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Understanding left’s all-out assault on Koch Brothers through prism of liberal prejudice

It should come as no surprise to those who have been following liberal talking points for the past six months (at least) that liberal bloggers and left-of-center pundits would be all over the prank call a David Koch imposter placed to Wisconsin’s Republican Governor Scott Walker.  At least since Jane Mayer’s lengthy New Yorker “exposé” last summer on the free-market-loving billionaires, the Koch Brothers have been elevated to join George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin as ranking members on the approved left-wing list of right-wing demons.  Stories about the call led Memeorandum throughout the day yesterday, multiplying with each passing hour, even into the night.

No matter that Walker didn’t recognize Koch’s voice thus showing as Ann Althouse put it, that “Scott Walker is not close to Koch“.  This non-recognition, Walker’s very failure to accede to the imposter’s odd suggestions could not be allowed to wreck the narrative that the call showed Walker, as one of our critics put it, to be “the underling updating his boss.”

Their critics want us to believe that these nefarious rich white men are pulling the strings behind Republican politicians, indeed, the entire conservative enterprise, in order to advance their own interests while sucking the lifeblood out of the working man.  The New York Times has now picked up on this latest meme from the left.

It seems these bloggers and pundits on the left want to make these “evil” billionaires the story instead of the ideas they promote.  John Hinderaker offers an explanation for the left’s “all-out assault” on the Koch brothers:

Simply because they are rich–their company is one of the best-run and most successful in the world–and conservative. The Left is trying to drive them out of politics and, more important, to deter any other people of means from daring to support conservative politicians or causes.

(H/t Instapundit.)  That’s part of it, but, I wonder if it could also be a failure of imagination, that some liberals just can’t even imagine that conservative businessmen would be in it for the principle of the matter.  Last September, writing about the Mayer piece, the Washington Examiner‘s Timothy P. Carney observed that while lots of rich people support political candidates and causes,

only free-market money men get such scrutiny. Mayer cites the blogs ThinkProgress and ClimateProgress, the Web site Media Matters and the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy without ever mentioning they are funded by billionaire financier George Soros.

Mayer did write a 2004 article on Soros, but she implies throughout that his political giving is motivated by a desire to make the world a better place rather than out of economic self-interest. Mayer uncritically quotes a Soros spokesman saying “none of his contributions are in the service of his own economic interests.”

Emphasis added.  She simply can’t imagine that many conservatives (and most libertarians) believe you can make the world a better place by cutting the size of governments and limiting their scope.

It really does seem they are prejudiced against advocates of free markets, assuming malicious motives to their support of Republican candidates, conservative causes and libertarian organizations.  Back in the 1990s, the media was all aflutter about Richard Mellon Scaife.  He has been replaced by the Koch Brothers.  In the liberal imagination, there just has to be a malign Mr. Moneybags manipulating the conservative movement.

Because it just can’t that advocates of small-government believe their policies will make the world a better place.  It just can’t be.  They’re meanies who only care for themselves.

UPDATE:  In his trademark style, R.S. McCain offers a slightly different take than my own,

But it’s always something, you see? The Left can never accept the possibility that their policies don’t work, or that their agenda is genuinely unpopular, and so they require a demonized enemy — a hate-object — to explain their political failures.

I see it as a failure of liberals to imagine that conservatives, including rich businessmen, could support free market ideas in good faith.  Stacy sees this as a failure of liberals to recognize their own errors.   We both agree they seem to have this need for a demon, a “hate-object” as he puts it.

UP-UPDATE: Glenn Reynolds links another post on the matter and quips:

NICK GILLESPIE: Why The Evil Koch Brothers Must Be Stopped: They Support Drug Legalization, Gay Marriage, Reduced Defense Spending. Kind of an odd target for lefty demonization, but hey, you gotta find your Emmanuel Goldstein somewhere.

