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Grenell says social conservatives didn’t force him out;
he received hateful, mean-spirited comments from the left

Shortly after we learned that Richard Grenell decided to step down at Mitt Romney’s foreign policy/national security spokesman, I tried to reach the former aide to John Bolton to ask him a simple question:  whether or not, he, like most gay conservatives, received more grief from the gay left than from social conservatives.

Well, my blogger friends may or may not have passed my messages on to Mr. Grenell.  But, I may finally be getting an answer — or a close approximation of one.  Our reader Leah alerted me to blogger William A. Jacobson’s post where that law professor excerpted an article from Palm Springs’s Desert Sun reporting the gay Republican “took heat from both the political left and the right“:

In an interview with The Desert Sun, Grenell said: “The far left doesn’t want a gay person to be conservative and the far right doesn’t want a conservative to be gay. Some of the most hateful, mean-spirited intolerant comments about me being the foreign policy and national security spokesman for Governor Romney … were coming from the left.

But it was the far right that gloated louder than the far left after Grenell’s resignation. Leading the charge was the conservative American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer, who called Grenell’s resignation a “huge win for us.”

Grenell denies he was forced out by social conservatives, noting that he’s been an openly-gay Republican spokesman for decades.

Emphasis added.  He insisted that he resigned because he didn’t believe that he should be the story:  “When the messenger becomes part of the message — if you really care about these issues — you should step aside.”

So, folks on the left offered some of the most hateful, mean-spirited intolerant comments about him being the foreign policy and national security spokesman for Governor Romney . . . . Hmmm. . . . Does parallel the experience of us here at GayPatriot — and the reports we have received from our readers.

Wonder when the legacy media will get around to cover that particular aspect of the Grenell matter — or the general story about left-wing intolerance toward “uppity” conservative minorities — and if they’re going to ask the “first gay president”, to borrow and paraphrase an expression, to differentiate himself from such hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric.

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  1. Dan, so the media didn’t mention the nasty stuff from the left. What then was the story that Grenell was alluding to? IMO, he was essentially forced out by social conservatives. Even if that is not correct, you still have one that is taking credit for it.

    In any case, shame on all those on the left and the right for the hateful rhetoric.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 9:00 am - May 30, 2012

  2. Grenell makes clear that criticism from the Christian Right didn’t really undermine his effectiveness as a foreign policy spokesman, but criticism from the Gay Left did. Possibly the difference could be explained by the Gay Left’s vastly better media placements. In other words: at this point, the Gay Left may be more powerful than the Christian Right.

    The fact that the one who is out there hot-dogging and claiming a win, happens to be from the Christian Right, doesn’t mean much. There is an idiot in every bunch. It was the Gay Left’s win. (And perhaps it was partly Grenell’s win, because at least he got out of the bad situation they were preparing for him.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 30, 2012 @ 10:39 am - May 30, 2012

  3. If that’s really the case, ILC, then Romney lost the election. I’m sure the Romney campaign is going to get plenty more criticism from the left. Letting the left dictate their campaign is not going to be a winning strategy. Perhaps this is a one time thing, and the Romney campaign will tell any of the individuals with hateful rhetoric where they can stick it. If this was a gay left win, then it’s because it was handed to them.

    You’re may be right about Fischer though. One idiot claiming victory does not a victory make. But I’m still convinced he and his thugs were more instrumental in Grenell’s resignation, then the thugs from the left.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 10:57 am - May 30, 2012

  4. Letting the left dictate their campaign is not going to be a winning strategy.

    That’s 100% true as a larger point… but I question the relevance here, where the issue for Grenell was specifically his own effectiveness as a spokesman. As he has said, the candidate’s views are supposed to be “the story”; when the spokesman becomes (or is made into) “the story”, it’s time for the spokesman to go.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 30, 2012 @ 11:19 am - May 30, 2012

  5. The idiot in the bunch. . .
    Bryan Fischer: Re: Richard Grenell: Romney has some ‘splaining to do
    Monday, April 23, 2012 10:25 AM
    By Bryan Fischer
    http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147520359

    By the way, Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, its supposedly “conservative” columnist, attacked me this morning in her post. Is this an indication that the homosexual agenda has become a de facto part of the dogma of ruling class Republicans? Somebody from the GOP needs to clarify ASAP.

    Romney needs to make the following public commitments, and the sooner the better, if he is to have any hope of generating even modest enthusiasm in the base. And he needs to remember that he cannot win without the base. If he’s going to pander, he’d better start pandering in a big, fat hurry.

    1. Publicly support the North Carolina marriage amendment. He needs to go to North Carolina and publicly declare his support for its marriage amendment, which will be on the ballot May 8. He must not hide behind the skirts of the 10th Amendment, as he has sought to do on RomneyCare. We must hear him say, loudly and clearly, “I support natural marriage as the union of one man and one woman, and I urge North Carolina voters to vote for man-woman marriage on May 8.”

    2. Commit to a vigorous defense and implementation of DOMA. Then in his Liberty University address on May 12, he must publicly declare that he will aggressively defend the Defense of Marriage Act in court. “I hold the institution of marriage in the highest regard, and will faithfully discharge my duty as your president to uphold and defend the laws of the United States. My administration will pursue the most vigorous defense of DOMA possible, and it will be faithfully implemented on my watch.”

    3. Revoke federal spousal benefits for domestic partners of homosexuals.Then, also in his commencement address, he must publicly declare that he will revoke President Obama’s illegal decision to grant spousal benefits to gay partners of federal employees, which is flatly prohibited by DOMA. He needs to tell the good folk at Liberty, “I believe in natural marriage, and I believe in following the law. I will honor the institution of natural marriage in all my public policy decisions, and so on my first day in office, I will issue an order reserving federal spousal benefits exclusively for husbands and wives in natural marriages.” And he needs to make it clear that this includes Richard Grenell as well.

    4. Support reinstatement of the ban on homosexual conduct in the military. He must declare a change of position on homosexuality in the military, and openly support the reinstatement of the ban on homosexual conduct in the armed forces. He must say, “As commander-in-chief, I publicly support reinstatement of the ban on homosexuality in our military. We must make unit cohesion, military recruitment, and military readiness our highest priorities. We cannot allow the introduction of sexual tension into the ranks to detract from our mission of protecting and defending the people of the United States. The armed forces should not be used as a laboratory for social engineering, and that will not happen on my watch.”

    5. Support right of chaplains to teach biblical view of homosexuality. He must also declare that, as commander-in-chief, he will support the right of military chaplains to openly criticize the normalization of homosexual behavior. “As your commander-in-chief, I will respect freedom of religion, speech and conscience for all our military chaplains. They will have the freedom under my leadership to teach a biblical view of marriage and sexuality without any fear of punishment.”

    6. Publicly pledge to veto ENDA. He must declare that he opposes the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and will veto it if it reaches his desk. ENDA will provide special employment protections for those who engage in unnatural sexual behaviors and will subject every values-driven employer who makes unnatural sexual conduct an issue in personnel decisions to a potentially crippling lawsuit. “As president, I will protect the constitutional rights of every employer in America to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of association. I will see to it that my administration vigorously defends the right of every values-driven employer to hire employees who reflect his values and the values of his company.”

    These clear and unambiguous statements might not assuage all the concerns in the pro-family community, but they certainly are a place to start.

    But if Gov. Romney won’t say these things, he will simply validate the perception among social conservatives that he will not be friend to our values in the White House. And that will be bad if not fatal for his electoral chances.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 12:31 pm - May 30, 2012

  6. Well as long as the spokesman is Republican, openly gay & supports same-sex marriage the spokesman will become “the story” for the far right & social conservatives like Bryan Fischer, Tony Perkins, etc etc.

    The far right & social conservatives will “look the other way” when it comes to candidates who are gay Republicans like Richard Tisei, Brad Torgan, etc. because they are running for office in states like Massachusetts or very liberal districts in California where Democrats are expected to win anyway.

    Mary Bono Mack is a Republican with socially moderate views but she represents a district with a high percentage of gays & whose voters are increasingly voting for Democrats.

    When it comes to running for national office OR running for office in a district or state that is solidly Republican, the far right & social conservatives will not tolerate an openly gay man in office who supports same-sex marriage, which Richard Grenell is & what he did.

    If Richard Grenell was a closeted gay man like Ken Mehlman who orchestrated gay marriage amendments on state ballots to “get out the vote”, the social conservatives & the far right would have loved him.

    Comment by James — May 30, 2012 @ 12:33 pm - May 30, 2012

  7. Also, from what I have gleaned from the stories following Fischer’s declaration, Grenell was a great choice to support Romney.

    But there has been little mention of the tweets that Grenell scrubbed.

    He supposedly got blasted by the mean Lefty’s for his attack on Maddow,

    but there were even more damaging tweets scrubbed when it was revealed that he went after Gingrich and his spouse(s).

    Grenell is now setting home in Palm Springs working on a remodel, spending time assisting Bono Mack and lying low.

    It would not be in his best interest to poke another stick into eye of the Stygian Witches of Socons for he does have to think about future endeavors.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 12:41 pm - May 30, 2012

  8. Before then, Grenell had been an acerbic observer on Twitter of a wide range of political figures and topics.

    Besides the first lady, Democrats who were targets of Grenell’s more pointed tweets included President Barack Obama, the Obamas’ daughter Malia, Vice President Joe Biden and various members of the media, many connected to NBC or its liberal-leaning cable affiliate, MSNBC.

    But many of Grenell’s most biting Twitter messages were directed at fellow Republicans.

    According to an account posted on a Politico blog the day after Grenell joined Romney’s campaign, he was a particularly sarcastic tweeter during some of the televised debates for Republican presidential candidates earlier this year. Grenell targeted Gingrich and his third wife, Callista, over their appearance and Newt Gingrich’s turbulent marital history.

    Of Callista Gingrich’s blonde hair, Grenell tweeted on March 13: “do you think callista’s hair snaps on.” According to Politico, Grenell earlier had tweeted: “does callista speak?”

