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Bloodshed and Invective in the District of Columbia

We here at GayPatriot have never been fans of the Family Research Council (FRC).  And much as we disagree with many of that social conservative organization’s policies, particularly its narrow (and often inaccurate) portrayal of gay Americans, we disagree as well with those, including the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center, who dub FRC a “hate group.”  As John Hinderaker puts it, “gay activists and their allies have consistently smeared the Family Research Council as a ‘hate group’ because it supports traditional marriage.

Support for traditional marriage does not, however, necessarily mean hatred of gay people.

Yet, given that the man who shot a guard at the Family Research Center in Washington, D.C. yesterday had volunteered at a local gay and lesbian center, we need to ask if a different climate of hate , a climate that exists within all too many gay organizations and which we read on some gay left blogs, spurred him on.  Indeed, there are reports that the shooter  “made statements regarding [FRC’s] policies, and then opened fire with a gun striking a security guard“.

It is, to be sure, facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman’s act directly to Democratic or LGBT activists. But it is legitimate to hold gay organizations and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the a good number of threats against advocates of traditional marriage, setting the nation on edge. Many on the gay left have exploited the arguments of division, reaping media favor by demonizing Mormons (and other Christians), or social conservatives, or Republicans. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that social conservatives are not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.

And despite these arguments of divisions, to their credit, a number of gay and lesbian organizations released a joint statement yesterday condemning the shooting:

The motivation and circumstances behind today’s tragedy are still unknown, but regardless of what emerges as the reason for this shooting, we utterly reject and condemn such violence.  We wish for a swift and complete recovery for the victim of this terrible incident.

These groups need to do more than just condemn the attack; they should also examine how their harsh rhetoric may have contributed to it.

Some, however, just can’t seem to shake this “hate” rhetoric. Within hours of the shooting, Anne Sorock reports at Legal Insurrection, the Huffington Post “promoted on its front page” a piece by  an “’LGBT rights activist’ referring to the Family Research Council as an ‘extreme right-wing group’ and a ‘hate group’.”

Extreme (and misguided), some of FRC’s views may be, but the group promotes neither hate nor violence.  Will editorialists who attempted to link recent shootings to conservatives link this one to anti-social conservative invective on the gay left?  Will gay organizations (and gay left bloggers) examine their own readiness to define as “hate” any opposition to issues they support?

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  1. Vince and Levi will add, “Who cares, Amsterdam is, like, over in Europe or whatever.”

    Along with this: “(I)t’s important to show solidarity with them, but unfortunately there’s not a whole lot to be done for them at the moment.” (posted by Duke Nukem, Heroic Tough Guy….errr, Levi — August 16, 2012 @ 1:42 pm)

    Comment by jman1961 — August 17, 2012 @ 9:27 pm - August 17, 2012

  2. They might be too offended by the FRC to be able to fight a two front war. Let the Dutch take care of their own problems by equipping their gays with helmets and air bags.

    Comment by heliotrope — August 18, 2012 @ 7:16 am - August 18, 2012

  3. A little civics lesson: The 1st Amendment is a restraint on government limitations on free speech. The SPLC and those who agree with its assessment of the FRC as a hate group have nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. (Though I do find it interesting that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies use SPLC resources to prosecute various crimes.) Speech does not exist in a vacuum. Those who speak publicly about issues relating to minority groups should be well aware that their speech is subject to analysis and criticism.

    More American gay people were assaulted and murdered in 2011 than during any other year that statistics have been kept. (Source: FBI) This does not include unreported assaults.

    Here’s why they are considered a hate group. Note that these statements are in direct contradiction to their stated policy, as posted by Heliotrope:

    “[A]llowing homosexuals to openly serve in the military would likely result, for the first time, in heterosexuals being forced to cohabit with those who may view them as a potential sexual object.”
    — Peter Sprigg, “Homosexual Assault in the Military,” 2010

    “[W]elcoming open homosexuality in the military would clearly damage the readiness and effectiveness of the force – in part because it would increase the already serious problem of homosexual assault in the military.”
    — Peter Sprigg, “Homosexual Assault in the Military,” 2010

    “Since homosexual conduct is associated with higher rates of sexual promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, mental illness, substance abuse, and domestic violence, it too qualifies as a behavior that is harmful to the people who engage in it and to society at large.”
    — Tony Perkins, “Christian compassion requires the truth about the harms of homosexuality,” Washington Post, 10/25/2010

    “We believe the evidence shows … that relative to the size of their population, homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are heterosexual men.”
    — Peter Sprigg, “Debating Homosexuality: Understanding Two Views.” 2011.

