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Obama didn’t give up golf to spend time with his children on Father’s Day (when he played his 100th round of golf as president)

Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 8:36 pm - September 2, 2012.
Filed under: Liberal Hypocrisy,Obama Watch

Just nine months into the Obama presidency“, wrote Dan Spencer on RedState on June 17th

the New York Post reported that Obama surpassed former President George W. Bush on the number of days spent on the golf course when Obama played a round of golf for the 24th time in his presidency — a milestone it took Bush almost three years to reach.

On that same day, CBS News reported

President Obama spent about 4 hours on Father’s Day playing a round of golf at the Beverly Country Club with two old friends and an aide. It was his 100th round of golf since taking office.

(Emphasis added) Father’s Day?  Father’s Day?  You’d think a man who uses his children as an excuse for not doing his job would spend Father’s Day with them:

President Barack Obama dismissed criticism he doesn’t spend enough time developing relationships with Washington deal-makers who can help push his agenda forward.

In an exclusive interview with CNN chief White House correspondent Jessica Yellin, Obama said he is determined to make time for his family.

“Sometimes Michelle and I not doing the circuit and going out to dinners with folks is perceived as us being cool,” Obama said. “It actually really has more to do with us being parents.”

UPDATE/CLARIFICATION: The purpose of this post is not to suggest that Obama is a bad father, rather, as per one of the categories in which I included it (“Liberal Hypocrisy”) that he’s a hypocrite.   I agree with U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) said that Republicans’ problem with President Obama was “isn’t that he’s a bad person. By all accounts, he too is a good husband, and a good father — and thanks to lots of practice, a pretty good golfer.

By all accounts, he does seem to be a good father.

Like many parents with time-consuming jobs, he could have made choices.  Given the time he devotes to his children, he would have to give up some of his recreation, like golf.  He could have used that time to do the schmoozing essential to his job.

How many parents give up going to the movies so they can do their jobs and spend time with their children.

I apologize for any misunderstanding this post crafted in haste may have caused.

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93 Comments

  1. Presiden Obama is a 12 year old.

    Comment by John — September 2, 2012 @ 8:42 pm - September 2, 2012

  2. Give him a title. Tell the Democratic Party they’re in charge. Don’t let them really run anything. Kind of a figurehead environment.

    Hmm…Wait a minute, I started out thinking I was snarky, making a joke. Now I’m concerned that may already be what’s going on.

    Comment by Rock — September 2, 2012 @ 9:02 pm - September 2, 2012

  3. What a small pathetic man we have as president. He is such a “sad sack” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Sack. Sad sack is the short version of “sad sack of shit.”

    He is like pornography – he has no “socially redeeming value.”

    God, it is pathetic to see what he says and does every day. If I was a liberal democrat I think I would commit seppuku!!!!!

    Comment by mixitup — September 2, 2012 @ 9:20 pm - September 2, 2012

  4. 100 rounds in 3.5 years. That’s about one every TEN DAYS.

    He ought to be beating Tiger Woods by now.

    Comment by Spotted Reptile — September 2, 2012 @ 10:44 pm - September 2, 2012

  5. If the TOTUS had used even half those rounds bending the ears…and arms…of political and business leaders to get the Economy going, I’d be all for it. But he typically only golfs with his sycophants aides.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — September 3, 2012 @ 12:24 am - September 3, 2012

  6. Still don’t understand the ppl who still consider him likeable. He is likeable like a broomstick up one’s ass. I guess the racist meme is still strong

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 2:52 am - September 3, 2012

  7. Isn’t golf supposed to be a white elitist sport? Then why is His Royal Highness playing the game? Perhaps because his white half likes it while his black half enjoys basketball?

    Comment by davinci — September 3, 2012 @ 8:06 am - September 3, 2012

  8. Nothing is ever his fault-even throwing his family under the bus. I do however believe that mooch demands him home at a certain time every day; keeping tab on himbecause of her own insecurities.
    Let’s also be frank, they have no friends-they are a very unlikeable couple.

    Comment by cali — September 3, 2012 @ 9:03 am - September 3, 2012

  9. Of course, it’s not enough to dislike Obama for his policies and personality, we have to assume he hates his children, too. This on a blog that laments people not recognizing Mitt Romney’s empathy…

    Comment by Levi — September 3, 2012 @ 9:11 am - September 3, 2012

  10. Um, that’s because Mitt Romney has actually demonstrated empathy. We’re setting up a contrast with Obamandias, here.

    Comment by V the K — September 3, 2012 @ 9:20 am - September 3, 2012

  11. Let’s also be frank, they have no friends-they are a very unlikeable couple.

    Now that you’ve mentioned it, you never hear about any of their friends visiting the White House, and they hardly-ever go back to Chicago to visit. I guess any friends they did have have been thrown-under-the-bus, or are under investigation or jail like his former best-friend Rezko. And you NEVER hear about them going out or attending any parties where money isn’t changing hands being raised for the Campaign.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — September 3, 2012 @ 9:54 am - September 3, 2012

  12. If ten year olds talked politics on the playground, I can’t expect it would be much different than this. Next topic: could Mitt’s dad beat up Barack’s?

    Comment by Levi — September 3, 2012 @ 11:08 am - September 3, 2012

  13. Unh huh, we should be more mature and sophisticated like the liberals at the Huffington Post and mediaite giggling because Romney said “Papaya” which means vajayjay in Cuban. Now, there’s an adult level of political discourse that in no way resembles ten year olds giggling on a playground.

    Comment by V the K — September 3, 2012 @ 11:34 am - September 3, 2012

  14. Oh, and here’s another great moment in progressive left honesty: putting a quote from a Paul Ryan speech at one location beneath a photo of Paul Ryan at a different location to advance the “Ryan’s a Liar’ meme.

    Yeah, you guys just keep on whining about how terrible it is to make factual observations about your Dear Reader.

    Comment by V the K — September 3, 2012 @ 11:38 am - September 3, 2012

  15. Yeah, you guys just keep on whining about how terrible it is to make factual observations about your Dear Reader.

    What’s your factual observation? That Obama is a terrible father because he played golf on Father’s Day?

    And since you’re still using the teleprompter line of attack against Obama, I suppose you’ve been diligently making sure that all the Republicans you’re so fond of haven’t been using teleprompters at all for the past few years, right? That’s Ryan, Romney, everyone at the convention – no one used a teleprompter, right? This is important, because a little while ago all the conservatives decided that using teleprompters was a mark of weakness and stupidity and being a terrible parent.

    Comment by Levi — September 3, 2012 @ 11:48 am - September 3, 2012

  16. Thanks again for your deeply insightful contributions, Levi.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — September 3, 2012 @ 12:02 pm - September 3, 2012

  17. 100 rounds in 3.5 years. That’s about one every TEN DAYS.

    He ought to be beating Tiger Woods by now.

    I’m betting he cheats.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — September 3, 2012 @ 12:04 pm - September 3, 2012

  18. Opponents see rounds of golf as an opportunity to charge a president is a slacker, not focused on the responsibilities of his office. Supporters cheer his ability to take a few hours to refresh and revitalize. They accuse me of giving his critics ammunition to use against him.
    Via the CBS link

    Folk can chitter chatter about where Presidents spend there time.

    Yes, that’s 487 days. And Camp David is not even where the president has spent the most time when not at the White House: Knoller reports that Mr. Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4728085-503544.html

    Most folk will acknowledge that a round of golf can provide time for relaxation, but a round of golf also provides for chitter chatter and precious reflection time even with friends, colleagues, advisors and staff.

