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Evil in Wisconsin

Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 12:18 am - August 6, 2012.
Filed under: Post 9-11 America

The nation has been traumatized for the second time in a few days more than that many weeks by another shooting, this time of a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.  A shooter murdered six people at this holy place before a police officer shot the murderer and “stopped a tragic event that could have been a lot worse,” as Oak Creek Police John Edwards put it.

We all feel as we did when we learned of the Colorado shooting, numbed by the senselessness of the action, reminded again of the persistence of evil.  Just as last month, our hearts go out to the victims and their families.  We pray for the survival — and speedy recovery — of those now hospitalized.

Mitt Romney released this statement:

Ann and I extend our thoughts and prayers to the victims of today’s shooting in Wisconsin. This was a senseless act of violence and a tragedy that should never befall any house of worship. Our hearts are with the victims, their families, and the entire Oak Creek Sikh community. We join Americans everywhere in mourning those who lost their lives and in prayer for healing in the difficult days ahead.

Reporting as the story was unfolding, R.S. McCain restates what should be “obvious: We don’t yet know who the shooter was. We don’t know his motive, or his political affiliations.

As details emerged, he provided more information about the shooter.  Let us not jump to conclusions until the evidence is in.  For now, we should stand together as a nation and pray for the victims.

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  1. I’ve only read headlines and a few bits here and there. From what I understand, the shooter was white and this is being called an act of terrorism. Thought it strange since you could be Muslim and scream “Allahu Akhbar!” and it would just be shrugged off as workplace violence.

    Comment by TGC — August 6, 2012 @ 12:54 am - August 6, 2012

  2. More sadness, 🙁

    Comment by rusty — August 6, 2012 @ 2:36 am - August 6, 2012

  3. And ask ourselves why there are so many of these mass shootings going on now ? My personal view is that the Marxists in the White House have stirred up so much anger and rage that the nut jobs out there have been ignited to
    act out their crazyness. I think it is both the economy and the hostility engendered by this group in thugs in the WH>

    Comment by martin j smith — August 6, 2012 @ 7:08 am - August 6, 2012

  4. This many murders happen on any given Saturday in Chicago, but no one cares; because Chicago is Democratland I guess.

    Comment by V the K — August 6, 2012 @ 7:26 am - August 6, 2012

  5. If the guy entered a building with “30 or 40 people” inside and only killed 4, and then went outside and still had enough bullets to shoot a police officer (outside the building) 7 times, does that suggest that he was targeting someone in particular?

    If he had ammunition left, and if he intended to die in the attack, then why not continue shooting inside the temple?

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 8:38 am - August 6, 2012

  6. Another observation:

    The victims were most likely ‘Indian’ due to their Sikh faith. I noticed that the native language of some ‘Punjab’, is spoken in India and parts of Pakistan, and MAY BE spoken in southern Afghanistan.

    If this was intended to be an attack on Muslims, could this be the source of the shooter’s confusion?

    (Languages of that region of the world would include: Hindi, Urdu, Pashto, and Punjab, among others)

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 8:49 am - August 6, 2012

  7. OK, may last observation is out.

    If he was discharged from the military in 1998 after serving six years, then he wouldn’t necessarily have come into contact with a ‘Punjab’ speaker speaker before. US soldiers weren’t involved in that area of the world between 1992 and 1996.

    (You’d think that a US military officer who had served in Afghan theater would be able to recognize that Sikhs are not Muslims. The people would look the same, but the details would be all wrong.)

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 9:02 am - August 6, 2012

  8. I am going to wait for the “had a history of mental illness” announcement because it seems the vast majority of mass shootings tend to inolve somebody with a mental illness.

    Comment by Just Me — August 6, 2012 @ 10:19 am - August 6, 2012

  9. Nut cases fulfill their desires by responding to the voices in their heads. Their “reality” is disturbing to us, but quite calming to them. Rarely, does a Hinckley, Hasam, Holmes, etc. nutcase get grabbed screaming at himself for what he had just “accomplished.”

    This shooter is a nut case. Whether he turns out to be liberal, conservative, fundamentalist, atheist, supremacist, diversity magpie or what, it is the insanity that pulled the trigger.

    Those who insist that the “root cause” of this guy’s actions can be caught, ameliorated and redirected by social engineering are as crazy as he is. Just not as dangerous.

