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Can your sexuality now help you get into college?

Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 12:46 pm - August 25, 2011.
Filed under: Academia,Gay PC Silliness

Elmhurst College, Nathan Harden reports in the National Review’s Phi Beta Cons,

. . . has become the first college in the nation to directly ask applicants if they are gay. The question, “Would you consider yourself to be a member of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community?” appears on the school’s new admissions application.

Students who self-identify as could could even “qualify for a scholarship worth one-third of tuition at the private, liberal arts school”.

Guess this helps promote the notion of sexuality as a protected victim class entitled to all rights, privileges and honors pertaining thereto.

This is absurd.  Colleges shouldn’t ask about such things on their applications and focus instead on the student’s merits, his accomplishments.

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39 Comments

  1. slight typo in title?

    Comment by rusty — August 25, 2011 @ 12:51 pm - August 25, 2011

  2. yup, thanks, fixed.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — August 25, 2011 @ 12:53 pm - August 25, 2011

  3. That would be true if all a school cared about was a school filled with nothing but the highest test scores, GPA, etc. But it’s long been know, especially in the business community, that more diverse groups of people lead to better educations, stronger outcomes, and better thinking. Surrounding oneself with people who have the same background and same history, the same everything, can stagnate one’s thinking.

    “sexuality as a protected victim class entitled to all rights, privileges and honors pertaining thereto”
    Everyone has a sexuality, whether straight, gay, bi (or, hell, asexual). You’re pretending that asking someone’s sexuality is akin to looking for victims, but it’s just one more part of a person’s background, one more part of every individual’s life, one thing that makes them who they are (especially with the right-wing demonization of homosexuals). College admission boards have long since looked at more than just scores and numbers; this is one additional piece of an applicant’s story. I have never understood why modern conservatives are so threatened by knowing more about an applicant.

    Comment by torrentprime — August 25, 2011 @ 1:15 pm - August 25, 2011

  4. Surrounding oneself with people who have the same background and same history, the same everything, can stagnate one’s thinking.

    College admission boards have long since looked at more than just scores and numbers; this is one additional piece of an applicant’s story. .

    So perhaps, you might be willing to tell us all something…

    Why does who I show my erect penis to make me “diverse?” Of course, if I grow up in some shithole barrio, living beneath the poverty line (as I actually did, by the way), and excel in high school, that’s certainly valid. If I volunteered at a soup kitchen or retirement home, certainly that’s something, just as if my parents came here to escape genocide in Rwanada…

    But what makes me horny???/ I’m curious as to why that’s something a college would be interested in, torrent, or why that makes me “diverse.” Hmmm…the mind wonders.

    Simple question. Go ahead and think about it. I’ll wait….

    I have never understood why modern conservatives are so threatened by knowing more about an applicant.

    Why does a college or an employer need to know who I share an orgasm with??? To what end does that serve, I wonder?

    Please…..take your time. I’m DYING to hear this.

    Comment by Eric Olsen — August 25, 2011 @ 1:22 pm - August 25, 2011

  5. A “yes” answer could put students in line to qualify for a scholarship worth one-third of tuition at the private, liberal arts school affiliated with the United Church of Christ, said Rold.

    A scholarship for being LGBT? On what planet is that not “absurd”? Here’s a hint: it’s not Earth.

    Comment by Naamloos — August 25, 2011 @ 1:24 pm - August 25, 2011

  6. Also, what is stopping straight people from claiming to be gay?

    Comment by Naamloos — August 25, 2011 @ 1:28 pm - August 25, 2011

  7. But it’s long been know, especially in the business community, that more diverse groups of people lead to better educations, stronger outcomes, and better thinking.

    How about this “diversity” idea: Colleges and universities go into warp overdrive to recruit conservative students and faculty.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 25, 2011 @ 1:30 pm - August 25, 2011

  8. While I find the idea stupid on the face, if Elmhurst is a private college, they can use wahtever criteria they want.

    Comment by The_Livewire — August 25, 2011 @ 1:52 pm - August 25, 2011

  9. What about those who are conflicted about how they feel? How would that work?

    Overall, they’re a private college and can have whatever weird criteria they decide for admission.

    Comment by Nick — August 25, 2011 @ 2:02 pm - August 25, 2011

  10. That would be true if all a school cared about was a school filled with nothing but the highest test scores, GPA, etc.

