Gotta love the entrepreneurial spirt of certain conservatives. Look at the clever product some are now hawking on the web:
Seems the creator of this product took the idea from an sticky note he had seen “at a Kroger grocery store in Douglasville, GA, about 30 miles west of Atlanta this past Sunday night.”
3.65 for a gallon of regular seems mighty cheap for those of us California’s Southland.
Cute 🙂 But I guess it depends who’s doing it. If it’s the gas station owner that’s one thing; if you or I do it, I think it’s technically vandalism.
Good point, ILC. It’s why I included a question mark in my title.
Did you know that when Bush was in office, at one time, gasoline spiked passed $5.00 in the state of California?
Must have been Obama’s fault.
Cinesnatch, Obama spoke out against high gas prices during Bush’s presidency, and how Bush was responsible for them. Which makes it fair game to criticize Obama for high gas prices during his presidency.
Citation required. (I lived in CA the whole time, and don’t remember it.)
Or how Bush was at least partly responsible for them. And I’m sure there were things Bush could have done to lower them. Obama also mentioned how the USA needed to become more energy independent. Look how fantastic he has been on that issue (note: he has been terrible on that issue). There are things Obama can do to lower gas prices and make the USA more energy independant, at the very least in the long term.
A growing economy requires cheap, abundant energy. The SCOAMF’s entire energy policy is focused on making it expensive and scarce.
V, that is such an interesting point. Because *lack of growth* makes the debt crisis insolvable (except by debt defaults, or the moral equivalent in inflation).
So let’s see. Obama’s policy is to run up the debt as much as possible, for the benefit of his bankster and/or leftist friends. And simultaneously, Obama’s policy is to pull the rug out from the economy, on energy. Can it end well? Aren’t we watching a train wreck happen?
ILC >> Your skepticism is so predictable. If I was going to make things up and try to sound even remotely plausible, I would have used $6.00 as the figure. Which has never happened, ever.
Congratulations on living in the state of California. Do you want a medal?
I have been a motorized vehicle operator in CA since 2002 in the San Diego and L.A. counties. Are you going to take my word for that? Or do I need provide proof for this also?
I am glad, Cinesnatch, that you understand that I have a low opinion of you. You’ve given me so much reason to.
And thank you, Cinesnatch, for being able to back up your version of reality for once. Now for a relevant extract from your cite:
Do you know where Big Sur is? “South of there” might be the most isolated, therefore most expensive (in terms of shipping), spot in California. So, at a time when most of the state was paying $3-$4, a super isolated spot spiked to $5. Accords with my memories, i.e. NOT seeing $5.
How wonderful, that the various facts & perceptions dovetail, this time.
I’m glad when you ask for proof and it’s provided for you, you refuse to accept it. (Likewise, I’m glad when proof is asked of you, you don’t bother trying.)
Sorry, I forgot to take pictures of the signs at my local gas station at the time it spiked passed $5.00. And, even if I did take pictures and stapled them to your forehead, you would still be screaming about there being no date stamps and/or griping about them being doctored. There’s no pleasing you. This is mantra of some GP conservative commenters: they’re never satisfied with any proof that is put forward, because it’s unlikely to meet their standards. [Insert shifting goal-post reference here]
My job requires me to fill up my gas tank three times a week. I don’t need you to believe what I saw with my own two eyes.
I don’t care what you respond to this post. And, your opinion of me is irrelevant to the conversation. Again, you get personal and emotionally-involved. Go take a walk.
Except, of course, I did nothing of the kind. We’re now in Cinesnatch’s Crazy World of Persecution! 🙂
What I did was: say that it needed a citation, and then acknowledge the one you provided with a brief, but fair analysis of its content. That’s what I did.
I’m so glad, Cinensnatch, that you have once again found a way to make a thread *ALL ABOUT YOU*. I know it makes you feel good.
No, we don’t need so much. If you have a citation showing that gas spiked past $5.00 in California generally – for example, across the greater LA basin – that would be great. I hope you do! It would be nice to see you really be right about something, for once. I really mean that.