    “Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
    — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

    “[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
    — Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

    “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets’ of a new sexual order.”
    -1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

    “[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
    — Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

    “While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
    — FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

    They can’t really walk this one back. It’s disgusting and defamatory. Not worthy of shooting the place up – nothing is. But blaming the SPLC for this is a lot like a school bully blaming the class nerd for finally snapping and punching him in the face.

    Finally, North Dallas 30 and Jman1961 seem to be a trifle screamy, at the expense of their credibility.

    Comment by Lon — August 19, 2012 @ 8:07 am - August 19, 2012

  4. Lon, nothing in the quotations you offer from the FRC folk suggests they are a hate group. Everything though does suggest a narrow, inaccurate and jaundiced, even loopy, views of a gays.

    You’re right; it’s wrong to blame the SPLC for this. But it’s also wrong to call FRC a hate group.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — August 19, 2012 @ 12:06 pm - August 19, 2012

  5. Oh, Lon, you and yours amuse me.

    We can break this down rather easily.

    In regard to children:

    Here are gays and lesbians demanding the age of consent stay low.

    Here are gays and lesbians dressing children as sexual objects and taking them to a sex fair.

    And here is a full listing from NAMBLA of all the resolutions passed in support of them by the ILGA, representing the international gay and lesbian community.

    You can’t walk those back, Lon. The FRC repeated what you yourself and your fellow gays and lesbians are saying.

    You’re throwing a fit and blaming them for actually taking the gay community at its words.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 19, 2012 @ 12:33 pm - August 19, 2012

  6. And now, Lon, in regard to disease and sexual promiscuity:

    The rates of sexually transmitted diseases are exponentially higher among gay men.

    The rates among children and teens in the United States are double that of sub-Saharan Africa.

    And the overall statistics speak for themselves.

    So if you repeat what the CDC has scientifically determined and proven, you’re a “hate group”.

    That sounds a lot like you screaming and trying to shift responsibility instead of manning up and taking the blame for the values and actions you and the rest of the gay and lesbian community endorse and practice.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 19, 2012 @ 12:38 pm - August 19, 2012

  7. And as far as homosexuality and religious belief being incompatible, ask Dan Savage, Chai Feldblum, and Evan Hurst, all of whom make it clear that homosexuality is anti-religion.

    Again, why do you blame people for taking your statements at face value?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 19, 2012 @ 1:30 pm - August 19, 2012

  8. Hey, Lon, let’s try it this way:

    Finally, I’m seeming to be a trifle screamy, at the expense of my credibility.

    Comment by Lon(g) on Hysterics and Exaggeration, Short on Facts’ — August 19, 2012 @ 8:07 am

    Do you leftists EVER grow up and stop sounding like spoiled and bratty 6 year old girls?

    Comment by jman1961 — August 19, 2012 @ 1:54 pm - August 19, 2012

  9. No, asshole, YOU learn how to read … you POS … I don’t need YOUR permission, you obnoxious little pr**k … you little bitch … You better watch yourself, a-hole. Reckless little c*nts like you can wind up getting hurt … grow the f*ck up … Captain Asshole … Steaming Pile of S**t … Petulant Little Prick … dumbf*ck … bon appetit!

    Comment by Cinesnatch — August 19, 2012 @ 3:42 pm - August 19, 2012

  10. CS, those comments seem like Jman, but I could be wrong 😉

    Comment by rusty — August 19, 2012 @ 4:37 pm - August 19, 2012

  11. Although, that quote would be more appropriately assigned to a sassy, yet foul mouthed, middle schooler. . .after a disappointing Beiber concert.

    Comment by rusty — August 19, 2012 @ 4:43 pm - August 19, 2012

  12. Oopsy Bieber. . .

    Comment by rusty — August 19, 2012 @ 4:44 pm - August 19, 2012

  13. B. Daniel said, “Lon, nothing in the quotations you offer from the FRC folk suggests they are a hate group.”

    It seems that your highest priority is to be well liked by raging bigots rather than stand up for yourself. If, on the off-chance that they actually do like you a little bit, it would be because you always remember your place.

    Comment by Richard R — August 19, 2012 @ 5:50 pm - August 19, 2012

  14. Rusty, when you wrote bieber concert, I first read breitbart convention.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — August 19, 2012 @ 6:46 pm - August 19, 2012

  15. Comment by Cinesnatch — August 19, 2012 @ 3:42 pm – August 19, 2012

    Poor CineTwat, you must have worked for hours to come up with that.
    And this says what exactly? That YOU are a paragon of class and virtue? That YOU established the paradigm that everyone here should follow when commenting?
    Not all of those that you posted were directed at YOU, but they might just as well have been; they fit you to a tee. And you’ve definitely brought put the best in other posters here. Should I compile the catalog of ‘sweet hossanahs’ that they’ve sent your way?
    No, I didn’t think so……….
    I see you brought along Rustard. How nice for you, a cheering section of one.
    What happened to your girlfriend Levi?