    Among Grenell’s tweets about Newt Gingrich, a former U.S. House speaker, was this missive in January: “what’s higher? The number of jobs newt’s created or the number of wives he’s had?”

    And in an apparent reference to Gingrich’s weight, Grenell mused in January: “i wonder if newt has investments in Lipitor,” referring to a cholestoral-lowering drug.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/us-usa-campaign-romney-spokesman-idUSBRE83M1J320120424

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 12:43 pm - May 30, 2012

  9. @ Rusty,

    Bryan Fischer’s comments are scary and unfortunately predicative what we have to look forward to in the Romney administration. Forget about ENDA and repealing DOMA. Gays will be court martialed out of the military.

    Sadly, social conservatives like Fischer have a lot of clout in the Republican party. If they have it their way, homosexuality will be re-criminalized. If you’re in the closet, stay in. If you’re already out of the closet, you’re screwed…

    But hey we saved some money on taxes (yay!), we’ll go find a new country to start a another war on terrorism, and North Dallas Thirty might finally be happy……

    Comment by James — May 30, 2012 @ 12:45 pm - May 30, 2012

  10. Grenell denies he was forced out by social conservatives, noting that he’s been an openly-gay Republican spokesman for decades.

    When it comes to running for national office OR running for office in a district or state that is solidly Republican, the far right & social conservatives will not tolerate an openly gay man in office who supports same-sex marriage, which Richard Grenell is & what he did.

    James, take a moment to meet the facts. They really aren’t scary, and they won’t touch you inapropriately.

    Also, thank you Rusty for showing just how influencial Fisher truly is to the Republicans.

    Comment by The_Livewire — May 30, 2012 @ 12:48 pm - May 30, 2012

  11. Grenell tweeted on March 13: “do you think callista’s hair snaps on.”

    Heh.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 30, 2012 @ 1:11 pm - May 30, 2012

  12. thank you Rusty for showing just how influencial Fisher truly
    is to the SOCON Republicans.

    Smooches

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 1:17 pm - May 30, 2012

  13. That’s 100% true as a larger point… but I question the relevance here, where the issue for Grenell was specifically his own effectiveness as a spokesman. As he has said, the candidate’s views are supposed to be “the story”; when the spokesman becomes (or is made into) “the story”, it’s time for the spokesman to go.

    ILC, it may not be relevant. It’s hard to say. Grenell said he resigned because he didn’t want to be part of “the story,” as you said. But what was “the story”? The main story was that Fischer was very critical of having an openly gay man who supported SSM be a major player on Romney’s team. There was also a story about tweets. As far as I know, there was no story that he was receiving nasty rhetoric from the gay left. This is something that Grenell volunteered. Maybe he didn’t resign because of pressure from Fischer and/or other socons. But the reason that Grenell gives is not consistent, in my view.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 1:18 pm - May 30, 2012

  14. Rubin just came out with . . .Grenell quipped

    The claim that gays should be barred from conservative activism is not only bigoted but is a bipartisan view. The intolerant assault comes from the far right, who object to Republicans who are gay, and the far left, who object to gays being Republicans. When the extremists on both sides are the only ones speaking up, the majority suffers.”

    but Rubin pointed out this Grenell tweet about ‘the shiny object’ meme
    “How many ‘reporters’ do you think realize they are falling for the Obama campaigns’ distractions?”

    and Rubin poses this about the future of Grenell. . .
    The Romney team lost a fine spokesman when Grenell quit, but Grenell might cause more trouble off the campaign than on it. At least now he can call out the media for its endemic bias.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 1:25 pm - May 30, 2012

  15. I think you may be working a bit too hard to ignore the social conservatives on this one. That said, it’s hard not to believe that savagery toward gay people who dare to be Republican isn’t also part of it.

    Comment by Dean Esmay — May 30, 2012 @ 1:43 pm - May 30, 2012

  16. ILC and Livewire, you are wasting your time with the bigots.
    Look at this statement:

    3.If that’s really the case, ILC, then Romney lost the election. I’m sure the Romney campaign is going to get plenty more criticism from the left. Letting the left dictate their campaign is not going to be a winning strategy. Perhaps this is a one time thing, and the Romney campaign will tell any of the individuals with hateful rhetoric where they can stick it. If this was a gay left win, then it’s because it was handed to them.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 10:57 am – May 30, 2012

    And then he calls Grenell a liar.

    But the reason that Grenell gives is not consistent, in my view.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 1:18 pm – May 30, 2012

    Don’t you get it? Bigot Pat is interested in one thing and one thing only, and that is attacking/blaming Romney and the “religious right”. Even when confronted with leftist bigotry and attacks on Grenell, his response is to blame Romney for allegedly responding to them.

    Why? It’s the narrative, as Pat’s fellow bigot James makes clear:

    9.@ Rusty,

    Bryan Fischer’s comments are scary and unfortunately predicative what we have to look forward to in the Romney administration. Forget about ENDA and repealing DOMA. Gays will be court martialed out of the military.

    Sadly, social conservatives like Fischer have a lot of clout in the Republican party. If they have it their way, homosexuality will be re-criminalized. If you’re in the closet, stay in. If you’re already out of the closet, you’re screwed…

    But hey we saved some money on taxes (yay!), we’ll go find a new country to start a another war on terrorism, and North Dallas Thirty might finally be happy……

    Comment by James — May 30, 2012 @ 12:45 pm – May 30, 2012

    These are LIES. Pat, James, and rusty are LIARS. They are disgusting, hateful bigots who will say and do anything to hurt Republicans and conservatives.

    This is being made abundantly clear to us. Pat, rusty, and their bigot friend James are saying that if you vote for Romney, you support criminalizing homosexuality. They are screaming on their bigot sites like JoeMyGod that gays and lesbians who dare vote Republican are traitors, comparing them to Jewish Nazis and people like Vidkun Quisling who handed their countrymen over to the Nazis to be killed. They are saying that gays who vote Republican are handing over their fellow gays to be murdered for money. They are saying that all you’re doing is looking for excuses to invade and attack other countries.

    Pat and rusty are desperately trying to spin and blame anyone, ANYONE, but his fellow Obama-supporting gays for their attacks on Grenell. They do not care about the lies that James and his fellow bigots spread about Republicans. They do not care about the Nazi comparisons that their bigot leaders like Joe Jervis, Signorile, and Dan Savage are making. They do not care that James says you are selling people for money, or that James says you are only looking to kill people.

    They. Do. Not. Care. They are not affected by decency. They have no interest in “civility”. They are not listening to rational arguments. They are bigots who are desperately trying to justify their bigotry and hate, even to the point of comparing you to notorious traitors and Nazis, saying you want to sell peoples’ lives for money, and insisting that you are bloodthirsty killers who want to invade other countries for kicks.

    Have you seen rusty repudiate this from James, even as he screams and demands you repudiate everyone else?

    Have you seen Pat repudiate this from James, even as he rants and screams about people lying?

    Do not play their game. Call them bigots. Call them hatemongering bigots. Do not feel guilty about calling them what they have clearly demonstrated themselves to be.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 2:26 pm - May 30, 2012

  17. NDT, I will say this. You make Joe Jervis and Dan Savage look tame with your interesting rhetoric. It goes without saying, that once again, your assumptions about me are not based on reality. Have yourself a blessed day.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 2:34 pm - May 30, 2012

  18. NDT, I will say this. You make Joe Jervis and Dan Savage look tame with your interesting rhetoric.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 2:34 pm – May 30, 2012

    Oh really, Pat?

    Where have I ever stated that all liberals are Nazis, like Joe Jervis says about Republicans?

    Where have I ever stated that all Obama Party supporters should be dead or dragged behind pickup trucks like Dan Savage?

    And since you’re on a “civility” kick using the fact that I’ve been banned from blogs like Evan Hurst’s Truth Wins Out and Rob Tisinai’s Waking Up Now, why not look at what they consider “civil” for posting?

    Dan Blatt is a loathsome piece of sh*t who will sell out other gay people in order to curry the favor of straight Republicans who pat him on the head every now but then call him a c*ck-sucking heels-in-the-air fudge-packed girlie-boy behind his back (even though only the girlie-boy part is actually true). Dan says all this stuff because the probability that any gay man would ever give enough of a sh!t about Dan to visit him in a hospital, much less to have a relationship with him, is remote — as remote as the possibility that Dan will ever have sex with anyone other than a blind leper in a darkened truck stop in rural Alabama, and even then the leper will have to down a fifth of Jack Daniel’s before he can bring himself to do it. F*ck you, Dan, you wretched, illiterate prick.

    Your attempt to even make that comparison shows what a blind, idiotic bigot you are, especially with your buddy James here saying that Republicans want to court-martial all gays, that Republicans want to criminalize, imprison, and execute all gays, and that gays who are conservative or Republican are handing over people to be killed for money and are bloodthirsty fools looking for excuses to invade other countries — and you not lifting a finger.

    I understand your game. You exploit people who actually have decency and a conscience and who might be concerned about what they’re saying, while letting the destructive hateful bigots like rusty, James, Jervis, and Savage run free. Clearly it’s not hateful words or bigotry that bothers you.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 2:55 pm - May 30, 2012

  19. And I just want to emphasize this once more.

    REALLY?

    You think I’m uncivil, Pat, when you can SEE Joe Jervis calling people Nazis and quislings and kapos and traitors, and when you can SEE Dan Savage calling for Republicans to be murdered and dragged behind pickup trucks, and when you can SEE Evan Hurst and Wayne Besen posting these hideous things about Dan, and when you can SEE your own buddies James and rusty in this very thread saying that Republicans want to imprison and murder gays, that gays who vote Republican are traitors who are handing people over to be killed for money, and that Republicans all are warmongers who just look for excuses to invade countries?

