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Correcting the Problem Log Cabin Created:
A Response to Erick Erickson’s comments on GOProud & CPAC

The reason Log Cabin had such a problem establishing its credibility within Republican circles was that too often it gained media exposure by attacking fellow Republicans and dwelling on gay issues.  For all too many years national office did not regularly take stands on the small-government agenda pushed by Reaganites or the ideas of judicial restraint long championed by Republicans.

They didn’t come around to endorsing the Contract with America until long after Congress voted on its provisions nor did Log Cabin leaders remind voters of the Republican focus on fiscal issues in 1994 and national security matters a decade later.  No wonder some on the right remain skeptical of a gay conservative group, even a new one like GOProud without the baggage of Log Cabin.

One of our readers, my occasional sparring partner and friendly correspondent Lloydletta alerted me to Erick Erickson’s piece on GOProud’s participation in C-PAC.  While that conservative blogger finds it “well and fine” that many on the right are willing to give this fledgling group “a seat at the table”, he remains skeptical of their goals, noting particularly their opposition to a federal amendment defining marriage, their support of DADT repeal and of legislation giving “health benefits to gay couples.”

Perhaps, Erickson has also expressed skepticism about former Vice President Cheney’s commitment to conservatism, given that he holds near identical positions to those of GOProud, particularly on same-sex marriage where he (like this new group) favors a state-by-state approach.

Finally, Erickson notes the group’s silence on a number of key conservative issues:

While they have spoken up forcefully in favor of a liberal social agenda and against traditional values, they say they are serious fiscal and national security conservatives (not just Republican, but deeply conservative on these issues) — and nevermind that the word “libertarian” might just be more apt.

Lets look at issues where GOP and conservatives have taken different approaches on fiscal and national security issues. Did GOProud weigh in on the side of conservatives?

Earmarks: silent.

START Renewal: silent.

Unions: silent.

Erickson seems particularly selective here, finding three issues where GOProud is silent, but does not acknowledge where they have spoken out.  GOProud has expressed agreement with conservatives at least 80% of the time, having issuing a press release opposing federal funding of abortions, and including spending and judicial restraint as well as Social Security reform in its legislative agenda.

I would encourage my friends at GOProud to come out in favor of the ban on earmarks (backed by House and Senate Republicans) and againt the pro-union policies of the Obama Administration.  (They can check our archives to see how we tackled these issues.)

And should they show, as I trust they will, that they support the the ban on earmarks and oppose the administration’s pro-union policies, let’s hope Erickson acknowledges the group’s commitment to conservative principles.  Given Log Cabin’s record, I understand Erickson’s skepticism, but GOProud is a new group and has come out publicly on a number of key conservative issues and not just the ones I identified above.  They also, for example, have stood up for our Second Amendment rights, a key plank in the conservative platform.

Some conservatives have taken notice.

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  2. Although I took RedState to task for their Slytherin Conservatism (at least til they banned me), they have more reason to be skeptical of GOProud than just Log Cabin’s record. One of the most public things GOProud has done was their letter, which you signed, telling Republicans to ignore social issues (while they continued their advocacy for the repeal of DADT). All that did was to antagonize social conservatives, make them feel they were being attacked, and blames, and tell them that GOProud does NOT stand with them, but opposes them and their agenda, and is positioning itself in opposition to them.

    There are a lot of people who would be open to what GOProud has to say if they had decided to introduce themselves to the public, and Republicans, by establishing a strong reputation for attacking liberalism. Instead, before anyone even really knew who they were, they seemed to come out of the gate swinging at social conservatives.

    I said at the time that it was a bone-headed move, and I was right.

    Mitch Daniels did much the same thing, and his presidential aspirations are pretty much over before they’ve even begun. And people knew him better than they knew GOProud.

    Chris Barron has been doing an excellent job on cable. He’s very well spoken and fast on his feet.

    I saw him on Larry “liar, liar, creepy liar” O’Donnell, and Andrea stretch Mitchell’s shows — where MSNBC is trying to use him to smear the entire social conservative wing, and while Chris has tried to differentiate the boycotters as “fringe” — I would advise him (not that he wants my advice) to make it much more clear that MOST social conservative groups didn’t boycott, only a very few did. It came across, instead, as though he were saying that social conservatives in general were a fringe group.

