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Lesbians Charged With “Hate Crime” For Beating Up…. A Gay Guy

Now I’ve seen everything…

Three women identified by their lawyers as lesbians were arraigned yesterday on a hate crime charge for allegedly beating a gay man at the Forest Hills T station in an unusual case that experts say exposes the law’s flawed logic. (emphasis added)

“My guess is that no sane jury would convict them under those circumstances, but what this really demonstrates is the idiocy of the hate-crime legislation,” said civil liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate. “If you beat someone up, you’re guilty of assault and battery of a human being. Period. The idea of trying to break down human beings into categories is doomed to failure.”

Prosecutors and the ACLU of Massachusetts said no matter the defendants’ sexual orientation, they can still face the crime of assault and battery with intent to intimidate, which carries up to a 10-year prison sentence, by using hateful language.

Are you KIDDING me?!?

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

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  1. How’s that for women’s lib?

    Comment by Brandon — February 25, 2012 @ 11:41 am - February 25, 2012

  2. Prosecutor… said the two sisters and one of their domestic partners… beat the man Sunday, repeatedly punching and kicking him after he bumped them with his backpack on a stairwell.

    Sounds like a prison somewhere is missing its angry lesbians.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 25, 2012 @ 12:02 pm - February 25, 2012

  3. Um… am I reading this wrong that someone considers the notion that lesbians could hate days is somehow absurd? That proposition is quite contrary to my personal experiences.

    Comment by V the K — February 25, 2012 @ 1:07 pm - February 25, 2012

  4. Should’ve seen that one coming.

    Comment by TGC — February 25, 2012 @ 1:11 pm - February 25, 2012

  5. I think that this can easily be prosecuted as a “hate crime” since gay men and lesbians are not the same gender, even tho in the same protected-class. It’s no-different than an Asian-on-Black attack; both are “racial”-members of a protected-class, but not the same.

    Now one white gay man attacking another while uttering homophobic-slurs, that could be considered as impossibly a “hate crime”…though I think a competent case might still be possible if one was closeted.

    It’s the utterance/actions and the motivation that defines the crime.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — February 25, 2012 @ 2:45 pm - February 25, 2012

  6. Ambrose Bierce noted in The Devil’s Dictionary this definition:

    HATRED, n. A sentiment appropriate to the occasion of another’s superiority.

    It would appear that this incident involves the lack of deferential acknowledgement within a strict caste system.

    I suggest this difference of understanding be turned over to a group of Mullahs who will mull it over. Or, perhaps Nancy Pelosi can give a 98% of Catholics ruling. Short of that, Cynthia McKinney is available.

    Comment by Heliotrope — February 25, 2012 @ 2:58 pm - February 25, 2012

  7. I have and still am undecided about hate crime laws. However, I always felt that if there is going hate crime laws, then all persons should be considered part of any of the protected characterizations. For example, if the motivation of a Black person assaulting a White person was because of race, or if the motivation of a gay person assaulting a straight person was because of sexual orientation, they should fall under hate crimes statutes as well.

    I don’t know the full story here, but what could happen here (or other similar cases), is that the lesbians thought the man was straight. Or maybe they hate gay man, or any man as motivation for their assault. So the motivation could have been because of gender and/or sexual orientation.

    Ted, I agree with your point. Just because the motivation involved a characteristic one shares with the victim does not make it any less of a hate crime.

    Comment by Pat — February 25, 2012 @ 4:11 pm - February 25, 2012

  8. Helio- Yep. Let’s give it to that Pennsylvania judge who applied Sharia law in allowing a Muslim guy to get out of assault charges against him.

    Perfect idea!!

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — February 25, 2012 @ 4:12 pm - February 25, 2012

  9. This and other altercations within the homosexual/bisexual community is exactly why we do not need “hate” crimes legislation. The first fallacy being that heterosexuals are not the ones beating up homosexuals/bisexuals. Who but an idiot would propose laws to protect sociopathic behavior?

    Comment by rjligier — February 25, 2012 @ 4:15 pm - February 25, 2012

  10. Hate crime laws is just another form of political correctness gone crazy. It needs to be expunged & reversed.

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — February 25, 2012 @ 4:21 pm - February 25, 2012

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  12. Well, like I always say – you live by identity politics, you die by identity politics.

    Exhibit A is right here.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — February 25, 2012 @ 4:49 pm - February 25, 2012

  13. They are being charged with “assault and battery with intent to intimidate”…

    That sounds more like justice than that phony hate crime charge.