    You have ZERO moral standing here. None. The sh*t that you openly tolerate without a word from your Obama Party and your fellow liberal gays destroys ANY credibility you have to lecture me on civility. You are a sick, foul, disgusting bigot and COWARD who, rather than standing up against his fellow left-wing bigots, attacks and tries to exploit people on the right who have a sense of decency and blame THEM for the hideous behavior of your fellow Obama supporters.

    Surreal.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:05 pm - May 30, 2012

  20. Wait. A Republican campaign adviser had to resign because Democrats were being mean to him?

    Maybe, before you posted this, you should’ve let that sink in just a little bit deeper. Democrats are also being mean to Romney — will he be “forced” to quit as well?

    The bottom line is that the GOP is the home of hate. Romney didn’t hate gays nearly enough for social conservatives during his time as governor, so he needs to prove his born-again bigot bona fides. It’s astonishingly clear and anyone who doesn’t see it doesn’t WANT to see it.

    Comment by Wisco — May 30, 2012 @ 3:09 pm - May 30, 2012

  21. Oh really, Pat?

    Yep. Your rhetoric approaches, and even supersedes the type of filth that you have spewed against me and others on this blog. Reread the garbage your posted about me in your previous two posts as an example. And in your last post, you have made assumptions about me not based on reality. Hope you have a blessed evening.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 3:10 pm - May 30, 2012

  22. Oh Miss Rita Beads . . . you so pretty NDT when you’re panties get all twisted

    Bet Miss Rita Beads prances about the gym

    singing

    I feel pretty,
    Oh, so pretty,
    I feel pretty and witty and bright!
    And I pity
    Any girl who isn’t me tonight.

    I feel charming,
    Oh, so charming
    It’s alarming how charming I feel!
    And so pretty
    That I hardly can believe I’m real.

    See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
    Who can that attractive girl be?
    Such a pretty face,
    Such a pretty dress,
    Such a pretty smile,
    Such a pretty me!

    I feel stunning
    And entrancing,
    Feel like running and dancing for joy,
    For I’m loved
    By a pretty wonderful boy!

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:15 pm - May 30, 2012

  23. but seriously NDT. . .back at 7.

    Also, from what I have gleaned from the stories following Fischer’s declaration, Grenell was a great choice to support Romney.

    and now back to your rant.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:16 pm - May 30, 2012

  24. smooches. . .

    http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l569/rusty98119/8e5d1394.jpg

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:19 pm - May 30, 2012

  25. sorry Miss Rita Beads,

    had to find the right set of lyrics

    I feel pretty
    Oh so pretty
    I feel pretty and witty and GAY
    And I pity
    Any girl who isn’t me today
    I feel charming
    Oh so charming
    It’s alarming how charming I feel

    Read more: WESTSIDE STORY – I FEEL PRETTY LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-feel-pretty-lyrics-westside-story.html#ixzz1wNm4ikdH
    Copied from MetroLyrics.com

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:25 pm - May 30, 2012

  26. Yep. Your rhetoric approaches, and even supersedes the type of filth that you have spewed against me and others on this blog. Reread the garbage your posted about me in your previous two posts as an example.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 3:10 pm – May 30, 2012

    Nope. You post it if you want to prove it. I already linked the hate you and your fellow bigots like James are spewing above, and I’ll do it here again.

    9.@ Rusty,

    Bryan Fischer’s comments are scary and unfortunately predicative what we have to look forward to in the Romney administration. Forget about ENDA and repealing DOMA. Gays will be court martialed out of the military.

    Sadly, social conservatives like Fischer have a lot of clout in the Republican party. If they have it their way, homosexuality will be re-criminalized. If you’re in the closet, stay in. If you’re already out of the closet, you’re screwed…

    But hey we saved some money on taxes (yay!), we’ll go find a new country to start a another war on terrorism, and North Dallas Thirty might finally be happy……

    Comment by James — May 30, 2012 @ 12:45 pm – May 30, 2012

    And, as I stated before:

    This is being made abundantly clear to us. Pat, rusty, and their bigot friend James are saying that if you vote for Romney, you support criminalizing homosexuality. They are screaming on their bigot sites like JoeMyGod that gays and lesbians who dare vote Republican are traitors, comparing them to Jewish Nazis and people like Vidkun Quisling who handed their countrymen over to the Nazis to be killed. They are saying that gays who vote Republican are handing over their fellow gays to be murdered for money. They are saying that all you’re doing is looking for excuses to invade and attack other countries.

    Want more? Here’s Dan Savage calling for Republicans to be killed. Here’s Joe Jervis calling gay conservatives Nazis and traitors and that they want other gays to be killed. And here’s Evan Hurst and Wayne Besen stating that every single word of this is true:

    Dan Blatt is a loathsome piece of sh*t who will sell out other gay people in order to curry the favor of straight Republicans who pat him on the head every now but then call him a c*ck-sucking heels-in-the-air fudge-packed girlie-boy behind his back (even though only the girlie-boy part is actually true). Dan says all this stuff because the probability that any gay man would ever give enough of a sh!t about Dan to visit him in a hospital, much less to have a relationship with him, is remote — as remote as the possibility that Dan will ever have sex with anyone other than a blind leper in a darkened truck stop in rural Alabama, and even then the leper will have to down a fifth of Jack Daniel’s before he can bring himself to do it. F*ck you, Dan, you wretched, illiterate prick.

    Bring it, Pat. Make the word-for-word comparison. You want to skip and dance and blather and try to compare my words, go for it. I want to see you make that comparison. I want to see you justify and defend your assessment.

    Because that will bring the real problem to the fore — the immense double standard that you and your fellow Obama-supporting bigots bring to the evaluation of this situation, and how desperate you are to blame someone, ANYONE other than the gay left.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:26 pm - May 30, 2012

  27. I have a hard time understanding rusty’s comments. In one he says that the twitts were no big deal, in another one he copy & paste an editorial that says the opposite.

    Regardless, sorry to burst your collective gay bubble but on hotair.com (or any real blogging world outside the gay realm) those tweets have been perceived as a great faux pas, truly unfit for someone part of a (decent) president’s inner circle. Do we deserve another 4 years of amateurish behaviour?

    His childish and uncalled for remarks shouldn’t be discharged simply because Grenell is gay and is allegedly allowed to be more frivolous than the rest. (or not? let’s pretend he is not misogynist because he is from a protected group, where did I hear that?)

    Also, regardless of what one thinks about gay marriage, quitting your job because in 2000something Bush refused to sign a meaningless paper in the useless rooms of the united nations (since when the united nations meant something for the true conservative?) sounds to me like an extremely unprofessional way to conduct yourself. Who or what would have prevented him from pulling another similar stunt, de facto damaging Romney or the republican brand?

    Learn from the left, no matter how much crap they are in, they stick to each other and have each other’s backs. If Romney becomes president (fingers crossed) does he really deserve this sort of drama?

    The guy was and is a walking mine, ready and willing to cannibalize his own to shine more at NY posh cocktail parties that he probably proudly attends with his partner.

    Comment by susan — May 30, 2012 @ 3:32 pm - May 30, 2012

  28. Oh My, NDT. . .someone just suggested ‘roid rage’.

    Roid rage is a term given to people who act in very aggressive or hostile manner after taking large doses, usually on a regular basis, of anabolic steroids, sometimes nicknamed as roids.

    hope you are ok. you should probably just step back away from the keyboard.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:34 pm - May 30, 2012

  29. 22.Oh Miss Rita Beads . . . you so pretty NDT when you’re panties get all twisted

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:15 pm – May 30, 2012

    Gee, rusty, one would think someone as opposed to making disparaging comments about other peoples’ sexuality and gender expression as you are wouldn’t be this hypocritical.

    But it’s been pretty well-established by this point that gays and lesbians like yourself really aren’t capable of operating in a non-hypocritical fashion. After all, you’re the ones whose “safe sex” rhetoric has pushed US HIV rates to twice the level of sub-Saharan Africa, demonstrating that your concern for the health of teens and children ends once you’ve used them.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:35 pm - May 30, 2012

  30. The guy was and is a walking mine, ready and willing to cannibalize his own to shine more at NY posh cocktail parties that he probably proudly attends with his partner.

    Comment by susan — May 30, 2012 @ 3:32 pm – May 30, 2012

    You know, susan, I might care about your opinion if you had at any point in the past made it obvious that you were able to view gay and straight people based on qualifications.

    But since you haven’t, who cares? Nothing Grenell did or does is going to be enough for you, no matter how much he tries, no matter how much Romney tries, and so forth. You’ve judged based on his sexual orientation, and you can spin excuses for why you wanted him gone until the cows come home.

    What makes you think your bigotry is any more useful or attractive than Pat’s?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:38 pm - May 30, 2012

  31. see 34 Dan

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:39 pm - May 30, 2012

  32. sorry that be comment 28, DAN

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:41 pm - May 30, 2012

  33. 28.Oh My, NDT. . .someone just suggested ‘roid rage’.

    Roid rage is a term given to people who act in very aggressive or hostile manner after taking large doses, usually on a regular basis, of anabolic steroids, sometimes nicknamed as roids.

    hope you are ok. you should probably just step back away from the keyboard.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:34 pm – May 30, 2012

    So your method of showing “concern” is to accuse me of taking drugs. You deliberately abuse and attempt to exploit the fact that I like to exercise and have a decent body to attack me and claim that I use drugs.

    My god, but you are a hateful, spiteful little bigot. This might be normal behavior for you and your fellow liberal gays, but it just shows to what level you will go to attack and demonize people you don’t like.

