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Some gay Dems are just a little too eager to be loved by Obama

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All too many left-of-center gays have long had a crush on Barack Obama because of that (D) after his name.  And they’ve just been looking for a reason to justify their love.

And in the past twenty-four hours, our gay peers have been exulting all over Facebook how wonderful Obama is while the heads of various gay organizations call the moment historic.  “Where Were You When Obama Made History?” gushes the National Center for Lesbian Rights Kate Kendell:

Where were you when you first heard?

I was in front of Lincoln Center (I’m in New York City this week for a meeting with other LGBT civil rights attorneys from across the country) when NCLR Deputy Director Arcelia Hurtado screamed, “He did it!”

I turned around and said, “What?” To which she replied, “Obama came out in support of marriage!” We both screamed and hugged, teary eyed. The New Yorkers walking past us didn’t care. But we knew that this was a historic and indelible moment.

At the end of her e-mail and blog post, Kate helpfully includes a button encouraging people to Donate to her outfit. A couple years back, she used her 9/11 letter to rant against right-wingers.

History?  History?  All we get is a man making a statement.  And despite the office he holds, he is putting forward no actual policies that might effect real change.  These people are just so googly-eyed about empty words from a man who specializes in such rhetoric.  Guess that’s the way it is when your schoolgirl crush blows you a kiss.

Some folks just seem to need validation from the government.  And alas, sometimes it seems that’s what the gay marriage movement is all about.  (Yet, through the writings of Jonathan Rauch as well as from the experiences of myriad gay couples, we know it’s about more than just a piece of paper or an anodyne word from a pandering politician.)

Comments

  1. If Obama reluctantly coming to support gay marriage (but still doing nothing about it) is “historic”, then history was equally made before, when Dick Cheney took similar positions.

    Lesbians didn’t scream and cry back then. I wonder why not? Perhaps the real subtext here is that Democrats would normally expect their black (or mixed, in Obama’s case) and/or male officials to be homphobic.

  3. LGBT civil rights attorneys

    Really? That’s a thing?

    ILoveCapitalism, if that were true, they would also be joyous and surprised when a supposedly right-wing fascist (i.e. Dick Cheney) supports gay marriage.

    I think the real reason many of them didn’t celebrate Dick Cheney’s position is that a right-wing fascist like Dick Cheney supporting gay marriage disrupts the narrative. Or they just hate him, regardless of what he says.

  6. i celebrated dick cheney’s comments on freedom in marriage (and still do!). it’s a shame others let their partisan blinders get the best of them.

    similarly, i am elated by barack obama’s statements. and again, it’s a shame that many people here aren’t celebrating his position. aren’t there other things he can be criticized on genuinely, substantively?

    this urge to find faults, shortcomings, and deceptiveness, at every turn, in your political/ideological opponents, is what is preventing a gay movement that is truly or largely beholden to neither party…

  8. “History? History? All we get is a man making a statement… Guess that’s the way it is when your schoolgirl crush blows you a kiss.”

    This is needlessly insulting and willfully blind. Yes, we have a sitting president making a statement. What have you got? A candidate who cautiously says same-sex couples should have some rights but not others, without specifying what others. Ooo — such courage!

    It’s easy to see that Obama could have said and done much more. But what he has said and done? That’s historic — unprecedented in American history. To pretend otherwise is (to use a favorite social conservative term) perverse.

  9. Or to put it another way: Dan, if you can identify another sitting president who endorsed same-sex marriage in an election year — wait, scratch that — who endorsed in ANY year they were in office, then I’ll accept your rejection of this as historic.

    Otherwise, you’re not just on thin ice; you’re drowning in frozen water, gasping for air.

  11. Proposing entitlement reform in an election year… something critically important and extremely critical… that would be politically courageous. Announcing that you agree with the majority of your political base and big money donors… not so much.

    This is like when Hollywood gives itself awards for its “courage” in making pro-abortion or anti-war movies… as if any Hollywood liberal is going to have her career set back by being openly pro-abortion or anti-war.

