Like many conservatives, indeed, many of no particular political affiliation or ideological bent, I am skeptical of the creed of global warming for a great variety of reasons. First, the “science” seems more speculative than sound, based upon computer models dependent on dubious data. In addition, it just seems another excuse for liberals to push their favorite answer to all problems and to demonize their favorite villains. Not to mention the fact that some use this supposed science to explain all manner of extraordinary natural phenomena, as if earthquakes, cold spells, and hurricanes never occurred before the dawn of the Industrial Age.
It seems that every time liberals talk up the threat of global warming, they propose some vast new regulatory scheme, increasing the power of the state and reducing the freedom of individuals and enterprise. It’s all about control and vilifying that most hated economic system, capitalism. Yesterday, in writing about the president’s latest attack on “climate change deniers”, Doug Powers offers an interesting commentary on the dogma of global warming:
Gas prices are around $4 a gallon — and in some areas pushing $5 a gallon — and Chicago is seeing their lowest springtime temperatures since the 1940s. This means it’s the perfect time to talk about what needs to be done to combat global warming before our brains thaw out for a season called “summer” that used to be caused by earth tilt and the sun but is now blamed on capitalism.
Well, in the worldview of some, at least since the mid-nineteenth century, capitalism has been to blame all manner of ills — and not just global warming.
Is it just coincidence that “Earth Day” is also Lenin’s birthday?
No, V the K. No it’s not.
Sorry I haven’t had a chance to read the blog today…
I’ve been idling my car and running the AC non-stop to celebrate Earth Day.
This stupid event was started with help from leftist radical Ira Einhorn, a convicted murderer of his wife.
The Global Warming cult indeed are Communists.
Bruce – I’d be running the A/C here in KC except for the fact that it’s cold! End of April and we still need to run the furnace.
Obama has said he doesn’t have a problem with high gas prices… he just doesn’t have the guts to defend his view; he blames it on nefarious “traders and speculators”.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265487/gas-price-problem-mr-president-most-politicized-justice-department-history-your-servic
Every comment I write has an extra little comment in my handle. Here, it’s enough.
End of April and we still need to run the furnace.
Ditto in Maryland.
Obama is a gutless bully. Stand up to the bullies & they run away. The Republicans need to do this more often, despite the MSM providing Obama’s back-up.
Lemme guess. You doubt evolution too?
Yes conservatives, we get it. You think it’s the height of wit to point out when it’s unusually warm or chilly. Hardy-har-har. In every post on this blog where climate change is the topic, this is invariably the only real point anyone has to make. Well, right after you all cast aspersions on modern science, which you are all just so qualified to do, what with your extensive meteorological backgrounds and profound respect for science.
Why shouldn’t you disregard the global scientific consensus? That this is an international conspiracy against capitalism is only a slightly less plausible idea than the widely-held conservative belief that Obama is not a legitimate US citizen. If you’re going to believe in one steaming pile of bullshit, why not belief in the other?
I’m sure that attempting to dissuade you of the opinion that liberals’ environmental concerns are chiefly about bringing down capitalism would be completely futile, but nevertheless, I assure you that this is not the case. Capitalism has done a great many things for human beings, and that includes instilling a greater understanding and appreciation of the natural world, its resources, and our interactions with the environment. However, there is no such thing as a perfect economic system, and as the global population continues to climb and as resources become more and more scarce, the inherent weaknesses of capitalism are starting to become more problematic. That isn’t to say we should abandon the system entirely, only that we should be more forward-thinking about how governments regulate economies.
Far from being a bunch of anarchists raging against the machine, environmentalists seem to be much more interested in protecting the American economic system in the long term than the captains of industry and government, who seem content to ignore these rapidly compounding economic and environmental issues if it means they can boast about their last quarterly report.
And by the way, it was 70 degrees this Valentine’s Day in Washington DC. By the internal logic of the conservative movement, this means that climate change is a proven fact, right?
Right?
Take a chill pill Levi. A U.N.-approved show of hands doesn’t make a global consensus or science.
Nor can critical thinkers honestly ignore millions of years of more extreme preindustrial climate changes as the author argues. Did you read the post?
Also, what do you make of the more recent Egyptian Cooling? The Roman Warming? The Medieval Warming? And so on. There were no cars around then. Or evil takeaway franchises.
Often I see the “global warming” movement as a replacement faith for anti-Christian liberals.