    And Richard Grenell got the brunt of that, exponentially.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:43 pm - May 30, 2012

  34. mean mean mean lil’ ol’ me

    smooches Dan,

    http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l569/rusty98119/smooch.jpg

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 3:50 pm - May 30, 2012

  35. Nope. You post it if you want to prove it.

    NDT, request denied. No need to. Anyone can simply scroll up, and read all of your posts, and see the filth themselves, and in context, something you always fail to provide with your links that only prove how offbase you are. The fact that you cannot recognize your own reprehensible behavior is no surprise though. Furthermore, you have continued to make assumptions about me not based on reality. Thanks, and hope tomorrow is blessed for you as well.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 3:53 pm - May 30, 2012

  36. The fact that you cannot recognize your own reprehensible behavior is no surprise though.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 3:53 pm – May 30, 2012

    LOL. Once again, Pat, you try the desperate move of the exploitative and abusive personality to blame the other person who is holding you accountable.

    It takes self-confidence to overcome an abuser like you. One has to recognize the natural tendency of a decent person to do self-reflection and to trust that another person is making a fair judgment and not lying to you.

    But as I’ve repeatedly shown, you’re not</I fair. You do lie about "civility". Your point at the very beginning of this thread was to paint Romney as a homophobic bigot and Grenell as a liar, that the gay left who deliberately and repeatedly abused Grenell was justified in their actions, and to insist that anyone who would disagree with you was wrong.

    And you are hilarious in your desperation. Even as your bigot friend James claims Republicans are homophobic murderers, your bigot friend Joe Jervis says gay Republicans are traitors and Nazis, your bigot friend Savage calls for Republicans to be murdered, your bigot friends Hurst, Tisinai, and Besen spew crap about gay conservatives, and your bigot friend rusty calls people drug abusers and drag queens, you are trying to lecture others about civility.

    And then you blame Romney and Grenell for the fact that all of your bigot Obama supporting friends abused the hell out of Grenell. You would rather call Grenell a liar than admit that your fellow Obama bigot gays attacked him.

    I guess that’s the easy way out for a coward. And that’s what you are, Pat – an unprincipled, bigoted coward.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 4:14 pm - May 30, 2012

  37. Let me understand.

    He is hired by a (allegedly) conservative president. He quits loudly making the most damage possible, because Bush refused to sign a paper urging all countries for full acceptance of homosexuality (2 countries out of 3 never signed and frankly I would be utterly suspicious of any paper coming from the bigwigs of UN). The UN constantly fails to outlaw slavery (which still exists in at least 4 muslim countries), the UN put Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba and Nigeria in the High Commissioner for Human Rights at the same level of the United states, for christ’s sake and Grenell plays the drama queen for something decided by this unlawful bunch of unelected corrupted individuals? Nothing is done by millions of Animists, christians, jews, Buddists and hindus routinely massacrated by muslims worldwide and Grenell thinks his grudge about a president (that sent him to the UN to do a JOB) is more important? What kind of person is that?

    Let’s compare: He is hired by a conservative president and he is a believer in climate change and global warming, he quits because Bush refuses to sign some UN papers stating that we will soon burn (or freeze) because we don’t use solar or wind energy. This is the exact same matter. I would have had the same low opinion of him. You are HIRED to do a job by the president of a country and you should behave in the best interests of the COUNTRY, not your personal best interests.

    Questions arise: is the guy aware of the average tenets of conservativism? Does he care? or the fact that he is gay trumps everything? I do not judge his acts because he is gay, he makes his being gay his whole persona, he shaped himself like the frivolous catty gay that insults women for their appearance with his tweets.

    I do not ask female politicians to care about women rights first and foremost, as I do not ask politicians with a relative with disabilities to make this their CORE position.

    What’s next? People hired by Coca-Cola or Microsoft suddenly realizing they are against corporations? People hired by Pfizer and Merck realizing they are against unethical behaviour from big pharma? How many examples do you need? Don’t you have enough of electing a president that is anti american to the core?

    Truth is that even if the most social conservative candidate of all time was elected, he wouldn’t be able to do NOTHING to try to limit abortion but when we manage to elect a semi-conservative or a republican-light he must put in place all the things poor democrats fail to legislate (gay marriage, wild immigration, free stuff for all, resize the army, etc).

    What is the point of being conservative if de facto it is being a surrogate to democrats?

    Comment by susan — May 30, 2012 @ 4:14 pm - May 30, 2012

  38. LOL. Once again, Pat, you try the desperate move of the exploitative and abusive personality to blame the other person who is holding you accountable.

    Substitute, “NDT” in for “Pat” and you nailed it.

    And then you blame Romney and Grenell for the fact that (blah blah blah) abused the hell out of Grenell. You would rather call Grenell a liar than admit that (blah blah blah) attacked him.

    This was almost civil, so I’ll respond. I do partially blame Romney for not standing up against the hate from the left and right. For all I know, maybe Romney did do his best to keep Grenell on the job. I don’t have the transcripts for the meeting. Regardless, I do hold anyone, left or right for their hateful rhetoric regardless of whether it had anything to do with Grenell’s resignation. So could you at least cut that lie out. Thanks.

    I did not call Grenell a liar. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. His reasoning simply did not sound plausible to me. It sounded plausible to you, fine. So we disagree. No need to spew filth and hate over it. He may have been bound to keep the real reason a secret (if there is such another reason). There are other possiblities there.

    The rest of your post was chock fill of more assumptions about me not based on reality, tinged with your usual incivility and filth, and it’s virtually impossible to respond to such garbage. If you want to try it again with wording consistent with rational, adult behavior, I will respond. Thanks, and hope the rest of your week is blessed as well.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 4:27 pm - May 30, 2012

  39. What is the point of being conservative if de facto it is being a surrogate to democrats?

    Comment by susan — May 30, 2012 @ 4:14 pm – May 30, 2012

    Your problem, susan, is that no one really believes you are “conservative”. You’re simply looking for an excuse to hate gays.

    When you can identify and praise Grenell’s accomplishments, which are many, then you might have room to talk. But all you’re demonstrating is that you’re looking for excuses to get rid of him, which makes you a bigot.

    I don’t listen to excuses from bigots.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 4:28 pm - May 30, 2012

  40. I do partially blame Romney for not standing up against the hate from the left and right.

    Of course you blame Romney. That is your point — blame Romney, blame Romney, Romney’s a homophobe, blah blah blah. You have no idea what Romney did, as you admit, but you are still blaming him. It’s all part of the narrative that Republicans are all evil homophobes that want to put gays in concentration camps and murder them, so we have to worship and vote for the glorious Obamamessiah.

    Bigotry. Pure, unadulterated, stupid bigotry.

    Regardless, I do hold anyone, left or right for their hateful rhetoric regardless of whether it had anything to do with Grenell’s resignation.

    Bullsh*t! You have your fellow bigots rusty and James claiming that Republicans want to imprison gays, that gays who vote Republican are traitors who are selling out their fellow gays for money, that Republicans are just looking for excuses to kill people, and you say nothing.

    You want credibility? Start telling your fellow bigot gays to shove it. Otherwise, all you do is demonstrate just what a freaking coward you are. And if you have the time to attack Bryan Fischer, you certainly can call out your GLAAD-endorsed and supported bigots like Joe Jervis and Dan Savage, as well as your fellow commenting bigots like Evan Hurst, Wayne Besen, and Rob Tisinai.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 4:42 pm - May 30, 2012

  41. Okay, trolls. Back under the bridge, please.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — May 30, 2012 @ 4:58 pm - May 30, 2012

  42. I briefly worked at an embassy of a country that is not mine and that I also happen to dislike very much. Pointless to say I behaved in the most respectful manner possible, avoiding being a ‘doormat’ so to speak and avoiding causing controversy, I wasn’t in a high managerial position but I would have behaved professionally even in a much higher position. But after all I was simply a private individual working for an embassy of a foreign land (an embassy is an extension of the foreign office = paid by the government).

    Which is close but still VERY DIFFERENT from working for the president of your own country potentially with foreign relation duties. He knew before hand that Bush was a conservative (allegedly his same party) but he accepted the job anyway to later make a scene over nothing (do you really think that UN petition about decriminalizing homosexuality could have gone anywhere beside the toilet? we are talking about the UN here…). Either he is totally naive or deeply malicious.

    Whatever accomplishment he might have reached, it is hugely overshadowed by that cheap stunt back then and his recent tabloidish twitter venture.

    The excuses to get rid of him (or the real reasons, to me they make no differece) are good enough. I care about principles and someone who puts their pet cause above the role they are paid for (by taxpayers nevertheless) should be fired. It is telling that the Romney camp thought this guy was worth a second chance. The pain was more than the gain.

    I do not subscribe to the tribalistic mentality that his faults should be overlooked because he is gay, which is your view. As I said I do not vote according to my genitals, race, color. That makes me non-bigot. You praise him because he is gay and you find no objection in someone who actively damaged the bush administration (which surely didn’t need any extra damage) by playing the drama queen for trivial reasons.

    Comment by susan — May 30, 2012 @ 5:02 pm - May 30, 2012

  43. NDT, after a glimmer of civility, you returned with increasing filth and immoral behavior. As such, it is impossible to respond. You also made assumptions about me not based on reality. Post like a rational adult, and I promise I will respond in kind. Thanks.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 5:43 pm - May 30, 2012

  44. susan, you just demonstrated my point beautifully.

    He knew before hand that Bush was a conservative (allegedly his same party) but he accepted the job anyway to later make a scene over nothing (do you really think that UN petition about decriminalizing homosexuality could have gone anywhere beside the toilet? we are talking about the UN here…). Either he is totally naive or deeply malicious.

    Comment by susan — May 30, 2012 @ 5:02 pm – May 30, 2012

    I repeat: you are stating that Grenell accepted his job for the sole purpose of maliciously embarassing and attacking Bush.

    Ludicrous.

    And this:

    Which is close but still VERY DIFFERENT from working for the president of your own country potentially with foreign relation duties.

    If it is VERY DIFFERENT, it is a meaningless comparison. You’re grasping at straws to rationalize your bigotry.

    And then we come to this.

    Whatever accomplishment he might have reached, it is hugely overshadowed by that cheap stunt back then and his recent tabloidish twitter venture.

    Of course. You are looking for any reason to disqualify him, completely ignoring his previous accomplishments, his experience, and his qualifications.