    As far as the Obamas getting out. . .well that is pretty much a logistics nightmare for any President. Tis easier for folk like Bush and Obama to hunker down in familiar quarters. Not only is it a nightmare for the Secret Service, social affair organizer get totally had tied when it comes with a visit for a president or his family

    Comment by rusty — September 3, 2012 @ 12:28 pm - September 3, 2012

  19. Organizers get hand tied. . .

    Comment by rusty — September 3, 2012 @ 12:29 pm - September 3, 2012

  20. Still sad because the sand sculpture washed away, rusty and Levi?

    Comment by V the K — September 3, 2012 @ 12:55 pm - September 3, 2012

  21. “….we have to assume he HATES his children, too.”

    Your words and your’s alone.

    Next topic: could Mitt’s dad beat up Barack’s?

    What a delightful, delicious Freudian slip!

    Whose dad abandoned his multiple children, wives, responsibilities? Whose dad was a devoted family man who led by example and was always there when he was needed? Whose dad was a dyspeptic hater and searcher for revenge and retribution? Whose dad was the pillar of decency and bedrock principles? Which dad is clearly the biological father as well as the progenitor of character, morality and trustworthiness?

    all the conservatives decided that using teleprompters was a mark of weakness and stupidity and being a terrible parent.

    Citations please:

    all the conservatives decided that:

    √ using teleprompters was a mark of weakness

    √ using teleprompters was a mark of stupidity

    √ using teleprompters was a mark of being a terrible parent.

    What’s your factual observation? That Obama is a terrible father because he played golf on Father’s Day?

    In order to “celebrate” Father’s Day, you have to have children.

    Father’s Day is the day when the children celebrate the father in the family and the father reciprocates by being an extra-good dad. Maybe the family “takes” him to lunch, but he chooses the place the family most likes to go.

    Get it? F•A•M•I•L•Y ! If the family is young, it might be the zoo! Or the place where kids get balloons. Or picnic at the park where other kids and dads play softball.

    Dad can play golf the next day when his kids are not celebrating him. Dad can go to the bar and get loaded tomorrow. Dad can put his narcissistic drive in a can for twenty four hours and pay attention to fatherhood for one, measly day. Mom can even suspend the rules on transfats and grind her teeth while the family eats pizza and ice cream.

    What’s to understand?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 3, 2012 @ 1:30 pm - September 3, 2012

  22. Next thing, President Obama played golf on Valentine Day’s …. so he is cheating on his wife. He played golf on Christmas … it ain’t a Christian, he’s Mmmmuusssllliiimmmm! Golf on Memorial Day … so he HATES our troops. Golf on Labor Day … he hates the American worker (but he’s still a socialist). Independence Day … he’s hates America (obviously, he doesn’t need to play golf on the 4th to confirm this). His birthday … he hates himself and, remember, he was born in Kenya! Halloween … he’s gay, because he doesn’t like women dressing slutty. Oh, no, it means he hates gays, because it’s the gayest holiday of the year, because he’d rather play golf. New Year’s Eve … he hates the future. President’s Day … (see birthday) and he hates his predecessors as well. Groundhog Day … he hates his own shadow, but only when the Winter’s are longer. Thanksgiving … he hates irony. MLK … he hates blacks.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 2:27 pm - September 3, 2012

  23. Skipping out on his kids to play golf on Father’s Day can be seen as evidence that Obama cares more about golf than his family.

    Skipping out on his Jobs Council to play golf 10 times and attend 106 fundraisers can be seen as evidence that Obama cares more about golf than unemployed Americans.

    Comment by V the K — September 3, 2012 @ 2:37 pm - September 3, 2012

  24. “9.Of course, it’s not enough to dislike Obama for his policies and personality, we have to assume he hates his children, too. ”

    Considering that beside empty brained liberals like yourself we have pretty much established a long ago that he is a narcissist to the core, by definition, narcissists love only themselves (the sound of their voices, their face plastered on every wall etc).

    What part of the above you do not understand?

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 2:48 pm - September 3, 2012

  25. Cinesnatch

    Your Dem buddy Bill Clinton recorded an ad to try to push the empty chair. The ad narrates more or less like this:

    Bill Clinton says “Just imagine what the downside would have been for Obama if the Seals would have been captured or killed”

    So in this ad approved by the empty chair campaign he clearly states that soldiers killed in missions are merely an ‘image’ problem for him.

    Remember the ad has been APPROVED by the campaign.

    So yes, definately I can say he does not possess any empathy for anybody but himself, especially if we are talking about members of the military who generally do not vote for him.

    Try to spin this and tell us he is a compassionate individual.

    About him not liking his wife, who wouldn’t? After all even J. Kennedy was paid an incredible amount of money not to divorce from John Kennedy. Michelle Obama has received immense power thanks to her marriage, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see their union is just a matter of interests and power.

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 2:55 pm - September 3, 2012

  26. it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see their union is just a matter of interests and power.

    Susan, Your conspiracy theory is showing. Try standing more upright to hide it if you want to be taken seriously.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 3:07 pm - September 3, 2012

  27. Vince,

    Are you being coy or just weak minded?

    Obama has golfed and golfed and golfed and golfed and done precious little about tending to the business of the American economy, American jobs and supportive of American families.

    Golf is not the issue it is the metaphor for how Obama accepts the responsibility of leadership, of problem solving, of setting an example, of picking priorities, of being a role model.

    In this first term, he has (for the first time in his life) created a record. But, as he wrote in The Audacity of Hope:

    I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.

    Barack Obama is concealed, covert, deceptive, disguised, intangible, masked, obscured, unapparent, undisclosed, veiled, unknowable.

    And you support this chameleon because you are dazzled by what you think and desperately want to see. Lenin would be proud of Obama for having a vocal and dedicated following of people hooked on useful idiocy.

    Comment by heliotrope — September 3, 2012 @ 3:14 pm - September 3, 2012

  28. cine

    did you miss the memo that she was about to leave him when she relized what a loser he was? than chicago corruption money started to flow in and she suddenly realized getting a 300,000 salary a year to do absolutely nothing was ok with her mentality.

    It is not a conspiracy theory at all. There is so much material in what the Obama really are that nobody needs to create conspiracy theories.

    I see you willingly avoided commenting the inhumane ad I presented. Why? you are crying in a corner that your american idol doesn’t love bunnies and kitties as you expected?

    I throw another evergreen: when he said he did not wanted his daughter to be punished with a baby. What kind of low life talks like that?

    I personally don’t want that america is punished with more obama spawn, but he was talking about his likely niece/nephew.

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 3:27 pm - September 3, 2012

  29. Barack Obama is a 7 year old trapped in a 50-something year old body. He’s pathetic.

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — September 3, 2012 @ 3:48 pm - September 3, 2012

  30. Susan,

    John Podhoretz, a neoconservative had this to say about the book Edward Klein (the source of your scuttlebutt?) wrote concerning Hillary Clinton: “Thirty pages into it, I wanted to take a shower. Sixty pages into it, I wanted to be decontaminated. And 200 pages into it, I wanted someone to drive stakes through my eyes so I wouldn’t have to suffer through another word.”

    National Review, another staunch conservative voice: “Folks, there are plenty of arguments against Hillary Clinton, her policies, her views, her proposals, and her philosophies. This stuff ain’t it. Nobody on the right, left, or center ought to stoop to this level.”

    So, if you choose Edward Klein as your “source” of supposed Obama marital problems, please ignore Post #26 and wear your “facts” proudly. Because, Klein would never be in the business about selling books, now would he?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 4:05 pm - September 3, 2012

  31. 50-something

    Because you know, the real birth certificate hasn’t been released, right?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 4:06 pm - September 3, 2012

  32. Helio >> Countless GP commenters have used “the teleprompter” against Obama. Whenever it has been brought up, it wasn’t a neutral gesture, nor an attempt to point something positive out about the president.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 4:11 pm - September 3, 2012

  33. Yeah, we’ve mocked Obama for using a Teleprompter, but we didn’t make up a lie about it like the Democrats did about Ryan.