  13. Some of you seem to view gays as a homogeneous voting bloc who vote based upon nothing but issues related to homosexuality.

    I’ll repeat part of a comment I made in another thread:

    Obama has been an incompetent and corrupt president, the worst in that regard since at least Jimmy Carter and possibly since before him.

    Let’s see, there is Solyndra and the other venture socialist “investments,” Fast & Furious, failed foreign policy, failed domestic policy (i.e. the economy), and his divisiveness. That is only to name a few things. Anything he did wrong in his announcement of support for gay marriage is not even close to being as bad as any of those other things.

    As others have said, this is just a “shiny toy” or a distraction from those other things; another in a long line of “shiny toys.” That is another reason why this announcement was politically expedient at this point.

    Obama’s announcement is entirely irrelevant, especially considering he hasn’t actually done anything (even when he had the opportunity before 2010). Again, it is a distraction and a way to get money for his campaign.

  14. Obama-gasms are quite noisy, messy and embarrassing for all who witness them. I have witnessed several in the last couple of days. Yuck!

    Nearly six months remain until the election? I may have to go into hibernation until it’s over. I must be getting old, because I don’t have the patience for this sort of long-running theater of the absurd anymore.

  16. Liberals are impressed by words and symbols. (“Hope and Change” for example). Whereas conservatives are impressed by actions and results. It’s one of the defining differences between our two philosophies.

  17. That’s the problem with one or two issue voters. If you’re gay, only look at “gay issues”. Don’t think about imperative concerns like budget deficits, tax reform, the sluggish economy. Yes, gay marriage is tantamount for homosexual Americans. How shallow can you be? This is comparable to hispanics that look primarily at immigration, or blacks who deem civil rights and welfare the only concern of theirs.

  18. Yes, Obama is all talk, no action.
    Let’s look at the republicans. Today, they introduced a clause in the defense bill that will prohibit members of the armed forces to marry and continue serving our country.
    This is a concrete example of conviction. This is what gay patriots are talking about. Not that silly symbolic gestures of the president acknowledging us, gays.
    I don’t get you people! And I have a Masters.

  20. As Mitt would say,
    Atta girls,
    Here is another reason to vote the Kenian out of office

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    The Democrats’ top leader in Congress said Thursday that the party’s platform will soon include a plank calling for the legalization of gay marriage.

    “The president’s in favor of it — I’m sure it will be [included],” said Reid.

  24. The gay left doesn’t seem to notice they are being played like a fiddle. Even when I point it out to some of them, they don’t care.

    As worshippers of the State, they need its Leader to validate their lives. They feel orgasmic joy (weeping and crying) when He does.

    Weird.

  29. Any body else found it rather ironic that Obama is doing the exact same thing George Bush did in 2004? Running on same-sex marriage to get money and votes and distract us from what we should be focusing on.

  30. @MV,

    While I don’t feel the 2004 elections were about SSM, I do agree it’s funny to see Obama pandering. It’s sad that people are falling for it.

  31. “12.The gay left doesn’t seem to notice they are being played like a fiddle.”

    The thing is they want the endorsement. It means validation. Its another person who declared they want it. It’s sort of a religious experience.

    In politics, its a minor victory. It’s like we know Bush is a Christian, but he didn’t do anything about abortion. Then Bush is gone and replaced with Obama. Obama will be replaced by Romney and things remain where they were.

  32. VP Cheney gave a much more impressive statement. He said Gay marriage is a right, each state will decide if they want to give this right or not.
    Obama just came out with the usual liberal feel good talk – I feel, that gays should be allowed to marry – make sure it’s all about him – me,me,me. But that is enough for the left and they go apeshit, meanwhile I haven’t seen any change in the law regarding gay spouses of federal employees.

  33. Let’s look at the republicans. Today, they introduced a clause in the defense bill that will prohibit members of the armed forces to marry and continue serving our country.

