Gay Patriot Header Image

No, Americans did not vote for Socialism on Tuesday

Given the big government policies of the Obama administration, a number of conservatives are now concerned that we’ve passed a point of no return, that not only are well well along the road to serfdom, but most Americans, that is, the slight majority who voted for Obama, now favor socialism.

While I do agree that Obama’s policies push us further down the road about which Friedrich Hayek warned, I don’t believe Americans want to realize socialism in this land. Some people voted for Obama not because they liked his policies, but because they liked the idea of Obama.

Or because they bought into the Democratic notion of a Republican War on Women. They may not like Obama’s economic policies, but they didn’t want those evil Republican taking away their birth control.

Obama largely avoided campaigning on his big government policies because he knew they didn’t sell with the American people.  Even Obama is aware that the American people don’t really want big government.

They’re not, at least, a majority of Americans are just not yet willing to defy those politicians who want to lead us down this road to serfdom.  Only when they realize how far along we are, when they face the impact, say, of Obamacare, will they realize that they have been complicit in loss of our liberty.

Share

44 Comments

  1. Obamacare isn’t the only thing I’m afraid they, and collaterally the rest of us, will feel the impact of.

    But I agree with you, I don’t think many understand what they’ve truly done, and there are some who do in a sort of disconnected idealistic way – I doubt they fully understand how it will impact them, but will probably rationalize, deny and defend it. To do otherwise will compromise their entire identity.

    Comment by Kate — November 9, 2012 @ 7:26 pm - November 9, 2012

  2. They might not have knowingly voted for socialism, but they did. Others may have voted for socialism, but just didn’t recognize it with that name (anyone who voted for “free stuff” voted for socialism). Unfortunately, the United States has had socialist policies since at least when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was president. Most people don’t call social welfare socialism, but that is what it is.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 9, 2012 @ 7:35 pm - November 9, 2012

  3. Leftists always run as fiscal conservatives while expressing compassion for the downtrodden. But the result of every election is more tyranny. It matters not what people think they voted for

    Comment by LibertyPhysics — November 9, 2012 @ 7:37 pm - November 9, 2012

  4. I find it stunning that so many women fell for that phoney *war on women* bullsh*t. What republican president has ever banned birth control or abortion? NONE! (I know Bush signed the bill outlawing partial birth abortion. It’s barbaric. Pro choice or not, everyone should be against it. Hitler probably did the same in the camps)
    Some women are so effing stupid!! I read comments on twitter, *I get to keep control of my uterus* It was a strawman yet all these supposedly educated women fell for that nonsense. They care more about freaking birth control than their country fiscally falling off the precipice of Everest’s summit!!! THEY’RE SO STUPID!!

    Comment by Carol — November 9, 2012 @ 7:55 pm - November 9, 2012

  5. That you italicized “knowingly”, Rattlesnake, indicates that you got my point. :-)

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 9, 2012 @ 7:57 pm - November 9, 2012

  6. I had plenty of friends who extolled the virture of all things Obama including Obamacare, more foodstamps, redistribution of wealth, amnesty for illegals, etc… They did vote for socialism as some believe we need MORE govt control. It is dangerous to underestimate just how many people do want wholesale govt control of all aspects of their lives.

    Comment by Brenda Hellwig — November 9, 2012 @ 8:02 pm - November 9, 2012

  7. It matters not what they voted for, but they are going to get what 0bama wants (sorta) no matter why they voted. It isn’t helping that our fine Speaker and others are now willing to fold and work with him and his cronies on even more of the same garbage that is killing pretty much the whole world.
    We who work will be sucked dry to pay for it.
    Those who don’t will find they are not going to get the free unicorn and Cedar Sinai healthcare when they have a cold. Or worse.
    Until now even the homeless were getting some great care but soon, even those with the money will need to search for quality care in many fields.
    The Cronies will soon be getting more from the Gov’t (why they’re too big to fail) and the rest of us … we get less and less and every thing will cost more and more (priced effing Hamburger lately?) until we too are poor.
    The final destination of socialism and communism…everyone is equally miserable.