    Your moral equivalence fails again.

    Comment by V the K — September 3, 2012 @ 4:31 pm - September 3, 2012

  34. Cine, what’s wrong with staying with a person that can offer you a comfortable lifestyle (on taxpayers’ dime, yeah those white racists that made her proud only once in her lifetime?), Hillary did it, John Kerry did it, basically all democrats that counts have married their fortune, the others have inherited it from parents. According to this worldview, Michelle Obama stayed with her husband only when, after many meetings with Bill Ayers and the chicago political mafia, she saw some advantage… I repeat that for an inept like her, making 300,000 a year is winning the lottery.

    Other than that I see you are still crying and whining over one detail I mentioned conveniently avoiding the other elephant in the room.

    Would you sleep better at night knowing the 2 usurpers in the whitehouse love each other dearly? Does this make wonders for your self esteem? Is your entire life invested in keeping alive the black Camelot myth?

    Ok, then so be it, Michelle and bammy love each other dearly, after all I cannot think of 2 people that deserve each other more than them, both inept, intellectually lazy with an entitlement attitude, both way over their head, birds of a feather….

    Still no word on the extreme likeability of a man that thinks about his (already in shambles) reputation over the life of Marine SEALs? That is too much even for a fanboy like yourself.

    Anyway, when Michelle your belle’s ass will be shown the whitehouse door, we will see how much it will still be convenient for her to stay with the loser. Hillary did, but she was capable enough to have a sort of carreer. What the Kenyan couple ignore tho is that the Democratic party will treat them like Kryptonite and won’t let Michelle Antoniette or him anywhere near any substantial podium.

    Naturally she will revert back not being proud of her country. And you, in full battered wife syndrome, will keep on finding excuses for her and swoon at her unbelieavable sense of fashion.

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 4:36 pm - September 3, 2012

  35. cine about the teleprompter.

    Nobody started making jokes about obumbler and the teleprompter up untill the people noticed something:

    1) he brought teleprompters even in the speech at elementary school (in front of 6 years old or something)
    2) when left without a teleprompter he stumbles like a bumbling idiot.
    3) the sycophant press does not help by asking him idiot questions like “what humbles you the most?” find another president that was asked such softballs.

    Again what kind of idiot tells the press “I dont wanna see her punished with a baby”?

    What about CORPSE MEN?

    Reagan used cue cards and maybe earlier versions of teleprompter, but Reagan was a Einstein compared to this mental and moral midget.

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 4:45 pm - September 3, 2012

  36. Does this make wonders for your self esteem?

    No, but apparently, spreading gossip about two people whom you disdain does wonders for yours. So does using terms like “Michelle your belle’s ass” and “Kenyan couple.” For what it’s worth, I am no more enamored of Michelle Obama than I am of Laura Bush or Hillary Clinton.

    As far as marrying into wealth, living off family wealth … such fortunes are apolitical. At least, based on people whom I’ve come into contact with over the years.

    Have a nice weekend, Susan. And treat yourself to a stiff one.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 5:02 pm - September 3, 2012

  37. The TelepromTer is a slick tool that helps the guy who has to make a speech get the job done and done well.

    Addiction to the TelepromTer is worth a second look.

    When the TeleprompTer is the source of what you say, it is time to look at who puts the words on the TeleprompTer.

    If you do not see these observations as relevant to how any leader uses the TeleprompTer, then you are a captive bigot for your party.

    I don’t think G.W. Bush would have looked too good if he were reading from the TeleprompTer when he was leaning on the fireman atop the rubble at the 9-11 site immediately after the tragedy.

    It is not the TeleprompTer alone that is the metaphor, it is the empty suit sucking the words from the TeleprompTer that makes the TeleprompTer the metaphor. Which brings us to Obama: TeleprompTer+empty suit=Obama administration.

    He could change things by going spontaneous and speaking from his core principles from time to time. But, when he does, he comes out with “you didn’t built that” and legions of apologists have to insist that he was taken out of context and we didn’t hear what we heard and blah, blah, blah, blah.

    If Obama is such a great orator in the mold of Demosthenes, Reagan or King, why does he have such dependency of the TeleprompTer in the manner of Linus van Pelt and his security blanket?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 3, 2012 @ 5:07 pm - September 3, 2012

  38. “No, but apparently, spreading gossip about two people whom you disdain does wonders for yours. ”

    I never had more disdain for 2 people like I have of those 2. It pisses me off massively when I see the Peter Principle applied. With this financial crisis, lots of people are laid off or do not find a job, the idea that those 2 inept have had everything handed to them including the seat on the most powerful chair of the world enrages me to no end. It is a replication on the biggest scale of things you see in day to day life, but it doesn’t make it anymore right than see it on a grand scale.

    However I believe my hatred for them is less than the hatred of the immense number of your friends of the left who have been cruel to Sara Palin, her son Trig, Joe the plumber, the churches vandalized by gay activists after prop 8, the religious people bullied by your friend Dan Savage, the LGBT activist who tried to shoot the Family Center guard, and I limit myself to this, because I could go on till next christmas with the list.

    BTW, in terms of gossips, here is a NYTimes article on how obama is way over his head

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/us/politics/obama-plays-to-win-in-politics-and-everything-else.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

    Are you going to dismiss as gossip this one too? Has the NYTimes turned into a racist, pro-romney republican propaganda paper?

    “As far as marrying into wealth, living off family wealth … such fortunes are apolitical. At least, based on people whom I’ve come into contact with over the years. ”

    I was not talking about ordinary people, i was talking about prominent politicians. But do not use too many resources from your fatigued brain…

    “Have a nice weekend, Susan. And treat yourself to a stiff one.”

    on this side of the world it is monday, very far from the weekend, has your lamp genius barak obama also managed to change the calendar? from Gregorian to Barakian? After all he is the Messiah, I wonder how long till you start counting years from his birthdate (whatever you decide that is). How long till the fantards start calling 2012 = 51 AB (after barak)?

    Comment by susan — September 3, 2012 @ 5:27 pm - September 3, 2012

  39. Sorry I confused you for being American and living in the U.S. It’s Labor Day today, one of only six federally recognized holidays in the U.S. in the calendar.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 3, 2012 @ 5:43 pm - September 3, 2012

  40. Two things I do not really buy-the idea that Obama is a really nice guy (he sort of reminds me of my Uncle who loved to talk all about himself and who turns every conversation somehow back to him and all the wonderful things he has done) and that Obama is brilliant. Now I do not think Obama is stupid or anything, but I do not buy his brilliance.

    Oh and I will also add that I think he is an awful leader. He reminds me of the popular guy in high school who runs for class president because he likes the idea of the title, but then leaves the rest of the leadership to do all the work.

    Comment by Just Me — September 3, 2012 @ 6:11 pm - September 3, 2012

  41. I throw another evergreen: when he said he did not wanted his daughter to be punished with a baby. What kind of low life talks like that?

    Allow me to answer that: the average Democrat. So-called “progressives” LOVE humanity. They just hate actual people.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — September 3, 2012 @ 6:38 pm - September 3, 2012

  42. #38 – Susan, how prescient you are!! http://www.theblaze.com/stories/as-seen-at-the-dem-convention-the-calendar-that-uses-john-316-in-reference-to-obama/

    Unbelievable. Susan you hit that nail on the head.