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  1. No matter that Walker didn’t recognize Koch’s voice thus showing as Ann Althouse put it, that “Scott Walker is not close to Koch“. This non-recognition, Walker’s very failure to accede to the imposter’s odd suggestions could not be allowed to wreck the narrative that the call showed Walker, as one of our critics put it, to be “the underling updating his boss.”

    What the hell kind of excuse this is? The issue isn’t whether or not Walker is close to Koch, the issue is why Walker is taking phone calls from a campaign contributor to discuss legislative strategy. No one is saying they’re best friends who play golf together.

    You’re pretending that the criticism is based on one thing when it’s actually something else entirely.

    Their critics want us to believe that these nefarious rich white men are pulling the strings behind Republican politicians, indeed, the entire conservative enterprise, in order to advance their own interests while sucking the lifeblood out of the working man. The New York Times has now picked up on this latest meme from the left.

    This is hardly the latest meme – big business’s influence on the political process has been one of the central liberal arguments for decades. For what it’s worth, I fully expect that many Democratic politicians would do the same thing for their big money contributors.

    It seems these bloggers and pundits on the left want to make these “evil” billionaires the story instead of the ideas they promote. John Hinderaker offers an explanation for the left’s “all-out assault” on the Koch brothers:

    Simply because they are rich–their company is one of the best-run and most successful in the world–and conservative. The Left is trying to drive them out of politics and, more important, to deter any other people of means from daring to support conservative politicians or causes.

    This is the usual idiot-stuff that conservatives say about liberals – we’re all just so jealous aren’t we? I WISH I WAS A BILLIONAIRE!

    (H/t Instapundit.) That’s part of it, but, I wonder if it could also be a failure of imagination, that some liberals just can’t even imagine that conservative businessmen would be in it for the principle of the matter. Last September, writing about the Mayer piece, the Washington Examiner‘s Timothy P. Carney observed that while lots of rich people support political candidates and causes,

    I just don’t even know what to say about this. The rich and powerful in this country were completely responsible for the financial collapse, and here you are assuming the best about them and siding with the billionaires over everyone else. I don’t see anything principled about a tycoon advocating on issues in which they have a direct financial interest. Maybe if the Koch Brothers were saving the whales or building schools in Africa, you could characterize them as having principles. But since they’re running an energy company and are combating environmental regulation and supporting union-busting, I think it’s pretty safe to say they’re doing those things out of greed.

    only free-market money men get such scrutiny. Mayer cites the blogs ThinkProgress and ClimateProgress, the Web site Media Matters and the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy without ever mentioning they are funded by billionaire financier George Soros.

    Mayer did write a 2004 article on Soros, but she implies throughout that his political giving is motivated by a desire to make the world a better place rather than out of economic self-interest. Mayer uncritically quotes a Soros spokesman saying “none of his contributions are in the service of his own economic interests.”

    Emphasis added. She simply can’t imagine that many conservatives (and most libertarians) believe you can make the world a better place by cutting the size of governments and limiting their scope.

    It’s completely nonsensical to compare a liberal billionaire’s influence over a handful of internet media companies to a conservative billionaire’s influence over elected politicians.

    And I just don’t understand how someone can be so gullible. You could sit here and blog all day about Obama’s ulterior motives and his sinister machinations, but the Koch brothers are paragons of morality that are selflessly crusading to save the economy? Sheesh – why don’t you apply a little bit of your skepticism you reserve for government towards hugely influential private citizens?

    It really does seem they are prejudiced against advocates of free markets, assuming malicious motives to their support of Republican candidates, conservative causes and libertarian organizations. Back in the 1990s, the media was all aflutter about Richard Mellon Scaife. He has been replaced by the Koch Brothers. In the liberal imagination, there just has to be a malign Mr. Moneybags manipulating the conservative movement.

    Because it just can’t that advocates of small-government believe their policies will make the world a better place. It just can’t be. They’re meanies who only care for themselves.