Nope, wrong once again.
I’ll take the dirtiest hippie over any of you teabagger simpletons any day of the week. A lot of those kids make really good points, and their suggestions aren’t necessarily incompatible with having an advanced, technological economy.
So, Levi agrees that we have to overcome “our addiction to economic growth.”
It’s hilarious to watch the video again and consider… these are the people whose opinions Levi holds in high regard.
V the K, I put the Breitbart link on my Facebook. Thanks.
SS, here’s the vid I posted on my Facebook on Urf Day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roFB7bGCAgc
(More of Levi’s intellectual equals expressing the sane and rational environmental views that will drag us all kicking and screaming into our Ecotopian, Egalitarian future.)
Levi,
In the name of all common decency, stop denigrating environmentalists. I do not know anyone who is Hellbent on destroying the environment. I do not know anybody who does not want clean air, water, healthy forests and a happy, happy planet.
But your band of pseudo-science thugs who want to create carbon credits and act like Luddites by pushing progress backward have no right to co-opt the good work and name of true environmentalists.
Eco-Nazis like ELF and Al Gore are not environmentalists. There is no way you can exempt China and India from Kyoto and be an environmentalist. There is no way you can act like a limousine liberal in every respect and be an environmentalist.
Grow up, Levi. Your global warming religion is just a fundamentalist band of narrow minded zealots who want to conquer the blind savages who “create” global warming. Al Gore showed us the money. But, no one has shown us the science. We just get “iron-clad” theory backed by shakier and shakier partial science.
You are welcome to your religion of man-made global warming and your religion of denying any deity and your religion of mind over matter and your religion of “feelings” being the touchstone of enlightened superiority. All that you are welcome to. But leave the ardent environmentalist out of your bigoted world. The poor environmentalists are not eco-freak warriors on a tear to jam science fiction down everyone’s gullet. Shame on you.
V the K, I also posted this video through a link on JammieWearingFool yesterday.
Having been beaten like a drum here, Levi redeploys to this tread to again demonstrate his ignorance.
Of course, he says he trusts Hippies. I assume he includes Ira Einhorn and terrorists like ELF in that group.
Then again, is anyone surprised Levi supports terrorists? He’s already admitted lying to support his agenda is fine.
Though we can now say that Levi sounds like Charles Manson.
Personally, I find it funny that the Divine has given us such a great example of global warming for ‘Earth Week’.
Levi, are you one of the ’50 million Climate Refugees’? Because i’m thinking you don’t exist either.
Then again, Levi’s ‘scientists’ don’t understand something as simple as cause and effect.
But hey, Levi’s claims he’s smarter than us (again with no proof), but can’t read a thermometer.
Now hush Levi, adults are talking.
Forgot to add (Levi shredding post held in filter) Ted Nugent is more an ‘eviromentalist’ than Levi.
Though Levi’s got the ‘mental’ part down pat.
Levi – I hate to pile on but I don’t think anyone questions the idea of “climate change”. The earth’s climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years… like continental drift, it’s nature.
The debate is the effect, if any, that western civilization has on the climate. To say that human activity has zero effect is wrong. To say that our influence is any more than trivial is debatable against, say, the sun, volcanic activity, oceanic cycles, etc.
And it’s true that a cold spell no more indicates a shift in climate than does a warm spell of busy hurricane season.
It should be obvious that I am all in favor of clean air, clean water, conservation of habitat, and all the rest. What I don’t favor is being lectured on it by buffoons that live in giant houses, travel in private jets, all paid for by various enviro-scams and rent-seeking corporate interests.
Special thanks to iHatethemedia for showing more Scientist fail.
To my Christian friends, Happy Easter.
To my Jewish friends happy (late) Passover.
To my Athiest friends… Good luck! 🙂
Levi, have you cried for any dead trees lately? How about the dead weeds? Or the dead bees? Did you have a cow patty breakfast yet to help the environment yet? Have you bathed in a urine stream? Have you baked an egg on the street? For the glory of Gaia Levi. Do your best Lady Gaga impression & wear excrement instead of meat to get everyone’s attention. Even the blind would not be able to ignore you.
Sebastian,
If Levi really cared about the environment, he’d be cheering our liberation of Iraq (restoring the marshes) and wouldn’t be posting online since that takes electricity, which comes from evil coal and gas and nuclear.