    Comment by George insane — May 11, 2012 @ 12:19 am – May 11, 2012

    Wrong

    The House Armed Services Committee voted Wednesday to protect service members, especially chaplains, from persecution for opposing the presence of gays in the military.

    Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., said the amendment to the 2013 defense authorization bill protects religious freedom of military chaplains and the conscience and moral principals of service members who are opposed to homosexuality but feel pressured since the 2011 repeal of the military’s gay ban to hide their beliefs out of fear of recrimination.

    It passed by a 36-25 vote…..

    On a 37-24 vote, the committee also passed a second amendment prohibiting same-sex marriages or a “marriage-like ceremony” that involves a same-sex couples from being held at any military installation or on any property owned, rented or under the control of the Defense Department.

    So you just flat-out lied, George.

    But again, that’s no surprise. You’re just a talking-points repeater saying the things Barack Obama tells you to say. You can’t think beyond what Barack Obama orders you to think, nor can you actually do your own research.

    Obama is a liar. And you are a fool for repeating his lies. But that’s all we’re going to get from you and your fellow Ministry of Propaganda, Lavender Division hacks for the next six months — lots of lies, and then when you get cornered, more screaming of “Sieg Heil! Seig Heil! Obama uber alles!”

  35. Someone on here reminds me of someone you’d find in the Hitler-Jugend, based on the way s/he communicates. Yet, my understanding is if you met that someone, s/he wouldn’t fit anywhere near that description.

  36. Better yet TLW, google “Grey’s Anatomy” and “ratings” and educate yourself that the once extremely popular show only has half the audience it used to. And then google “relevancy.”

  40. “I don’t get you people! And I have a Masters.”

    The way I read the comment was: I have gone to school for all this time and should be intelligent enough to understand what is going on here and I don’t. WTF. This isn’t rocket science. Give me my money back.

    Or, something like that.

  41. That’s funny. I’ve never threatened anyone’s family or blackmailed an elected official. But, then, I don’t make sh!t up about people either. And to understand the mind of someone who does would require a wealth of knowledge and experience I’d imagine a Master’s couldn’t provide.

  42. That’s funny. I’ve never threatened anyone’s family or blackmailed an elected official.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:47 pm – May 11, 2012

    Wrong. Very wrong.

    Of course, I can see why you wouldn’t want that out there publicly, Cinesnatch; it’s quite a betrayal of trust on your part, and it shows how you exploit other people to your own ends.

  47. I mean no disrespect to anyone, but I feel something like pity or sadness towards the two gushing lesbians mentioned at the top of the article.

    Are people’s lives so doggedly serious and enmeshed with mainstream acceptance that an announcement from a career politician who has waffled on the issue since as far back as 1996 brings tears to their eyes?

  49. Rattlesnake @19: What George Insane is indulging in, and he should know this being an educated genius with a Masters, is a logical fallacy called the “argument from authority.” It’s a favorite among our progressive betters.

  50. My apologies. I should have followed the George Insane thread further down. He was not doing the “argument from authority,” and does appear to have been engaging in self-deprecating humor.

  51. I am glad that every one is happy about Obama’s statement, even tho he is on record as far back as 1996 waffling on the issue.

    Here is how Romney should respond: “I support (or don’t support) the right for gays to marry each other, but I agree with Obama it is state issue.”

    Situation diffused. Ball back into Obama’s court.

    What does he do? He starts pandering to the far right.

    I have no confidence in Romney’s ability to navigate campaign waters without emerging looking like a petty and befuddle fool. There is so much to throw back at Obama.

  54. *sigh*

    I’d like to apologize to my fellow posters. I got sucked into making the thread about Vince like he loves. I should have realized his inability to read would be a halmark.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

  55. If anyone thinks this announcement is genuine is brain dead. If this is not a cynical ploy to cover for his rampant incompentency, I don’t know what is. Shame on the LBGT community for falling this first class fool!!