    ALL BECAUSE HE IS GAY.

    And then you try to project onto me your own disgusting bigotry.

    I do not subscribe to the tribalistic mentality that his faults should be overlooked because he is gay, which is your view.

    No, you subscribe to the tribalistic mentality that he must be disqualified for any reason because he is gay.

    And if you knew my past history, you would understand why everyone is laughing at you, bigot. I am far more evolved than you are, since I can actually judge people WITHOUT using their sexual orientation as an excuse. You are pathetically obsessed with it, and making up stupid reasons to disqualify people because you hate gays.

    As I said I do not vote according to my genitals, race, color. That makes me non-bigot.

    But you vote based on OTHER peoples’ genitals, race, and color. You will not vote for Romney if he employs a gay person, nor will your fellow bigot Bryan Fischer. That makes you both bigots.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 6:01 pm - May 30, 2012

  45. 43.NDT, after a glimmer of civility, you returned with increasing filth and immoral behavior. As such, it is impossible to respond. You also made assumptions about me not based on reality. Post like a rational adult, and I promise I will respond in kind. Thanks.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 5:43 pm – May 30, 2012

    Oh no, Pat.

    Because I’ve seen you respond to and support people like James and rusty who are out saying Republicans want to murder and imprison gays, Joe Jervis and his ilk who say that gay Republicans and conservatives are traitors and Nazi supporters, Dan Savage and his ilk who scream about “bullying” even as they call for Republicans to be murdered, and Evan Hurst and his ilk who are posting this sort of thing about gay conservatives.

    So I’m kind of over it. You wouldn’t give a damn about “filth and immoral behavior” or “post(ing) like a rational adult” if I were a good little gay-sex marriage Obama supporter, nor would you be wagging your finger about “civility” if I were posting this about gay conservatives and calling them Nazis. So what is pretty clear here is that you’re objecting to the message, not how it is delivered, and employing a hellacious set of double standards to explain why you want people who you don’t like shut up.

    Just like your friend susan, who has every excuse in the book for why no one should ever employ a gay person.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 6:16 pm - May 30, 2012

  46. Really, NDT. The filth you come up with is amazing. You try to bully three people in this thread, and you are trying to lecture me. Once again, your assumptions about me have no basis in reality.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 6:28 pm - May 30, 2012

  47. Really, NDT. The filth you come up with is amazing. You try to bully three people in this thread, and you are trying to lecture me. Once again, your assumptions about me have no basis in reality.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 6:28 pm – May 30, 2012

    Hey, guess what, Pat?

    Those three people are saying that I want to criminalize being gay, that I want to imprison gays, that I want to murder gays, that I’m selling gays out for money, that I’m a warmonger who wants to invade other countries for the sheer hell of it, that I use drugs, and so forth.

    Add to that the rantings of your fellow bigots Joe Jervis and Dan Savage that I’m a Nazi who should be dragged behind a pickup truck.

    You are such a brain-dead bigot that you don’t even realize the crap you and your fellow bigots are spewing. You seriously think that your lies and hate speech about Republicans and conservatives are true, and that we’re just all itching to put you in a concentration camp.

    Don’t you ever presume to lecture me about rationality, bullying, or filth. Your fellow bigots have made it abundantly clear the type of lies and sick hate that you will spew to get your way, and Grenell demonstrates the degree of sociopathic hate and attacks on their family you and yours will carry out against anyone who threatens your precious Obama Party.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 6:51 pm - May 30, 2012

  48. Keep on ranting, NDT.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 7:33 pm - May 30, 2012

  49. #9: “Bryan Fischer’s comments are scary and unfortunately predicative what we have to look forward to in the Romney administration. Forget about ENDA and repealing DOMA. Gays will be court martialed out of the military. Sadly, social conservatives like Fischer have a lot of clout in the Republican party. If they have it their way, homosexuality will be re-criminalized. If you’re in the closet, stay in. If you’re already out of the closet, you’re screwed…”

    ND30,
    Thank you for consistently calling out imbeciles like James for making these ridiculous, defamatory predictions. It’s truly surreal and disgusting how commonplace it is for gay leftists to accuse conservatives of either actively plotting or being complicit in the homosexual holocaust fantasies liberals invent in their polluted imaginations. I’m so sick of it.

    I seem to recall the same bullsh*t predictions being made when GWBush first ran for President, but somehow, even with GOP majorities in both the House and Senate for 6 years, the gay genocide we were promised NEVER HAPPENED.

    And these idiots–who constantly accuse conservatives of wanting to exterminate gays–have the nerve to demand CIVILITY. Insufferable hypocrites, all of them.

    Comment by Sean A — May 30, 2012 @ 7:38 pm - May 30, 2012

  50. It’s truly surreal and disgusting how commonplace it is for gay leftists to accuse conservatives of either actively plotting or being complicit in the homosexual holocaust fantasies liberals invent in their polluted imaginations…..

    And these idiots–who constantly accuse conservatives of wanting to exterminate gays–have the nerve to demand CIVILITY. Insufferable hypocrites, all of them.

    Comment by Sean A — May 30, 2012 @ 7:38 pm – May 30, 2012

    Exactly, Sean.

    And the reason it happens is very simple: Pat and rusty and their filthy, bigoted ilk like Joe Jervis, Dan Savage, Evan Hurst, Rob Tisinai, Wayne Besen, and others project onto gay and lesbian conservatives exactly what they want to do to Republicans and exactly what they want to happen to Republicans.

    This is real. These are real, live people out there telling you they want you dead and they want you to kill yourself because of your political affiliation and your religious beliefs. These are the people who tried to destroy Bruce’s career and who are posting sh*t all over the web to ensure that Dan’s career is ruined.

    And then they have the temerity to whine about “civility” and post their Holocaust fantasies.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 9:59 pm - May 30, 2012

  51. This thread has turned into a long, sad, and vicious violation of Gaypatriot’s terms of service.

    Comment by rolling — May 30, 2012 @ 10:18 pm - May 30, 2012

  52. Yup. Little liberal rolling likes to scream about term of service violations just as he’s accusing gay conservatives of aiding and abetting mass murder for money.

    Give up your Holocaust fantasies first, rolling.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2012 @ 10:31 pm - May 30, 2012

  53. Some of these longer threads I’m a big part of; others I skip altogether. Usually one or the other extreme. This one, I’m going to weigh in on, but just a little; hopefully that hits some kind of medium.

    First of all Pat… I think we should take Grenell’s word for it, “…Some of the most hateful, mean-spirited intolerant comments about me being the foreign policy and national security spokesman for Governor Romney … were coming from the left.” I don’t have examples at the ready; I haven’t made myself an expert on this subject. But I will take Grenell’s word. In that, we may disagree (and I can live with it).

    Bigot Pat is interested in one thing and one thing only, and that is attacking/blaming Romney and the “religious right”

    NDT, I would agree that Pat is emphasizing the Right’s alleged role. And perhaps that shows prejudice. But I would also say that Pat has more civility in his heart than many. I have never viewed Pat as one of our chip-on-shoulder leftists here only to throw stink bombs at conservative individuals.

    I see how you arrive at “bigot”. You look at Pat’s inclination to blame the Christian Right in this matter (and perhaps others), and his seeming passivity in the face of hateful anti-Christian rhetoric, and you take those as proof of prejudice or strong bias. And the latter are a big part of bigotry. But not the whole definition. Active hatred and intolerance of individuals (based on their alleged group membership) are also needed. I do not call Pat “bigot”, because I would not agree at this time, that Pat exhibits active hatred and intolerance of Christian conservatives (simply for their being Christian conservatives).

    Just my $.02. I admit that I could be wrong… that I’ve misjudged people before… that I don’t know everything about Pat or anybody… and that I miss (or don’t read) a lot of comments.

    It’s the narrative, as Pat’s fellow bigot James makes clear… “…in the Romney administration… Gays will be court martialed out of the military.”

    I agree that that James made some groundless i.e. kooky assertions… groundless/kooky enough that in order to believe them, James would have to be one or more of (1) very ill-informed, (2) irrational, (3) bigoted. My way is to leave it there; that is, I choose not to try to say which it must be.

    I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty,

    And rusty, I also choose not to make fun of NDT. OK, so his way isn’t always my way. Or yours. Fine. But damn, the guy always has some valid points. Not limited to his point that tweaking an opposing commentor’s nose is one thing and waving suggestions of drug use (“roid rage”) in their face is another thing, taking it to another level. Or, not limited to thiis point of NDT’s on Pat:

    You have no idea what Romney did, as you admit, but you are still blaming him.

    Fair point. Again, just my $.02. I’m not telling anyone here to do X, or stop Y. We’re all grownups.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 30, 2012 @ 11:20 pm - May 30, 2012

  54. My apologies NDT for suggesting you use steroids. (DRUGS)

    but people who act in very aggressive or hostile manner
    was more of the point I was getting to.

    THANKS ILC for playing arbiter,

    but then again, mean mean mean lil’ ol’ me!

    NDT started out his rant with

    ‘ILC and Livewire, you are wasting your time with the bigots.’

    ILC you are the one who started with calling Fischer an idiot.

    But since I be the mean one here, let’s reflect on that honorable soul Dan aka NDT and this comment

    These are LIES. Pat, James, and rusty are LIARS. They are disgusting, hateful bigots who will say and do anything to hurt Republicans and conservatives.

    There are many folk here (including Pat) that make valid points.

    THANKS you very much. rusty has left the house!

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 11:37 pm - May 30, 2012

  55. There are many folk here (including Pat) that make valid points.

    ILC you are the one who started with calling Fischer an idiot.

    Yup. Both true.

    mean mean mean lil’ ol’ me!

    I wasn’t drawing that conclusion 😉

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 31, 2012 @ 12:08 am - May 31, 2012

  56. ILC, thanks for your comments. I would say that if I had to choose the top ten most vicious attacks I have received on any blog, NDT has been the attacker. And this ranks near or at the top of viciousness. I can’t even guess what prompted all of this.