    Again, people like the Koch brothers have had a huge influence on the direction of the American economy over the past few years, and the economy is in the toilet. The policies they advocate are designed to enrich themselves at the expense of the broader economy’s long term stability. This is very easy to see.

    This is some of the most pathetic arguing I’ve ever seen. If I may summarize;

    1. Walker and Koch are not close!

    2. Liberals are jealous of rich conservatives!

    3. Liberals don’t assume that rich conservatives are acting in everyone’s best interests!

    Number 2 is the old conservative standby – dismissing critics of conservatism by calling them jealous! That’s how teenage girls think. The other arguments are directly refuted by this story, and you’re just going for an Orwellian-style, black-is-white denial.

    A weak and evasive performance, to say the least.

    Comment by Levi — February 24, 2011 @ 8:48 am - February 24, 2011

  2. Or… or… maybe the demonization of the Koch Brothers (like the prior demonizations of Sarah Palin, George Bush, Dick Cheney) is simply to promote the very personal hatred that is the fuel of left-wing politics.

    Haters gotta hate.

    the issue is why Walker is taking phone calls from a campaign contributor to discuss legislative strategy.

    Ask Dear Reader the same question the next time the head of the SEIU drops by the Oval Office.

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 8:52 am - February 24, 2011

  3. Haters gotta hate.

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 9:00 am - February 24, 2011

  4. “Ask Dear Reader the same question the next time the head of the SEIU drops by the Oval Office.”

    This is the greatest sign of Levi’s racism. He won’t. He holds Gov Walker to a higher standard than President Obama.

    What was that called? “The Bigotry of Low Expectations.”

    “Again, people like the Koch brothers have had a huge influence on the direction of the American economy over the past few years, and the economy is in the toilet”

    Funny, Levi was telling us that the Stimulus was saving the country. Now the 1.4 debt we’ve incurred would have worked, if not for those Pesky Brothers (and their dog).

    “It’s completely nonsensical to compare a liberal billionaire’s influence over a handful of internet media companies to a conservative billionaire’s influence over elected politicians.”

    Becasue the influence shown in this call was… what exactly? And note how Levi ignores the ties to political groups that Soros has, by directly funding them.

    But that would bring up the connection between Soros and Levi’s fellow Truther, Van Jones.

    Actually, it’s clear that the Koch Brothers are smarter and more intelligent than Levi, so, by Levi’s standards, he should just shut up and let them drag him kicking and screaming into the future.

    Like most petty would be tyrants, Levi doesn’t want the rules he applies to everyone else to apply to him.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 24, 2011 @ 9:09 am - February 24, 2011

  5. “It’s completely nonsensical to compare a liberal billionaire’s influence over a handful of internet media companies to a conservative billionaire’s influence over elected politicians.”

    Levi, being ignorant, has apparently never head of the “Democracy Alliance” or the Secretary of State Project, projects funded by lefty billionaires to put politicians friendly to their interests into power.

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 9:22 am - February 24, 2011

  6. only free-market money men get such scrutiny

    Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam Hussein also hated self-made people above all else – people who achieved without their “help”. That hatred is a central part of the philosophy of socialism.

    1. Walker and Koch are not close!

    2. Liberals are jealous of rich conservatives!

    3. Liberals don’t assume that rich conservatives are acting in everyone’s best interests!

    All 100% accurate… except that the last one should read:

    3. Liberals assume that rich conservatives *inherently cannot* be principled or act in everyone’s best interests, while the far more numerous rich liberals (Soros) always do!