    Um…what other criterion guages a student’s chances for success in college with any measure of accuracy? Skin color, gender, sexuality, religious preference, etc. are innoncuous in this. A black lesbian Buddhist can succeed in college just as well as a white male heterosexual Evangelical Christan can IF both have the aptitude and apply themselves to the work. It is their record of educational success that demonstrates their ability to others and not these other characteristics the so-called diversity crowd hype.

    Surrounding oneself with people who have the same background and same history, the same everything, can stagnate one’s thinking.

    You mean like the LGBT-only dorms, clubs and schools that have been proposed? How about the “gay ghettos” some seem to be lamenting as slowly going away?

    Everyone has a sexuality, whether straight, gay, bi (or, hell, asexual). You’re pretending that asking someone’s sexuality is akin to looking for victims, but it’s just one more part of a person’s background, one more part of every individual’s life, one thing that makes them who they are (especially with the right-wing demonization of homosexuals).

    So what if they are so-called “ex-gays” or hold to celibacy due to religious beliefs? Are you supportive of giving them affirmative action in this as well?

    College admission boards have long since looked at more than just scores and numbers; this is one additional piece of an applicant’s story. I have never understood why modern conservatives are so threatened by knowing more about an applicant.

    I don’t really have a problem with *private* scholarships being awarded based on ethnicity, sexuality, gender or whatever. It’s an entirely different matter when we’re talking about admissions into college. Now they’re a private college so the rules may differ a bit for them than at a public institution, but I’m willing to bet that they receive Federal & State dollars which still raises legitimate constitutional issues. Diversity is something that should be encouraged BUT not mandated. That is where I strongly disagree with liberals.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — August 25, 2011 @ 2:09 pm - August 25, 2011

  11. inside higher ed vie andy towle at towleroad

    The question at Elmhurst appears in a small group of optional questions, following this introduction: “Elmhurst College is committed to diversity and connecting underrepresented students with valuable resources on campus. The following questions are optional.”

    Then, after a space where students can indicate a religious affiliation, they are asked: “Would you consider yourself to be a member of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community?”

    Gary Rold, dean of admission at Elmhurst, said that the question was added as part of a commitment to “looking at diversity in all of its forms.” He said that the college can only know if it is attracting and admitting gay applicants if it asks the question, just as it asks about other demographic categories. “How do we know who we are attracting if we don’t ask?”

    The “enrichment scholarship” is awarded to those who are admitted and who are members of an underrepresented group. LGBT students will now be considered such a group.

    Elmhurst College is a private four-year college founded in 1871 and affiliated with the United Church of Christ.

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/08/elmhurst-college-is-first-to-ask-prospective-students-about-sexual-orientation.html#ixzz1W48TlH6F

    Comment by rusty — August 25, 2011 @ 2:15 pm - August 25, 2011

  12. Also, what is stopping straight people from claiming to be gay?

    Nothing. Given the overinflated cost of tuition nowadays (God granteth that the higher-ed bubble burst soon), one could very easily claim to be gay to get the 1/3 off discount and then later claim to have “prayed the gay away”. All in all while a bit devious its not a bad idea: screw the left over by taking advantage of their misguided “diversity” scheme and become the darling of the religious right by being a shining example of an “ex-gay”. Make that an educated “ex-gay” with more dough in their pocket post-graduation than the other poor schleps.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — August 25, 2011 @ 2:15 pm - August 25, 2011

  13. The following questions are optional.

    I call bullshit. Oh sure, one may not be compelled to answer the questions in order to be admitted but I betcha that if one gives the “right” answers they have a leg up on the others. Why ask these questions during the admissions process? If the college wants to get an idea of whom they are admitting, do so AFTER their students have been admitted in a voluntary survey.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — August 25, 2011 @ 2:19 pm - August 25, 2011

  14. Why ask these questions during the admissions process?

    Again, why ask the question as to who I prefer to bed at all, and what the f*ck does that have to do with anything?

    I really am sick of this bullshit, and sick of being lumped in with a group of people who somehow feel entitled to equate who they wish to f*ck with people who have overcome obstacles most of us couldn’t conceive of in our worst nightmares.

    Some “Glee” fanboy in Glencoe, IL or Brentwood, CA is now suddenly on par with a kid from Chicago or Detroit who spent four years avoiding being shot, based only on the former’s inability to climax to sexual fantasies involving his/her own gender?

    No wonder the social conservatives give me such shit at RedState. With friends like Elmhurst College, who the hell needs enemies?!?!?!?

    Comment by Eric Olsen — August 25, 2011 @ 2:37 pm - August 25, 2011

  15. To the left, being gay is “merit” and an “accomplishment.”

    Comment by V the K — August 25, 2011 @ 2:48 pm - August 25, 2011

  16. Eric Olsen,
    “No wonder the social conservatives give me such shit at RedState. With friends like Elmhurst College, who the hell needs enemies?!?!?!?”