    As for the point of the thread, we definitely disagree, but not as much as you indicate (I think). First of all, I believe Grenell when he said that some of the most hateful comments he received was from the left. I’ll go further, and assume he could have meant “most” instead of “some.”

    I have stated that, IMO, it was the rhetoric on the right that lead to his resignation for these reasons. While as disgusting as the rhetoric on the left apparently was, it would surprise me that would lead to his resignation, especially with the political experience he has had. Further, the Romney campaign certainly doesn’t have to answer to the left regarding their personnel choices. On the other hand, Fischer and his flock is part of the Republican base. His influence on the Republican party may be limited, but he carries more weight than the gay left. Also, Grenell mentioned he did not want to be part of the story. The story that we all heard was mostly pressure from Fischer. As far as I know, there was no “story” with the left. This doesn’t mean the rhetoric he received didn’t happen. It just means that it wasn’t newsworthy. Fighting within a party tends to be more newsworthy.

    So Grenell’s reasoning doesn’t make sense to me. Sure, I could be wrong. I could be missing something. Also, I have no way of knowing if Grenell lied. There could be something more to this that we are not and should not be privy to. Who knows?

    As for Romney, yes, I blame him somewhat for mishandling it. I guess I would have liked to see him rip apart those from the left and right that contributed to the hate rhetoric against Grenell. And then for Fischer to then smugly call Romney out for listening to him was icing on the cake. But it’s politics, and sometimes you have to tap dance to get through ugly portions of the campaign.

    Is their bias towards Romney? Maybe so. But I have been biased against the past few presidents, including the one we have now.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 12:17 am - May 31, 2012

  57. Grenell resigned because of the Evil Left Empire. It had nothing to do with the right. Conservatives are INNOCENT! The left is EVIL!

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 31, 2012 @ 12:43 am - May 31, 2012

  58. While as disgusting as the rhetoric on the left apparently was, it would surprise me that would lead to his resignation

    My impression/belief is the following.

    – When it was just the far Right, Grenell said basically “No big deal. I’ve always been through this. They are an overestimated minority even among Republicans, and Gov. Romney is no homophobe, just like Secretary Cheney wasn’t in the Pete Williams days; after all, I was perfectly ‘out’ to Romney & co, and they hired me.”
    – When the gay Left got in on it however, probably on Twitter (where Grenell was living at the time), he thought “I can see the conduits leading from here, straight to Rachel Maddow, Andrew Sullivan, etc. I’m just about to become the story here, distracting from Gov. Romney whom I support genuinely.”
    – So he resigned. In a show of professionalism, really.
    – Then Jennifer Rubin made Grenell “the story” anyway, getting some of her reporting just… wrong.

    So no one forced his resignation, neither Left nor Right. Grenell chose it. But, he chose it somewhat ‘triggered’ (let’s say) by the Left. Then, in a TINY footnote to the story, Fischer chose to try to use it for publicity, claiming (pretty falsely) that he did it.

    That’s just my impression. I don’t know Grenell, just doing my best to read between the lines of his comments. “Your mileage may vary.”

    As for Romney, yes, I blame him somewhat for mishandling it.

    Again, from what I have gathered, it would have been Grenell’s choice more than Romney’s. For real.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 31, 2012 @ 12:45 am - May 31, 2012

  59. Speaking of James… then there’s Cinesnatch.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 31, 2012 @ 12:46 am - May 31, 2012

  60. Whatever, have fun with the next gay trainwreck in the republican party and the subsequent damage control action so you can all pat yourself on the back and pretend nothing happened.

    When your pet cause overshadows the tenets of a political party that puts you in a position of power and encompasses your all being, maybe it’s time to think at a carreer change.

    If the main point of the campaign/next presidency is the economy, then Romney should stay the hell away from unnecessary drama and problem.

    Comment by susan — May 31, 2012 @ 1:12 am - May 31, 2012

  61. If the main point of the campaign/next presidency is the economy, then Romney should stay the hell away from unnecessary drama and problem.

    Comment by susan — May 31, 2012 @ 1:12 am – May 31, 2012

    Like your jihad to wipe all gays from any employment whatsoever?

    And that leads us to this:

    When your pet cause overshadows the tenets of a political party that puts you in a position of power and encompasses your all being, maybe it’s time to think at a carreer change.

    I couldn’t agree more. Why don’t you leave the Republican Party to its own tenets and take your “God Hates Fags” crap over to your fellow Obama supporters at the Phelps encampment?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 1:46 am - May 31, 2012

  62. but people who act in very aggressive or hostile manner
    was more of the point I was getting to.

    Comment by rusty — May 30, 2012 @ 11:37 pm – May 30, 2012

    Oh, of course. After all, you and your bigot friend James calling conservative gays Nazi supporters who are selling people to be sent to the death camps in exchange for lower taxes and who are just looking for random reasons to invade other countries is just something they should take, right?

    But don’t worry. Your fellow bigot Pat is just as clueless.

    I can’t even guess what prompted all of this.

    Oh no. Just going around comparing people to the worst killers in modern history and calling them traitors who want other people like them jailed and murdered certainly couldn’t be cause for them getting po’d, now, could it?

    Which makes this even more laughably hypocritical.

    I would say that if I had to choose the top ten most vicious attacks I have received on any blog, NDT has been the attacker. And this ranks near or at the top of viciousness.

    Oh, you haven’t even SEEN viciousness, Pat.

    I haven’t seen one person here compare you to a Nazi and say that you want to sell other people to be murdered in exchange for money like your James did.

    I haven’t seen one person here state that you look to invade and destroy other countries for the sheer hell of it like your James did.

    I haven’t seen one person here try to out you for the sole purpose of getting you fired like your Mike Rogers and John Aravosis did.

    I haven’t seen people compare you to the worst traitors in history like Vidkun Quisling, or say that you are a race traitor/turncoat who looks to get other people killed as did the kapos in the Nazi concentration camps like your Joe Jervis, Michelangelo Signorile, and Pam Spaulding do.

    I haven’t heard one person here tell you they hope your child dies of SIDS like your bigot Joe Jervis said to Mary Cheney.

    I haven’t seen people tell you that the best thing you could do and the only way you could please your parents is to kill yourself, or call for you to be dragged behind a pickup truck and killed because of your political affiliation like your Obama-endorsed community leader Dan Savage does for Republicans.

    And I certainly haven’t seen people write this sort of thing about you.

    In short, Pat, you wag your finger about “civility” day in and day out and whine about Christians day in and day out — all while turning a blind eye to what your fellow Obama true believers and bigot gay leaders are heaping upon gay conservatives day in and day out. Even more hilariously, exposure to the tiniest fraction of it directed at you puts you in the corner in a fetal position, rocking and sucking your thumb and complaining about how “vicious” and “hateful” everyone is.

    As Sean so eloquently put it, I am sick of being smeared day in and day out with the homosexual holocaust fantasies that you and your bigot friends like rusty, James, Jervis, Savage, Spaulding, and the ilk dream up in your polluted imaginations. I am very well aware that your Obama Party of bigots encourages this, and the fact that you can’t even recognize that it is wrong to do it puts them and you beyond contempt and well into the sociopath level.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 2:14 am - May 31, 2012

  63. Just my $.02. I admit that I could be wrong… that I’ve misjudged people before… that I don’t know everything about Pat or anybody… and that I miss (or don’t read) a lot of comments.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 30, 2012 @ 11:20 pm – May 30, 2012

    ILC, right or wrong, agree or disagree, I trust both your judgment and that your heart is in the right place.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 2:17 am - May 31, 2012

  64. So, let’s follow a similar story line about a sassy boy who also liked to use twitter. . .

    back in 2011 BDB posted this:

    When we heard that Chris had called Cleta Mitchell a “nasty bigot” in a public forum, Bruce and I each contacted the other to express his concerns. We both believe he crossed a line and have been considering for the past 24 hours how to respond. This evening (Thursday, February 10), we thought it best to post this piece. While we disagree with Cleta Mitchell on a number of issues, we believe Chris was wrong to call her a “nasty bigot” to a reporter for the Metro Weekly. This is not appropriate public discourse. We are pleased that Chris apologized for using such intemperate language and encourage him to use greater discretion in future commentary.

    UPDATE: Just saw this commentary at Allahpundit which reflects our views:

    Even so, although I support GOProud, I admit to cringing a bit at Chris Barron goofing on boycotters as having exiled themselves to the “Island of Political Misfit Toys” or whatever. It’s not that DeMint et al. can’t take it — Barron himself, I’m sure, could offer a few insights from his formative years about dealing with taunts and name-calling — but doing an end-zone dance over such a contentious disagreement is foolishly and needlessly alienating.

    So we have the AFA and the other SOCON stygian witches going after GoProud and CPAC folk, raising a stink and stepping up with the
    nasty bigot commentary and

    Barron also popped off with

    Of those calling for the boycott, Barron says, ”They’re all excited that Jim DeMint is boycotting. And that’s fantastic. I’m glad that he’s willing to be on the Island of Political Misfit Toys with [World Net Daily’s Joseph] Farah and the Concerned Women for America.”

    So Fischer was in the middle of that.

    Then Chris got into more hot water later last year and stepped down after being called out on his ‘outing’ of Perry spin doctor.

    TSK TSK watch out girls and boys, everyone has to play nice in the sandbox.

    So, Fischer shouldn’t get all the credit, but you have to know that he certainly likes to pop off. Sort of like someone else likes to pop off.

    But having been in fund development, and other consensus building activities, I have been there when not-to-be-named donors and supporters have made the phone call or sent the message to ‘change course’. Grenell was muzzled during his first two weeks and then was asked to sit quietly in the corner. HMMM! Probably didn’t sit well with Grenell considering his sassy twitter behavior.

    Romney was just in the early stages of building his election team and again, like I have said before, the RNC sent in their special operational advisors and spin doctors.