    Who’s gullible, Levi? (Hint: You.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 10:27 am - February 24, 2011

  7. Joe Biden meets with AFL-CIO leadership in secret. No public, no press allowed. Anybody have a problem with this?

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 10:28 am - February 24, 2011

  8. V: Levi has also apparently never heard of MoveOn.org. (Part of the Soros machine, has openly proclaimed their “ownership” of the Democratic Party!)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 10:29 am - February 24, 2011

  9. Again, people like the Koch brothers have had a huge influence on the direction of the American economyAgain, that is flat-out delusional. Don’t I *wish*! LOL :-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 10:43 am - February 24, 2011

  10. Sorry, try it with blockquoting fixed:

    Again, people like the Koch brothers have had a huge influence on the direction of the American economy

    Again, that is flat-out delusional. Don’t I *wish*!

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 10:44 am - February 24, 2011

  11. Soros invested in Petrobras days before Obama provided that *NON-U.S.* company with billions in loans (wtf?):

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/19/obama-soros-petrobras-brazil-offshore-drilling-double-standards/

    National socialists are all about being the ones to pick winners and losers in the marketplace – having government and “favored” corporations or rich individuals in bed together.

    Examples abound: No company was more pro-Obama in 2008 than Goldman-Sachs, and no company has benefitted more from the bailouts that Obama followed through on and delivered (after Bush wrongly proposed them). Today it looks like GE is a new Obama favorite. It all happens right in front of Levi’s nose, and he is so gullible that he can’t see it.

    Libertarian conservatives, at least the real ones, are all about *not* being the ones to pick winners and losers in the marketplace – and not having anyone else be the ones, either. Total separation of Business and State. We’d all be a lot better off, if we had that.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 10:55 am - February 24, 2011

  12. Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.

    Comment by Auntie Dogma — February 24, 2011 @ 11:27 am - February 24, 2011

  13. The Obama administration meets lobbyists all the time – in secret, because they know it’s wrong: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/50081.html

    It’s nothing new. Mixing Business and State to benefit a nexus of “favored” party officials, bureaucrats, unions, corporations and wealthy leftists is what America’s Left is all about, and always has been. Only the Gullible imagine otherwise.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 11:39 am - February 24, 2011

  14. the issue is why Walker is taking phone calls from a campaign contributor to discuss legislative strategy

    As has already been pointed out, there are more than a few example of the same happening on the Democrat side of the fence. Might I remind Levi of the Clintons renting out the Lincoln bedroom to contributors? This is common! Why do you think Blagoyovich walked, even though the evidence looked damming? This is commonplace. Even though it can be argued as a corrupting influence, it’s a part of the underbelly of politics. Always has been. Always will be. I do hope neither side is trying to feign innocence on this issue. Auntie Dogma, for this topic, that saying goes more like this:

    Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle, meet …

    Comment by Sonicfrog — February 24, 2011 @ 11:51 am - February 24, 2011

  15. As has already been pointed out, there are more than a few example of the same happening on the Democrat side of the fence. Might I remind Levi of the Clintons renting out the Lincoln bedroom to contributors? This is common! Why do you think Blagoyovich walked, even though the evidence looked damming? This is commonplace. Even though it can be argued as a corrupting influence, it’s a part of the underbelly of politics. Always has been. Always will be. I do hope neither side is trying to feign innocence on this issue. Auntie Dogma, for this topic, that saying goes more like this:

    What do you want me to say? That Democrats are corporate whores as well? I completely agree with that, and said so in my first post.

    The problem is that the conservative movement fails completely to realize this, and continue to advocate for policies that only exasperate the problem further. Somehow, you’ve all been convinced that tax cuts for billionaires are the greatest thing in the world while believing that teachers taking home $40,000 a year are responsible for the budget deficit. All this talk about government handouts and fiscal conservatism is designed to distract you from the fact that these guys are cooking the books and manipulating the rules. This is plainly obvious, and then something like this happens, and all you can do is put your head in the sand.

    People like Koch don’t want a free market – they want a market that they control completely with the assistance of the federal government. Democracy was supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening – but luckily for them, the conservative movement has arrived and is ready to buy all of their bullshit.

