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Obsession & Intolerance

Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 4:29 pm - March 24, 2011.
Filed under: Free Speech,Freedom,Gay PC Silliness

Every now and again, I’ll meet a man (or woman) who technically qualifies as an “ex-gay.”  Yet, even though these individuals once slept with members of their own sex and now have chosen life partners of the opposite sex, they don’t identify as such.  Some, usually the men, only reluctantly acknowledge their homosexual past.  The women occasionally do — oftentimes to their husbands’ amusement.

Those who dwell on their past seem as if they’re trying to convince themselves they’re no longer attracted to men.  The more they protest (to borrow an expression), the more we doubt their sincerity.  While most people who change rarely mention their past attitudes, ex-gays seems obsessed with theirs, as if their entire identity is tied up in not being gay.

Indeed, as reader ThatGayConservative informed me in an e-mail, one ex-gay group has even come up with an app for their obsession:

Exodus International, the notorious “ex-gay” organization, has just released an iPhone app that, according to its website, is “designed to be a useful resource for men, women, parents, students, and ministry leaders.” The Exodus website further boasts that its app received a 4+ rating from Apple, meaning that it contains “no objectionable content.”

Those who have successfully pushed to have Apple pull the app have called “Exodus’ message is hateful and bigoted” (emphasis in original), might want to examine their own prejudices.  Just because someone is obsessive does not mean he is hateful or bigoted.  (Why must every attitude which does not correspond with the ideology of the gay left be defined as some form of hate?)

Now, Apple is a private company and should be free to pull — or provide — the app.  But, one wonders at the intolerance of the anti-ex-gays, why are they so committed to suppressing this obsessive group.  If they were truly confident of their own ideas, wouldn’t they welcome opportunities to contest ex-gays’ contentions in public fora and in open debate?

So, we have one side which can’t stop talking about that which they claim they are not.  And another upset every time those obsessives get a public forum.

I say, let the ex-gays speak, let them have their app, the more exposure they get, the more hollow becomes their rhetoric and the more readily we can contest their claims.

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  1. (continued) I mean, I already know that you *want* to feel that way. Go ahead, is what I’m saying.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 25, 2011 @ 2:50 pm - March 25, 2011

  2. Its great because you guys are unprepared for this conversation.

    Let me help you out, look up a man named “Tim Wise”. You’re welcome.

    Comment by Dooms — March 25, 2011 @ 3:04 pm - March 25, 2011

  3. Poor Dooms tries desperately to guilt us into accepting his poor victimhood. Sorry Dooms. I have full amnesty from your racist whining.

    Comment by The_Livewire — March 25, 2011 @ 3:09 pm - March 25, 2011

  4. And once again, Dooms, you state that anyone who DOESN’T think the way you do is ignorant.

    That shows very well your racist beliefs, Dooms. You believe that any black person who doesn’t think exactly the way that you do is “ignorant”. Whether they have been discriminated against or not doesn’t matter — you KNOW they have, and their beliefs, perceptions, and attitudes are irrelevant.

    You have generalized a person’s entire life experience based solely on their skin color. That is completely and totally racist, and shows your level of ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — March 25, 2011 @ 3:12 pm - March 25, 2011

  5. Lol, oh god. Hey NDT take a sociology course, read over some social experiments.

    Get back to me when you have done some research, otherwise you are just another ignorant person subscribing to the perks of white privilege (ignorance being one of the biggest)

    http://cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2010/11/08/nr.wise.letter.intv.cnn

    Comment by Dooms — March 25, 2011 @ 3:16 pm - March 25, 2011

  6. It is amusing watching Dooms make a fool of himself.

    He’s stuck trying to change the subject, since he’s hoist by his own words.

    It must be horrible for Dooms, y’know? He’s so obsessed with being oppressed that he can’t face the existance of powerful successful people who aren’t receiving ‘white privilege.’

    Clarent Thomas, doesn’t count. Allen West? Nope. Oprah? Must be a figment of his imagination.

    It takes *work* to be sucessful. It’s much easier to claim ‘da man’s out to get me’.

    Comment by The_Livewire — March 25, 2011 @ 3:24 pm - March 25, 2011

  7. Lol, oh god. Hey NDT take a sociology course, read over some social experiments.

    Is that all you’ve done? Then that would explain why you’re so completely uninformed, ignorant, AND racist.