    He tried to get that across, but I think he needs to make it much more clear, because MSNBC, with their questions and their framing (O’Donnells set-up and introduction of Baron was longer than his actual interview with Baron for example) is working even harder to paint this as

    If there are any socially conservative groups that have expressed support, like Palin did, he would do well to make a big fuss over that too. Just so there is no question in anyone’s mind that he and GOProud are not positioning themselves in opposition to the larger so-con movement.

    Making such a clear distinction, or even God forbid, defending so-cons on MSNBC would go a LONG way towards both repairing whatever misunderstandings there have been, destroying the narrative that MSNBC is trying to build, garnering more support for GOProud, and making it clear to everyone that GOProud thinks it can work with and get along with most social cons, that the ones who boycotted are a tiny minority, not just of conservatives, but of social conservatives.

    ALL of which is hard to do in a short segment. And Baron is obviously much better at it than I would be. But thats my estimation of the impression many conservatives outside of GOProud’s immediate circle have of them — and I think it’s an accurate one.

    Whether its a correct or fair impression is beside the point — it just is — and I think GOProud would do well to try to correct it and be very careful not to reinforce it.

    Bruce had a caller to his radio show that suggested GOProud should figure out which social conservative issues they can get behind — no funding for abortion, perhaps other abortion stances?, strict constructionist jurists, being against judicial activism, getting the liberal activism out of our schools curriculum, etc…

    And I think hes absolutely right. I also agree with him that GOProud should try to find leaders in the so-con movement that will sit down with them and figure out as much common ground as possible…

    The the caller said they should invite Ryan Sorba to a beer summit, and I almost shot my beverage out my nose.

    (of course we all know his deepest desire is for some hunk to get him drunk and take him , but I digress)

    Anywho. It will be interesting to see what happens this weekend. Whether the issue goes away or gets more heated. We shall see.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 10, 2011 @ 5:21 am - February 10, 2011

  3. I think Erickson is being too critical of GOProud, but agree with him (and AE) to an extent.

    GOProud’s official position is silence on ENDA, rather than opposition to it on libertarian grounds. It’s issued press releases attacking Jim DeMint-whether justified or not, it’s still attacking another Republican.

    You can see why some would be leery about it.

    Comment by NYAlly — February 10, 2011 @ 6:07 am - February 10, 2011

  4. It’s issued press releases attacking Jim DeMint-whether justified or not, it’s still attacking another Republican.

    They were justified, considering that DeMint, unlike Reagan, wants to ban gays from teaching. But if attacking a fellow Republican is a serious no no, would you agree that attacking and throwing Dede Scozzafava under the bus by endorsing her opponent was uncalled for as well?

    Comment by Rob — February 10, 2011 @ 7:29 am - February 10, 2011

  5. Rob,

    I’d point out in the Scozzafava case, she was appointed by the party heads, and that there was no primary. Given that the party elite appointed her, instead of the actual body of Republicans, that was the exception, not the rule.

    I’d also reference our own (now Governor) John Kaisich here in Ohio, who was persona non grata in the Ohio Republican party in the 90′s because he didn’t accept the ‘order of ascention’ that put George Sonovavitch in the senate nomination. He went against ‘da boss’ and was smacked down. Scozzafava was appointed by da boss, and slapped down.

    The difference being, Kaisich didn’t turn around and endorse George’s Democratic opponent.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 10, 2011 @ 7:39 am - February 10, 2011

  6. GOProud is nothing more than a combination of low-end performance art, media manipulation (smoke & mirrors) and a bunch blog-level opiners (getting more attention than merited).

    At least, LCR has a few accomplishments under their belt.

    In fact their DADT case might have been what motivated the Dems to kick up the drive to repeal DADT a notch. The Dems’ only real obstacle to getting that job done was overcoming those unanimous obstructionist votes from the Republicans. That and getting Senator Get off My lawn McCain to shut up for five minutes.

    Comment by Auntie Dogma — February 10, 2011 @ 8:39 am - February 10, 2011

  7. One of the most public things GOProud has done was their letter, which you signed, telling Republicans to ignore social issues

    How long can one beat that poor animal until it just sounds like whining?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 10, 2011 @ 8:53 am - February 10, 2011

  8. The Dems’ only real obstacle to getting that job done was overcoming those unanimous obstructionist votes from the Republicans.

    Oh. So Harry Reid’s throwing gays under the bus TWICE to make damn sure it failed had nothing to do with it?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 10, 2011 @ 8:55 am - February 10, 2011

  9. And Granny Goodness’ real issue comes out.

    and a bunch blog-level opiners (getting more attention than merited)

    It’s not jsut that Granny’s rants are fact free and vitriol laden, she’s jealous that the successful bloggers and others who make up GOProud are better known, successful and liked than she.

