives that are holding seats voted against DADT. Let’s see what Palin would do if she was in a position of accountability before we start showering her with praise.
No, I’m afraid the narrative is still very much intact.
Comment by Levi — February 7, 2011 @ 6:15 pm - February 7, 2011
Once again proving, there is no truth on the left, there is only “the narrative.”
Comment by V the K — February 7, 2011 @ 7:30 pm - February 7, 2011
Facts hurt your brain, don’t they Levi?
Fact is, you can’t support the lefty meme that Palin is some sort of anti-gay ‘homo-hater.’ There is simply nothing concrete to back it up.
Sorry to hurt your meme bud.
Comment by AF_Vet — February 7, 2011 @ 7:37 pm - February 7, 2011
I’m surprised to see Hot Air with only 8900 Facebook followers. I thought they were ginormous. (Yeah, I know….completely random.)
Comment by Bobbiea — February 7, 2011 @ 8:10 pm - February 7, 2011
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Hell, the DNC won’t even hold their convention in a union state. Do you really think all the prominent liberals would show up for a HRC shindig (without the threat of screaming queens calling them bigots)??
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 7, 2011 @ 10:51 pm - February 7, 2011
The 10% apparently come from Red State, from which Ive now been banned for arguing that their Slytherin-style, Pure-Blood-Conservatism, only hurts, not helps the Conservative movement — and for using the phrase “Masturbatory Puritanism” — but mostly for the first part — cus it was spot on.
I didn’t know Red State was so LGF.
Comment by American Elephant — February 7, 2011 @ 10:57 pm - February 7, 2011
Sarah Palin supports GOProud attending CPAC? That’s ok, but I think she should be careful. The more welcoming of gays the conservative movement becomes the LESS welcoming it will become of social conservatives like Palin herself, and me. It seems that where gays are concerned, the “big tent” always ends up going one way.
Comment by Seane-Anna — February 7, 2011 @ 11:09 pm - February 7, 2011
Seane Anna
Which term do you prefer? Masturbatory Puritan or Slytherin-Conservative?
I coined both phrases today, dealing with ideological “purists” such as yourself, and I rather like them both. Which do you prefer?
I also rather like the phrase “Pup-tent” conservatism, which is what you promote. I coined that too. I think Im on a roll.
Which do you prefer to be called?
Comment by American Elephant — February 7, 2011 @ 11:34 pm - February 7, 2011
American Elephant, why do I have to be a “purist” for pointing out that the “big tent” does usually go one way where gays are concerned? Have you been deaf and blind to the “good riddance” attitude most people here have had toward the CPAC boycotters? Are you blind to the fact that “ignoing” social issues and embracing the social Left’s view of homosexuality is fast becoming the new litmus test for “good” conservatives? And I’m supposed to be the purist?
Since you despise purity and are dedicated to the big tent, AE, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind a few socialists, radical Muslims, or Code Pinkers attending CPAC or attaching themselves to the conservative movement, all in the name of the big tent. I mean, so what if socialists, radical Muslims, or Code Pinkers actively oppose conservative principles, they can still be conservative because we can’t have any “Puritans” deciding for EVERYONE what conservatism means. Right, AE?
Comment by Seane-Anna — February 8, 2011 @ 12:29 am - February 8, 2011
Seanne Anna,
Apparently you missed the glaring contradiction inherent in your very own statement.
SOME social “conservatives” are boycotting CPAC over the mere inclusion of GOProud and yet you accuse gays of being the ones who have a one way attitude???
Physician, heal thyself.
Says who? Says Dan and GOProud, but the mere fact that they are being welcomed to a Conservative confab does NOT mean anyone agrees with or endorses that view.
What a silly comparison. Which conservative ideas do they support. NONE. Whilst Dan and GOProud support all sorts of conservative principles (although not as many as I would like, but I’m working on that) including smaller less intrusive government, less spending, a strong military, conservative jurists (I believe *crosses fingers*).
Now, I think the organization is a little confused as to why it exists, embracing identity politics , which are inherently leftist, on the one hand, and supporting conservatism, on most issues, which is about individual rights on the other, but I still have no doubt they are conservative on most issues.
The Reagan coalition, contrary to the purists at Red State, is not a group of people who all support all three legs of the coalition, but rather a coalition of people who support three different legs coming together to form a majority.
Purists such as yourself and the Slytherins at RedState would sacrifice that majority to masturbate in front of everyone about how pure you are.
And its the one kind of conservative/Republican that I have the least respect for.
You can agree with GOProud about slashing the budget without committing yourself to support gay marriage, you know?