    Problem here is that you’re being held accountable for your words, child. I’m also turning against you the fact that black people like yourself openly discriminate against and attack successful black people like Grant Hill and his parents, insisting that the only way you can be “authentically black” is to be a welfare-addicted failure from a broken home.

    You created the stereotype and the racism, Dooms. Problem is, you can’t function without either, because you need to be judged based on the color of your skin rather than the content of your character.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — March 25, 2011 @ 3:36 pm - March 25, 2011

  8. In the great words of Bioware entertainment

    And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.

    http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6661775&lf=8

    Comment by Dooms — March 25, 2011 @ 3:39 pm - March 25, 2011

  9. Clarent Thomas, doesn’t count. Allen West? Nope. Oprah? Must be a figment of his imagination.

    Those are all race traitors and Uncle Toms to Dooms. Real black people are welfare addicts who scream racism and can never get anything done because whitey keeps them down.

    According to Dooms, the only way those folks succeeded was by acting white and sucking up to haters. None of them are authentically black like Dooms is.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — March 25, 2011 @ 3:41 pm - March 25, 2011

  10. And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority.

    And the reason Mommy and Daddy don’t always give you what you want and occasionally tell you you’re wrong is because they hate you. And of course they’ll deny that they hate you because they don’t want to be called haters, even though they are.

    Childish logic, Dooms. Typical of racists like yourself, who blame all white people for your problems and attack any black person who dares to disagree with you as being ignorant and not really black.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — March 25, 2011 @ 3:44 pm - March 25, 2011

  11. And then this was really funny.

    They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance.

    Of course. That’s why racist black people like Dooms scream and cry when they have to take the same tests as white people and are subject to the same rules as white people. They’re so used to being catered to that they think NOT being catered to proves that you are a “racist”.

    Dooms wants special privileges based on his skin color, and he uses “white privilege” as a reason to rationalize why he should have them. That’s what this is all about, and that is why Dooms is so hostile to black people who demonstrate that it’s not racism, but his own laziness and irresponsibility, that keeps him in a bad situation.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — March 25, 2011 @ 3:48 pm - March 25, 2011

  12. Dooms, the post you are quoting was in reference to a post by an individual who felt that a game team had created a product that appealed to only a small demographic of gamers and even within that demographic, there were those who would likely find it unsatisfactory. When I spend upwards of $60 on a product, it sure as anything better cater to me.

    What you quote is a good bit of spin though. Game companies are awesome at that, making statements that sound satisfyingly meaningful, but really don’t say all that much.

    To me what your quote boils down to is, ‘Yeah, you didn’t get what you wanted this time, but quit complaining because we gave some other people what they wanted.’

    Comment by Khepri — March 25, 2011 @ 4:17 pm - March 25, 2011

  13. And now, since Dooms has been suitably run off, let’s repost what Truth Wins Out and Ex-Gay Watch’s actual beliefs are, courtesy of their media spokesperson and Director of Social Media Evan Hurst.

    Actually, Bob, most “reasonable” people, if we’re using the word with a respect for its root word, “reason,” agree that there is no evidence for God’s existence, and thus no rational REASON to believe that any god or gods have determined ANYTHING, much less morality.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 27, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

    Hahahahaha, um. Dude. Seriously? No one in the history of the universe has ever been able to prove that the idea of “gods,” which have always been used to control populations, ever existed. It’s a ridiculous idea, created by uneducated nomads from thousands of years ago.
    GROW UP>
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:13 am

    They all rank “10″ because they’re all retarded and none of them can be proven by any human who’s ever lived.
    God, your questions are really stupid.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:29 am

    Bob. That means your god is a weak minded little bitch who changes his mind and is definitely NOT eternal or omnipotent. He’s merely a reflection of humanity’s most disgusting instincts.
    Grow the hell up.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:20 am

    Of COURSE, their idea of god is as a serial rapist. Fundamentalist religious people ARE essentially battered wives. They just act it out on a grander scale without such visible bruises. The really screwed up thing is that their abuser is an imaginary friend.
    But it’s a rapist just the same.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:22 am

    Ben, everything you said was spot on. Bob’s idea of “god” is a moral reprobate, and a child at that. I wouldn’t worship a sniveling ass like that if you paid me.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:25 am

    Once one realizes that Evan Hurst, Wayne Besen, Michael Airhart, and the Truth Wins Out and Ex-Gay Watch organizations are really nothing more than antireligious bigots, their message seemingly becomes much less palatable.