    Comment by mixitup — September 3, 2012 @ 7:33 pm - September 3, 2012

  43. Susan you summed it all up, quite perfectly.

    And for those dimwits who continue to infest this blog, no I have not read Klein’s book, but I have learned enough about that creep for him to completely give me the creeps.

    Comment by StraightAussie — September 3, 2012 @ 10:58 pm - September 3, 2012

  44. betcha all miss the days of President Clinton when tearing someone down on how they conducted their personal lives was a lot easier.

    Comment by Kevin — September 4, 2012 @ 12:09 am - September 4, 2012

  45. Reagan used cue cards and maybe earlier versions of teleprompter, but Reagan was a Einstein compared to this mental and moral midget.

    The TelePrompTer version President Reagan used is pretty much the same style that’s used today, including by the Blamer-In-Chief. They’ve been around since the early 1960s; initially they were a television monitor with a camera attached to an automated scroll.

    The chief difference with President Reagan was that he was an actor in a former life (as critics who constantly brought up Bedtime For Bonzo loved to remind everyone). So he knew how to actually use a TelePrompTer as an assistive device, not as a crutch. He was also perfectly capable of ad-libbing when necessary, so that if the device was out of sync, he could still effectively carry on until it came back into sync. That, as has been stated, is something President Obama seems unable to do. His supporters, defenders, and apologists like to say he’s simply collecting his thoughts when there’s a synchronization gap, but in reality, he’s lost—hence the “Obumbler” moniker.

    Comment by RSG — September 4, 2012 @ 1:43 am - September 4, 2012

  46. Still don’t understand the ppl who still consider him likeable. He is likeable like a broomstick up one’s ass. I guess the racist meme is still strong

    I don’t think you’re far off, Susan; I have friends who think he’s the greatest thing since a car that gets 53 MPG (they have one of those, too). They would consider him eminently likable—someone you’d love to have dinner or a drink with. They are certain they would be impressed by his intellect, and wisdom, and charm.

    What they wouldn’t quite see (willingly or unwillingly) is how often he redirects the conversation to himself and what he is trying to do to for America. There are certain narcissists who can use charm to make themselves seem endearing and even sympathetic in the face of attacks. Such is a talent of one Barack Obama. As long as you are predisposed to want to like him, it’s easier of overlook all of his faults—or project them on to others (eg, Republicans).

    However, without exception, the people I know who support and think they like him are indeed operating under a heavy amount of white liberal guilt. They believe that what was done to African-Americans and their descendants in the past was the most evil thing they can imagine—short of a wholesale extermination. If they can ameliorate that one tiny bit (at least in their minds) by supporting and electing a half-Black president who says all the right things, then they are happy to do so. And secretly or not-so-secretly label someone who doesn’t hold their it’s-the-least-we-can-do-as-a-nation view as racist (closet or otherwise).

    Comment by RSG — September 4, 2012 @ 2:39 am - September 4, 2012

  47. Complaining about using a teleprompter is like complaining about using Post-It notes. It’s like complaining about using the address book feature on your cell phone.

    See, for this teleprompter insult to mean anything, there would have to have been some consistent opposition to using teleprompters in the conservative movement going back at least a few years. Otherwise, it kinda just seems like conservatives decided using teleprompters was a bad thing overnight because they needed an avenue to attack Obama’s intelligence and undercut his highly-regarded oratory skills. People have been using teleprompters for years, after all, and as far as I’m aware, conservatives have not been complaining.

    I have an explanation: Republicans nominated and voted for a very stupid person in George Bush, and followed that up by going over the moon for another very stupid person in Sarah Palin. Conservatives will deny it, of course, they’ll make excuses by invoking the catch-all liberal media conspiracy, but they still felt it necessary to go on the attack in the “Who is Dumber?” issue. Unfortunately for them, Obama is much smarter than those other two and doesn’t stumble all over himself in interviews under absolutely no pressure. So conservatives just fabricated this idea about teleprompter use being a sign of weakness and stupidity, pretended like this was some common assumption that all people share, and have been embarrassing themselves for years by continuing to use it, even while conservatives use it all the time! If you insist on using this as a bludgeon, let’s define the terms here. When is it okay and when isn’t it okay to use a teleprompter?

    And remember, this is the principled minority and they’re very serious and have legitimate criticisms.

    Comment by Levi — September 4, 2012 @ 9:12 am - September 4, 2012

  48. However, without exception, the people I know who support and think they like him are indeed operating under a heavy amount of white liberal guilt. They believe that what was done to African-Americans and their descendants in the past was the most evil thing they can imagine—short of a wholesale extermination. If they can ameliorate that one tiny bit (at least in their minds) by supporting and electing a half-Black president who says all the right things, then they are happy to do so. And secretly or not-so-secretly label someone who doesn’t hold their it’s-the-least-we-can-do-as-a-nation view as racist (closet or otherwise).

    That’s funny, because the people I know who support and think they like him don’t feel that way at all.

    You know, it’s not that complicated. George Bush was a very unpopular President, John McCain was a member of his party, so the opposing party’s candidate won the election. Does that, like, not make enough sense to you? Is this white guilt explanation really necessary when you remember that Bush started two wars there horrible ideas and blew up the economy?

    The race of the President is incidental. Don’t get me wrong, it’s cool that we finally got someone in there that wasn’t a white guy, but it was the failed policies of the Bush administration that pushed people into Obama’s camp, not guilt.

    Comment by Levi — September 4, 2012 @ 9:37 am - September 4, 2012

  49. The race of the President is incidental. Don’t get me wrong, it’s cool that we finally got someone in there that wasn’t a white guy….

    It•is•to•laugh.

    If it were true that Obama’s race (the black half) was incidental, we would never see the race card played, would we.

    Thanks, Levi. It is always nice to smell smoldering brain in the morning.

    Comment by heliotrope — September 4, 2012 @ 9:52 am - September 4, 2012

  50. V @ 20

    http://abcnews.go.com/travel/t/blogEntry?id=17147841

    To be fair, there is a little truth to the post. Saturday’s afternoon rain storm did cause some damage to the 15.5-ton sculpture. The water made the sand look like it had “melted” a portion of the bust and arm, said Nora Battle, a spokeswoman for the Myrtle Beach Convention and Visitors Bureau, which commissioned the sculpture.

    But Battle said sculptors still in the area were able to repair the piece within 45 minutes. On Sunday morning, the sculpture was still on display showing only what a photographer described as some signs of “rain acne” on the face. But even that was repaired by 11 a.m.

    It took five sculptors from Team Sandtastic of Sarasota, Fla., three days to build the sculpture. Battle said a little rain can help to solidify the artwork but “obviously the torrential rain that came through yesterday is not good.”

    Myrtle Beach, which is located about 175 miles from Charlotte, is the top-visited beach in the Carolinas. Last year, 1.3 million visitors traveled to the beach from the Queen City, Battle said.

    The Myrtle Beach tourism organization has done many political and other sculptures in the past, and this is the second to include a likeness of Obama. The first was made in 2008 for a debate for the Democratic Party’s primary in Myrtle Beach.

    Earlier this year, the organization did one before a Republican presidential primary. MARK HAMES CONTRIBUTED.

    Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/02/3498252/obama-sand-sculpture-still-intact.html#storylink=cpy

    Comment by rusty — September 4, 2012 @ 10:39 am - September 4, 2012

  51. It•is•to•laugh.

    If it were true that Obama’s race (the black half) was incidental, we would never see the race card played, would we.

    Thanks, Levi. It is always nice to smell smoldering brain in the morning.

    Oh, it’s incidental for liberals. It’s a huge deal for Republicans, I will give you that, and they most certainly have been playing the race card.