Comment by American Elephant — February 8, 2011 @ 12:56 am - February 8, 2011
Meanwhile on the other side, The DLC is dead.The last vestige of Democrat centrism has been swept aside, and the Democrats are now a progressive socialist party.
Comment by V the K — February 8, 2011 @ 5:29 am - February 8, 2011
I’m sure some, at least, are versatile.
Bow-chika-bow-wow!
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 8, 2011 @ 5:43 am - February 8, 2011
Huh?
Not all gays are the of the same ideology.
Not all social conservatives would list the same five litmus test items for being members of the social conservative insiders platinum club and frequent deniers circle.
Even the vaunted “conservative movement” is without true definition.
You can be for cutting back the federal government, conquering the deficit, tax reform, the free market and obeying the Constitution and be gay or allow abortion or reform social security or whatever.
Are the Republicans supposed to shut down entry to anyone who might offend some Puritanical litmus test among already embattled groups of splintered Puritans who battle over whether the organist plays too loud or the bell choir should not have new robes? And a Mormon, at that!
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Comment by Heliotrope — February 8, 2011 @ 9:28 am - February 8, 2011
Sarah Palin and Glen Beck are libertarians, if that helps in clarifying their position to you.
Comment by RJLigier — February 8, 2011 @ 11:52 am - February 8, 2011
Sarah Palin’s comments are as clear as mud on this issue. Nevertheless, appealing to authority figures is not the best argument in the world. Or fake polls people.
Conflict of interest question: Isn’t Grover Norquist, a board member of the American Conservative Union which runs CPAC? And doesn’t he also sit on GOProud’s Advisory Council?
http://www.atr.org/grover-norquist-a3016#
http://www.goproud.org/board-of-directors-advisory-council/
And:“Norquist’s ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years,” states American Thinker.
(http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/grover_norquists_jihad.html)
I guess though appeasing gay-killing Islamists and sniffing at Southern Baptists and Catholics is the “ethical” thing to do. How now.
Comment by Ben — February 8, 2011 @ 5:51 pm - February 8, 2011
Ironic: A criticism of appeal to authority… followed by an appeal to authority. Anyway, Norquist is a slimy little weasel who is a discredit to any organization he attaches himself to. This is why I abhor politics and stick to principles.
Comment by V the K — February 8, 2011 @ 6:31 pm - February 8, 2011
Someone was in the Music Man!
Comment by American Elephant — February 8, 2011 @ 7:42 pm - February 8, 2011
Someone was Eddie Hodges’ tutor.
Comment by Heliotrope — February 8, 2011 @ 8:01 pm - February 8, 2011
Slytherin put out another article demanding Hogwarts (conservatism) only accept pure-bloods.
What they dont realize is that among the 40% plurality of Americans who call themselves conservatives are fiscal conservatives who dont support defense hawks, defense hawks who dont support fiscal conservatives, and social conservatives who arent all that opposed to government spending.
Were we to accept the RedState/Slytherin definition of conservatism, that 40% would be reduced to 10 or 20 percent.
How to shrink a movement — by Eric Erickson
Comment by American Elephant — February 8, 2011 @ 8:01 pm - February 8, 2011
had to look him up, but thats pretty cool!
Comment by American Elephant — February 8, 2011 @ 8:05 pm - February 8, 2011
How about this: Don McKay, who was my first gay best friend, was stuck as an understudy for Tony in West Side Story. When Chita Rivera left the Broadway cast to open in London, I was in a position to help convince Harold Prince to cast him there as Tony. That little shrimp (Don) was an overwhelming and powerful Tony, in my opinion, the best ever cast. He was no movie prototype, but he had more power and stage presence than anyone who ever took that role. We still swap lies when I am in NYC. (He could not play across from Carol Lawrence because of shape and size. But he was so totally right in every other way that Carol Lawrence should have been the “also-ran” in the original B’way cast.) Ancient history now, but MM beat WSS for the awards in ’57-’58.
Comment by Heliotrope — February 8, 2011 @ 9:21 pm - February 8, 2011
Eddie Hodges
Oh, a Mississippi boy.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 8, 2011 @ 10:45 pm - February 8, 2011
…only cus you didnt see me play Tony in high school! And count yourself among the lucky!
Comment by American Elephant — February 9, 2011 @ 2:59 am - February 9, 2011
Down with the Puritans, Heliotrope? Ok, then. So next year, or the year after that, or the year after that, let’s have Mary Kay Letourneau give a speech at CPAC, so long as she’ll commit to smaller government and fiscal responsibility. She could give a heck of a speech about getting government out of our bedrooms, couldn’t she? That’ll really put the Puritans in their place. Damn those Puritans!