  56. TLW, Actually, it’s about VTK’s assertion that Hollywood rewards itself for making pro-abortion movies like it’s a rampant, current occurrence. But, you turned it into something else that regarded a TV show that has half the audience it used to, that got nominated for one Emmy last year for best special guest star, rather than combat the pro-life example of Juno that made hundreds of millions of dollars and won an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay four years ago.

    *Hush, Levi, I hear an adult from the Peanuts cartoon talking*

  57. Cinesnstch: We are getting closer to the day when sexual orientation is not that much of a campaign issue. Not quite there yet. It will happen.

  58. I don’t get you people! And I have a Masters.

    It’s bragging in a backhanded way. Furthermore, I could claim to have a masters degree here, but that wouldn’t necessarily mean I have one. There was really no point to that remark, other than to say “I have a masters! Look how smart I am! You people are stupid, because you don’t make sense to a smart person like myself!” It has no basis in anything, unless Mr. Insane can somehow prove he actually has a Masters degree.

    Furthermore, North Dallas Thirty refuted Mr. Insane’s comment in comment #33, so his whole comment is moot anyway (as is the basis for his “reasoning”).

  61. Rattlesnake, you’ve taken somebody’s words that apparently are open to interpretation and assert your take on them as fact. Anyone can do that on the internet, as well. It certainly doesn’t render one’s opinion factual. Like I said, I interpreted those words to mean a certain thing without claiming whether or not it was his intent. But, in the case you have free access to his brain, I’ll defer to you.

  62. Cinesnatch, the conclusion I drew is the only one that makes sense to me. Your explanation didn’t satisfy me. Yes, my comment is my opinion and I apologize for stating it as an assertion. Obviously, I have no way of knowing what Mr. Insane’s intent was. My conclusion is drawn entirely from what he said.

  63. *Hush, Levi, I hear an adult from the Peanuts cartoon talking*

    I don’t know what’s funnier. That Vince can’t come up with an original thought, or that he admits he doesn’t understand what adults are saying.

  64. TLW, Obviously, you have never seen and/understood the Peanuts.

    And, I have plenty of original thoughts. But, your favorite tagline was in need of a little tweaking.

    To borrow another commonly used ILC phrase, FIFY.

  70. (Since you claim me as your authority/example here, yes you submit yourself to MY judgment as to whether and when you’re doing it right.)

  73. In, “Greenberg … the abortion is downplayed in the movie … Hollywood has chosen to play it safe and keep abortion invisible … In recent films and TV shows about unplanned pregnancy, the heroine almost invariably decides to have the baby. In a much-debated episode of the racy HBO series, Sex and the City, a pregnant Miranda … decided against abortion at the very last minute—the same second thoughts have occurred on … Dawson’s Creek … Beverly Hills, 90210. In … Knocked Up, an ambitious career woman with a demanding job gets pregnant as a result of a drunken one-night stand. Amazingly, she never considers an abortion … abortion has disappeared from American movies over the last two decades …It’s encouraging that in cautious times, a few filmmakers are again willing to confront this highly charged theme and take the flak that comes their way.”

    The article you linked to says it all.

    I saw the movie when it came out … in the Spring of 2010. It made peanuts at the box-office. And, it wasn’t very good. In fact, it was a chore to sit through. And I don’t remember the abortion storyline, which maybe because I was too busy tuning on Ben Stiller’s self-absorbed character. The only saving grace is that it introduced us to actress Greta Gerwig. Watch for her. She’s going to be huge.

    Juno, et al, are representations of the trend that has happened in films and TV–shying away from women electing for abortion.

  75. Vince has admitted he cannot understand adults.

    Indeed. He seems to live in a delusional world where Hollywood makes nothing but patriotic, family-friendly, pro-life films. ‘Lions for Lambs,’ ‘Redacted,’ ‘Valley of Elah,’ ‘W,’ ‘Frost/Nixon,’ ‘Kinsey,’ ‘Syriana,’ ‘Stop-Loss…” None of these movies ever happened.

    ‘Juno,’ FWIW, was an independent film produced outside the Hollywood system.