Project much? LOL 🙂
ILC, I have to do my taxes in the next month. I will dip into 2007/2008 to see if I have any receipts while I’m at it (I don’t usually save receipts so far back), because I know gas was never more than $5.00 BEFORE then. If I find anything, I’ll surely share it with you.
And, no, I am not projecting. You ARE making things personal by bringing ME into the conversation. And, YOU are the one making it about ME. Not the other way around.
The example provided should have been sufficient for you, as it showed at least ONE place where prices reached the $5.00 mark. As that is all you asked for as far as proof. And, where you find the highest prices for gas, you will find the same prices in parts of L.A. county. I should know, I’ve lived here for six years. Have you?
Say it!
I fill up my gas tank with regular once a month. Last month I had to move to another pump because I forgot which side the gas tank is on.
Regarding Obama’s energy issues: he pledged, in 2008, to drive peoples’ energy prices “sky high.” Since then:
1. He used the BP oil spill to drive American (only) oil companies from the Gulf of Mexico. The drilling rigs, and the jobs (which keeps farmers in the Gulf states in enough cash to pay for their summer crops, e.g. Food) are now off Brazil. As a bonus, SecInterior Salazar deliberately ignored court orders restarting drilling.
2. Coal mines are being closed. New ones can not open. Electrical items such as the internet, the Chevt Volt, feed off the energy provided by coal-fired electrical plants.
3. No infrastructure work has been done on hydro-electric energy producing plants.
4. Wind farms can’t keep up with the load.
5. Horses are being shipped to Europe for food – so we can’t even return to a pre-internal combustion engine age.
6. Electrical grids? No work done there. Same vulnerabilities exist.
All of that happened after January 30th of 2009. Which brings me to the great snow/ice storm of January of 2009 that left tens of millions of Americans without power. Obama’s ONLY response? A lecture on turning down the thermostat (while he the temp in his office to 75).
Obama has no achievements, but doubt we’ll see any coverage of that.
Go to this link: http://www.californiagasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx
Click on the “6 year” link to see that the AVERAGE gas price (allowing that some spots could be higher, perhaps much higher in a few rare spots) in California topped ut at $4.58 in the oil spike of 2008.
Nope. At #9, *YOU* started the process of making things personal. That’s always “Phase 1” of your personalization M.O. Then at #11, you brought in phase 2, namely *YOUR* persecution complex (when you mischaracterized my comment, in a direction of making you out as somehow a persecuted victim).
And indeed it was sufficient, Cinesnatch.
Really – Are you blind? I said this about that one example, specifically:
Cinesnatch – are you blind? Or is it (as seems likely from other threads) that you so enjoy feeling persecuted at every opportunity and making threads about you, that you have a cognitive block to what people have actually said?
Nowhere did I say “the average price of gasoline.”
Getting a great workout for moving those goal-posts?
And similarly”: NOWHERE did I ever say, Cinesnatch, that you had.
Getting a great workout for moving those goal-posts?
Or is it (as seems likely from other threads) that you so enjoy feeling persecuted at every opportunity and making threads about you, that you have a cognitive block to what people have actually said?
What I did say, was this:
*Emphasis* added for clarity. In other words, I introduced the concept of “average” – in order to agree with you that gas could well have spiked to $5 in Gorda, while not being $5 in most other places. I was actually trying to cut you some slack!
Cinesnatch – are you blind? Or is it (as seems likely from other threads) that you so enjoy feeling persecuted at every opportunity and making threads about you, that you have a cognitive block to what people have actually said?
If you weren’t getting so personal, ILC, you might have provided a more informed response like DavidO in Post #14. He shared something that actually matters and nullifies anything I’ve said in this thread ten times more than anything you’ve wasted your time offering. But, rather than get to the heart of the matter, you prefer to create technicalities and move goal-posts.
It doesn’t matter anymore that prices reached past $5.00 in parts of California in 2007. Your link is irrelevant. What DavidO had to share was of much higher import.