    And when one also sees the endorsement of the Truth Wins Out organization of this type of speech, one realizes what Evan Hurst, Wayne Besen, and the gay and lesbian community that supports them is actually posting and writing about anyone who disagrees with them — including troubled and confused teenagers.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — March 25, 2011 @ 4:33 pm - March 25, 2011

  14. STILL no explanation as to why the liberals have no problem with multiple apps by REAL gay murderers.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — March 25, 2011 @ 5:45 pm - March 25, 2011

  15. I have to admit, I’d never heard of Tim Wise, the guy Dooms mentioned above. All I have to say is…wow.

    Comment by Gene — March 25, 2011 @ 6:09 pm - March 25, 2011

  16. Tim Wise

    Who cares? Just because someone says pile-of-bullcrap X, doesn’t make it right. As Dooms gives us proof, daily.

    An idea has to stand on its own truth/logic. Not on whether someone says it, or who, or how many, etc.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 25, 2011 @ 6:35 pm - March 25, 2011

  17. (continued) From what Wiki says, Tim Wise would appear to be a racist: someone who thinks in racial terms and advocates NON-racially aware policies, or a color-discriminating (as opposed to color-blind) society.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 25, 2011 @ 6:43 pm - March 25, 2011

  18. Sorry typo, “… and advocates NON-racially -neutral- policies…”

    It’s hard to keep the positives and negatives and double-negatives all straight, when you’re dealing with people like Tim Wise and Dooms who advocate race-consciousness under a false banner of being anti-racist.

    My position is truly anti-racist: race is a false concept, it has only the tiniest smidgen of medical validity, and no other validity to speak of. Therefore, we should strive for a society wherer individuals are consistently judged by their qualities of character, not their alleged race.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 25, 2011 @ 10:10 pm - March 25, 2011

  19. As for Exodus, it’s up to Apple if they want to have it as an app. First they did because of support, and then they decided to remove it because of protests.Free market here.

    Is it free market or a tyrannical minority that believes they know what’s good for us and we’re too f*king stupid?

    Question, why do you jump down the throat of gay groups for something like this, yet you people seem to say nothing when Christian “Family” groups boycott business,

    Nothing? Are you sure about that?

    Boycotts still allow for freedom of choice. People can and usually do still patronize businesses which are being boycotted. Boycotts generally wind up hurting those whom are not the target and thus, for the most part, don’t work. Remember the black boycott of SC, a few years back? Wound up hurting black business owners more than anything.

    Also, boycotts generally don’t include fear and intimidation, unless it’s liberals behind the boycott. However, Change.org and their assorted brain-dead lemming retards removed choice from the marketplace “for the greater good”.

    That’s why the gay groups get the condemnation they rightly deserve and seem to demand.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — March 26, 2011 @ 12:17 am - March 26, 2011

  20. They are not ex-gay or gay, they are bisexual. That’s what it means to be attracted to members of both sexes.

    Comment by Karen — March 26, 2011 @ 3:21 am - March 26, 2011

  21. Is it free market or a tyrannical minority that believes they know what’s good for us and we’re too f*king stupid?

    TGC, it could be both, but it is definitely the former. One possibility. After the protest began, Apple executives researched Exodus themselves. They found them to creepy quacks (let’s face it, they are). So they felt ethically obligated to not have Exodus as one of their apps anymore. On the other hand, if they had no ethical problem with Exodus, then they made a business decision as to whether it would benefit them more to keep the app or to get rid of it. Now, this tyrannical minority might be small enough that such a decision actually will hurt Apple. Even in this case, they made a poor (but free) market decision to get rid of the app. If they see other cellphone companies use the app and sees their businesses skyrocket as a result, they may reverse their decision again.

    I’ve seen other times where a fringe group (with a belief I oppose) organizes a protest/boycott of a company who succumbed to the pressure. As much as I am angry with the group, it is their right. But I tend to get more pissed at the company for succumbing to the pressure.