    NOT ROMNEY folk needed to be secured (and still need some reassurance) for Romney to succeed.

    Moral of the story: Sassy Gay Conservative HOMOCON Barron
    and Sassy Gay Conservative HOMOCON Grenell share a similar end and a very similar support of SSM.

    Sassy NDT doesn’t support gay sex marriage though and continues to pop off.

    Tis fascinating that NDT claims to support BDB but continues to post that ridiculous sadly no post from his treasured archives.

    post script: please take time to remember that Romney dissed Fischer at CPAC earlier this year. Sassy Brian Fischer probably was overly delighted in claiming victory after being put in the corner by Romney

    Comment by rusty — May 31, 2012 @ 5:12 am - May 31, 2012

  65. NDT, you have done a good job of saying what you have not done to me. But that does not change the fact that your attacks against me have been vicious and unwarranted. You have lied about what I have said, and continue doing so. No one else has come close to attacking me the way you have. I have NEVER made the type of Holocaust claims that you either attribute to me, or lump me with others who you believe have. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Rusty make such claims either, but you lumped him in with others that have.

    Maybe you have been given a raw deal by others on and/or outside the Internet. And maybe have been viciously attacked by others much more than I have. But you then project this hate you have received onto me and others unfairly. And it doesn’t change the fact that NO ONE has viciously attacked me more than you have. Not even close.

    In short, Pat, you wag your finger about “civility” day in and day out and whine about Christians day in and day out

    As you’ll see in this thread, and many others, I have not “whined day in and out” about Christians. The only Christians I have criticized about on this thread are Fischer and you. But these have nothing to do with Christianity, unless you are saying Fischer is using his Christianity as an excuse for his bigotry, and you are using your Christianity for your vicious attacks and lies against me. I have also criticized Christians (or anyone else for that matter) who excuse their bad behavior against their gay offspring on their religion. I think these criticisms are warranted. If you don’t, fine. But any criticism I have ever had about Christians or Christianity have been nothing like the viciousness that you have attacked me. Again, not even close.

    all while turning a blind eye to what your fellow Obama true believers and bigot gay leaders are heaping upon gay conservatives day in and day out.

    Then I invite you to turn your rage against those people, and leave me out of it. Thanks.

    the fact that you can’t even recognize that it is wrong to do it puts them and you beyond contempt and well into the sociopath level.

    Until your uncivil and immoral behavior improves, and your lies cease, the feeling is mutual.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 6:39 am - May 31, 2012

  66. I’ve said in the past that I prefer to point out the faults of the individual, Vince’s love of admitted war criminals, Levi’s hatred of women, James’ inability to read, etc. with specific accounts to back it up. While NDT goes for the broad brush that the left likes to paint us with.

    It would be like how libs hold that all SO-cons are like Bryan Fisher but would be outraged if conservatives said all gays are like Jessie Dirkhising‘s killers.

    @Susan,

    We need to judge Grenell, by the content of his character, not by his choice of bed partners. He does appear to have fallen on his sword for Romney, and until evidence shows otherwise, he blames the hatred from the left, not the loons on the right.

    As people like Holder, Obama, Sharption, and Pelosi show, the vile hatred comes from luminaries of the left, not the fringe. (And before anyone claims Sharpton isn’t fringe, remember he was treated as a serious presidential candidate.)

    Comment by The_Livewire — May 31, 2012 @ 8:01 am - May 31, 2012

  67. “Susan,

    We need to judge Grenell, by the content of his character, not by his choice of bed partners.”

    by his own actions (putting his personal fight for gay marriage above anything else, including the job given to him by a republican president) I get that he wants his personal sexual preferences to be a large part of his character.

    He could have resigned without making a scene over it or he could go on being professional and leave his pet cause in his ersonal realm.

    Do you think all politicians’ aides agree 100% with their bosses?

    Of course not.

    Replace the gay issue with climate change and kyoto protocols. He is not there to push his personal agenda.

    Comment by susan — May 31, 2012 @ 10:55 am - May 31, 2012

  68. 65.NDT, you have done a good job of saying what you have not done to me. But that does not change the fact that your attacks against me have been vicious and unwarranted.

    Actually, it does a wonderful job of establishing that gay conservatives and Republicans like Grenell take broadsides every day that you can’t even handle a fraction of without whimpering about how “vicious and unwarranted” they are.

    You want to see? Here’s just a couple searches so it gets pushed in peoples’ faces the abuse that you claimed didn’t exist.

    You’re in denial, Pat, because you need to be. You, like all bigots, ignore any fact that doesn’t fit your narrative.

    I have NEVER made the type of Holocaust claims that you either attribute to me, or lump me with others who you believe have.

    I think Livewire pointed out your hypocrisy on this one quite nicely:

    It would be like how libs hold that all SO-cons are like Bryan Fisher but would be outraged if conservatives said all gays are like Jessie Dirkhising‘s killers.

    And this one really took the cake:

    Maybe you have been given a raw deal by others on and/or outside the Internet. And maybe have been viciously attacked by others much more than I have. But you then project this hate you have received onto me and others unfairly.

    Yup, Pat.

    People like myself and Grenell are supposed to take your finger-wagging lectures on “civility” while your fellow gay-sex marriage supporter bigots like GLAAD-endorsed blogger Joe Jervis, Obama-endorsed “activist” Dan Savage, Obama Party paid activists Pam Spaulding, Evan Hurst, and Wayne Besen, Rob Tisinai, Towleroad, Queerty, James, and innumerable others call us Nazis and traitors who sell people to the death camps and to be executed for cash.

    And how do I know you support these people and their statements? Because you cite their blogs as places I have been banned from because I was “uncivil”.

    Again. These people are screaming that I am a Nazi who wants to murder people, and you are calling THEM civil.

    You have been allowed to get away with this for too long, Pat, because conservatives and Republicans have been taught to be polite, respectful of those with whom they disagree, and introspective. The core conservative belief is that people do not criticize you except in good faith, and as a result, your behavior may need to be changed.

    But does giving you the benefit of the doubt stop your behavior? Do you reciprocate the respect and call out your fellow bigots like James when they start calling people Nazis, or your bigot Joe Jervis when he calls Grenell a Nazi traitor, and so forth?

    No. The more conservatives allow, the more foul you and your fellow bigots like rusty get. You and your sick sociopath friends like James make it clear that you are going to call us Nazis and claim we want to kill gay people until we finally buckle and go away.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 11:15 am - May 31, 2012

  69. You, like all bigots, ignore any fact that doesn’t fit your narrative.

    NDT, you nailed it again about yourself. Further, I love how you prove how adult and civil you are by lacing your posts with more filth and lies. Amazing. Your assumptions about me have no basis in reality. Thanks, and have yourself a blessed day.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 11:31 am - May 31, 2012

  70. Actually I was generalizing, NDT, not calling Pat out. I’m unaware of Pat specifically saying that all SO-Cons are like Fisher.

    Likewise, I’d not compare Pat to Dirkhising’s killers to Pat. James maybe, but not Pat. 🙂

    Comment by The_Livewire — May 31, 2012 @ 11:45 am - May 31, 2012

  71. Thanks, Livewire. You are correct. I do not believe that all so-cons are like Fischer. Further, I do not believe that all Christians are evil. And I do not believe that gay conservatives are Nazis.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 11:49 am - May 31, 2012

  72. And how do I know you support these people and their statements? Because you cite their blogs as places I have been banned from because I was “uncivil”.

    NDT, just caught this gem. I have never cited the blogs in which you were banned. The only blog that I am personally aware of that you were banned is The Malcontent. As far as I know, The Malcontent was not known for calling gay conservatives Nazis. As for the others, I relied on another poster (I believe it was Lori Heine) who stated that you have been banned from other sites. Again, my understanding is Lori is also not known for calling gay conservatives Nazis. In any case, I will never again mention that you were banned from several blogs.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 11:57 am - May 31, 2012

  73. […] Grenell says social conservatives didn’t force him out;he received hateful, mean-spirited comm… […]

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  74. Further, I love how you prove how adult and civil you are by lacing your posts with more filth and lies.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 11:31 am – May 31, 2012

    Nice try, Pat, but I just posted three examples of what you consider “adult and civil” behavior, given how you blathered and insisted that no one on the gay left in any way attacked or denigrated Grenell.

    I know you don’t consider it juvenile or uncivil to call gay conservatives murderers who want to sell other gays to be killed, as does GLAAD-endorsed Joe Jervis, or call for all Republicans and conservatives to be murdered, as does your Obama Party-endorsed Dan Savage, so what you continue to make obvious is just what a hypocritical, double-standard bigot you are.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 12:39 pm - May 31, 2012

  75. Whew!

    I have had an epiphany! I realize that my opinion has been based on one “sublimating” his “agenda” for the greater agenda.

    That is to say, an Hispanic in the upper echelon of the Romney campaign should stick to his appointed assignment and leave his personal Hispanic agenda on the back burner for the sake of the campaign. Same for a black or a woman, etc.

    The epiphany is that “gay” is different. Gay encompasses more than skin color or ethnicity or standard gender comparisons. We can look at the “content of character” (the Martin Luther King standard) in a black person or an Hispanic person or a female or male. But, among gays, the content of character is often the issue of difference.

    This is not to say that gays have character flaws, but for some gays to “sublimate” their “cultural differences” is to confront the issue of stereotype, agenda, and exceptions to the “norm.” This mophs into “character” assessment fairly easily.

    When Clinton was playing hide the cigar with Lewinsky, there was a great hue and cry that what he did in his private sex life was nobody’s business. However, there was as strong a force of voices that say cheating on his wife with an intern the age of his daughter is not character enhancement. Similarly, John Edwards finally demonstrated the core of his character when he reached the fathering of a love child stage.

    I believe I expected Grenell to act “straight” in the sense that Clarence Thomas acts “white” in the eyes of so many. That is because, I believed that gays were just another minority that are in the process of learning the ropes.