    I’ll say it again – not all conservatives are racists, but most racists are conservatives. Republican electioneers are aware of this and plan their political strategies accordingly.

    But that’s really an old question that we’ve discussed before. What interested me was the suggestion that most or all of the people who voted for Obama were only doing so to assuage guilt. That’s not true at all and is a convenient means to ignore the extreme unpopularity of the Republican Party circa 2008, unpopularity that largely continues to this day. Republicans lost the election because they did a terrible job running the country, not because all the liberals decided they wanted to feel good about themselves and elect a black person.

    Comment by Levi — September 4, 2012 @ 12:25 pm - September 4, 2012

  52. Rusty, Thanks for sharing. I figured there was some kind of tradition to this story. Here is a picture to hopefully augment your comment:

    http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/jan/23/sc-democrats-demolish-sand-sculpture-candidate/

    Nice to see the Republican sand sculpture get taken down with pink shovels. Too bad that didn’t leave Jon Hunstman up just a little bit longer than the others.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 4, 2012 @ 2:05 pm - September 4, 2012

  53. Republicans lost the election because they did a terrible job running the country, not because all the liberals decided they wanted to feel good about themselves and elect a black person.

    Pretty sure Hillary would have won had she been the candidate. The “white guilt” argument would have turned into something else.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 4, 2012 @ 2:09 pm - September 4, 2012

  54. Republicans lost the election because they did a terrible job running the country, not because all the liberals decided they wanted to feel good about themselves and elect a black person.

    Comment by Levi — September 4, 2012 @ 12:25 pm – September 4, 2012

    Right, Levi.

    Which is why all the white liberals like yourself:

    1) Yelled that 5% unemployment under a white man was a depression and that 8%+ percent under Obama was economic growth

    2) Shrieked that $400 billion annual budget deficits under a white man would destroy the economy and that $1,200 billion annual budget deficits under a black man would expand the economy

    3) Screamed that an increase of $4 trillion to the national debt would drag the country into the abyss under a white man and that an increase of more than $4 trillion under a black man was absolutely required for economic growth and expansion

    In short, Levi, you and your fellow white liberals are now arguing the complete and exact opposite of what you were four and eight years ago.

    The math hasn’t changed. Only the skin color of the candidate.

    But in the minds of racist liberals like yourself, math is irrelevant and skin color is paramount.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 4, 2012 @ 2:55 pm - September 4, 2012

  55. not all conservatives are racists, but most racists are conservatives.

    And only the carefully tuned unbiased ears of the liberals can detect racism and racist “code words” such as: Chicago, welfare, food stamps, pays no taxes, lags behind, etc.

    What would we do without the totally race indifferent liberals who pounce on anything they can tie to racist code? How does one become so “sensitive” to perceiving racism without being addicted to playing the race card?

    the suggestion that most or all of the people who voted for Obama were only doing so to assuage guilt. That’s not true at all ….

    Nice job mangling Shelby Steele. Of course, when your entire knowledge comes from recalling talking points, that is predictable.

    Steele explained “white guilt” from an anthropological standpoint. He noted that Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, Farrakhan, etc. are “challengers” who play the race card by sticking it in your (white) face and arousing the rent-a-mob response from a distinct part of the black population. Obama, Oprah, Cosby, Colin Powell are “Iconic Negroes” who flatter whites with a tacit bargain that they will never point fingers at those whites and accuse them of racism in exchange for the white trust, admiration, endorsement, loyalty, and affection for them. The “bargainer” black shares emotions and conflicts and similarities of what is common and decent and they draw the white people to them as the black representative that is far preferred to the challengers like Sharpton, Jackson, et. al.

    So, Steele says, that there is a collective white guilt among many whites that is wrapped up in the affirmative action that Obama and Oprah and Cosby and Colin Powell can “teach” the challenger blacks “how to get along.”

    Dinesh D’Souza writes in Obama’s America:

    “(…) Obama must be ranked as the most successful bargainer in American politics. His success is largely due to the fact that he offers whites a certificate of racial absolution, and in return he gets an avalanche of white loyalty and enthusiasm.

    (….)

    ….when choirboys like Chris Matthews, Joe Klein, Jonathan Alter or Andrew Sullivan sing their hymns to Obama, they aren’t in a sense praising or even excited about Obama. They are excited about what morally wonderful people they are. They are actually praising themselves for their spectacular virtue.

    So, the white guilt crowd which is on a self-worship trip are ready, willing, eager and ever-vigilent to play the race card for Obama while doing a piety dance being totally unaware of what asses they are making of themselves.

    We have such commenters here.

    The reason white liberals dislike conservative blacks is because conservative blacks have the temerity to neither challenge nor bargain for white guilt. They expect to be judged on merit with no skin color in the game. Liberals hate that, because they need to “feel” involved in raising the black man up. If the (black) guy or gal is just another human belong, that shoots the liberal raison d’etre all to Hell. That is why MSNBC did not dare to show any black or Hispanic speech at the Republican Convention.

    Show me the independent, successful black who wants to hear a gushing liberal pronounce him/her to be a credit to the black race or start yammering about feeling the pain or other such white guilt, new age psychobabble.

    Levi, you might learn a bit from Shelby Steele or Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams or Clarence Thomas or Condi Rice or Allen West or Herman Caine if you ever took your pity wig off and listened with an open mind. But that would mean you would have to let blacks off of the plantation.

    Comment by heliotrope — September 4, 2012 @ 3:54 pm - September 4, 2012

  56. And that’s the point, Heliotrope.

    Levi’s superiority depends on him seeing black people, females, and other minorities as inferiors who need white liberal male Levi to save them.

    This is the reason for Levi’s intense hatred toward conservative minorities. Levi hates and loathes conservative black people, conservative Hispanics, conservative women, and conservative gays because they demonstrate that people can succeed and thrive without being subservient to liberal white male beliefs.

    Levi does not want any of these groups as equals. He has created the entire rationale for the liberal encomienda system in which minorities are “entrusted” to liberals in order to “civilize” them. And he screams “racist” at anyone who would dare challenge his belief that the best thing for all minorities is to swear absolute fealty to the Obama/Levi Party and the Levi government system.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 4, 2012 @ 4:40 pm - September 4, 2012

  57. On the note, NDT, isn’t it funny that Democrats think blacks are too lazy and stupid to get voter IDs, and therefore requiring them is racist?

    Comment by V the K — September 4, 2012 @ 5:18 pm - September 4, 2012

  58. @57 V the K -
    Just to be clear, voter ID concerns are not centered about black folks. The fact is it affects a large swatch of people, including the elderly, college students, women, vets, and people on the lower rung of the socio-economic spectrum. Requiring Voter ID is not racist. But it is clearly political. Targeting a problem that doesn’t really exist in any significant numbers where the solution conveniently disenfranchises people that tend to vote for the party you disagree with is clearly a political move.

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/10081/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-will-prevent-college-students-from-voting
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/04/793811/meet-alice-the-105-year-old-who-was-almost-too-old-to-vote-under-pennsylvanias-voter-id-law/
    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/state/air-force-veteran-testifies-voter-id-law-could-prevent-him-from-casting-ballot-646865/
    http://prospect.org/article/new-voter-id-laws-target-women

    Comment by Alan — September 4, 2012 @ 5:49 pm - September 4, 2012

  59. voter ID concerns are not centered about black folks. The fact is it affects a large swatch of people, including the elderly, college students, women, vets, and people on the lower rung of the socio-economic spectrum.

    I’m elderly. I can call social services and tell them I need a voter ID and they will come to my house and provide me with one. (And spit nails when they see that I am perfectly capable of getting one on my own.)

    When I was in college around the time of Noah, I had a college I.D.