    Comment by JP — November 9, 2012 @ 8:07 pm - November 9, 2012

  8. Denial is which stage of the grieving process?

    Comment by V the K — November 9, 2012 @ 10:48 pm - November 9, 2012

  9. And Good ol’ “may I call you Joe” Biden doesn’t seem to understand that getting only 51% of the vote really is NOT a mandate. You won Joe, but, it is not a mandate.

    Comment by Charles — November 10, 2012 @ 12:09 am - November 10, 2012

  10. This seems misguided, Dan. It’s like saying kids on Christmas morning aren’t really in favor of Santa Claus…

    Comment by Tim in MT — November 10, 2012 @ 1:20 am - November 10, 2012

  11. I find it stunning that so many women fell for that phoney *war on women* bullsh*t. What republican president has ever banned birth control or abortion? NONE! (I know Bush signed the bill outlawing partial birth abortion. It’s barbaric. Pro choice or not, everyone should be against it. Hitler probably did the same in the camps)
    Some women are so effing stupid!! I read comments on twitter, *I get to keep control of my uterus* It was a strawman yet all these supposedly educated women fell for that nonsense. They care more about freaking birth control than their country fiscally falling off the precipice of Everest’s summit!!! THEY’RE SO STUPID!!

    Are they stupid?

    Here’s what’s going on. Republican candidates have been talking for decades about how much they want to ban all abortions, going so far as to promise writing it in the Constitution as an amendment. Since the Republicans took over the House in 2010, there have been hundreds of new abortion-restricting laws going into effect This year, they put language into the platform outlawing exceptions even in case of rape and incest. What do you think women are supposed to think? After all that, especially with Mourdock and Akin spouting off like they did? I mean Romney cut an ad with this guy. Paul Ryan is hardcore about this stuff. Now you wanna walk it back and say that the women who voted for Obama are stupid for thinking for thinking that they were trying to criminalize abortion. Wherever could they have gotten that impression?

    And the other side of it. You would think that a party committed to the eradication of abortion might be encouraging people to use contraceptives. Using government to force people not to have abortions is one way to get rid of abortions, but there other things you could try since that’s not the law of the land. Like encouraging contraceptive use. But no, the Republicans don’t want to do that either, complaining that they shouldn’t have to pay for people’s birth control. Again, do you think women aren’t recognizing the pattern here? You don’t want women to have an abortion, and you also don’t want to them to have easy access to contraceptives. Because that would just hit everybody in the pocket so hard.

    Sandra Fluke is representative of tens of millions of women, and when she went to Congress to testify about the health benefits and absurd costs of birth control, the biggest Republican celebrity in the country went on a rant calling her a slut and a prostitute and saying she should have sex on the internet. Not only is that not any kind of response to the argument about the benefits of contraception coverage, women relate to being dismissed and objectified like that. Of course, Rush Limbaugh weathered the storm and remains universally beloved by the conservative movement.

    So let’s remember the sequence of events before you complain about women being so stupid and freaking out about nothing because a Republican President has never banned abortion:

    1. Republicans candidates promise to ban abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.

    2. Republicans say that employers’ can choose not to cover contraceptives in their healthcare plan.

    3. Famous Republican suffers no consequences after trashing a woman for speaking her mind in public.

    So what don’t you understand? These are not things that appeal to women.This is why Republicans lost women by so much. You’re over-reaching on the abortion regulations and not willing to promote alternatives. Surprise, surprise, contraception is really popular with women, and many of them believe it’s kind of arbitrary for lots of healthcare plans to not cover contraceptives. Here again, Republicans (supposedly the party of small, limited government) insist that a religious organization have the right to specifically target women and prevent them from having their contraceptives covered by their healthcare plans. That makes it an economic issue. Religion is fine and dandy until it starts hurting people, and when you’re talking about contraception that can cost hundreds of dollars a month, you’re talking about hurting people, to indulge someone else’s religious fantasies.