    Comment by Levi — February 24, 2011 @ 12:03 pm - February 24, 2011

  16. Wow, Levi, we really do seem to have gotten your goat. It would be nice if you could have put some facts in your rant. Amazing that you would go on an all-out assault on the Koch Brothers, yet brush away the Soros influence with a flick of the wrist.

    Well, at least your comment does help make the point of my post.

    As to the points your extrapolate from my post, well, (1) if Walker and Koch are close, then Walker would have recognized the caller were an imposter. You can’t just explain that one away. Oh, and (2), where did I ever say that? I didn’t, that you would suggest I did shows you have a very limited understanding of my argument.

    Trying to see how that’s an old conservative standby. You do go on about that one.

    Please, Levi, if you’re going to offer such lengthy comments to my post, at least make an effort to understand my arguments.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — February 24, 2011 @ 12:03 pm - February 24, 2011

  17. Amazing that you would go on an all-out assault on the Koch Brothers, yet brush away the Soros influence with a flick of the wrist.

    The influence of Soros/MoveOn on the Democrat Party pales in comparison to the party’s absolute obeisance to Organized Labor. But apparently, the Democrat Party being the absolute slave of Organized Labor bothers the left not at all.

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 12:12 pm - February 24, 2011

  18. First, let me point out that the fake Koch phone caller did not get through the first time. Andrew Sullivan, no friend of Scott Walker by any means, confirms this!

    Levi, you say:

    The problem is that the conservative movement fails completely to realize this, and continue to advocate for policies that only exasperate the problem further. Somehow, you’ve all been convinced that tax cuts for billionaires are the greatest thing in the world while believing that teachers taking home $40,000 a year are responsible for the budget deficit.

    I reinforced the point because your side is trying to score points with this, even though it’s just as guilty of the same transaction. It’s like when your parents told you not to smoke, then sent you off to the store to go buy them another pack of cigarettes. There is no moral weight behind a “scandal” when your side does it too, and it only makes your side look stupid when it can clearly be shown that you do it too! That’s different from them saying “Hey, this needs to stop on all sides”. They are being disingenuous. And the right is just as bad. Remember back in 95, when it was revealed that the Clinton campaign had snuck around political finance laws and gotten money from both the Chinese and the Indonesian interests? Ever wonder why that was not the reason he was impeached? After all, that would have been a much more compelling case than the stupid but entertaining Lewinski thing. The reason is that the powers that be on the Republican side of the fence realized Clinton was on to something in the methodology used, and he had just provided a new way to get more cash for campaigning. Why kill off the new potential golden goose?

    Comment by Sonicfrog — February 24, 2011 @ 12:36 pm - February 24, 2011

  19. you’ve all been convinced that tax cuts for billionaires are the greatest thing in the world while believing that teachers taking home $40,000 a year are responsible for the budget deficit.

    Let’s see. One billionaire creates countless jobs, adding to the tax base. Meanwhile, the teacher is paid from the tax base, actually makes quite a bit more than $40,000 and gets pensions and benefits that most ordinary working people find highly generous… and there are tens of thousands (or more) in every State.

    It’s called “math”, Levi. Math. Look into it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 12:41 pm - February 24, 2011

  20. P.S. And for the record, I actually don’t think “tax cuts for billionaires are the greatest thing”. I think that *spending* cuts are the greatest thing. And, I think that tax cuts for *everybody* (including but by no means limited to billionaires) are maybe the second greatest thing.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 12:45 pm - February 24, 2011

  21. I think it has more to do with this

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

    Comment by Doom — February 24, 2011 @ 1:12 pm - February 24, 2011

  22. Doom, do wonder why folks on the left trot out income inequality all the time (as per title of your link). That seems an issue causing a lot of hand-wringing in faculty lounges, but which evokes mostly shrugged shoulders in the rest of the country.

    Most of us focus on our own lot rather than envy that of someone “better off” (that is, financially) that we.

