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Can government make life fair for gay people? (Should it?)

Posted by Bruce Carroll at 9:09 pm - April 19, 2012.
Filed under: 2012 Presidential Election,Gay Politics

Twelve days ago, I posted the first, of what I expect to be, a series of pieces on gays, the GOP and the 2012 election (now a new category).  I return to that theme today, asking perhaps the question least considered by gay activists, but perhaps most important to the achievement of their (ostensible) goals:  can government make life fair, or even better, for people like us.

Last month, Glenn Reynolds linked John Stossel’s post on where the latter asked the broader question (about whether government can make life fair):

President Obama says he want to make society more fair. Advocates of big government believe fairness means taking from rich people and giving to others: poor people; or people who do things politicians approve of, like making “green” energy equipment (Solyndra); or old people (even rich ones) through Social Security and Medicare.

The idea that government can “make life fair” is intuitively appealing to people—at least until they think about it.

Once government gets into the business of making life fair, politicians and bureaucrats enter into the business of determining fairness.*  And they do that by taxing and regulation.  To create economic “fairness,” they take from some of the most productive people in society (er, the rich) and give to some of the least productive (er, less fortunate).  Now, to be sure, some of the least fortunate have indeed suffered some bad breaks in life while some of the most fortunate have gained their good fortune through, say, the luck of being in the right place at the right time or circumstance, being born into a productive family.

Sometimes, that is, things in life just aren’t fair, but once government starts adjudicating that it often penalizes the more fortunate members of society (many of whom, aware of their good fortune, have generously supported causes which help the less fortunate).

In the gay context, we ask, is it fair that some companies still discriminate against gay people?  No, it’s not.  But now to their credit, many (if not most) private companies have sought to redress that unfairness by adopting non-discrimination clauses in their employment policies or developing “diversity” policies to recruit gay and lesbian employees.

When government tries to redress a problem, it prevents such companies from developing their own solutions.

This piece of course only scrapes the surfaces of the issue, so I post it primarily with the intention of following Stossel’s lead and asking you to consider whether government can make life fair for gay people.  And pondering whether it should.

I don’t believe it’s the business of government to make life fair, but hold instead its purpose is to leave us free so each of us, in his private life and in the associations he freely forms and the organizations he freely joins, to redress the unfairness he finds in the world around him.  And to conduct his life as he sees fit.

*In the real world, individuals must implement our notions of the ideal.

FROM THE COMMENTS:  V the K gets it, asking,  “What does ‘fair’ mean anyway?”  As does Rattlesnake:

The government can make life more fair by getting out of the way. When, for example, it tries to make two people who might not be equal equal, it often ends up making the lesser person “more equal” than the other (i.e. it reverses the situation instead of making the two people equal). The government can best provide an equitable system by enforcing only laws that are necessary for ensuring the natural rights that everyone has are not infringed upon.

Often at odds with me, this time, Richard Bell echoes my thoughts and builds upon my premise:

Acceptance, can only be achieved at the individual level. There are some LGBT people that I can accept easily and some I will never accept. The same is true of hetero’s. Acceptance is born from the experiences of interaction of individuals over time. Without acceptance we are talking about affirmative action for LGBT people.



  1. You can keep telling yourself that I have no job, sweetheart.

    Nope. I said you were too lazy to work. That’s probably why you moan and cry about being a “slave” so much and demand that those of us who aren’t subsidize you.

    And keep trying to dehumanize people who do not get up and shout “tyranny” when they see a black man on TV telling them they should pay higher taxes.

    Comment by Another_Jeremy — April 24, 2012 @ 11:40 pm – April 24, 2012

    Nope. I dehumanize racists like yourself who scream about sending black men back to the fields, hanging them, and stringing them up.

    That’s the difference between us. I don’t believe in murdering or enslaving black people who disagree with me politically; you and your party do.

    And in Obama’s case, since he doesn’t believe in paying taxes already owed, he has no business demanding that anyone else pay more.

    And finally:

    I love your take on history though. What of the years when slavery WAS an efficient system?

    What of them?

    Like when did they happen, and so forth?

    Libbies like yourself invariably run off into the theoretical ether when faced with facts. Since you claim slavery was the more efficient system, prove it. I provided a concrete date and testable metrics; you do the same.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 25, 2012 @ 2:23 am - April 25, 2012

  2. But keep making up false indignations about how the poors are coming to take your piggy bank because they wanna get wasted and have orgies.

    Comment by Another_Jeremy — April 24, 2012 @ 11:40 pm – April 24, 2012

    Let’s see now.

    San Francisco has paid at least $150,000 for Kenny Walters in the past year. He isn’t employed, has an arrest record as long as his hair, and can often be found passed out in a doorway on Haight Street.

    Kenny Walters’ job is to get drunk.

    He’s certainly not alone. “Chronic inebriants” are a grim and disturbing fact of life in San Francisco. They also cost the city millions.

    And wait, there’s more:

    Stanley Thornton Jr., 30, is a self-described “adult baby,” who sleeps in a huge crib, drinks from a bottle, wears diapers, lives with a former nurse who acts as his “mom”… and subsists on Social Security disability benefits.

    And don’t forget the millions spent on tax-dodging and providing subsidized welfare housing for multimillionaire Obama Party leaders.

    Now, Another_Jeremy, please state for the record why MY work should be confiscated to pay for “the poor” to get drunk, play out their sexual and emotional fantasies, and live in opulence while dodging taxes.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 25, 2012 @ 2:31 am - April 25, 2012

  3. you wouldn’t think they’re all stupid.

    Nope, just you. You keep bobbing, weaving and spinning more than my Maytag. You’ve yet to answer any of my questions and you keep ASSerting that we’ve said things that we never did. Essentially, you’re so full of shit that magnesium citrate would be useless. There’s no point to you. You don’t even want to debate or discuss. You just want to run through your lying points and make up shit about what folks say. You’re useless, dishonest and lower than a snake’s ass in a wagon rut.

    Comment by TGC — April 25, 2012 @ 3:35 am - April 25, 2012

  4. And the absolute best evidence that liberals are full of impacted shit:

    When Trent Lott made his comment, you libs went apshit spicey gonzo. He got into trouble and lost his job essentially over nothing. Chris “Countrywide” Dodd said almost exactly the same thing about your Ku Klucker “Conscinece of the Senate” and not a DAMN one of you made a peep. Dodd kept his job.

    That’s what you call hypocrisy and double-standard. It’s also a prime example of how the racist bigot liberals roll. You ARE the party of the KKK. You own it and you live it. There’s no two ways around it no matter how much you spin, lie, project and bullshit your voters. You’re the f**king worst of the worst in this country and KEEP people bound in slavery on your plantation even to this day.

    Comment by TGC — April 25, 2012 @ 3:48 am - April 25, 2012

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