Levi’s a liar and a child.
And like you pointed out, Livewire, Levi screams and cries and demands we follow the “global scientific consensus”, which said there would be “50 million climate refugees” by this year — and then, when that prediction blew up, the UN tried to bury it, and screwed that up too.
What’s the matter, Levi? No answer? Why won’t your “science” hold up under evaluation? Why do you scream and cry and kick and whine that we do what your “science” says, then run away when it’s proven to be a lie?
NDT @ 27:
I think you answered your own questions. Nicely done!
Anyone who doesn’t believe that some climate scientists and those on the alarmist side advocate against economic growth and prosperity should read this. Quote:
I wrote a follow-up here.
Unfortunately, this is what much of the environmental movement believes society must do.
Correction, Sonic.
It’s what they believe everyone in society except themselves must do.
Case in point: Obama haranguing that everyone should turn down their thermostat, then hiking his own.
Or Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi shrieking about scarcity and finger-wagging “the rich” while commandeering government jets to fly them cross country to their multiple houses.
I didn’t bring it up because it’s pretty much self evident.
I can’t stand Commie hypocrite bastards. Worse, these Commie hypocrite bastards want to remain blissfully ignorant in the wake of real facts. Go buy a bathing suit then spend a month in Antarctica in the middle of Winter.
Eco-Nazis want to destory capitalism for everyone but themselves. Just look at Mr. Rich Guy Al Gore. I’ll believe Al Gore truly cares about the environment when he sells the $9,000,000 mansion he bought a couple of years ago and uses the profits to buy solar panels for the homes of lower-income people like me.
Au contraire, dipshit. I, and many others, have wondered where all those hurricanes are that we were promissed by the Global Warmism assholes back in 2005. I remember hearing on the radio, about 3 years ago, that the North Pole was gonna be completely melted by the end of the summer. The climate refugees we’ve been promissed don’t exist.
Long story short, the majority, if not all, of the promisses made by the Church of Global Warmism (the Gormons) has proven to be bullshit.
And why not? The ONLY “cure” for global warmism is to spend ass loads of money, killing jobs and businesses and eliminating the freedoms of individuals.
What about the thousands that have to die thanks to increased CAFE standards? Global warmists don’t want to talk about that.
What about the fact that you have to keep flushing low-flow toilets, negating the water savings, just to get the shit to go down? Global warmists don’t want to talk about that.
What about the thousands who go without food because of increased corn prices due to Ethanol? Global warmists don’t want to talk about that.
What about the birds chopped up by wind turbines and the gear fluids that leak into the ground? Global warmists don’t want to talk about that.
Just saw a story that a company in IN that makes wind turbines just signed a contract with a company in India to manufacture their gear boxes. Global warmists wouldn’t want to talk about that either.
What about the toxic mercury in the lightbulbs we’re forced to use by statist liberals? Global warmists don’t want to talk about that.
Global Warmism is not only a lie, it’s a damn lie and the cock suckers who adhere to it have blood, jobs and the environment on their hands.
Wrong again, sweetheart…
Some of my personal favorite libtard fails:
“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
• Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University
“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day
“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970
“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
• Martin Litton, Sierra Club director
“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
• New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day
“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
• Sen. Gaylord Nelson
“We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
• Kenneth Watt, ecologist
“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
Isn’t Ehrlich one of those jackasses who favor people dying to “save the planet”?
Of course….
Precisely. I don’t dispute that climate science is highly speculative and uncertain, and I recognize that these characteristics create some issues when we’re talking about public policy. However, because of the scientific data we have available, because of rapid transformations the natural environment has undergone since the industrial revolution, and because of the unprecedented problems that climate change potentially holds for mankind, I think we should treat the issue a little more seriously than, “It’s mildly colder on this date compared to last year!”
This is hardly obvious. The conservative movement seems eager to be as wasteful and careless about the environment as possible, given their stated desire to destroy the EPA and with silly episodes like ‘Leave All the Lights on Day.’ Like with so much else, conservatives have taken valid, legitimate criticism to absurd extremes, and seem to be, from my perspective, hostile towards the environment.
Al Gore may be a hypocrite, but that’s not a good enough reason to make your mind up about an issue.
And again, Levi chooses to ignore all the evidence presented.