LOL 🙂
Getting a great workout for moving those goal-posts, Cinesnatch?
Or is it (as seems likely from other threads) that you so enjoy feeling persecuted at every opportunity and making threads about you, that you have a cognitive block to what people have actually said?
The Cinesnatch M.O. – how you make threads about yourself:
Step 1 – Deny, misunderstand, distort, misrepresent, or plain ignore the actual content of what opponent X just said.
Step 2 – Say something snarky, i.e. personal, opponent X. This begins the “personalization” process.
Step 3 – When opponent X follows you to that level in even a small way, conveniently forget that you had done in (i.e., started it). Pretend you’re such an innocent victim to their persecution.
Step 4 – Post comment after comment in which you plaintively whine about their persecution of you, at the same time further snarking at them and further forgetting that you’re doing it. In other words, repeat step 3 ad infinitum.
I’ve seen you do it in thread after thread, Cinesnatch. This thread is yet another example.
I don’t know – do you do it maybe because, say, it always worked with your mom?
This is from an article about Gorda’s high gas prices:
From another article:
So, not only is Gorda an incredibly tiny, isolated town with the only gas station for miles on a highway, but the fact that it uses a diesel generator for its power that the gas station pays for drives the price of gas up even further.
In other words, Cinesnatch, way to divert from the issue by providing a completely irrelevant example to back up your claim.
PS – I apologize for spelling “independent” incorrectly in my previous comment.
Good info, Rattlesnake.
And I apologize to you and all, for playing here into Cinesnatch’s “personalize, make it about me” M.O. I have my reasons. He seems to want the attention; that is, I’ve seen him make many threads about himself (including ones where I was invisible). I have found before that sometimes, a toddler just needs to be given its pacifier – and that, if its attention is simultaneously drawn to the ridiculousness of its crying, it may stop, at least for awhile. I don’t really like spending in time this way, and I hope and expect to not do it very much in future threads.
What a dick. You’ve said twice now:
And then:
In my mind, you still haven’t provided any evidence of that. Plus, we know that in the LA area, it never got above about $3.41 in 2007. You’ll forgive me if I doubt there were any gas stations that “spiked past” $5 in LA.
Gee, I sure do miss Halliburton. Did Obambi wipe it off the map? Didn’t George Bush and his crony capitalism pals at Halliburton drive the oil prices way up at the direction of Darth Vader Cheney during the BDS years?
Could it be that Obambi has gone rogue and joined up with Halliburton?
It’s very simple.
Last time, Barack Obama screamed and whined and pissed himself that the President was solely responsible for gas prices and that he could lower them overnight, he just didn’t want to.
Now Barack Obama is screaming and whining and pissing himself that the President has no responsibility at all for gas prices and that there’s nothing he can do to lower them so he can’t be accountable.
Again. Scream. Whine. Piss. Pass the buck. Blame everyone else. Call everyone who criticizes you a racist.
People have recognized that Barack Obama is a pathological liar, and are voting accordingly.
NICE!!
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=115685
In 2007 I drove many times between SFO and SAN and at no time did I see gas at 5 dollars a gal or even near that.
Keep the lies coming.
So you actually drive the short bus? All this time I thought you were just a passenger.
I know it’s hard for you to see through your one inch thick coke bottle glasses, but, yeah, that’s me you see every time you board in the morning.
See, there it is. More personalization (this time on Bastiat Fan). Up next: Cinesnatch will deny that he said anything personal, then ask BF plaintively why BF is so mean to Cinesnatch. And maybe even post comment after comment about it, thus making the thread “about him”.
That’s assuming the classic Cinesnatch M.O. holds. Like a Heisenberg problem, now that it has been observed, there is always some chance it could shift to something different. But probably not something positive.
(continued) And yes, BF did it too. But… BF *won’t* post comment after comment asking Cinesnatch, why Cinesnatch is so mean. Because BF is a self-responsible adult. BF does not seek to make threads “about him”.