    Anyone notice how the lefty GLBT-ers are avoiding this story like a crucifix?
    If this was 3 straight anythings on a gay or trans, the story would be topic one.

    Comment by Geena — February 25, 2012 @ 4:58 pm - February 25, 2012

  14. RJLigier, what is the sociopathic behavior you are referring to?

    Comment by Pat — February 25, 2012 @ 4:58 pm - February 25, 2012

  15. Bruce, I had to google to see what you referred to, and I am absolutely appalled that this apparently actually happened. This judge had no business applying Sharia Law, even if the victim advocated or even felt he was bound by Sharia Law (which apparently wasn’t the case anyway). This judge must be removed from the bench. He can then spend his spare time using his First Amendment right of free speech to advocate for Sharia Law. Or better yet, he can move to a country whose laws are based on Sharia Law.

    Further, all of us have to accept that others might criticize or insult those we worship, and that does not justify assault on that party.

    Comment by Pat — February 25, 2012 @ 5:12 pm - February 25, 2012

  16. It looks like the perps are black… now if the alleged victim is not black and he used racial slurs (how many racial slurs can a gay white man use before it counts?)… or if the perps are Muslims… or if the perps are black Muslims and the victim a straight white male… oh, my eyes have gone cross.

    #7: Bruce, it wasn’t a year ago, was it, that all proper-thinking people thought Oklahoma (I think) was backwards because of a law prohibiting judges from taking Sharia into account. Maybe that wasn’t such a crazy idea after all.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — February 25, 2012 @ 5:38 pm - February 25, 2012

  17. More craven lying and cowardice. Three BLACK lesbians beat up on a gay man. I knew that as soon as I read the first part of the story. (And I’ll bet the guy is white.) The only thing that the current AJ has ever been right about is that when it comes to race, this is a nation of cowards, especially when it comes to being frank about the race of criminal perpetrators.

    Comment by EssEm — February 25, 2012 @ 5:48 pm - February 25, 2012

  18. And of course there couldn’t be anything racial in the attack. Oh no.

    Comment by EssEm — February 25, 2012 @ 5:49 pm - February 25, 2012

  19. Some lesbians hate all men.

    Somehow I don’t think they took the time to check his sexuality before they assaulted him. It’s not as if he shouted “Stop hitting me, I’m GAY!”

    Comment by Koozebane — February 25, 2012 @ 5:59 pm - February 25, 2012

  20. …and some gay men despise all women. And so on, sigh.

    One lesson that more people need to learn is that one should not give anyone a pass on bigotry based on their membership in some preferred minority group.

    Comment by pst314 — February 25, 2012 @ 6:31 pm - February 25, 2012

  21. “Somehow I don’t think they took the time to check his sexuality before they assaulted him.”

    Good point. It’s possible that the victim’s speech or mannerisms conformed in some way to stereotypes, but that seems far, far less likely than the possibility that the perps simply were in the habit of throwing such insults at anyone they came in conflict with. I’ve certainly noticed that to be the case.

    Comment by pst314 — February 25, 2012 @ 6:36 pm - February 25, 2012

  22. Somehow I don’t think they took the time to check his sexuality before they assaulted him.

    Oh, come on. He set off their gaydar. You’ve heard of that, right? Maybe you even have it? Let’s be honest, some guys flame. I don’t know if this guy did or not, but yes, it is within the realm of metaphysical POSSIBILITY that the sisters could have told his sexuality, just by looking.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 25, 2012 @ 7:11 pm - February 25, 2012

  23. Three BLACK lesbians beat up on a gay man.

    Interesting question: was the real hate crime here a racial one, and the prosecutors (or the victim) want to pretend otherwise? Also within the realm of possibility.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 25, 2012 @ 7:14 pm - February 25, 2012

  24. The Black Lesbians should claim that the white gay guy was insulting Islam and that the Koran compelled them to strike back at those who insult Islam. I understand some judges are sympathetic to the Sharia defense.

    Comment by V the K — February 25, 2012 @ 7:15 pm - February 25, 2012

  25. Sounds like a prison somewhere is missing its angry lesbians.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but is there any other kind of lesbian? Just asking.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — February 25, 2012 @ 7:54 pm - February 25, 2012

  26. Much easier to go with hate crime than admit that these angry lesbians are really angry black women how wanted to beat up a white guy. I bet it’s just coincidence that he happens to be gay.
    I am in favor of punishing the action, not the thought process behind it.