    Oh, in my eagerness to engage on a point of interest, I neglected to note that you don’t address the point of the post, i.e., failure of lefty pundits to appreciate the sincerity of free market activists and donors.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — February 24, 2011 @ 1:18 pm - February 24, 2011

  23. Also: Income inequality is actually caused by left-wing policies, as I’ve discussed before.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 1:21 pm - February 24, 2011

  24. Shooting more holes in Levi’s rant. That bastion of Right Wing Gonzo Journalism, the New York Times reports failure to find “a single financial interest the Koch brothers would have in busting public-sector unions in Wisconsin.” H/T NRO

    Is debunking Levi a hate crime? Beating on the mentally challenged and all…

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 24, 2011 @ 1:38 pm - February 24, 2011

  25. It’s not about envy, its about CEO’s and corporations making the most money they have ever made, and continuing to cut jobs and demand tax breaks.

    Comment by Doom — February 24, 2011 @ 2:36 pm - February 24, 2011

  26. It’s not about envy, its about CEO’s and corporations making the most money they have ever made

    ROFL :-)

    (rarely have I seen the first part of a sentence be so blatantly contradicted by what followed immediately in the second part)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 24, 2011 @ 2:49 pm - February 24, 2011

  27. Speaking of liberal math, have you noticed that genius scholar Rachel Maddow and other lefties are pushing the talking point that the only reason Wisconsin has a fiscal crisis is because the governor cut some business taxes?

    Tell me, how does $137 Million in tax cuts result in $3.6 Billion in deficits? How does that math work exactly?

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 3:49 pm - February 24, 2011

  28. Tell me, how does $137 Million in tax cuts result in $3.6 Billion in deficits? How does that math work exactly?

    ESPECIALLY when they haven’t taken effect. But Madcow was ruled a liar by the Stalingrad Times’ Politifact.

    Can’t help but notice Levi is silent on trust issues with the unions.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 24, 2011 @ 4:12 pm - February 24, 2011

  29. Interesting you should mention that, TGC. turns out the Fleebagger 14 have been generously supported by the same unions who would be affected by the legislation they’re blocking. One fleebagger has received over $113,000 in campaign contributions from the Wisconsin’s Teachers unions, who “independently” spent $1.6 Million on state-level Democrat candidates in the 2010 elections.

    How is this not corruption?

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 4:35 pm - February 24, 2011

  30. #12 – Dog, meet car.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — February 24, 2011 @ 5:19 pm - February 24, 2011

  31. The left suffers from what psychologists call “projection.” They can’t accept the worst in themselves and instead accuse the right of the behavior and attitudes that they possess. That’s why they’re so obsessed with the Koch brothers – the left is funded by Mr. Moneybags Soros (and others + unions) but won’t admit it to themselves, so they project that on the right. They just can’t believe the right doesn’t act just the way they do.

    Comment by Real American — February 24, 2011 @ 6:35 pm - February 24, 2011

  32. Wow, Levi, we really do seem to have gotten your goat. It would be nice if you could have put some facts in your rant. Amazing that you would go on an all-out assault on the Koch Brothers, yet brush away the Soros influence with a flick of the wrist.

    Well, yes. It wasn’t a Democratic governor that got pranked by a fake George Soros, it was a Republican governor that got pranked by a fake David Koch. You don’t get to run around acting like there are equivalencies when there simply aren’t.

    Additionally, I believe that wealthy people deserve to have political opinions and should be able to do things to advance their preferred beliefs. The problem with the Koch brothers and other conservative billionaires is that their ideology is completely destructive to the economy and unapologetically self-serving. It goes far beyond differences of opinion about how the government should be structured and what kind of economy we should have.

    Citizens are supposed to be on watch for instances of obvious corruption and favor-trading. There’s certainly a difference between a wealthy person campaigning for a certain issue or acting as a consult to a politician, and a wealthy person trying to pack the government with acolytes to watch out for their company’s profits.

    Well, at least your comment does help make the point of my post.