    Jealousy is a bitter emotion, and tearing the successful down to make oneself feel better is a hallmark of the left.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 10, 2011 @ 9:33 am - February 10, 2011

  10. It’s not jsut that Granny’s rants are fact free and vitriol laden, she’s jealous that the successful bloggers and others who make up GOProud are better known, successful and liked than she.

    Isn’t envy and resentment the motivation for 99.5% of left-wing trolls? (See also: Levi’s deranged envy of Sarah Palin)

    And once you figure out that their hatred of conservatives is rooted in the miserable failures of their own lives, you begin to understand why arguing with them is futile.

    Comment by V the K — February 10, 2011 @ 9:39 am - February 10, 2011

  11. GOProud is nothing more than a combination of low-end performance art, media manipulation (smoke & mirrors) and a bunch blog-level opiners (getting more attention than merited).

    The Auntie of All Dogma puts me in mind of how The Auntie of All Dogma would judge the GOProud float in the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade. “Digustingly understated and unimaginatively pastel.” “Reminiscent of a Perry Como sweater as seen on black and white TV.” “All chicken wire and crepe paper that gave the clear appearance of chicken wire and crepe paper.” “Like a martini on the rocks made with gin and vermouth and an olive. So yesterday.” “GOProud managed to put the grey in gay.” “If Crayola had a color for self-loathing it would be called GOProud.” “Watching this float made me question evolution.” “Why can’t GOProud be more like a flamingo in heat?” “These people are probably monogamous.” “What good is a value system without daring panache?” “A gay without attitude is like a day without being slandered.”

    Low-end performance art, indeed. GOProud is engaged in issues and The Auntie of All Dogma is not only the queen of low-end performance art but lives only to demonstrate it. The Auntie of All Dogma is the clown with the tiny dog at the end of the Gay Pride Parade who shovels up the unicorn poop and sprinkles glitter on it and tries to sell it to tourists who have no concept of what they just witnessed.

    Comment by Heliotrope — February 10, 2011 @ 9:51 am - February 10, 2011

  12. Having Auntie Dog-do commenting about GOProud is like asking Charlie Sheen to talk about sobriety.

    As Rob would say: BOOSH! ;-)

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — February 10, 2011 @ 10:50 am - February 10, 2011

  13. Great post! It’s about time Republican Party members wake up to reality and open arms to the gay community! Keep up the good work!

    Comment by Amarissa — February 10, 2011 @ 11:15 am - February 10, 2011

  14. Log Cabin has strayed from its roots. In 1980 when there was only the original organization in L.A. we endorsed Ronald Reagan for President. As small was we were, that endorsement was picked up by the National Enquirer, with the front page banner ¨Gays Endorse Reagan For Presient.¨ The endorsement did cause a rupture. A small group left, in anger, because they wanted the club to endorse John Anderson. In those days our commitment to conservative principles was impeccable.

    Comment by Roberto — February 10, 2011 @ 11:57 am - February 10, 2011

  15. Your organization was called out for what it is, Dan. Either you are a federalist or a libertarian. The battle within the Republican Party exists between the federalists and the liberals aka libertarians, progressives, and objectivists. Fortunately, we know the liberals within both parties and the federal judiciary do not have the testicular fortitude to unilaterally abrogate the Constitution of the United States.

    Comment by rjligier — February 10, 2011 @ 12:50 pm - February 10, 2011

  16. Fortunately, we know the liberals within both parties and the federal judiciary do not have the testicular fortitude to unilaterally abrogate annul the Constitution of the United States.

    That is what you said. Is that what you mean? What are you talking about?

    Comment by Heliotrope — February 10, 2011 @ 12:59 pm - February 10, 2011

  17. As Rob would say:

    Who?

    Anyways, EE said this morning that he’s been keeping his mouth shut about GOProud. IMHO, he’d been better off sticking to that. Bitching about what Barron has said and then taking a dishonest cheap shot at him serves no real purpose.

    I also note that the folks commenting over at RS keep repeating lines that I’ve read on the liberal blogs. Can you guess which one?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 10, 2011 @ 1:31 pm - February 10, 2011

  18. How can you have any dialogue with soc-cons when they want to send you straight to HELL for being what you are? Makes no sense for a gay person to be a Republican. Self-loathing…

    Comment by Crusader — February 10, 2011 @ 1:58 pm - February 10, 2011

  19. This issue is on the Tea Party leader’s Facebook page:

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/matthew.ridenhour/posts/109477632462666

    I had to link this post in response to the Red State post showing up everywhere.