    What stuns me now is whether I am becoming “bigoted” in wondering if gays can conquer the “character differences” as opposed to whether people, like me, can get past the differences and look at “character” in different terms.

    Grenell’s “gay” comments are fodder for the left who want to punish him for being conservative and fodder for the extreme right who do not want him around because he is gay. The solution of giving up “gay” comments might derail the left to some degree, but it would go nowhere in changing the extreme right.

    So, I am left perplexed. I fully know and understand that black skin automatically disqualifies a man or woman for some people. But, you can not let that be a roadblock. You must ignore the ignorant and move on. But I don’t know if one can overcome aspects of “gay culture” to forge ahead.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 31, 2012 @ 1:08 pm - May 31, 2012

  76. NDT, unfortunately, what you think I consider civil (as per your examples) is only in your own mind.

    given how you blathered and insisted that no one on the gay left in any way attacked or denigrated Grenell.

    Um, I stated the exact opposite of what you claim. Read post 56, 2nd paragraph. Your remaining assumptions about me also have no basis in reality. Have a blessed afternoon.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 1:53 pm - May 31, 2012

  77. Um, I stated the exact opposite of what you claim. Read post 56, 2nd paragraph.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 1:53 pm – May 31, 2012

    Why start at 56, Pat?

    Why not go all the way back to comments 1 and 13, where you said this?

    1.Dan, so the media didn’t mention the nasty stuff from the left. What then was the story that Grenell was alluding to?

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 9:00 am – May 30, 2012

    As far as I know, there was no story that he was receiving nasty rhetoric from the gay left.

    Comment by Pat — May 30, 2012 @ 1:18 pm – May 30, 2012

    How nice of you to acknowledge some teeny-tiny sense of reality after it became obvious that your denial schtick wasn’t working.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 2:29 pm - May 31, 2012

  78. NDT, I’ll try one more time just for you. 1. Richard Grenell stated (and I believe) that he received hateful rhetoric from the gay left. 2. My understanding was that the story of this hateful rhetoric was not made public, while the hateful rhetoric from Mr. Fischer was made public. 3. As such, the “story” that we all heard was that the rhetoric was publicly coming from the right. 4. It wasn’t until Mr. Grenell said that he received hateful rhetoric from the left, that (to my understanding) that this was made public. 5. Since this wasn’t made public, but Mr. Fischer was making his opinion about having an openly gay spokesman public, this, in my view, could only have been the “story” Grenell was referring to (except possibly the tweets). 6. Mr. Fischer and his flock is part of Romney’s base, the gay left is not. 7. Thus, in my view, if Grenell was pressured to resign, it was from the right, and not the left. 8. Regardless of the correctness of my conclusion in 7, I condemn the hateful rhetoric from both the left and right. 9. I understand that I may be wrong, and people can and have disagreed with my conclusion.

    I hope this clears things up.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 2:51 pm - May 31, 2012

  79. How nice of you to acknowledge some teeny-tiny sense of reality after it became obvious that your denial schtick wasn’t working.

    Thanks. How nice of you to show some teeny-tiny sense of civility after it became obvious that your ranting wasn’t working. 😉

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 2:53 pm - May 31, 2012

  80. 2. My understanding was that the story of this hateful rhetoric was not made public, while the hateful rhetoric from Mr. Fischer was made public. 3. As such, the “story” that we all heard was that the rhetoric was publicly coming from the right. 4. It wasn’t until Mr. Grenell said that he received hateful rhetoric from the left, that (to my understanding) that this was made public. 5. Since this wasn’t made public, but Mr. Fischer was making his opinion about having an openly gay spokesman public, this, in my view, could only have been the “story” Grenell was referring to (except possibly the tweets).

    Wrong, Pat.

    I already posted three examples of the degree to which the Obama Party’s bigots were attacking Grenell as a Nazi, a murderer, a traitor, and mentally illpublicly.

    That was out there. You and your fellow bigots ignored it in your rush to condemn Romney as a homophobe, and all you’ve done this entire thread is to spin, bleat, and wiggle trying to get out of it. Now you’re down to the desperate excuse that, since you didn’t read about it in the media, it never happened, EVEN THOUGH I GAVE YOU LINKS SHOWING PRECISELY WHERE AND WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING.

    The reason why you’re being so wilfully blind and bigoted is twofold:

    1) You are desperate to brand Romney as a homophobe

    2) You are even more desperate to spin away from the fact that your sick Obama Party base and community consists of people that were screaming at Grenell that gay conservatives are Nazis and traitors and should kill themselves, saying on national TV that all Republicans should be murdered, openly trying to get conservative gays harassed and fired from their jobs, telling them they hope their babies die of SIDS, and posting these sort of statements about them as “the truth”.

    Republicans recognize the sort of behaviors that you condone, Pat. They recognize how you shriek and scream and wet yourself over Bryan Fischer and then do nothing as your fellow Obama gays rip gay conservatives to shreds and tell them to kill themselves and their children.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 3:32 pm - May 31, 2012

  81. Forget it, NDT. You simply can’t be civil. Further, your assumptions about me are not based on reality. In light of Dan’s call once again for civility, you simply cannot be dealt with in an adult, rational way. Have a blessed evening, and the last word. Bye.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 4:42 pm - May 31, 2012

  82. 81.Forget it, NDT. You simply can’t be civil…..In light of Dan’s call once again for civility, you simply cannot be dealt with in an adult, rational way.

    Comment by Pat — May 31, 2012 @ 4:42 pm – May 31, 2012

    You still don’t get it, do you, Pat?

    You have no business calling anyone uncivil, juvenile, and irrational when your own Obama Party base and gay and lesbian community (but I repeat myself) is sitting there screaming publicly that gay Republicans like Richard Grenell are traitorous Nazi murderers who are selling people to the SS to be shipped off to concentration camps and gassed, calling for Republicans and conservatives to kill themselves and/or be murdered, and writing these types of things about gay conservatives like Dan — without you saying one word about it.

    This wouldn’t be a problem if you could pick up after your own damn dogs. Of course, as we already know, if you’re asked to do that, you try to frame other people for hate crimes.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 5:09 pm - May 31, 2012

  83. NDT –

    Let’s have a thought experiment here:
    There’s a preacher in Kentucky that said that we should kill gays because it’s the biblical thing to do. There’s another preacher in North Carolina that said we should round up gays and put them behind an electrical fence until they all die. Since I haven’t seen you explicitly repudiate these comments from a fellow conservative, it’s clear to everyone here that you fully support killing gays.

    Is what I wrote above a valid argument? I would argue that it is not. I don’t hold you responsible for what other people say. Nor do I expect you to repudiate everything that you disagree with, whether or not it comes from a conservative or a liberal. You have a rather unfortunate habit of lumping groups of people together and assigning blame to the group at large, or holding people within the same group responsible for every action of every other member of the group. You keep trying to hold people responsible for things said by other people. Do I find some of the quotes you link reprehensible? Absolutely. But I don’t read those blogs (and I don’t plan to start). And it’s not my responsibility to track down everything awful thing that was said about a group I might disagree with.

    Additionally, you have a sense of moral equivalency that I don’t fully understand. Some of the links you provided were to comments made by readers of blogs. To equate what some random commenter said on a blog that few people likely read to what the leader of one of the largest “pro-family” organizations publicly said is, I believe, disingenuous.

    I don’t mean this as an attack, just as a reflection of how I see your style of argument. Do with it what you will.

    Cheers everyone!

    Comment by Alan — May 31, 2012 @ 7:49 pm - May 31, 2012

  84. There’s a preacher in Kentucky that said that we should kill gays because it’s the biblical thing to do. There’s another preacher in North Carolina that said we should round up gays and put them behind an electrical fence until they all die. Since I haven’t seen you explicitly repudiate these comments from a fellow conservative, it’s clear to everyone here that you fully support killing gays.

    Comment by Alan — May 31, 2012 @ 7:49 pm – May 31, 2012

    Well, I can’t really fault you for making that statement, Alan, because I’m one of the better-known conservatives and Christians here. I totally understand why you would think that way, even though I might not agree with it.

    But that’s easily fixed. I absolutely repudiate their statements. In fact, as I’ve talked about previously, I can do it to them in a very nice way, Biblically, without any problems.

    You see, Alan, I deal regularly with the gay and lesbian community and its owners in the Barack Obama Party, who insist that every Republican is responsible for everything that every other Republican says, and that if you say nothing, you support it.

    “Today we saw Mitt Romney’s version of leadership: standing by silently as his chief surrogate attacked the President’s family at the event and another supporter alleged that the President should be tried for treason. Time after time in this campaign, Mitt Romney has had the opportunity to show that he has the fortitude to stand up to hateful and over-the-line rhetoric and time after time, he has failed to do so. If this is the ‘leadership’ he has shown on the campaign trail, what can the American people expect of him as commander-in-chief?”

    So those are the ground rules as established by the Obama Party and the gay and lesbian community. You must condemn things or you support them; a person in the crowd saying something is generalized to everyone; and everything said is absolutely morally equivalent, regardless of who or how many people say it.

    I simply play by their rules.

    And it dissolves them into quivering blobs of screaming, rabid, frothing Jello — because never once in their lifetimes did they expect said rules to be applied to them Those were simply rules they created to hamstring conservatives, appeal to conservatives’ sense of fairness, etc. — and with the intention that they could ignore them at will.

    Are there better rules? Of course. But operating by what you have laid out is not realistic in the environment created by the Obama Party and their rules; it would be like fighting the Taliban using squirt guns.

    And, like the Taliban, the Obama Party and the gay and lesbian community scream foul and war crime when you turn their own tactics back against them.

    When the Obama Party and the gay and lesbian community are either overcome or cowed into good behavior, then the rules of civility and such that you mention can be applied. But until then, conservatives need not, and should not, unilaterally disarm.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 31, 2012 @ 11:10 pm - May 31, 2012

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