    Good question. It’s exactly the kind of thing that has me thinking the “LGBT community” wants to be apart and above the heterosexuals in this country (The LGBT activist class at least.). I see this crap being pushed here in NYC constantly.

    Comment by Richard Bell — August 25, 2011 @ 2:52 pm - August 25, 2011

  17. Eric Olsen @ #14, I agree completely.

    Sure, I have had some difficulties, some of which may have had something to do with my sexual orientation, and some of which definitely did not, but I am not a victim of anything but myself. Everyone has adversity to some extent. And some people, like North Koreans, and kids born in the inner city who are exposed to gangs and violence, and people who have been murdered, are actual victims. Admirable people succeed in the face of adversity, and do it without relying upon some misguided program.

    And, based on how the gay community represents itself, I am not surprised in the least that social conservatives do not like gay people (if they, in fact, don’t). I don’t blame them, either. I have said before, that it is the responsibility of LGBT people to demonstrate admirable qualities to others. And complaining and whining about being discriminated against, and accusing others of homophobia, isn’t how you do that.

    Comment by Naamloos — August 25, 2011 @ 2:58 pm - August 25, 2011

  18. Good question. It’s exactly the kind of thing that has me thinking the “LGBT community” wants to be apart and above the heterosexuals in this country (The LGBT activist class at least.). I see this crap being pushed here in NYC constantly.

    Nicely put, Richard.

    It plays perfectly into the leftist LGBT community’s constant, petulant demands for attention and preferential treatment.

    Somehow, Stonewall is analogous to Auschwitz, but then again, who’s more anti-Semitic than the American left?

    Comment by Eric Olsen — August 25, 2011 @ 3:00 pm - August 25, 2011

  19. Again, why ask the question as to who I prefer to bed at all, and what the f*ck does that have to do with anything?

    Not a damned thing for predicting educational success. This smacks of being a continuation of incredibly stupid ideas from the left of mandating so-called diversity, which usually makes things are worse in the end. I myself prefer a diverse environment BUT one that occurs naturally and not through manipulative, discriminatory and exploitative policies. I don’t care about a *voluntary* survery afterwards, but asking these questions during the admissions process opens the door to all kinds of mischief which liberals have demonstrated quite an aptitude for in the past. I also can see constitutional questions if the college is accepting Federal & State funds.

    No wonder the social conservatives give me such shit at RedState. With friends like Elmhurst College, who the hell needs enemies?!?!?!?

    Since I consider both to be two sides of the same coin I really couldn’t answer you.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — August 25, 2011 @ 3:02 pm - August 25, 2011

  20. Since I consider both to be two sides of the same coin I really couldn’t answer you

    Unfortunately, I agree entirely. Hence, the uphill battle we face in the 2012 elections.

    I’m pleased to note, however, that the vast majority of conservative voters treat me with far more respect that I’ve ever received from the entirety of the Modern American Left.

    Comment by Eric Olsen — August 25, 2011 @ 3:16 pm - August 25, 2011

  21. Eric Olsen,
    “Somehow, Stonewall is analogous to Auschwitz, but then again, who’s more anti-Semitic than the American left?”

    Please, don’t get me started with Stonewall. I used to sit in that place far to many evenings for far to many hours with one of the most hard core conservative men I’ve ever known, (Who also happened to be “gay” BTW.) discussing politics, writing, the LGBT community and everything else under the sun. It’s one way I know so much of the LGBT activist class in this town is the most hateful bunch you will ever meet in your life.

    Comment by Richard Bell — August 25, 2011 @ 3:42 pm - August 25, 2011

  22. It’s one way I know so much of the LGBT activist class in this town is the most hateful bunch you will ever meet in your life.

    Richard, if it were possible to agree with you more than 100%, I certainly would.

    They took their gloves off a long time ago…it’s time we did the same.

    Comment by Eric Olsen — August 25, 2011 @ 3:47 pm - August 25, 2011

  23. Eric Olsen,
    “They took their gloves off a long time ago…it’s time we did the same.”

    The trouble is, you and I may be the only two human beings to realize it, Eric.

    Comment by Richard Bell — August 25, 2011 @ 4:14 pm - August 25, 2011

  24. But it’s long been know, especially in the business community, that more diverse groups of people lead to better educations, stronger outcomes, and better thinking. Surrounding oneself with people who have the same background and same history, the same everything, can stagnate one’s thinking.