    I am the Tech Chair for MeckGOP, I’m married w/ two babies, straight, to the right of G. Gordon Liddy and I like Bea Arthur.

    BTW, can someone please tell me why Cleta was called a bigot? I can’t find the goods. Other than that issue, I think Red State misrepresented the rest of their talking points.

    Comment by Vincent Bordini — February 10, 2011 @ 3:40 pm - February 10, 2011

  20. Self-loathing…

    Says the battered wife who still believes that liberals gives a shit.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 10, 2011 @ 4:19 pm - February 10, 2011

  21. Crusader, stop having conversations with cartoon Conservatives in your head & start talking with real ones in the real world. Most conservatives & Republicans are accepting of gays unlike the Leftists who discover you’re gay & conservative.

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — February 10, 2011 @ 4:53 pm - February 10, 2011

  22. Crusader… for what?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 10, 2011 @ 5:14 pm - February 10, 2011

  23. How long can one beat that poor animal until it just sounds like whining?

    Until Dan and others quit “forgetting” to mention that its one of the biggest reasons GOProud is distrusted, possibly THE biggest reason, and instead blame their woes on Log Cabin.

    Blaming other people for your failures is what Obama does. If people want to be taken seriously when they criticize him for it, if they dont want to be viewed as nothing more than partisan hypocrites, they should not do the same.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 10, 2011 @ 5:44 pm - February 10, 2011

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  25. Re: Comment #2.
    Commenting at Red State is a bit like commenting at LGF. Failing to toe the official line may get you banned.

    Read through all the comments on this post. http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/02/10/this-is-too-much-for-me/#comments

    Comment by OldNuc — February 10, 2011 @ 6:04 pm - February 10, 2011

  26. #6: “At least, LCR has a few accomplishments under their belt.”

    For example?

    Comment by Sean A — February 10, 2011 @ 7:47 pm - February 10, 2011

  27. New Head of CPAC Distances Himself from GoProud:

    http://www.frumforum.com/new-cpac-head-distances-group-from-goproud

    Sounds like Chris Barron alienated people with the interview he gave to Metro Weekly.

    Comment by Eva Young — February 10, 2011 @ 8:39 pm - February 10, 2011

  28. that its one of the biggest reasons GOProud is distrusted

    Based on what? To my knowledge Erickson hasn’t mentioned it. He was, instead, bitching about Barron’s comments.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 10, 2011 @ 11:04 pm - February 10, 2011

  29. Red herring alert: I think there are bigger issues Erickson raises.

    Erick Erickson: “While Cleta Mitchell was fighting for children, Chris Barron was signing up to work for the champions of child killing.”

    The GOProud suit has form and we need to judge him by his actions, and many public attacks on conservative women, among other things.

    Barron also attacks pro-life politicians, but my conservative allies should shut up? I’m just happy that the new chair of the American Conservative Union, Al Cardenas, is distancing himself from the tribal rights GOProud.

    Comment by Ben — February 10, 2011 @ 11:23 pm - February 10, 2011

  30. “While Cleta Mitchell was fighting for children, Chris Barron was signing up to work for the champions of child killing.”

    That was the dishonest cheap shot I mentioned above.

    but my conservative allies should shut up?

    From what I understand, those conservative allies have been going after GOProud for quite a while. It seems Barron popped off in response and now HE’S the one who should shut up.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 11, 2011 @ 2:42 am - February 11, 2011

  31. In other words, you can’t push somebody and then whine like a little bitch when they push back. That is *if* what I understand is actually true.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 11, 2011 @ 2:48 am - February 11, 2011

  32. Based on what?

    Based on the fact that it is one of the most public things theyve done, that is has gotten the most media attention everywhere from the Wall Street Journal to Hot Air, Right Wing News, World Net Daily, Red State, Human Events, Free Republic, and on and on, and that doestn even take into account the major left wing media outlets that covered it like CBS, Politico, HuffPo, etc.

    It got a LOT of attention, precisely because it was controversial, and the mainstream media loves to report on discord on the right, and the right tends to speak up when they think someone is sticking their thumb in their eye.

    I believe (may be wrong) that it was Dan at the time who called it a “stunt”. It was. It was a stunt to get publicity, as seems to be Barrons motus operandi, and it was a stupid stunt.