  76. It’s sort of interesting that Hollywood hasn’t made a hagiographic biopic about Margaret Sanger, but maybe it’s not as easy to gloss over her racist views and support for eugenics as it was to gloss over Che Guevara’s psychopathic mass-murderer, when Hollywood made that fawning biopic ‘The Motorcycle Diaries.’

    In the real world, Hollywood has been proudly pro-abortion ever since Bea Arthur’s ‘Maude’ got hers back in the 70’s.

  77. BTW, check out John Irving’s smug, self-congratulatory acceptance speech for the Oscar he won for ‘Cider House Rules.’

    I want to thank the Academy for this honor to a film on the abortion subject and Miramax for having the courage to make this movie in the first place. But especially my wife Janet, my children, Colin, Everett and Brendan — thank you, Brendan, for coming all this way. My best friend, David Colicchio*. The producer, Richard Gladstein. The director, Lasse Hallström, with whom I would work again in a second. And everyone at Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Rights League.

    Like I said, only on the left is courage defined in terms of agreeing with what everyone around you is saying.

  80. The article is from October, it’s now May and it’s not in pre-production yet. Nice.

    And, I believe the subject was movies.

    Let’s steer back to where the conversation was …

    “This is like when Hollywood gives itself awards for its “courage” in making pro-abortion … movies …?

    “Please cite examples. I haven’t seen a pro-abortion film lately.”

    You cited an example, VTK: The Cider House Rules, a movie that was produced fourteen years ago, like it’s somehow now relevant, while ignoring the fact that Hollywood hasn’t awarded itself for making a pro-abortion movie since. Quite the contrary, we’re living in a time where such things have become somewhat taboo again.

    You won’t be satisfied unless the FRC manages to lift a multi-million dollar production of the Norma McCorvey 2012 off the ground. And, if it did, you’d find some technicality to wipe the egg off your face.

    By the way, VTK, you b!tch and moan about Hollywood’s lack of support for pro-life movies. Did you spend your money and support October Baby when it hits theaters in March? Didn’t think so.

  81. As for movies that couldn’t be made in Hollywood, here’s some we’ll never see.

    – A movie about an honest businessman fighting to save his company and the jobs of his employees from overzealous EPA regulators.

    – A movie about a black civil rights activist who uses race-hustling and intimidation to shake down businesses and gain political power; all the while being fawned over by a liberal media establishment.

    – A patriotic docudrama about the heroic performance of US Marines in the battle of Fallujah,

    – A movie about an abortion clinic whose workers lie to authorities to protect the identities of rapists.

  83. My comment was that Hollywood (like Obama) congratulates itself for ‘courage’ for repeating the consensus opinions of its peers. A person capable of adult conversation would have understood that.

  86. – A movie about an honest businessman fighting to save his company and the jobs of his employees from overzealous EPA regulators.

    It came out last year, to some very positive reviews about its look (gorgeous) and acting (lead performances considered outstanding, overcoming the wonky dialogue and subject matter) but… you guessed it… it was an indie production, and the Hollywood socialist establishment went all-out to knife it by spreading bad reviews, discouraging distribution, etc.

    Fortunately, Part 2 is being made as we speak.

  87. and the Hollywood socialist establishment went all-out to knife it by spreading bad reviews, discouraging distribution, etc.

    Yeah … the HSE really put a knife into The Passion of the Christ, also, made for roughly the same budget ($20 – $30M).

    Are the positive reviews you’re speaking of ILC, the five people on Rotten Tomatoes? Which include the Rupert Murdoch lap-dog Kyle Smith?

  88. Again, ILC, that movie you refer to was … like Juno… an independent production made outside the Hollywood system.

    However Hollywood reacted to Ben Hur 50+ years ago is irrelevant to the arrogance and self-congratulation that permeates contemporary Hollywood. The desperation in throwing up something so irrelevant reeks.

  90. PotC was a movie about an honest businessman fighting to save his company and the jobs of his employees from overzealous EPA regulators? I never knew.