    As to the points your extrapolate from my post, well, (1) if Walker and Koch are close, then Walker would have recognized the caller were an imposter. You can’t just explain that one away. Oh, and (2), where did I ever say that? I didn’t, that you would suggest I did shows you have a very limited understanding of my argument.

    Trying to see how that’s an old conservative standby. You do go on about that one.

    Please, Levi, if you’re going to offer such lengthy comments to my post, at least make an effort to understand my arguments.

    I don’t understand this argument. Walker talks to Koch for 20 minutes, and because Walker doesn’t sniff out that this is a prankster because of his voice, this means that Walker doesn’t know Koch very well? You’re desperately spinning. It isn’t necessary for Walker and Koch to be ‘close’ in order for Walker to be doing Koch’s bidding. That’s an arbitrary requirement that you’ve created out of nothing. They don’t have to be best friends or even close acquaintances for this to be unethical and inappropriate.

    Comment by Levi — February 24, 2011 @ 6:54 pm - February 24, 2011

  33. Doom, do wonder why folks on the left trot out income inequality all the time (as per title of your link). That seems an issue causing a lot of hand-wringing in faculty lounges, but which evokes mostly shrugged shoulders in the rest of the country.

    Most of us focus on our own lot rather than envy that of someone “better off” (that is, financially) that we.

    Dan, and the rest of you; conservatives aren’t the only people on earth who work hard. Just because someone is concerned about increasing income inequality doesn’t mean that they are jealous, lazy, jobless welfare queens.

    I just don’t know what to say about this. If you think that it’s no big deal for more and more of a country’s wealth to be concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people in the modern global economy, then you’re plainly just not that intelligent. Sharply rising income inequality is most certainly a symptom of corruption and market manipulation. It means we’re turning into an aristocracy.

    And your response to these concerns is that I’m jealous? What are you, a twelve year old girl?

    Comment by Levi — February 24, 2011 @ 7:09 pm - February 24, 2011

  34. Of course there’s no proof of Gov Walker doing Koch’s bidding, but that doesn’t stop Levi’s conspiracy theories.

    Won’t be too much longer before Levi starts implicating the Koch brothers in his 9/11 trutherisms

    And then his inner fascist comes out.

    Additionally, I believe that wealthy people deserve to have political opinions and should be able to do things to advance their preferred beliefs.

    He starts out alright, well except that he believes they deserve to have opinions. Nice to know Levi feels that free thought is something that some people deserve (unless they’re Arabians)

    The problem with the Koch brothers and other conservative billionaires is that their ideology is completely destructive to the economy and unapologetically self-serving.

    Here he gets on a roll. They can have opinions, but they shouldn’t be allowed to act on them because they’re evil and greedy.

    It goes far beyond differences of opinion about how the government should be structured and what kind of economy we should have.

    How dare you try to act on those opinions! Apparently the highly successful Koch brothers haven’t gotten the memo that Levi is smarter than them, and that they should let him drag them kicking and screaming into his future. Where only the right people get to express their opinions and the brown people aren’t troubled with ideas like democracy.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 24, 2011 @ 8:04 pm - February 24, 2011

  35. Here he gets on a roll. They can have opinions, but they shouldn’t be allowed to act on them because they’re evil and greedy.

    More like, rich people who buy politicians in order to further an agenda Levi agrees with are just participating in the political process; but those who support the other side are criminals.

    Comment by V the K — February 24, 2011 @ 9:19 pm - February 24, 2011

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  37. True V the K.

    I mean Levi’s on record of saying that people have the right to change their government, but only in ways he approves.

    He’s Qadaffy, without the power, the support or the good looks.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 25, 2011 @ 8:43 am - February 25, 2011

  38. #37 – Qadaffi WITHOUT the good looks? Lord, that’s ugly.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — February 25, 2011 @ 2:58 pm - February 25, 2011

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  40. “I just don’t even know what to say about this. The rich and powerful in this country were completely responsible for the financial collapse, and here you are assuming the best about them and siding with the billionaires over everyone else.”