    Comment by heliotrope — August 6, 2012 @ 10:19 am - August 6, 2012

  10. it seems the vast majority of mass shootings tend to inolve somebody with a mental illness

    … and a situation where no one else is carrying.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 6, 2012 @ 10:32 am - August 6, 2012

  11. Does ‘Nazi’ qualify as a mental illness?

    Wade Michael Page is/was a member of a band called ‘End Apathy’. Here is there MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/endapathyband.

    Also, isn’t more likely that his tattoo read ‘311’, and not ‘911’, as some of the victims reported?

    Hate Symbols / ‘311’ – Anti-Defamation League
    http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_311.asp

    “The eleventh letter of the alphabet is the letter “K”; thus 3 times 11 equals “KKK,” or Ku Klux Klan. 311 is sometimes used as a greeting to demonstrate membership in the KKK or simply sympathy with the Klan and its ideology. There is also a popular rock band with the name “311” which is not at all hate-oriented.”

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 10:59 am - August 6, 2012

  12. See!

    It’s what I’ve been telling you guys for all these years…. Don’t trust guitarists!

    Signed: The Bass Player.

    PS. Maybe this was all a publicity stunt to sell more records.

    (is it too soon)

    Comment by sonicfrog — August 6, 2012 @ 11:10 am - August 6, 2012

  13. Kinda, yeah. Prayers to the families of the victims.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 6, 2012 @ 11:16 am - August 6, 2012

  14. So why is the Washington Post dedicating so much ink to the fact that in the 90s’ the shooter was a member of the military? Why do they jump on every smidgen of a chance to demean the military? Unless of course it’s a Muslim shooter – then nothing is said, but his victims are quickly forgotten.

    Comment by Leah — August 6, 2012 @ 11:16 am - August 6, 2012

  15. Leah, never miss a chance to remain quiet while your adversary is shooting themselves in the foot.

    I want the Barack Obama Party and the Barack Obama media to go on a tear about how all military members and veterans are crazed right-wing racist lunatics who should be held in utmost suspicion and assumed guilty until proven innocent.

    Indeed, the GOP should point out how the Barack Obama Party has ALWAYS called our military “uninvited and unwanted intruders”, accused them of war crimes, called them racists, and even said that they should be captured and tortured by our enemies.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 6, 2012 @ 12:07 pm - August 6, 2012

  16. Time for US Sikhs to start carrying more than just a Kirpan…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

    Comment by Delta — August 6, 2012 @ 12:21 pm - August 6, 2012

  17. Here we go again! Another mass shooting. Another opportunity for the gun grabbers to scream, ¨gun control.¨ I thought I was the only one who thought that there has become a frequency in these occurrences but martin j. smith, above expressed the same. Isn´t it a coincidence that it happened shortly after the Arms Transfer Treaty failed in the U.N. and the Small Arms Treaty is pending? Of course Wisconsin and Aurora, CO. will be used as arguments to gain support by the world wide left wing hypocrites. They condemned the massacre in Rwanda in which 800,000 were killed but without one shot being fired, because the assassins used machetes. Did anybody on the left urge control of machetes? Human rights groups were silent about that. Here in El Salvador they keep pushing to disarm the citizens when 65% of homicides are by firearms. The remainder are by knives, machetes and rocks. They never seem, to get it. Guns do not kill, people kill; and with whatever they can get hands on. Gays and lesbians should arm themselves, (I did) remembering that an armed gay is a living gay. Having done that join gun groups like Pink Pistols, NRA, National Association for Gun Rights, and a state organization like the California Rifle and Pistol Association. We must stand firm and defend our Second Amendment Rights with the same vigor that we do for our First Amendment Rights.

    Comment by Roberto — August 6, 2012 @ 12:35 pm - August 6, 2012

  18. The local liberals are posting “The Tea Party is the right’s modern version of the KKK”, “The hate speech of the Tea Party is driving these people to kill.”

    Comment by TnnsNE1 — August 6, 2012 @ 12:38 pm - August 6, 2012

  19. Does ‘Nazi’ qualify as a mental illness?

    Sure does in my book.

    Whenever a people allow themselves to place their health and well being in the hands of a dictatorial, militant, dogmatic government the whole society has gone nuts. If Naziism was the answer, what was the question?

    This shooter guy apparently attached himself to a dictatorial, militant, dogmatic solution for whatever it was that rang his bell. Unless his “manifesto” turns up, we will never really know how the worm turned in his diseased brain.

    I would be remiss in my own “dogma” if I did not point out that the Obamanauts will lie, demur, turn away, babble, cheat and steal for the realization of their brand of utopian dictatorial, militant, dogmatic nanny state and the imposition of selective social justice by the “necessary” police arm of the nanny state.