    Why should any of this blow over with women? Between Obama’s margin with women and the seats you guys lost in Missouri and Indiana, this is materially costing you guys a huge amount in terms of real political power, and as far as I can tell it’s not doing you very good.

    Comment by Levi — November 10, 2012 @ 2:23 am - November 10, 2012

  12. My experience is rather like Brenda Hellwig’s, but then again most of the people I keep in touch with via facebook are more of an academic bent, and many of those have embraced the whole world of academic leftism and socialism represented by Obama. So my perspective on what other Americans did or didn’t vote for may be somewhat skewed. One reason I felt encouraged by Romney’s chances was that more of the folks I know from high school liked Romney, with the exception of most of the ones who went to elite colleges.

    Comment by Kurt — November 10, 2012 @ 2:31 am - November 10, 2012

  13. Levi, do women only remember the things Republicans say and not the things Democrats did/do?

    Bill Clinton accused of rape, Oval Office fellatio, cheated on wife

    Ted Kennedy drove his date off a bridge and murdered her.

    Famous Democrat Maher trashes women (esp. Sarah Palin the *C* word. Letterman jokes about the rape of Palin’s daughter.

    John Edwards – dirty dog I want knock his teeth out

    Anthony with his famous Weiner. If you’re looking for a way to humiliate your wife, pull a Weiner.

    Eliot Spitzer ordering up high-class hookers, but I’m not one to gossip.

    Lib Dems barely peep when Muslims stone a woman to death or is enslaved or has acid thrown on her, but cluck goes the Christian Chick-fil-a and you’re screaming louder than Cher on Twitter.

    So start with your own damn Dem war on women.

    Comment by Alan — November 10, 2012 @ 5:35 am - November 10, 2012

  14. Republicans can not seem to get the message out. I am a retired college professor and it is no secret that the colleges are FILLED with feminist and Socialist/Communist and that these college teachers are promotting their view points to the young minds that they teach.
    I have had college students who never hear of the Civil War in the US but knew quite abit about how evil the US is.

    Comment by Mike — November 10, 2012 @ 6:42 am - November 10, 2012

  15. Y’know, the GOP should just let Obama have his tax increase. We all know it will hurt the economy and do nothing to reduce the deficit.

    Comment by V the K — November 10, 2012 @ 7:42 am - November 10, 2012

  16. In our dysfunctional culture, we love millionaire celebrities, we love millionaire athletes, we love millionaire politicians, but the only millionaires we hate are the ones who create jobs.

    Comment by V the K — November 10, 2012 @ 7:47 am - November 10, 2012

  17. Dan, I don’t think most people will ever realize their mistake. No matter how bad things get they will never connect it to Obama, and will never regret electing him. If the economy is bad, their healthcare is more expensive, and their taxes are higher, they will only connect it to the president if the president is a republican.

    Comment by mnscorpio — November 10, 2012 @ 8:54 am - November 10, 2012

  18. Poor, dysfunctional Levi has to invent his facts and then lard them with hyperbole in order to even begin his diatribe because his view of reality is so warped and decrepit and flaccid. To wit:

    1. Republicans candidates promise to ban abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.

    The weasel aspect of this lie is that he can only deduce that a Republican here or there has promised to ban all abortion and then generalize that the inferred “fact” applies to every single Republican and, by further inference, to all conservatives if not all Republicans.

    This type of lying is necessary for the cowardly, because facts are troublesome and get smack in the way of the demagoguing.

    2. Republicans say that employers’ can choose not to cover contraceptives in their healthcare plan.

    Same deal and then some. The lie in the inference that it is Republican principle/policy to help employers omit contraceptive coverage for their employees. I would like to see the evidence for that one and I would like to be taken to pillory with facts. Please, Levi, beat me to a pulp.

    Nowhere is Levi willing to address the conundrum of the separation of church and state and the leftist’s requirement that the Catholic Church be forced to violate one of its basic principles. That is more weasel cowardliness.