    My wife is a woman. Are you saying she does not have 14th amendment rights to an I.D.?

    How the heck do vets get their benefits without an I.D.? Would the VFW refuse to help them obtain one?

    I work regularly with the homeless, alcoholics, Offender Aid and Restoration, Meals on Wheels, and other efforts serving “the lower rung of the socio-economic spectrum” and having an ID or obtaining an ID is no problem for them whatsoever.

    The problem, Alan, occurs when a guy shows up on election day and can’t produce a photo ID. Guess what else they often can’t provide: any reasonable explanation of where in the precinct they “reside.”

    How about we photograph and fingerprint every person who shows up without a photo ID and then run a computer check to find out if he has claimed to live in multiple precincts? Have you got a problem with that? After all, every time you sign for your credit or debit transaction your photo is taken and compared while your signature basically a way to get you to pose.

    Nice try, but no cigar.

    Comment by heliotrope — September 4, 2012 @ 6:22 pm - September 4, 2012

  60. Oh, and Alan, “black folks” is a patronizing term. Would you like to see a black folk dance for you?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 4, 2012 @ 6:23 pm - September 4, 2012

  61. My deepest apologies to the community at large for using the term “folks”. As I often use the term “folks” (including “white folks” as well as many other ” folks”), I did not realize that it was patronizing.

    When I was in college around the time of Noah, I had a college I.D.

    Per the article: This is because of Pennsylvania’s new, complex voter ID law that puts strict requirements on which student IDs are acceptable for voting. Several student IDs issued by Pennsylvania colleges and universities currently do not comply with the new voter ID law.

    My wife is a woman. Are you saying she does not have 14th amendment rights to an I.D.?

    Per the article (regarding divorce and name changes): Since only 66 percent of voting-age women have easy access to proof of citizenship and documentation with their current legal name, a significant number of women could be disenfranchised by the new laws.

    I’m elderly…

    [...] was told when she arrived that the computer system could not recognize ages above 104.

    How the heck do vets get their benefits without an I.D.? Would the VFW refuse to help them obtain one?

    In Pennsylvania, Republican state lawmakers this year passed a law that severely limits the type of identification acceptable for voting—making more than 400,000 voters in Philadelphia alone unable to meet the new requirements, and making a military ID unacceptable. That means “we have veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan” who don’t have a driver’s license and so can’t vote, said Murphy.

    Again, the problem is not with the laws per-se, it’s the fact that it disenfranchises large swaths of people, usually to try to solve a problem that doesn’t really exist. Per the article:

    Although the stated purpose of the law is to combat voter fraud, Pennsylvania has admitted there are “no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania,” and that they “do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

    I agree that we should do what we can to ensure that people don’t vote multiple times. However the issue I have is with the approach. I don’t think that we should potentially disenfranchise tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of people to protect against what is basically a non-existent threat (which is not to say that it couldn’t be a threat).

    I’m not opposed to your solution of photographing and fingerprinting people. That would allow them to vote while verifying their authenticity. I’m also not opposed to provisional ballots that need to get verified before they actually count. I’m also open to other measures that both encourage people to vote while limiting fraud as much as possible (I would be interested in learning more about universal registration, national ID cards, etc)

    Just to be clear here, I’m not pro-voting fraud by any measure (that should be obvious, but I feel the need to state it anyway). I’m just opposed to extreme measures that do disenfranchise large swaths of people who do have the right to vote, again to solve a non-existent problem. The fact that the majority of people affected skew towards one party while the people pushing the laws represent the other party makes this whole thing stink of politics. Given the right’s history with poll taxes, robo-calls telling people that they don’t have to vote, robo-calls telling people that the dates or their precincts have been changed, etc, the whole thing smells incredibly fishy. Again, disenfranchising 400,000 people (in Pennsylvania alone) to protect against *zero* fraud incidents just doesn’t compute for me. At all. Unless you look at this through a political lens. Then it all makes sense.

    Comment by Alan — September 4, 2012 @ 6:59 pm - September 4, 2012

  62. The Democrats have no trouble running voter registration drives; it would take no more effort to run Voter ID drives, to make sure all of their legitimate voters had ID.

    But that’s not the point, is it?

    Comment by V the K — September 4, 2012 @ 9:40 pm - September 4, 2012

  63. Per the article: This is because of Pennsylvania’s new, complex voter ID law that puts strict requirements on which student IDs are acceptable for voting. Several student IDs issued by Pennsylvania colleges and universities currently do not comply with the new voter ID law.

    And why, exactly, is that?

    Acceptable proof of identification must contain your name, a photograph, and an expiration date; and may be issued by the U.S. government, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, a municipality of Pennsylvania, an accredited Pennsylvania public or private institution of higher learning, or a Pennsylvania care facility. Acceptable IDs include a Pennsylvania driver’s license, a U.S. Passport, U.S. military ID, or an employee ID issued by federal, state, or local government. University of Pennsylvania student IDs are acceptable ID because they include an expiration date. Drexel, Pennsylvania State, Park Point University, and LaSalle College ID’s are currently not valid proof of identification because at the time of this update, they do not include the required expiration date. If you do not have any acceptable ID, you may get free Voter ID at any PennDOT Driver License Center.

    How interesting. So all these liberal universities and whatnot could make their IDs immediately valid for voting by simply putting an expiration date on them.

    And what was your next claim?

    In Pennsylvania, Republican state lawmakers this year passed a law that severely limits the type of identification acceptable for voting—making more than 400,000 voters in Philadelphia alone unable to meet the new requirements, and making a military ID unacceptable. That means “we have veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan” who don’t have a driver’s license and so can’t vote, said Murphy.

    To repeat the quote from above:

    Acceptable IDs include a Pennsylvania driver’s license, a U.S. Passport, U.S. military ID, or an employee ID issued by federal, state, or local government.

    And what was it you were saying?

    I’m also not opposed to provisional ballots that need to get verified before they actually count.

    Odd; what DOES the Pennsylvania law that you oppose say?

    For all elections occurring after September 17, 2012, you will be required to show proof of identification at the polls (or with your absentee ballot) in order to vote a normal ballot. If you do not have proof of identification at the polls, you will be able to vote a provisional ballot. Your ballot will be counted if you bring proof of identification to the county clerk’s office within 6 days after the election.

    So let’s see here, Alan; you misrepresented the student ID portion, you were completely incorrect about the military ID portion, and you claimed you opposed the law because it does not allow for provisional ballots, which it does.

    Put frankly, have you actually researched this? Or are you merely repeating Obama Party talking points?

    Seriously. Did you fail to investigate Obama’s claims before you made your statements — or were you aware that your claims were false before you made them?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 4, 2012 @ 10:02 pm - September 4, 2012

  64. Per the article (regarding divorce and name changes): Since only 66 percent of voting-age women have easy access to proof of citizenship and documentation with their current legal name, a significant number of women could be disenfranchised by the new laws.

    An interesting argument, Alan, given that women who fail to do so can be disqualified from working on any government contract.

    How should I prepare to be E-Verified?

    The following information applies only to employees who will perform work on a qualifying federal contract:

    You will be required to complete a new Form I-9, in which you must present any List A document OR a combination of a List B and a List C document. (Please note that if you choose to present a List B document, it must contain a photo.) View the Form I-9 Lists of Acceptable Documents.

    Locate the original document(s), as outlined above. Copies will NOT be accepted.

    Confirm that the documents are unexpired. (If they are expired, now is the time to renew these documents.)

    Verify that the information listed on the documents is current. (For example, if you have been married, divorced, or have otherwise changed your name, and have not yet changed your name through the Social Security Administration (SSA) or the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), you should take the necessary steps to ensure that your name appears correctly on these documents.)