    Comment by heliotrope — August 6, 2012 @ 12:42 pm - August 6, 2012

  20. RIP.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — August 6, 2012 @ 1:11 pm - August 6, 2012

  21. I asked about bringing a kirpan to work (I’m not a Sikh, it was a hypothetical). They didn’t know how to react since we do have a policy of allowing religious items at work.

    Then I asked if I claimed being part of the Order of the Poor Knights of the Temple of Solomon and my faith required me to carry a broadsword…

    My HR department hates me.

    Comment by The_Livewire — August 6, 2012 @ 1:55 pm - August 6, 2012

  22. Psychologically speaking, I would guess that all feelings of supremacy are narcissistic.

    The fact that a person doesn’t separate his identity status from his chosen group would make this a case of ‘Collective Narcissism’.

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 1:56 pm - August 6, 2012

  23. My hypothesis: I think the frequency of this sort of thing can be explained by one of two things. Either it’s a coincidence, or there are copycats. Based on what I know now, this doesn’t look to me like it was a copycat of the shooting in Colorado at least, but I would think it would only take one mass shooting at some point to inspire other deranged people to do the same.

    Of course, only a person with significant mental problems would ever do something like this. It’s probably possible that the political atmosphere could have been a catalyst in this and other shootings, but there has always been a political atmosphere, so I would guess that it has nothing do with the apparent increased frequency of these attacks.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — August 6, 2012 @ 2:27 pm - August 6, 2012

  24. Either it’s a coincidence

    Events follow a probability distribution (usually, the Poisson) which is spikier or more clustered than human beings would intuit.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 6, 2012 @ 3:39 pm - August 6, 2012

  25. My sympathies to those affected by this outrage. The natural reaction to this event is horror that it happened and disgust for the perp. I’m relieved that the perp is dead… I hope death wasn’t too quick.

    But the real revulsion comes from politicization. Not only the gun grabbers and self-loathing Americans are all in but now we have the Indian government blaming the US… wanting the full kowtow from HRC. Bollocks. Again, my sympathies, for what they’re worth, are with the victims. But to the Indian government – piss off.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — August 6, 2012 @ 7:06 pm - August 6, 2012

  26. Headline on Drudge says that the firearm was bought legally. But how is that possible?

    A dishonorable discharge should have prevented him from owning or possessing a firearm. Was the dishonorable discharge another example of mainstream media mis-reporting?

    Maybe they intentionally left off the part about him being ineligible?

    http://www.militarydefenselawyers.net/dishonorable-discharge-consequences/

    “US Federal law prohibits those who have been dishonorably removed from the services from owing or using a firearm of any sort.”

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 8:50 pm - August 6, 2012

  27. Oh, I think I understand. The New York Times link (via Drudge) says that the gun was legally purchased, but it doesn’t say if it was purchased by the shooter.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/us/army-veteran-identified-as-suspect-in-wisconsin-shooting.html?hp

    The gunman, carrying a 9 millimeter semiautomatic handgun that was legally purchased, , entered the temple between 10:15 and 10:25 a.m. Sunday, police officials said, and soon began firing at priests gathered in the lobby.

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 8:58 pm - August 6, 2012

  28. At least the MSM didn’t try to pin this one on the Tea Party. Hopefully they’ve learned their lessons.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — August 6, 2012 @ 9:21 pm - August 6, 2012

  29. Now the source, CNN, won’t confirm the ‘dishonorable discharge’ claim that THEY originally made.

    How about if the MSM just keeps its yap shut until it gets the facts right!

    Comment by gastorgrab — August 6, 2012 @ 10:40 pm - August 6, 2012

  30. Better yet, don’t depend on CNN for facts.
    I heard (Prager radio and Fox News) that the shooter had received a general discharge.

    Comment by jman1961 — August 6, 2012 @ 11:07 pm - August 6, 2012

  31. gastorgab- the sources I’ve seen say “Other Than Honorable Discharge”, not “Dishonorable Discharge”. OTH is conduct that brings disrepute onto the uniform or that could result in jail time: it can mean you did a hit-and-run, or had a habit of showing up drunk for duty, or your spouse divoriced you for adultery (in this case, alcohol was involved). It’s bad behavior but not out and out felonious stuff, and by itself wouldn’t bar the recipient from legally possessing a firearm.

    Comment by DaveP. — August 7, 2012 @ 4:22 am - August 7, 2012

  32. This article is filed under post-9/11. Two major precedents for this event, among others, occurred before 9/11.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — August 7, 2012 @ 11:40 am - August 7, 2012

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