    3. Famous Republican suffers no consequences after trashing a woman for speaking her mind in public.

    Presumably this is Rush Limbaugh v Sandra Fluke.Rush never trashed Sandra Fluke for a woman “speaking her mind.” Sandra Fluke said an enormous amount stupid stuff laced with Levi type hyperbole in attempting to make a case against the Catholic doctrine and did it in front of a staged “hearing” set up especially for the side show.

    Levi can not take Sandra Fluke’s “facts” and prove them, so he simply wants Rush Limbaugh to suffer consequences” for exposing Sandra Fluke for the idiotic claims she made.

    This is how Levi and liberals at large conduct “dialog.”

    Comment by heliotrope — November 10, 2012 @ 9:05 am - November 10, 2012

  19. Should Levi or any other shill for the demagoguing wing of Progressivism wish to actually discuss abortion, I and many others are ready, willing and able to deal with the real facts and ruminate on real solutions.

    At one point recently, Levi backed way down and asserted that he is a limited fan of abortion. Now he back with a full frontal attack and spewing lies by innuendo and false premise.

    That is how Levi operates. He can’t handle the truth. It is like sunlight to Dracula. And yet, he assumes the right to be respected. Pathetic.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 10, 2012 @ 9:21 am - November 10, 2012

  20. And we should also remember Levi’s statement that coercing women into sex (aka RAPE), having sex when you’re drunk, and “forgetting” to use condoms or birth control are no worse than paying too much for coffee or watching bad reality TV.

    The Obama Party is the party of rapists and promiscuity. You cannot get through to people like Levi who openly endorse rape. You cannot get through to women who think having unprotected sex or sex when you’re drunk is normal. You cannot get through to women who Levi and his fellow rapists have brainwashed into believing that there’s nothing wrong with your horny boyfriend pressuring you into sex. These people are not mentally capable of doing anything other than aborting children.

    Furthermore, the Obama Party is dependent on abortion for donations and to launder taxpayer money into Obama Party campaigns. Abortionist organizations like Planned Parenthood receive millions in taxpayer funding and then turn around and pump millions back into Obama Party campaigns.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 10, 2012 @ 10:10 am - November 10, 2012

  21. By the way, screaming Levi, the stupid Fluke who demands everyone else pay for her abortions is having sex with a trust-fund baby who is flying her around Italy.

    Once again, we see Levi screaming and demanding on behalf of the Obama Party that rich white people have their bills paid by working people. They are moochers and looters, and Fluke is nothing more than a mooch and a looter.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 10, 2012 @ 10:14 am - November 10, 2012

  22. There are many conflicting comments on this site. Out here in District 1, Federal, Washington State, Mr. John Koster lost to a Microsoft millionaire gal who spent over $1,000,000 of her own money to get elected to Congress. Part of the rip was that Koster wanted to stop all abortions. The two senate candidates killed their own chances with their comments. Don’t forget we are dealing with some citizens who are only minimally educated, but vote. Jay Leno regularly puts them on his show for the laughs they provide.

    Comment by Richard — November 10, 2012 @ 10:19 am - November 10, 2012

  23. Even Obama is aware that the American people don’t really want big government.

    Many do. Many prefer to be lifelong wards of the State, living off the efforts of others.

    I argue that Obama’s loss of support in this election betrays a rightward shift, beneath the surface. But that sits against the huge leftward shift of the last 80 years, in which America has become a failure-free nation of bailouts, money printing and venture socialism.

    Perhaps it would be most accurate to say Americans are conflicted about Big Government. They know it’s wrong (both morally and practically). But they want it for themselves. They lie to themselves, to justify voting for it. Obama is good at supplying the right lies.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 10, 2012 @ 10:27 am - November 10, 2012

  24. That you italicized “knowingly”, Rattlesnake, indicates that you got my point

    But did you get his? I mean: is it really possible for someone to be deceived about the fact that they’re voting for socialism, for more than a few years? If their deception lasts, aren’t they participants in it?