    Thus, Alan, women who fail to change their names on these legal documents become essentially unemployable under US law.

    Now, again: Did you fail to investigate Obama’s claims before you made your statements — or were you aware that your claims were false before you made them?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 4, 2012 @ 10:10 pm - September 4, 2012

  65. NDT,

    Clearly I did not read the links and clearly you did. Good on you.

    What amazes me is that Jesse Rent-A-Mob Jackson can go full force for same day registration, but is AWOL on getting people properly registered and ID equipped to vote. Why is that? Do you suppose it is easier and more productive to hire ghost voters than to play by the rules?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 4, 2012 @ 10:24 pm - September 4, 2012

  66. What amazes me is that Jesse Rent-A-Mob Jackson can go full force for same day registration, but is AWOL on getting people properly registered and ID equipped to vote. Why is that? Do you suppose it is easier and more productive to hire ghost voters than to play by the rules?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 4, 2012 @ 10:24 pm – September 4, 2012

    Of course, Helio.

    If people vote themselves, who knows if they’re going to vote the way you want them to vote or not?

    But if you use people as an excuse to allow you to forge ballots, send your goons around to multiple locations to vote, and to tell college students to vote at home and at school, then you can be assured of getting the outcome you want.

    Jesse Jackson and his ilk have zero interest in people actually voting and voting once. Their sole concern with voter ID is that it effectively disarms the Obama Party’s primary methods of voter fraud.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 4, 2012 @ 11:13 pm - September 4, 2012

  67. By the way, Heliotrope, my thought is that this is a meme that the Obama Party was pushing this weekend, given how the Obama Party spokespersons on Twitter were repeating exactly the same thing.

    First they were claiming that you had to pay for an ID; I shot that one down.

    Second they were claiming that you needed a birth certificate; I shot that one down too.

    Again, I would like to believe that people are simply not informing themselves and repeating Obama talking points without doing research. But I am also open to the possibility that these people know their claims are false and are just repeating them regardless of fact.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 4, 2012 @ 11:17 pm - September 4, 2012

  68. http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 4, 2012 @ 11:53 pm - September 4, 2012

  69. In California you must 1) Travel to the DMV and 2) pay in order to obtain a valid ID. Unless I’m mistaken. Feel free to correct me if I miswrote.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 12:31 am - September 5, 2012

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  71. Vince,

    If you can get to a lottery ticket, you can get to the DMV.

    If you can pay for a lottery ticket, you can pay for an ID.

    It is illegal to buy a person’s vote.

    However, it should be perfectly legal to drive a person to the DMV and to pay the fee for an ID so that the person can vote.

    We have soup kitchens, Section 8, homeless shelters, transportation assistance, ride-share, Senior assistance, and a slew of local welfare assistance.

    It is hard to imagine the Golden State of liberalism not being all gung-ho and geared up to get the tired, the homeless, the wretched masses yearning to vote to the DMV and all set up with an ID.

    Why don’t you, Vince, lead a crusade?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 5, 2012 @ 10:09 am - September 5, 2012

  72. Because I have a job, as well as as blog to maintain, I like to sleep 8 hours every day, exercise, and make my meals. I’m not Wonder Woman.

    Sorry for believing that everyone should have the chance to vote. No taxation without representation, right?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 1:00 pm - September 5, 2012

  73. Great Cinesnatch. Now I’m going to think of Wonder Woman every time I see your comments. Thanks ;-)

    Comment by Alan — September 5, 2012 @ 1:30 pm - September 5, 2012

  74. In California you must 1) Travel to the DMV and 2) pay in order to obtain a valid ID. Unless I’m mistaken. Feel free to correct me if I miswrote.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 12:31 am – September 5, 2012

    Yup, you are mistaken.

    And this was hilarious.

    Sorry for believing that everyone should have the chance to vote. No taxation without representation, right?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 1:00 pm – September 5, 2012

    Except, Cinesnatch, you don’t actually believe that.

    The Obama for America Campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party are suing the critical swing state of Ohio to strike down a law that makes it easier for members of the military to vote. Under the law, people in uniform may cast early ballots in person up to the day before an election, instead of the previous Friday cutoff for other voters.

    Democrats have a transparent political motive. A May 2012 Gallup survey showed Mr. Obama trailing Mitt Romney among veterans 58 to 34 percent. “About a fourth of men are veterans,” Gallup reported, “and it is their strong skew toward Romney that essentially creates the GOP candidate’s leading position among men today.”

    And these are people who actually have ID.

    Isn’t that interesting; Obama supporters like Cinesnatch oppose any form of voter ID, oppose any attempt to prevent people from voting multiple times, and oppose any attempt to prevent non-citizens from voting…..but adamantly oppose military members voting.

    And Alan, why won’t you answer? Didn’t your Obama talking points tell you how to deal with people who challenge your Obama’s statements?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 5, 2012 @ 2:04 pm - September 5, 2012

  75. NDT -
    I haven’t responded to you because I’m too busy planning the socialist takeover of this country. Just kidding. Actually, I’m busy at work. I actually am a contributing member of society, and between working 50+ hours per week and actively involved in my son’s school activities and sports (tonight is back to school night), I don’t have a lot of time to deal with you.

    That said, I will point out that you’re misrepresenting the Ohio suit. The law that was struck down arbitrarily took away early-voting rights for most voters, but carved an exception for military and overseas voters. It didn’t make it easier for members of the military to vote. It made it harder for everyone else to. Because of the strike-down, now *ALL* Ohio voters can continue early-voting. Coincidentally enough, most of the voters affected by the law skewed Democratic. So this law would have disenfranchised primarily Democratic voters while carving out exceptions for primarily Republican voters. It seems obvious to me that there is a political slant to this law. Your ability to completely ignore that astounds me. I’m in favor of *ALL* voters participating in our democratic system, not just those that happen to agree with my political stance. It appears that you do not.

    Comment by Alan — September 5, 2012 @ 2:59 pm - September 5, 2012

  76. ND30 >> Your first link substantiates my claim that one must 1) Travel to the DMV and 2) pay in order to obtain a valid ID. Which is what I said in Post #69, genius. So, no, I’m not mistaken. What are you smoking? Your links usually lead to mumbo-jumbo. This is the first time I can recall you actually directly making my argument for me. Thanks?

    And, as far as the Ohio lawsuit, the Democrats filed it so EVERYONE could have the Monday deadline, not JUST the military. But, it’s being spun as “Obama is anti-military.”

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 3:21 pm - September 5, 2012

  77. Correct me if I am wrong but there is no voter I’D law in California, so the cost of getting an I’D is irrelevant; as is voting in California since unless you’re a Democrat, illegal voters will cancel out your vote.

    Comment by V the K — September 5, 2012 @ 3:59 pm - September 5, 2012

  78. VTK >> Why don’t you correct ND30 for a change.

    Pennsylvania requires photo ID to vote. You must VIST the DMV and PAY for and ID in Pennsylvania.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 4:09 pm - September 5, 2012

  79. Same goes for Michigan, South Dakota, Idaho, Louisiana. You MUST provide photo ID and you MUST pay for that ID. And, in most case, you MUST travel to obtain that ID.

    Commerce clause anyone? No money = no vote. It discriminates against the poor, which, of course, is of benefit to Republicans. Big surprise.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 4:18 pm - September 5, 2012

  80. #79: “Commerce clause anyone?”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    Comment by Sean A — September 5, 2012 @ 4:30 pm - September 5, 2012

  81. When you go to the polls to cast your vote in an election, be sure to take one of the following:

    a driver’s license,
    a Louisiana Special ID, or
    some other generally recognized picture ID that contains your name and signature.