    And it appears that my concerns that I wrote about above in #2 about how Barrons comments in the press lately would be taken by conservatives are also coming true, and GOProud may not even be invited back next year:

    The new chair of the American Conservative Union, Al Cardenas, today distanced his organization from GOProud, telling FrumForum in an exclusive interview that “it’s going to be difficult to continue the relationship” with the gay conservative organization…

    I have been disappointed with their website and their quotes in the media, taunting organizations that are respected in our movement and part of our movement, and that’s not acceptable. And that puts them in a difficult light in terms of how I view things,” said Cardenas. [more]

    I want GOProud to succeed, but they are making a lot of bone-headed moves.

    Either Baron simply doesn’t care what social conservatives think about GOProud, or he made the mistake of thinking that all the groups that DIDN’T boycott CPAC were siding with GOProud — which they were not. Or maybe he is just of the mistaken belief that any publicity is good publicity.

    But while most of CPAC was okay with GOProud being there, if this turns into a fight about who people want at CPAC more, social conservatives or GOProud, GOProud is going to lose.

    And from the above article, it looks like that may be the case.

    GOProud needed to build up their conservative credentials a LOT more than they did before attacking parts of the conservative movement — or even giving the impression of attacking parts of the conservative movement — and they didn’t.

    ANd they may have worn out their welcome at CPAC for it.

    They tried to make a power play right out of the starting gates, and it nose-dived. The stepped on a LOT of toes and while they may get a short term influx of cash for it, they have marginalized themselves needlessly, in a way that will take much longer to repair than it took to screw up in the first place.

    Problem is, I still dont see any evidence from GOProud that they want to work WITH social conservatives, everything they say and do suggests they just want to ignore or even supplant them.

    And they did it all themselves — Log Cabin didnt have anything to do with it.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 11, 2011 @ 3:35 am - February 11, 2011

  33. What I suspect is going to happen, by the way — and this is just a guess — but I suspect that the leaders of CPAC will take GOProud aside and give them a good spanking, tell them that if they want to be invited back to play next year, they will have to shape up, and that GOProud will have a very different message in the next few days, trying to kiss and make up with social cons. because I suspect that CPAC would like to get big fat checks next year from both sides.

    But as I said, the onus is now on GOProud to make amends for their screw ups.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 11, 2011 @ 3:48 am - February 11, 2011

  34. Sorry, I meant to say I believe it was Bruce who called it a stunt. And again, I may be wrong about that.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 11, 2011 @ 4:09 am - February 11, 2011

  35. that is has gotten the most media attention everywhere from the Wall Street Journal to Hot Air, Right Wing News, World Net Daily, Red State, Human Events, Free Republic, and on and on, and that doestn even take into account the major left wing media outlets that covered it like CBS, Politico, HuffPo, etc.

    Perhaps but that dead horse, from 3 months ago was not given as a reason as far as I’ve seen. Further, I still don’t get the hate from you, Seanne-Anna etc. toward Bruce and GOProud, but not the others who were a party to it.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 11, 2011 @ 7:13 am - February 11, 2011

  36. What HAVE you seen? All that youve mentioned so far is the one article from Erick erickson. Have you been following how people reacted to that story at the time? Did you go look at any of the pieces I talked about? Did you go see what people had to say? I think its rather apparent you have not.

    (by the way, I didnt even mention all the talk radio hosts that talked about it at the time) You see, the POINT of such a PRESS RELEASE is to get PRESS. and it got a lot. I guess you didnt realize that.

    I dont see the hate from me either, because there isnt any. I am disagreeing with something they did and pointing out that before they start blaming President Bush Log Cabin that Obama they should perhaps think about how that media event which Bruce already called a stunt was recieved by social conservatives — which was very poorly.

    And while I’m sure they appreciate your guard-dog-like reflexive reactionary loyalty, I think they are grown up enough to handle it without your help and repeated attempts to put yourself in the middle. And, I might add, my comments have been directed to them, not to you.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 11, 2011 @ 2:51 pm - February 11, 2011

  37. PS, what is it with conservatives using the lame liberal H8 excuse? First GOProud is using it to describe boycotters, and now youre using it to claim I hate Dan and Bruce because I think that letter was a bad move that is now reaping the kind of rewards I said it would.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 11, 2011 @ 5:41 pm - February 11, 2011

  38. Meghan McCain called, she wants her NOH8 sticker back.

    Comment by American Elephant — February 11, 2011 @ 5:41 pm - February 11, 2011

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