    In our dysfunctional culture, we love millionaire celebrities, we love millionaire athletes, we love millionaire politicians, but the only millionaires we hate are the ones who create jobs.

    That’s a culture which is willfully detached from reality; willfully committing a slow suicide.

    Then again: there are moments like Wisconsin of the past couple of years, where people break through the lies and the rackets.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 10, 2012 @ 10:38 am - November 10, 2012

  25. Jackass Levi is in his menstrual period

    “, and when she went to Congress to testify about the health benefits and absurd costs of birth control,”

    I wanna testify in congress about the absurd price of prada shoes. It is simply not fair that I am forced to pay so much for designer shoes. I want daddy zerobama to fork out some $$$ for my god given right to walk around in prada shoes!!!

    What a bunch of shameless retards you all are. Contraception is not a health problem because pregnancy is not a disease. Natural birth control methods are free of charge. There is no constitutional right to SEX regardless of what the party of bill Clinton says. There is no country in the world that provides sex to citizens. There is no country in the world that provides free birth control except totalitarian states to control the population and the nazis to sterilize the undesirable. Sandra fluke can move to a totalitarian state anytime. Good riddance.

    If you cannot consider natural birth control methods it means you are simply finding someone to pay you for your mindless screwing anything that walks. Hence fluke and the rest of the lot are WHORES.

    Levi your mother is a whore, your woman is a whore and your daughter is a whore. And I apologize to shores.

    Comment by susan — November 10, 2012 @ 11:20 am - November 10, 2012

  26. Last word is whore

    Comment by susan — November 10, 2012 @ 11:22 am - November 10, 2012

  27. the absurd costs *of birth control*

    (Emphasis added) Really? Since when did condoms go to $3000/box, or even $100/box?

    (To state an obvious side point, as one must always do with people as dumb as Levi: Prescription estrogen therapy is not birth control, and has long been covered by normal medical plans.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 10, 2012 @ 11:33 am - November 10, 2012

  28. the absurd costs *of birth control*

    Really?

    He said that?

    I guess the absurd costs of gasoline, food, and energy are of no concern, then.

    Comment by V the K — November 10, 2012 @ 12:05 pm - November 10, 2012

  29. Birth control really isn’t that expensive unless you are talking procedures like an IUD.

    BC pills can be purchased for $10 a month (generic) and probably max out around $30. I bet Sandra Fluke spends that on coffee. I bet people spend more on that on booze and cigarettes in a month.

    Condoms aren’t made of gold, and can actually be had for free at the closest health department and in many a high school nurse’s office.

    Talk about hyperbole.

    I spend more on my gas than somebody would have to spend on birth control in a single month. I would rather see Obama do more to explore for oil and natural gas.

    Comment by Just Me — November 10, 2012 @ 12:54 pm - November 10, 2012

  30. I guess for a leftist progressive, having to pay for anything is “absurd.”

    Comment by V the K — November 10, 2012 @ 12:58 pm - November 10, 2012

  31. “And your mother is a shore.”
    Does that make him a son of a beach?
    (couldn’t resist)

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 10, 2012 @ 1:20 pm - November 10, 2012

  32. Another election cycle, another laundry list of disappointments for me on national and local levels. I went to bed on Tuesday night wondering how on earth every candidate I voted has lost over the past decade. Then it dawned on me the morning after Election Day: more than half of my countrymen are diametrically opposed to my view of the world. Considering that I am one of only a handful of conservatives in my social circles (and family for that matter) it should not have come as a surprise. I am 43 yr. old business owner with what [my peers perceive to be] an obsolete approach to how things should be done. I assess situations on a case-by-case basis and I lean toward the conservative. But above all I am, at my core, a pragmatist. I am literally witnessing my own extinction; I just had no idea it would happen so rapidly, but everything seems to become obsolete the moment it’s created these days. Obamacare is now moving forward and the relationship between government and citizen will never be the same in America.