Comment by Seane-Anna — February 9, 2011 @ 7:21 am - February 9, 2011
Physican heal thyself, American Elephant? That would be true if all of CPAC’s social conservative groups and individuals were boycotting the confab, but they aren’t. Also, if you’d read other threads related to this issue you’d know that I DON’T support the boycott but believe that the boycotters should attend CPAC and civilly but passionately present their concerns and defend their beliefs. After all, that’s what GOProud will be doing.
And AE, you touched on what I believe is one the main motivations for the boycott when you mentioned identity politics. This was covered in another thread, too. Someone wrote that the boycotters might be concerned about being forced to toe the line on gay issues. I agreed with that view. I think some social conservatives are concerned about what “welcoming gays” really means. Does it mean simply giving tolerance to people who happen to be homosexual? Or, as I (and others, apparently) suspect, does it really mean embracing the gay agenda, i.e. gay identity politics, and making conservatism a conduit for that? That’s not a trivial question considering that identity politics “are inherently leftist”, as you accurately put it. So, American Elephant, shouldn’t (social) conservatives have some reservations about welcoming into the fold a group that has such an “inherently leftist” meme as part of its ideological makeup? Or is that too purist for you?
Comment by Seane-Anna — February 9, 2011 @ 8:04 am - February 9, 2011
Seane-Anna,
Seriously, how deep into the muck and mire do you have to reach to dredge up Mary Kay Letourneau? Why not call on a whole side show of sociopaths?
I can not image what GOProud members have in common, however remote, with Mary Kay Letourneau.
Do you place a hex on everyone who offends your religious beliefs? If so, why do you not love the sinner?
Any GOProud member who chats me up about gay marriage is going to get my version of civil union and why it is my limit right back. I will not be dressed in a body condom and talking to him through plate glass at the time. Meanwhile, I will lock arms with his gay arm and fight together for the many basic conservative principles we hold in common. And, if someone attacks his character just for being gay, I will stand with him as a fellow human worthy of love and understanding. What part of this annoys you?
Comment by Heliotrope — February 9, 2011 @ 11:15 am - February 9, 2011
Heliotrope, it’s getting really amusing seeing the indignant reactions of the get-traditional-values-out-of-conservatism crowd whenever they’re confronted with the logical conclusion of their view.
Heliotrope, the theme here on GayPatriot is that values or social issues shouldn’t be part of conservatism but, instead, the movement should be stripped down to the bare essentials of support for limited government and fiscal responsibility. It’s also the theme here that anyone who subscribes to those bare essentials is a conservative. If that’s the case, then why wouldn’t/shouldn’t a Mary Kay Letourneau be welcomed at CPAC, provided she was committed to bare essentials conservatism?
Heliotrope, you asked what could GOProud members have in common with Mary Kay Letourneau and those like her. I’ll tell you. Both benefit from the destruction of our culture’s traditional sexual/familial ethic. And they both benefit from the effort to undermine conservatism’s opposition to that destruction. And since undermining conservatism’s support for traditional values is gaining ground among conservatives, Mary Kay Letourneau speaking at CPAC one day might not be so farfetched.
Comment by Seane-Anna — February 9, 2011 @ 2:04 pm - February 9, 2011
Uh,uh, Seane-Anna,
A gay does nothing whatsoever to undermine “our culture’s traditional sexual/familial ethic” by being gay. Being gay is a matter of fact. What that person does in the privacy of his home is not society’s business, unless society specifically prohibits it under all circumstances in any place by anyone.
Mary Kay Letourneau clearly, publically, determinedly broke the law. If gays were caught having sex on the Merry-Go-Round on fundamentalist Christian Day at Disney World, you might have a sliver of a simile, but not a case.
If you will not tolerate gays, fine. Just say so. Hopefully, there will be some spit test that can be mixed with a chemical and if the solution turns pink, the spit came from a gay. At that point, brand him and show him the door. No gays allowed.
When I was in high school in the 50′s I had a good friend who was, by our calculation, probably gay; but he never verified anyone’s suspicions. He was good fun in a crowd and very popular. Today he is an open cross dresser. It is what it is. I do not understand why I should oppose his existence. Don’t bother to explain, I am too tolerant to understand.
Comment by Heliotrope — February 9, 2011 @ 2:59 pm - February 9, 2011
Heliotrope, I didn’t say that gays undermine our traditional sexual/familial ethic simply by being gay. Don’t put words in my mouth. You asked what GOProud members could have in common with the likes of Mary Kay Letourneau and I answered that question.