    Voters who have no picture ID may bring a utility bill, payroll check or government document that includes their name and address but they will have to sign an affidavit furnished by the Elections Division in order to vote.

    Should any problems or questions arise, the principal office of the Registrar of Voters in each parish will be open from 6:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m. on election day.

    ID Requirements: All voters will be required to provide identification before voting or obtaining an absentee ballot. The personal identification that may be presented shall either be:
    -A South Dakota driver’s license or non-driver ID card
    -A passport or other picture ID issued by the United States government
    -A tribal photo ID
    -A current student photo ID issued by a South Dakota high school or post-secondary education institution
    If you do not have a photo ID, you can sign a personal identification affidavit.

    By law, every Michigan voter must present picture identification at the polls, or sign an affidavit attesting that he or she is not in possession of picture identification.
    Prepare for Election Day

    Remember to bring an acceptable form of photo identification to the polls on Election Day. If you don’t have photo ID you can still vote (see Voting Without Photo ID below).

    Your photo ID does not need to have your address on it. In addition, the name on your identification card may be a shorter form of your name. For example, “Bill” for “William” and “Kathy” for “Katherine” are acceptable.

    After showing your photo ID to the poll worker and signing the application, you may cast your ballot.

    Voting Without Photo ID

    If you do not have photo ID, you can still cast a ballot simply by signing an affidavit. The affidavit can be used by:

    Voters who do not have acceptable photo ID
    Voters who have photo ID but didn’t bring it to the polls
    Once you sign the affidavit, you may cast your ballot. It will be counted with all other ballots on Election Day.

    To vote you must either:

    Present a photo ID or sign a Personal Identification Affidavit

    Acceptable forms of photo identification include any one of the following:

    An Idaho driver’s license or photo Identification Card.
    A U.S. passport or Federal photo identification card.
    A tribal photo identification card.
    A current student photo ID, issued by an Idaho high school or post secondary education institution.

    A poll worker must verify that the picture on the ID matches the voter.

    The name on the ID must also match the name on the voter registration list in the poll book. Common abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable. However, a name change requires the voter to re-register.

    If you don’t have a Driver’s License, you can use an Idaho Identification card to vote.
    The Department of Transportation issues Idaho Identification cards. Check their website for locations and a list of documents you may need to present.

    If a voter is not able to show an acceptable ID, the voter will be given the option to sign the Personal Identification Affidavit. On the Affidavit, the voter swears to his/her identity under penalty of perjury, a felony under 34-1114, Idaho Code.

    After signing the Affidavit, the voter will be issued a ballot to be tabulated with all other ballots.

    Vince, it appears to me that you WILL have to TRAVEL to the precinct polling place.

    You will be able to obtain and cast a ballot if you will sign an affidavit and swear under the rules of penalty and perjury that you are being honest and forthright and are the person you claim to be.

    Is that a problem?

    The case of Pennsylvania is different and under scrutiny by the ACLU. Here is their law which does provide for waiving the fee for identification, but is otherwise fairly straight forward about being able to prove that the voter is who he claims to be.

    Vince, would you address why a person should not have to prove his identity in order to vote? What is the logic? Why would poor people have a greater right to anonymity than others? What is the logic?

    Comment by heliotrope — September 5, 2012 @ 5:23 pm - September 5, 2012

  82. Helio >> Voting precincts outnumber DMV’s by [enter double-digit number here] to 1. You can’t compare traveling to the DMV to traveling to a voting precinct. In the city of West Hollywood, there are 28 voting precincts. There is 1 DMV. 28:1. And, I imagine the gap to be much greater in the city of Los Angeles. The traveling distance is not comparable.

    As a physically and mentally (I like to think) capable person, speaking as a voter, it’s very easy for many persons to get disenfranchised by the process, as it is. As someone who has worked/volunteered on election day, there are already checks and balances set up to minimize fraud from the perspective of the voter. More rules and regulation? Yeah, speaking like a true Republican, Helio.

    If you feel that fraud is such a problem, feel free to provide evidence that it is, because your opinion on this matter is so non-partisan, right?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 6:10 pm - September 5, 2012

  83. Democrats should be willing to work as hard at getting their voters ID’s as they do to register them. But as I’ve noted, that’s not the point.

    Comment by V the K — September 5, 2012 @ 6:28 pm - September 5, 2012

  84. Democrats hire vans and buses to get their voters to the polls on election day. They conduct massive voter registration drives involving circus tents and rock bands. And yet, we’re supposed to believe that it’s too much trouble to get those same voters proper ID’s?

    You’d have to be as dumb as Vince to believe that.

    Comment by V the K — September 5, 2012 @ 7:07 pm - September 5, 2012

  85. More rules and regulation? Yeah, speaking like a true Republican, Helio.

    Bzzzzzzzzt !!!! Wrong.

    As a conservative, I support an efficient government without burdensome rules and regulations. I like guardrails. I appreciate traffic controls. Center lines are useful and necessary.

    Want to vote? Be a citizen, resident, of age and be able to prove who you are. Simple. Reasonable. Doable. Register to vote. Show up and vote. When you get there, show positive proof that you are you. No problem.

    You ignored, willfully, that in the states I referenced in response to your comments that you can go to the precinct and “attest” to your identity and then vote. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the DMV. But that, obviously, ruins your sob story.

    Now, as a conservative, I favor a government issued picture ID. If the parties can have poll watchers, information booths outside the voting area and other volunteers, they can also drag people around to get to the polls or to run home to pick up their forgotten voter ID.

    “More rules and regulation”? Not by a long shot. One simple rule and strict enforcement is all that is needed. Ignorance of the requirement is no excuse.

    Comment by heliotrope — September 5, 2012 @ 9:19 pm - September 5, 2012

  86. You didn’t prove anything with S. Dakota.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 10:12 pm - September 5, 2012

  87. South Dakota: If you do not have a photo ID, you can sign a personal identification affidavit.

    Comment by heliotrope — September 5, 2012 @ 11:41 pm - September 5, 2012

  88. My bad.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 5, 2012 @ 11:48 pm - September 5, 2012

  89. http://tinyurl.com/bovg5mc

    A Mississippi NAACP executive is in jail after being convicted of voter fraud for fraudulently casting absentee ballots, including for four dead people.

    But hey, voter fraud is a myth, right?

    Anyway, most vote fraud occurs in big cities run by Democrat machines; hence the people who benefit from vote fraud (Democrats) are also the people in charge of investigating and prosecuting voter fraud (Democrats). It is easy to understand why they have little interest in investigating the issue.

    Comment by V the K — September 6, 2012 @ 8:55 am - September 6, 2012

  90. More rules and regulation? Yeah, speaking like a true Republican, Helio.

    That comment speaks volumes. Because the fact that Cinesnatch could think it is somehow pertinent or logical enough to be worth saying, suggests that he has NO understanding of the conservative-libertarian mindset, despite having read (supposedly) GP for years.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 6, 2012 @ 10:38 am - September 6, 2012

  91. VTK >> You mean this lady?

    Yeah, there are people like her all over the country throwing elections. We should all worry.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 6, 2012 @ 11:24 am - September 6, 2012

  92. Or how about Todd Akin? Indiana’s Secretary of State? Or PERHAPS a certain candidate running for president who has released a historically thin profile of his past tax returns? (the last one is ultimately in jest … or is it?)

    Comment by Cinesnatch — September 6, 2012 @ 11:42 am - September 6, 2012

  93. I am all for more rules and regulations… when they restrict the Government.

    Comment by V the K — September 6, 2012 @ 1:04 pm - September 6, 2012

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