    Comment by Sharp_Right_Turn — November 10, 2012 @ 3:11 pm - November 10, 2012

  33. Yup, everyone just keep going on like you guys are absolutely right about all of this stuff and require no course correction, even after getting crushed in an election where you lost single women by 40%. You guys can really afford to be alienating people right now.

    Comment by Levi — November 10, 2012 @ 5:04 pm - November 10, 2012

  34. Just a final word to Levi . . .

    Respect for the First Amendment is not a religious fantasy. It’s an intrinsic part of the principles that this nation was founded on, and one of the most important (if not the most important) reason to continue fighting for this country, no matter what your political or religious beliefs turn out to be.

    The desire to avoid taking responsibility for one’s sex life does not trump freedom of speech and of religion. Women do not have the right to demand that their employers violate their religious principles because they do not want to pay for their own birth control. Insisting that they have the right to so is an insult to everything this country was founded on.

    No one is arguing against the right of private insurance companies to cover contraception if they choose to do so. But when women and their political allies hold religious organizations hostage to their own libido, it is a violation of everyone’s rights.

    And personally, as a woman, I still haven’t been provided a honest answer why birth control, even taken for non-contraceptive reasons, is so important that it outranks every other health need I might ever have. I’m kind of sick of being told over and over again that my vagina is the only part of me that’s of any worth.

    Comment by Katherine — November 10, 2012 @ 5:34 pm - November 10, 2012

  35. Oh, one last comment! If single women are fully willing to destroy the First Amendment rights of others in order to subsidize their own desires, their votes aren’t worth getting. If we can’t win an election without destroying these principles, then it isn’t worth winning, and if they can’t be reasoned with, their votes aren’t worth getting.

    Perhaps we need to educate these women just how accessible birth control actually is. Are they actually in denial that one can easily buy condoms at every box store and gas station in the country? That sublimating the rights of others isn’t worth it just to have access to something that’s really easy for them to get anyway? I’d be willing to chip in for their birth control supply if they’ll just leave the First Amendment alone.

    Comment by Katherine — November 10, 2012 @ 5:41 pm - November 10, 2012

  36. What Team Obama did was go after every last vote they could find. And well, I am paraphrazing I think James Carville about taking money around a trailer park. The reality is that these voters will NOT be back in 2016. No Dear Leader on the ballot. The Dem bench is beyond weak. And I do believe that the Dear Leader will by then finally hit the low-ratings he deserved now. I think that people like the IDEA of Obama, why I do not know. But the POLICIES of the Dear Leader, people don’t like.

    Comment by Mark J. Goluskin — November 10, 2012 @ 6:29 pm - November 10, 2012

  37. Katherine,

    Levi’s easier to follow when you remember he’s a serial liar, a truther, hates women who are smarter than him, and a racist.

    Once you understand that, his prattlings make sense in their origin.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 10, 2012 @ 8:03 pm - November 10, 2012

  38. You guys can really afford to be alienating people right now.

    Your type may have actually tipped the balance and we losers will just have to get used to your illogical and mean-spirited crap.

    But, George Bush can no longer provide cover for your bankrupt concept of spending exceeding income by 60% and more.

    You can spend other people’s money, but not for long. First, you have already bankrupted the treasury. Second, you are currently cranking out bogus money and devaluing the dollar and have plans in place to speed up the process. Third, employers will fire employees and maneuver employment hours to dodge the Obamacare hit. Fourth, capital will flow out of the US along with the wealthy according to where the economic advantage is better.

    So, your snide dreams about transferring wealth and forcing costs on business requires those assaulted to assess their costs and act accordingly. By some sort of short-circuited, blown-fuse substitute for logic, you blame the victim for protecting himself.

    I will be satisfied to watch you collapse the country and then come crying and demanding to be supported for your treachery. And, I am delighted that you get all pious about our guns and stores of ammunition.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 10, 2012 @ 8:32 pm - November 10, 2012

  39. Respect for the First Amendment is not a religious fantasy. It’s an intrinsic part of the principles that this nation was founded on, and one of the most important (if not the most important) reason to continue fighting for this country, no matter what your political or religious beliefs turn out to be.