    Comment by Leah — February 25, 2012 @ 8:23 pm - February 25, 2012

  27. This “angry lesbian” and “angry black woman” are both old, and rather tired stereotypes. Why not come up with more original material?

    Comment by Eva Young — February 25, 2012 @ 11:25 pm - February 25, 2012

  28. This “angry lesbian” and “angry black woman” are both old, and rather tired stereotypes. Why not come up with more original material?

    Because angry lesbians and angry black women are still living up to the stereotype.

    Or, perhaps you missed Maxine Waters ranting that Republicans were “demons” last week.

    Comment by V the K — February 26, 2012 @ 12:16 am - February 26, 2012

  29. Two comments:

    1) Charge them with assault and battery with no hate crime charges. These bias charges are unconstitutional as they favor one group over another, which is against the 14th amendment.

    2) The mother of two of these lesbians is 38, and the two women are 21 and 17. Another worthless teenage mother rearing irresponsible children. While I detest Santorum, having two parents in the house is better than one. This case proves this point.

    Comment by davinci — February 26, 2012 @ 12:28 am - February 26, 2012

  30. Wow!

    We seem to be having significant trouble pinning down the “hate” here. What if we just tried this case on the facts and let the political correctness mullahs fight among themselves.

    I wonder how this would be reported if the gay guy got battered, but then pulled a gun on them (legal carry permit) and made a citizen’s arrest until the cops arrived?

    Cynthia McKinney is still available for the role of MC in this circus. But, then, so is the Reverend Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton might like to get his righteous self in as well.

    The concept of “hate crime” is on trial and it looks like a Chinese fire drill has broken out. Secondly, it appears that Las Vegas should take odds on a melee between the lesbians and the gays. Thirdly, idiots acting badly seem to be winning by a mile.

    “Your honor, we three black, lesbian ladies were dissed by this honkie poof and our honor, your honor, was compromised. Please lock him up until he learns to respect us and knows his place. Thank you, your honor.”

    “Your honor, I did brush against one of these ladies and they turned on me and called me a ‘honkie poof’ and began beating me. I think they should be sent to sensitivity training and made to write a thousand word essay on ‘Can’t we all just get along.’”

    Comment by Heliotrope — February 26, 2012 @ 8:35 am - February 26, 2012

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  32. It … Gets …. Beaten up.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — February 26, 2012 @ 12:43 pm - February 26, 2012

  33. is there any other kind of lesbian? Just asking

    Yes, there are a lot of nice lesbians. Perhaps coincidentally or perhaps not, they *tend* (on average) to be the lesbians who make less of a ‘thing’ about being lesbians… same as among gay men.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 26, 2012 @ 2:34 pm - February 26, 2012

  34. I know, ILC. It was a cheap shot, and I am sufficiently ashamed of myself. Sometimes I just can’t help it! And you’re spot on about gay folks who don’t make much of a fuss over the fact that they’re gay generally being better people. At least nicer to be around.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — February 26, 2012 @ 3:51 pm - February 26, 2012

  35. I have not had the opportunity to read such an enjoyable collection of semi-serious discussions of the fine points of “how do we apply political correctness to unusual situations in real life.” It creates a problem analogous to the Native American tribe in Northern California that wanted to hunt down a whale as part of their return to tradition. How does an enlightened populace deal with that paradox?

    Comment by killiteten - Native Intelligence — February 28, 2012 @ 12:46 am - February 28, 2012

  36. this shows the problem with the rhetoric of the hate crimes legislation….. I am gay, but think the idea of hate crime is absurd. You beat up or kill someone – prosecute, end of story. If the guy was gay, it shouldn’t be prosecuted differently than it it was an elderly, helpless woman. I am probably in the minority though. If all crimes were dealt with more harshly, we wouldn’t need “hate crime” legislation

    Comment by Mark — February 28, 2012 @ 3:31 pm - February 28, 2012

  37. While feminists quickly seize on opportunities like this, gay men let the unlimited legal potentialities slide right through their fingers. Hate Crime legislation is not going away any time soon and it might be better to make it work in our favor rather than against us. Clearly, other protected classes have absolutely no sympathy for the plight of gay men, why should we excuse them merely because we’re all seemingly standing under some beautiful, multi-colored umbrella? Now’s the time to send a message that its “Never ok to beat up on gay”.

    Comment by DanM — March 5, 2012 @ 12:48 pm - March 5, 2012

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