    That’s why the gay groups get the condemnation they rightly deserve and seem to demand.

    And some so-con groups (see 2011 CPAC convention).

    Comment by Pat — March 26, 2011 @ 9:49 am - March 26, 2011

  22. 70.They are not ex-gay or gay, they are bisexual. That’s what it means to be attracted to members of both sexes.

    Karen, I imagine some of Exodus’s clients are bisexual and want to suppress or eliminate same sex attractions, but that’s not usually the case. It is usually persons who are gay. Some of whom haven’t had sex with men, while others have. Some may have had sex with women, but the sex didn’t click like it did with men.

    “Ex-gay” is a label for those who believe that they have been able to suppress their homosexual attraction enough so that they believe they can have a romantic relationship with a woman. Unfortunately, the reality is they are still sexually attracted to men and not to women.

    Comment by Pat — March 26, 2011 @ 9:56 am - March 26, 2011

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  24. Just a quick little hello from my parents and I, to help some of you with your own families.

    Remember to remind your family that LGBT Equality is important. Promote Equality for LGBT people, every day.

    Comment by Little_Kiwi — March 27, 2011 @ 11:40 am - March 27, 2011

  25. How can you be so unbelievably obtuse

    I mean Jesus Christ, JEWS don’t hate themselves this much

    Comment by Jack Elam — March 27, 2011 @ 12:47 pm - March 27, 2011

  26. Jack, please do tell us how you reach the conclusion that we are so, as you put it, “unbelievably obtuse” and how you reach the conclusion, based on the post to which you attach your comment, that we hate ourselves so much.

    And please make sure to acknowledge the point I made above about the strange obsessions of ex-gays!

    Thanks!

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — March 27, 2011 @ 1:04 pm - March 27, 2011

  27. I mean Jesus Christ, JEWS don’t hate themselves this much

    1. Post under your real name, Levi.

    2. Why all caps on JEWS? Are we having a hissy-fit? Da Jooos are in a self-loathing contest? Where is it being held? Can we see a copy of the rules book? Who is the referee? (Can a Joo ref a Joo self-loathing contest?)

    3. Is this Jesus Christ the King of the Jews or is he your favorite mythical concept hiding behind a rock waiting to see his shadow?

    4. Do you and The Auntie of All Venom have Terrets Syndrome or can you attach meaning to your out-bursts?

    Comment by Heliotrope — March 27, 2011 @ 6:54 pm - March 27, 2011

  28. Apple isn’t a “private company” as the term of art is commonly used. Koch Industries is a private company. Apple is a public company — publicly held — and is answerable to shareholders and the public, so its behavior is likely to be swayed by public action.

    Misunderstanding this isn’t the heart of this post’s fallacy, but I thought I would mention it. Anyone who also doesn’t understand the anti-humane aspects of anti-gay ‘therapy’ needs to review the Prop 8 trial transcript. This kind of torture does not belong in the public sphere, certainly not on anyone’s iPhone.

    Comment by Teddy Partridge — March 27, 2011 @ 9:55 pm - March 27, 2011

  29. Wonder Teddy if you actually read the post to which you attach your comment.

    First, just because Apple is a publicly-traded company does not make it public in the sense a government institution is. And is why I called it private above. While shareholders buy their stake in the company in a public market, they choose to do so freely and are not compelled to participate.

    That said, if there is a fallacy in this post, as your suggest, please identify it. Do hope you realize that I am critical her of the ex-gay ministries (but they’re not anti-gay as you claim).

    Oh and Jack, seems you’re suggesting that Jews in general hate themselves. . .

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — March 28, 2011 @ 1:15 am - March 28, 2011

  30. Well in Jack’s defense… ‘dem joooooossssss’ do vote overwhelmingly Democrat…

    Comment by The_Livewire — March 28, 2011 @ 7:50 am - March 28, 2011

  31. “Is it free market or a tyrannical minority that believes they know what’s good for us and we’re too f*king stupid?”

    It’s the free market at work. Apple balanced the potential revenue from the app against the potential lost business from those opposed to it. It’s basic cost-benefit analysis.

    Comment by D.F. Manno — March 28, 2011 @ 9:40 pm - March 28, 2011

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