    I do love it when racists and bigots like torrentprime unmask themselves so readily.

    Because, bluntly put, torrentprime is stating, “A group of all white people is not diverse because white people all have ‘the same background and same history, the same everything’”.

    Conversely, “Black people always make everything diverse because a black person could never have ‘the same background and same history, the same everything’ as a white person.”

    Now those of us who are not racist or bigoted would realize that it is perfectly possible that two people could have the same background, history, experiences, etc., even if they were of different skin colors, sexual orientations, and the like. In short, background, history, and the like are not automatically dependent on one’s sexual orientation or skin color.

    But torrentprime is so locked into his racist and bigoted mindset that he is not capable of seeing that. Torrentprime’s worldview revolves around ideas, thoughts, background, and history being inextricably and absolutely linked to skin color and sexual orientation.

    Therefore, torrentprime does not care about a person’s academic qualifications. What torrentprime cares about is that said person is of the correct skin color or sexual orientation so that he can check the “diversity” box — which he then tries to rationalize with a statement that a group made up of people with different skin colors, regardless of their qualifications, will always outperform a group of people of the same skin color.

    The danger here is that this is what Barack Obama believes. For god’s sake, he selected a Supreme Court justice who stated on multiple occasions that ethnicity was a better determinant of judicial fitness than whether or not one was actually educated. Indeed, racist Sonia Sotomayer, who belongs to and endorses an organization literally titled “The Race” (La Raza), openly stated that “wise Latinas”, regardless of their education, judicial experience, or background, would make better judges than white males.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 25, 2011 @ 4:23 pm - August 25, 2011

  25. Elmhurst College is a private four-year college founded in 1871 and affiliated with the United Church of Christ.

    I didn’t realize that EC is a religiously-affliated college. I strongly disagree with this policy but this tidbit of info does raise a Devil’s Advocate line of questioning: what is different between asking about a prospective student’s sexual orientation and requiring them to hold to certain religious and/or moral beliefs? If the non-denominationally Christian affliated Patrick Henry College and LDS Church-affliated Brigham Young University can legally and constitutionally place such restrictions on admitting prospective students, why can’t UCC-affliated Elmhurst College ask about sexual orientation? Granted, it’s a stupid and condemnatory move I strongly disagree with that the EC is making, but that’s besides the point here.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — August 25, 2011 @ 5:11 pm - August 25, 2011

  26. http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/statements.html

    Home : Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender
    Social Policy Statements on LGBT Concerns

    by United Church of Christ National Bodies

    Since 1969 various national settings of the United Church of Christ have addressed the concerns of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people in church and society, calling for welcome, inclusion and justice. On this page you will find a comprehensive list of the pronouncements, resolutions and other actions adopted by the General Synod, Executive Council and other UCC national bodies.

    Comment by rusty — August 25, 2011 @ 5:29 pm - August 25, 2011

  27. from the SunTimes

    “Increasing diversity is part of our mission statement,” said Gary Rold, Elmhurst’s dean of admissions. “This is simply closing the loop, in many ways, of another group who has a very strong identity. It may not be race and religion but it’s an important part of who they are.”

    The question will appear on applications for those freshman and transfer students hoping to start in the fall of 2012. Like admissions questions about race, ethnicity or religion, answering the question is completely optional and does not affect admission decisions. Students can check “yes,” “no,” or “prefer not to answer.”

    Those who answer “yes” may be eligible for a scholarship worth up to one-third of tuition, not unusual because about 60 percent of incoming students receive some type of scholarship aid, Rold said. More importantly, he said, knowing students’ sexual orientation will help officials direct incoming students toward services or groups that might help them make an easier transition to college life.

    . . .
    Rold said he knows some students will bristle at the question, as they do at questions about race and ethnicity.

    And while the question might attract more applicants, he thinks that number will balance out with students who do not apply because of the question.

    http://www.suntimes.com/7254428-417/elmhurst-college-asks-prospective-students-if-they-are-gay.html

    Comment by rusty — August 25, 2011 @ 5:35 pm - August 25, 2011

  28. To the Left, all they need to find is a black gay Muslim transgender student. How many scholarships could get get with this absurd criteria? How about good grades instead?

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — August 25, 2011 @ 5:45 pm - August 25, 2011

  29. That’s a strange sort of diversity. Note that the question doesn’t ask about one’s sexual orientation, it asks if the applicant considers him- or herself to be a member of the GLB…oops…LGBT community. That helps them separate happy progressive homos from those icky conservative ones.