Facts. Like sunlight to Levi’s cockroaches. Now if only he’d practice what he
preachesdemands others do and save the world by shutting off his phone, his computer, and sitting in the dark.Hush Levi… Adults are speaking.
However, because of the scientific data we have available, because of rapid transformations the natural environment has undergone since the industrial revolution, and because of the unprecedented problems that climate change potentially holds for mankind, I think we should treat the issue a little more seriously than, “It’s mildly colder on this date compared to last year!”
Oh yes, “scientific data” produced by dubious research performed by fake diploma-mill PhDs.
And of course, to ensure that this “data” is never questioned, the “progressive” Barack Obama Party then fires anyone who dares criticize it or make any inquiry into it.
By the way, Levi, where are those “50 million climate refugees” that you and your fellow “progressives” guaranteed were to be produced by this year? That was “global scientific consensus”, pushed by the UN, which means that it is “settled science” and cannot possibly be wrong.
Where are they, Levi? What’s the matter? Don’t you have facts? Where are those refugees? Why are you claiming that information produced by a proven liar and charlatan is “fact” and demanding that anyone who questions it be fired?
ND30,
Levi’s already gone on record admitting that he doesn’t find lies “outrageous or inappropriate”. So him accepting the lie of 50 million climate refugees by 2010 isn’t surprising.
Levi lies all the time, and sees nothing wrong with it.
I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised he works in sales. 😉
Ummm, Levi?
Would you mind addressing the fantastical messages of doom your side hammered into this nation 30 or so years ago, or have you people moved on to a new narrative now?
Trying to keep up with this “new civility” you’ve created is a bit more daunting than you led us to believe.
Levi should give up his planes and SUVS if he believes in gorebull warming but he didn’t give those up did he?
Sensible climate change policies actually do more in the long term to preserve economic growth than the path of reckless indifference that most conservatives espouse. Economic growth can’t be the only thing we consider when drafting public policy. We ought to have an eye towards the future and we ought to make sure that growth is sustainable, even if it costs us some short-term growth.
The question is whether or not we should make preparations. In the event that climate change is occuring, we will have a better footing to deal with the problems if we begin controlling what we can now. If that means our economic growth slows for a few years, then so be it. We can afford it. We’re a country of fatties who spent the past decade carving up farmland for housing developments that stand abandoned due to a housing bubble and financial crisis that evaporated trillions of dollars overnight. Is that the kind of economic growth you’re concerned about missing out on?
The conservative solution to all our problems is to double down on the status quo by ceding more and more power to corporations. Even if climate change isn’t a problem, the rest of the world is catching up and we will soon have to be more competitive and adaptable then we have been. An economy based on using and wasting vast amounts of non-renewable resources is a lumbering behemoth with all kinds of vulnerabilities on its underbelly, and it’s incredibly risky to believe that this can continue.
Like I said earlier, I recognize that climate science is inherently speculative, and even in the middle of the next ice age or global drought, it will be exceedingly difficult to tell whether or not humans had anything to do with it. We would need control Earths, we would need God-like technologies to control the variables.
But we can rest assured that it will happen. It could be thousands of years from now and the human race might have obliterated itself by then, but it will come around again. The point is that we should be prepared regardless of when this problem inevitably surfaces, and we ought to seriously consider that human civilization can contribute. The atmosphere on this planet is a byproduct of organic life, and it stands to reason that if we helped to create it, we might be also be able to wreak havoc on it. It simply isn’t worth risking.
30 years ago the MSM were talking about the Coming Ice Age since the United States experienced particularly cold Winters for several years:
from In Search Of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ndHwW8psR8 (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tokbiZW3gVY (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nprY2jSI0Ds (Part 3)
Nevermind, the scares from Time & Newsweek around this time plus the same scare tactics from the evening news from the then Big 3 networks.
These are the same people climbing on the Global Warming bandwagon, yet they openly contradict themselves.
and Levi still can’t address any of the science above.
Again Levi, stop with the hypocritical attitude, shut off your computer, turn off your cell phone and go live in a cave.
Source?
Source?
So Levi, what revelation caused you to go from ‘settled science’ to ‘inherently speculative’?
Answer, Levi’s losing. Also why Levi can’t post any facts, just his speculation above. It’s why he never got back to ILC’s shredding of his theories. It’s why he tries to ignore that his claims of Co2 being a cause of global warming don’t match reality.
Hush Levi, the adults are talking