Bastiat Fan makes a joke, I make one back and ILC gets involved with something that has nothing to do with him and turns it into something else. (something other than making innocuous jabs at each other) From what I could tell, BF wasn’t being mean, but funny. But, they say humor is subjective …
Now as to content… Was there $5 gas in CA, in 2007?
Well, we know there was in the isolated town of Gorda – and again, THANK YOU Cinesnatch for being able to back up that one data point.
And Cinesnatch just posted another link, Yelp reviewing a Beverly Hills gas station, seeming to intend that link as evidence of $5 gas in 2007. Let’s take a look at what it says, shall we?
*Emphasis* added for clarity. There were more reviews at the link, but I did not see where they mentioned prices.
Now – Is there even a tiny shred of evidence, anywhere in there, that in 2007 in CA, gas prices hit $5 anywhere except the special case of Gorda, CA? Please carefully note the dates quoted above (the year of each quote).
Oh heck, I’ll answer my own question: No, there isn’t.
Yet amazingly, Cinesnatch thinks (as expressed at comment #31) that everybody else is lying… he is adrift in a sea of people telling lies. Poor thing!
Ah, the beginning of a new M.O.? Basically saying, ‘BF was only joking and I knew he was only joking and he knew I was only joking.’ Bastiat Fan – do you buy it?
(continued) I probably wouldn’t. Sounds like a lot of ad hoc rationalization and mind-reading, to me.
One more thing for the record: I conceded way back, that gas prices hit $5 in 2007 in rare isolated prices that nobody goes to, like Gorda, CA.
And I also conceded way back that in 2008 – when average gas prices peaked in CA, at $4.58 – then gas could have been over $5 in some more places, like the Beverly Hills gas station famous for overcharging, cited above. Yes, indeedy.
I hereby further concede that gas might possibly have been over $5 for ****full service**** in 2007 or 2008.
But, nothing of that will mean anything to Cinesnatch, who seems to have a cognitive block to registering what his opponents (real or imagined) have actually said, unless of course it helps him to feel persecuted (and so then to proceed with making the thread “about him”).
Wow, BF makes a joke. I return a joke. And then I return a joke. Are you saying BF wasn’t making a joke? Thats certainly how I read it. The quality of each joke is subjective, but if you didn’t like one of both, just say it and be done with it. Or, at least. Try to add to the humor.
Thanks for conceding. I do too.
But you didn’t see it, back when I did it. You were too busy feeling sorry for yourself.
And the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of people **did not** pay $5 or even see it when they went to the pump, in 2007. So that your saying:
was one of those special Cinesnatch “When I say something, I secretly attach my own meanings to the words despite their obvious implications to others, so that it won’t matter when others quite successfully disprove me”… another ugly part of your M.O.
The fact remains that gas only spiked past $5, in CA under Bush, for the handful of idiots dumb enough to pay it: people passing through Gorda, CA and short of gas; or people buying full service, say, at a Beverly Hills rip-off station. Most people never even saw signs that said $5 on them.
(continued) Or in other words: I was right to require a cite from you.
Chill out. I conceded. And I’m sorry I found BF’s joke funnier than yours. Humor is subjective. Are there any other of your assumptions i should apologize for?
And it’s a bit hard to discern when someone is joking after using personal insults. Not complaining about the insults, just explaining how it’s difficult to see someone kidding around with you after they established that they think you are vile.
I have a limited history with BF. so it came across as a joke. And if it wasn’t, that’s how I understood it. Would you have preferred that I had perceived it as an insult? Moving on…
And I drive through or near Beverly hills every day . ..
.. . Just for the record..
… But because I saw something with my own two eyes but can’t provide proof, I must concede. This is how the game is played. Next time, I will be more prepared and you won’t know what hit you. (hint: a short bus)
http://boyculture.typepad.com/boy_culture/2012/03/no-president-has-the-power-to-increase-or-to-lower-gas-pricesfox-news.html