    Comment by Draybee — August 25, 2011 @ 7:31 pm - August 25, 2011

  30. Would they care that I find this offensive? Am I not capable of getting into college or wining a scholarship because I’m gay? Talk about homophobia.

    Comment by jac — August 25, 2011 @ 10:59 pm - August 25, 2011

  31. My kids and I are discriminated against whereever we go because of traits like blond hair, blue eyes and white skin, it’s disgusting, I can’t change my skin color or the color of my eyes but it’s held against me all the time here in CA. Shame on these liberals that won’t strive to be decent people but rather make others feel like they feel, horrible. Now on top of it, citizens of CA now will have to pay for the education of illegals, they will get first choice over American citizens, my kids or myself will not get the same chances for an education as illegal Mexicans and I’m not given the time of day now but to take my money and give it to others for a better life for them over my own, amazing. Dems have destroyed their cause by electing Obama, it’s none of anyone’s business who I fall in love with, but you know what we know now, people are nicer to you and you get more if you are gay, black, brown, atheist or illegal. There liberals, you got your way, happy now.

    Comment by jann — August 25, 2011 @ 11:06 pm - August 25, 2011

  32. what is different between asking about a prospective student’s sexual orientation and requiring them to hold to certain religious and/or moral beliefs? If the non-denominationally Christian affliated Patrick Henry College and LDS Church-affliated Brigham Young University can legally and constitutionally place such restrictions on admitting prospective students, why can’t UCC-affliated Elmhurst College ask about sexual orientation?

    I’m not really certain in what I’m saying, but I don’t really think they are that comparable. Aside from the fact that all institutions you mention are private, a religious institution enforcing an honour code based on the affiliation of the institution (or even denying enrolment based on religion) does make sense (in my opinion). While this private college probably should be able to ask this question and offer this scholarship, that doesn’t change the fact that it is downright absurd (as you said).

    Something I find troubling about this is that it may set a precedent that other institutions, some of which may be public, might follow. As for whether or not that would be constitutional (and, based on affirmative action, which, based on a cursory glance of Wikipedia’s page on the subject, has some aspects that are constitutional), it may be constitutionally protected. But I know almost nothing about the constitutionality of affirmative action in the US, so I am not the person to talk about it.

    Comment by Naamloos — August 26, 2011 @ 1:08 am - August 26, 2011

  33. I have never understood why modern conservatives are so threatened by knowing more about an applicant.

    Weren’t the Soviets keen on subdividing the people into various groups? I know the Germans did about 70 years ago. How’d those “diversity programs” work out?

    A scholarship for being LGBT? On what planet is that not “absurd”? Here’s a hint: it’s not Earth.

    Take a gander at the FastWeb or CollegeProwler websites sometime. There’s scholarships for just about anything and everything. They can discriminate too.

    “How do we know who we are attracting if we don’t ask?”

    Most businesses use targeted advertising and then ask if and where they saw the ads. But I guess if you’re cheap (or hiding an agenda), you could ask directly.

    Comment by TGC — August 26, 2011 @ 2:24 am - August 26, 2011

  34. Oh and HRC has a compiled list of GLBWXYZ scholarships including the Limp Wrist Scholarship.

    Yeah, there’s one to be proud of.

    http://www.hrc.org/issues/youth_and_campus_activism/8644.htm

    Comment by TGC — August 26, 2011 @ 2:32 am - August 26, 2011

  35. TGC @ #34, when you said “Limp Wrist Scholarship,” I was sure you must be joking. But, there it is on HRC’s website.

    I guess being gay is quite an accomplishment, though. Akin to how being white is an accomplishment (or having brown eyes). It is about time someone recognized that.

    Comment by Naamloos — August 26, 2011 @ 2:56 am - August 26, 2011

  36. Another good one is the “Queer Foundation Effective Writing and Scholarships Program.” What’s next, the “Fag Foundation”?

    Comment by Naamloos — August 26, 2011 @ 3:01 am - August 26, 2011

  37. “For Aligned Gays Foundation.” See I can even come up with a name that fits the acronym. :-)

    Comment by The_Livewire — August 26, 2011 @ 7:55 am - August 26, 2011

  38. Torrentprime:

    What if its a trap? What if Marcus Bachmann is using this as a way to grab innocent gays off the street and force them into reparative therapy and chase all their gay blues away? After all, it is a “religious” college and you know how those Christian soldiers are all armed to the teeth when it comes to the work of Satan.

    You still all goosed up over diversity?

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 26, 2011 @ 12:16 pm - August 26, 2011

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