    Comment by jman1961 — August 19, 2012 @ 7:34 pm - August 19, 2012

  16. hours

    Minutes. It all came from mostly one thread and I’m pretty quick with the keyboard.

    And this says what exactly?

    Whatever you want it to mean, gayman1961.

    Should I compile the catalog of ‘sweet hossanahs’ that they’ve sent your way?

    Don’t bother. I saved you the trouble. Here’s a recent oldie, but goodie from the archives:

    “Go f*ck yourself. Your comments are passive-aggressive – often enough that probably you are, too. Typical leftie evasion. Lobbing stink bombs like a junior high schooler trying to get even. Why not just openly be a bitchy left-wing troll. We all know that in your heart, you are one. You don’t fool anybody, with your periodic shows of “reform” that last all of ten seconds. You do fool some well-meaning people. [You] mis-represent … actual views and actions. Passive-aggressive, lying, narcissistic. You are so……. completely…… full of it. You’re up to at least two lies now. Pathetic.”

    Take a guess.

    xoxo,
    Regards,
    Cinesnatch

    Comment by Cinesnatch — August 19, 2012 @ 8:41 pm - August 19, 2012

  17. Here’s another one for your ‘Library of Mean and Nasty Comments That Other People have Posted About ME, ME, ME’:
    It’s too bad that you’ve wasted all of the time that Heliotrope (and everyone else ) has spent on you, you obnoxious little fairy.
    How does that one rate in with the others in that vast library of your’s, Perpetual Victim CineQueer?

    Comment by jman1961 — August 19, 2012 @ 9:01 pm - August 19, 2012

  18. Or, Vince the Vacuous, is it that your trolling here for boyfriends has resulted in ZERO interest in you? Is that why you’re angry?
    You know, it’s a good thing you have this place (GP) to vent that anger, “rather than shooting up a group of people”.
    Can you guess who wrote that, asshole?
    Pathetic little CineSnot: no one who’s approval he so desperately desires will waste the time to affirm his meaningless existence.
    How sad.

    Comment by jman1961 — August 19, 2012 @ 9:11 pm - August 19, 2012

  19. Jman, There you go again judging how helio is spending his for him. Just a guess, but the man can make decisions for himself. But you’ve already been told that once. Helio has earned my respect over the last two years and though he has come down on me in the past (sometimes justifiably), He has never come close to acting in your knee-jerk emotional style. Wisdom with age, etc, i imagine, but my guess Is that he has carried himself with dignity his whole life. But, hey, maybe he agrees with your opinion of me. Perhaps it would assuage your ego if he came out right and sang your praises, as you’re demonstrating, his opinion of me is very important to you.

    is it that your trolling here for boyfriends has resulted in ZERO interest in you?

    you’ve also demonstrated yourself to be quite literal and dense, so this comment doesn’t surprise me. No, not looking for boyfriend on Internet or GP. But, yes, I have generated some interest here on that front through my associations with this blog. So feel free to place that in your pie hole. Either end, your choice. But, you sound like you might benefit from one more than the other.

    What’s sad is how easy it is to pick you apart. Perhaps kind of sad is that one bothers with someone with crosshairs stamped on their chest.

    Perhaps if you just stop trying to one up me as you bury yourself, you won’t hear a peep out of me. Or keep trying to have the last word. Eventually, I’ll get bored with you and move on.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — August 20, 2012 @ 1:08 am - August 20, 2012

  20. And, Cinesnatch makes YET ANOTHER thread… about himself.

    Hint: Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to respond to… anybody. Or even to read them.

    The quote collections, Cinesnatch, are particularly narcissistic. Since you clearly assemble them with care, adding bits over time, carefully stripped of context (i.e. of your poor actions which inspired them), so that you may feel the more persecuted.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 20, 2012 @ 1:57 am - August 20, 2012

  21. @ILC,

    Given the times when I’ve used Levi’s own words to damn him, including the links so he can’t scream about ‘out of context’, should I take Vince’s pale, flawed attempts to do the same as a form of flattery?

    I know I’m flattered when my 10 year old godson tries to emulate my painting style on minis.

    Comment by The_Livewire — August 20, 2012 @ 8:08 am - August 20, 2012

  22. Heh 🙂 Problem is, TL, that you really don’t strip Levi’s quotes of context. (And do provide links, etc.) So imitation is still flattery, but the right comparison is less to a kid imitating your efforts in joy; more to a vandal trying to deface or pervert your efforts in malice.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 20, 2012 @ 9:26 am - August 20, 2012

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