    No they weren’t. That is populist nonsense. There were MANY causes for the economic crisis, one of which for example was too many of the middle-income earners buying homes that they could not afford.

    “Maybe if the Koch Brothers were saving the whales or building schools in Africa, you could characterize them as having principles.”

    What makes you think they aren’t? They do a lot of philanthropy.

    “But since they’re running an energy company and are combating environmental regulation and supporting union-busting, I think it’s pretty safe to say they’re doing those things out of greed.”

    Actually, it is out of principle, as public-sector unions have little to do with Koch Industries. It is private unions and public unions that are greedy, as they think they are entitled to money that is not really theirs. Unions are technically legalzied worker cartels. Business cartels are illegal. Imagine a gas station owner, as part of a gas station cartel, saying, “The business cartel movement is the finest way for the average small businessman to make a better life for his family…” HA!

    Regarding regulation, I think they are against excessive levels of environmental regulation.

    “Again, people like the Koch brothers have had a huge influence on the direction of the American economy over the past few years, and the economy is in the toilet.”

    No they haven’t. The last time the federal government followed the libertarian principles the Kochs advocate, was the 1990s, when we had a good economy and achieved a balanced budget.

    Contrary to what Democrats and Obama love to assert, the Bush years were not a time of deregulation and limited government. It was anything but. It was a time of big government conservatism. The last few years have been a period of hyper-liberalism, with Democrats simply taking what Bush and the Republicans did to the next level (the notion McCain would’ve been the one to be four more years of George W. Bush was laughable; with McCain we might have seen some real change).

    The last few years, the Democrats icnreased the minimum wage (and we wonder why the unemployment rate won’t go down) and enacted a massive so-called stimulus bill (nevermind stimulus was discredited over thirty years ago and given up on by most of macroeconomics (you won’t hear that from the likes of people like Paul Krugman though)).

    “The policies they advocate are designed to enrich themselves at the expense of the broader economy’s long term stability. This is very easy to see.”

    No it isn’t, considering free-market policies usually do the complete opposite. Big Business is no friend of the free-market. When you see big businessmen actually advocating for the free-market, that is pretty unusual. Big Business benefits from big government.

    A policy that, for example, calls for heavy regulation of an industry so that big business within said industry can wipe out or buy up all of the smaller players, and dominate the industry, is a policy designed to enrich the big businessmen at the expense of the broader economy.

    A policy that supports free-markets and low taxation is one that supports prosperity and job creation, a policy that is good for everyone, the population and the overal economy. It is this type of policy that the Koch Brothers advocate.

    Comment by Kyle — February 25, 2011 @ 9:31 pm - February 25, 2011

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  42. Koch Industries is actually quite low on the political donations list. SEIU is number one! Now, who’s influencing legislation through political donations?! Levi is a supreme hypocrite! Daniel’s argument is a good one; as a reformed liberal, I think he has the fundamental argument correct, but I would just add one more thing: Liberals are economic MORONS. They don’t comprehend the concepts.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php

    Comment by Noogan — February 27, 2011 @ 9:38 am - February 27, 2011

  43. To Daniel’s point that liberals cannot conceive of conservatives being sincere: As the Healthcare bill approached passage last year, and Republicans said it would be a disaster and ruin the Democrats in November, Democratic partisans said “If the Republicans really think it’s such an awful policy, why are they opposing it?”

    Comment by Johnnie Orange — February 28, 2011 @ 3:14 pm - February 28, 2011

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  45. Oh it’s not too hard to figure out what motivates them. Two words, five letters apiece. Money. Power. And given that they already have both in abundance, I’m at a loss to understand why they’re deserving of any sympathy.

    Comment by Jennifer Starr — March 10, 2011 @ 10:35 am - March 10, 2011

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