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Joe Biden’s rude strategy

It’s clear“, writes Stacy McCain scoring Ryan the winner in last night’s debate, that Vice President Joe “Biden was advised to be aggressive, to bulldoze, interrupt and filibuster, to treat Ryan with contempt.”  ”No doubt”, Fred Barnes concurs, “Biden was told to be aggressive.  No doubt he was told not to let Ryan get away with anything.  No doubt he was told not to let the moderator, ABC News correspondent Martha Raddatz, restrain him.”

Seems the Obama team thought rude Joe would help the Democratic ticket, but it sure didn’t help them with one group which leans slightly toward the president’s party.  Women were particularly put off by the Vice President’s behavior.  Note that the three participants in this focus group who responded to Frank Luntz’s point about Biden’s interruption and occasional laughter were all women:

Even“, notes Ed Driscoll at Instapundit, CNN’s Gloria Borger admits, “He was condescending at times to Paul Ryan. I think I could have done with a lot less eye-rolling and chuckling on the part of Joe Biden.”

That said, this does seem to have played quite well with the Democrats’ face.  My liberal Facebook friends are beside themselves with glee; one offered, “Ok so maybe Biden shouldn’t have laughed and snickered so much…but how could you not when your debating Eddie Munster?”  FWIW, haven’t caught any of them praising Biden for defending Obama,  instead they’re hailing him for attacking Ryan.

Maybe they decided to make a test of the angry, rude Joe to see how it plays as a possible strategy for Obama next week.  This strategy looks like a winner if the goal is to fire up the base, but, it ends up, as David French puts it, making the Democratic “ticket less likable, thus continuing to squander a key favorability advantage.

Biden pumped up partisan Democrats,” Michael Barone concludes, “but failed to win over the voters who are taking a serious look at Romney at a point when he is up in national polls.”  The angry strategy ain’t a winner, save among Democratic partisans.

UPDATE:  Referencing the “War on Women” about which Democrats have spoken much, Ed Driscoll links this quip“Tonight, Joe Biden is embodying everything that women hate about talking with men.”

UP-UPDATE:  ”The left is cheering Joe Biden’s meltdown,” observes Hugh Hewitt, “which is itself an indication of how far it has lost its bearings.

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  1. ““Even“, notes Ed Driscoll at Instapundit, CNN’s Gloria Borger admits, “He was condescending at times to Paul Ryan. I think I could have done with a lot less eye-rolling and chuckling on the part of Joe Biden.””

    But Biden was more often the aggressor and his presence was more dominant. After the debate, Republicans in the spin room said Biden, who often interrupted and grinned during Ryan’s answers, looked manic.

    That was just about a 180-degree reverse from the spin room in Denver, where it was Democrats who were complaining that Romney was overly-aggressive. Democrats seemed happy to be on the other side of that coin.”

    Comment by Passing By — October 12, 2012 @ 1:46 am - October 12, 2012

  2. Reading the commentary, there seem to be 2 schools of thought. One is that Ryan kept his cool, letting Biden hang himself as the jerk he is. The other is that Ryan was weak – he did not stand up for himself or take control of the situation, as (say) Reagan would have done.

    It’s interesting. But I don’t think it matters. And I think it helps Romney…….’s debate prep. Biden previewed the ‘aggressive’ strategy that the Obama campaign is probably going to drill into Obama; in other words, he has tipped their hand. Look for Romney to fine-tune his response, based on what has just worked (or not) for Ryan. He will probably be a little more aggressive – but still not too much.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 12, 2012 @ 1:49 am - October 12, 2012

  3. a 180-degree reverse from the spin room in Denver, where it was Democrats who were complaining that Romney was overly-aggressive. Democrats seemed happy to be on the other side of that coin.”

    But Romney didn’t appear to be inappropriate, even unstable. There’s ‘good aggressive’ and ‘bad aggressive’; Biden seems not to know the difference. Going by polls and focus groups, Romney got a blowout win; Biden got no better than a tie – if even that.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 12, 2012 @ 1:52 am - October 12, 2012

  4. Also – if Romney was aggressive (in a bad way), Biden just sacrificed all complaining rights that the Dems might have had. ‘Brilliant’ move.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 12, 2012 @ 1:55 am - October 12, 2012

  5. nice rebuttals, ILC, in #3 & #4.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — October 12, 2012 @ 1:59 am - October 12, 2012

  6. I considered SHOUTING them. But let’s just go with grinning :-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 12, 2012 @ 2:54 am - October 12, 2012

  7. BIDEN 2016, BABY!

    Comment by Sharp_Right_Turn — October 12, 2012 @ 6:32 am - October 12, 2012

  8. But Romney didn’t appear to be inappropriate, even unstable. There’s ‘good aggressive’ and ‘bad aggressive’;

    Exactly.

    Romney was aggressive and on point, but he wasn’t rude and obnoxious. I thought Romney was always respectful of Obama, he just didn’t let Obama define him or his positions.