Gays and pedophiles like Letourneau DO benefit from the destruction of our traditional moral values. That’s one big thing they have in common. No, gays didn’t start the war on our traditional, Judeo-Christian values but, in order to advance the cause of normalizing homosexuality, gays have certainly helped fight it with gusto. Are you going to seriously deny that, Heliotrope?
The sexual revolutionaries started with heterosexuals, first targeting the prohibition on premarital sex. Then they attacked marital fidelity and promoted so-called open marriage. The sex libbers did this in the name of freedom. Casual sex became the essence of personal freedom. This quickly spread from heterosexuals to homosexuals. If sexual freedom was the essence of personal freedom then how could the sex libbers justify denying such freedom to sexual outsiders? So the campaign for tolerance was born.
Heliotrope, a culture can’t tear down its foundation without eventually collapsing EVERYTHING supported by that foundation. It’s not opposing anyone’s existence to point that out. If you want our traditional values eradicated and replaced with “tolerance”, fine. Just be honest and admit that means you can’t oppose ANY sexual proclivity or domestic arrangment. Not in the “tolerant”, anything goes world of your dreams.
Comment by Seane-Anna — February 9, 2011 @ 6:35 pm - February 9, 2011
So, American Elephant, shouldn’t (social) conservatives have some reservations about welcoming into the fold a group that has such an “inherently leftist” meme as part of its ideological makeup? Or is that too purist for you?
No. That’s a completely fair statement. And I, for one, do not for a minute expect anything different to occur; the gay and lesbian community has been overwhelmingly leftist, antireligious, and anti-responsibility for years. When it’s shown that a group such as Log Cabin is funded primarily by hatemongering leftist bigot gay and lesbian Obama Party members, it makes perfect sense that one would have a jaundiced view of their participation. GOProud has a lot to prove, and I will be the first to tell them that.
But then you went completely off the rails with this.
So next year, or the year after that, or the year after that, let’s have Mary Kay Letourneau give a speech at CPAC, so long as she’ll commit to smaller government and fiscal responsibility. She could give a heck of a speech about getting government out of our bedrooms, couldn’t she?
So since you insist that GOProud being at CPAC will lead to Mary Kay Letorneau giving speeches there, why did you then state this?
Also, if you’d read other threads related to this issue you’d know that I DON’T support the boycott but believe that the boycotters should attend CPAC and civilly but passionately present their concerns and defend their beliefs. After all, that’s what GOProud will be doing.
So you insist that not boycotting and bashing GOProud will lead to sexual predators speaking at CPAC, but then insist that people shouldn’t boycott and bash GOProud — which, by your own logic, would lead to sexual predators speaking at CPAC and, quote, “undermine conservatism’s opposition to that destruction”.
I have spent more time speaking out against gay and lesbian sexual irresponsibility and devotion to antireligious bigotry, promiscuity, and leftist ideology than I care to calculate at this point. I have made it clear that yes, I do believe the gay and lesbian community’s plan is the “destruction of our culture’s traditional sexual/familial ethic”. And I have also made it 100% obvious, non-negotiable, and blatant that that will happen over my dead body, and certainly not EVER in my name.
You are NOT a conservative, Seane-Anna. Anyone like yourself who will trade away basic conservative principles over this issue is a theocratic statist, just like Huckabee. There is a reason that Fred Phelps is an Obama Party member; only in the Obama Party could one reach that point of demanding government intervention in peoples’ private lives that he does.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 9, 2011 @ 6:38 pm - February 9, 2011
Seane-Anna, you’re simply incoherent at this point.
First you state this:
Heliotrope, I didn’t say that gays undermine our traditional sexual/familial ethic simply by being gay.
Then you completely contradict yourself.
Gays and pedophiles like Letourneau DO benefit from the destruction of our traditional moral values.
How? How do I as a gay person benefit, hm? Please tell me. This ought to be beyond entertaining, when I have publicly stated that I oppose gay marriage, that I especially oppose “non-discrimination” and other affirmative-action bullshit, and that I think gays and lesbians should be subject to and required to follow the same laws and rules as everyone else.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 9, 2011 @ 6:42 pm - February 9, 2011
Seane-Anna:
Is that the game: could? As in cannibalistic pedophile serial mutilator?
Suffice it to say that if GOProud shows up at CPAC dressed in beads, feathers and leather thongs and start humping the trash cans, you have a point. Forgive me for being unimaginative.
Comment by Heliotrope — February 9, 2011 @ 9:42 pm - February 9, 2011
Seane-Anna, NDT asked a good question, and I would be interested in your answer. I would also be interested in how gay persons should behave so that they do not undermine traditional values.
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Now my coworkers are wondering why I’m laughing.
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