    Biden was just downright rude and obnoxious-to both Ryan and the moderator (and the moderator was on his side and just as rude about interrupting Ryan when Ryan was answering a question).

    Comment by Just Me — October 12, 2012 @ 7:04 am - October 12, 2012

  9. It says a lot about liberals that they consider being an obnoxious jerk a plus.

    Comment by V the K — October 12, 2012 @ 7:05 am - October 12, 2012

  10. If that’s what it takes to rally the Democrat base, then the Democrat base is mentally ill.

    But, then, we knew that…

    Comment by V the K — October 12, 2012 @ 7:16 am - October 12, 2012

  11. “When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet.” Proverbs 29:9.

    Comment by V the K — October 12, 2012 @ 9:11 am - October 12, 2012

  12. Poor Joe got his strategy implant and it took control of his brain. What he didn’t control, or couldn’t control, was his facial contortions. He literally mugged the debate participants and the world wide audience.

    His red meat base likely loved it and didn’t even notice it. But everyone else did and the “independents” and wobbly supporters were offended. Time to call Ghostbusters. Joe has left a stink.

    Comment by heliotrope — October 12, 2012 @ 9:22 am - October 12, 2012

  13. When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet.

    Exactly. Biden didn’t act like a winner. Democrats are saying he did… some, who are fools like Biden, may really think he did. But he didn’t.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 12, 2012 @ 10:03 am - October 12, 2012

  14. The interesting question now is, will Obama act like Biden? If so, how will Mittens parry it?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 12, 2012 @ 10:17 am - October 12, 2012

  15. Mitt will look Presidential and Obama will look cranky. Obama, to quote a German expression, has reduced himself to: “trying to pee with tall dogs.”

    Comment by heliotrope — October 12, 2012 @ 10:21 am - October 12, 2012

  16. Wow, three very good posts in a row, V the K!

    I was thinking about this more last night and this morning, and I’m hopeful that Obama will be insulated enough from what those outside of his base are saying that he will continue to think the Biden strategy was a good one. In other words, I hope that Obama thinks being aggressive in a debate means acting more like Biden did last night. If he does that, then I’m confident that the next debate will be even more of a disaster for Obama than the first one was.

    In the first debate, Romney displayed his mastery of knowing how to take control of a situation and how to be assertive without seeming rude or obnoxious. It is quite a valuable skill to possess, and Romney has it, while Obama most definitely does not. If Obama comes out acting more like Biden did, it won’t play well because it will, as Dan wrote in a post a month or so ago, completely reject the rationale for Obama’s election in the first place. Obama thinks the public loves him and that he has great skills of persuasion as an orator. In fact, what the public loved in 2008 was the platitudes and vapid generalities about hope and change and working together; since he’s become president, though, and started pushing his agenda, it has usually been the case that the more the public hears from him, the less they like him. If he takes his cue from Biden’s debate strategy, I think we’ll see the common reaction we’ve seen from his time as president. He’ll go from being someone whom the public regards as likeable (who knows why) to someone whom his left-wing base likes, but whom the public at large regards as more of a jerk.

    Comment by Kurt — October 12, 2012 @ 11:44 am - October 12, 2012

  17. I was impressed that Ryan didn’t just lean over and wipe that disgusting smirk off of Biden’s lying face. Ryan brought a calm clarity and bolstered his arguments with facts and numbers. Biden was rude, nasty, and condescending as he laughed, talked over, interrupted, whined to the moderator, inappropriately smirked and smiled and lied. The numbers he threw out were lies (Syria is 5 times bigger than Libya–wrong, pal! Libya is 9.5 x larger than Syria). FWIW, I thought that this debate only shored up the Democrat base, but it was off-putting to most independents. Biden was an aggresive jackass.

    Comment by runningrn — October 12, 2012 @ 11:58 am - October 12, 2012

  18. If the media is cheering Biden’s obnoxiousness, that will tell Obama he needs to be as obnoxious or more to “win” his next debate, which, IIRC, is in a Townhall format.

    I am really, really hoping Obama takes the MFM’s advice and ups the obnoxiousness quotient next time.

    Comment by V the K — October 12, 2012 @ 12:00 pm - October 12, 2012

  19. Syria is 5 times bigger than Libya–wrong, pal! Libya is 9.5 x larger than Syria

    I didn’t watch the debate so I have no idea what the context of this statement was. That is correct if Biden was talking about area, but if he was talking about population, Syria is actually about 4 times bigger than Libya.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — October 12, 2012 @ 12:08 pm - October 12, 2012

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  21. Rattlesnake: Biden specifically mentioned the size (area) of Syria being larger. He even made a weak attempt to try and correct himself, but it was several sentences later and the moment had already passed.

    “They told me if I voted for McCain, we’d have an idiot for a Vice-President…and they were right!” ;)

    Comment by AF_Vet — October 12, 2012 @ 11:09 pm - October 12, 2012

  22. Rattlesnake: Biden specifically mentioned the size (area) of Syria being larger.

    LOL.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — October 13, 2012 @ 2:24 pm - October 13, 2012

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