    The desire to avoid taking responsibility for one’s sex life does not trump freedom of speech and of religion. Women do not have the right to demand that their employers violate their religious principles because they do not want to pay for their own birth control. Insisting that they have the right to so is an insult to everything this country was founded on.

    It would only be a violation of religious freedom if the government was forcing religious people opposed to contraceptives to take contraceptives. That isn’t what’s happening. What the Catholics are arguing for is the right to ignore laws that they disagree with, which has nothing to do with the first amendment and is quite clearly something that can’t be indulged. Contraception, as far as the government and the law is concerned, is a women’s health issue, not a religious one, despite protests from the Catholics to the contrary.

    People think that freedom of religion means that religion is special and that religion deserves preferential treatment and that religion needs to be catered to and never offended. That’s completely wrong – the first amendment as it relates to religious freedom means is more about protecting people from religion, as in, whatever works for you is fine, but don’t expect that anybody else has to take you seriously. We’re all free to believe whatever we want and view the world and the universe however we’d like to, but this is in no way a justification for forcing others to live according to your values. The Catholics’ opposition to contraceptives is a political strategy to spread the word more than it is a profound moral stance anyway. Catholics don’t get to bring the President a note from the Pope to get exceptions for laws they don’t like. This notion that nobody should have to pay for things they don’t enthusiastically support is a complete fabrication.

    I know you guys were looking forward to the President and his evil liberal army going after religious people during his first term, but it hasn’t happened, and this one controversy that you trot out over and over again is actually an example of the religious trying to impose their beliefs on others. And no, this law wasn’t passed because of ‘a desire to avoid taking responsibility for one’s sex life.’ Women have legitimate complaints about the costs of contraception and the tendency for contraception not to be covered by healthcare plans, and dismissing those arguments and the many millions of women who are persuaded by them by saying they’re just looking to avoid responsibility for behaving irresponsibly is another sterling example of why Republicans are so unpopular with women.

    No one is arguing against the right of private insurance companies to cover contraception if they choose to do so. But when women and their political allies hold religious organizations hostage to their own libido, it is a violation of everyone’s rights.

    Clearly, there are some medical procedures that healthcare plans and employers should not cover. Liposuction and breast implants come to mind (although even those are justifiable in some cases). However, contraception is a fundamental women’s health issue, involving as it does the incredibly complex female reproductive system and hormone swings and physical discomfort that go along with menstruation. It seems to me that women and their doctors are the people in the best positions to make medical decisions in this area, and that Catholic bishops, even the ones that employ these women, have absolutely no meaningful input. Remember how the conservative argument against Obamacare involves breathless warnings about government bureaucrats being put in between the patient-doctor relationship? That is exactly what Catholics are insisting they be able to do. In this scenario, the only one’s rights being violated are the women being categorically denied contraception coverage. Yes, they could pay for it, but where does it stop? Women still have to go to the doctor to be examined, should the church be off the hook for paying for that doctor’s visit if it’s explicit purpose was to receive a prescription for contraception? If a woman has health complications as a direct result of using contraception, can the church avoid paying for any of those costs? Women that need the contraception for health reasons and aren’t sexually active, would they be permitted to go to their bosses and give detailed reports about the health problems their sexual organs cause them and get an exception?

    And you want to pretend like the bishops are having their rights violated?

    It’s worth pointing out, by the way, that the Catholic hierarchy that came up with this anti-contraceptives policy is exclusively male. Ah yes, men telling women what to do with their sex organs, God bless freedom of religion!

    And personally, as a woman, I still haven’t been provided a honest answer why birth control, even taken for non-contraceptive reasons, is so important that it outranks every other health need I might ever have. I’m kind of sick of being told over and over again that my vagina is the only part of me that’s of any worth.

    ???

    Nobody is telling you that. You’re imagining that you’re being insulted so you can disengage from the argument.

    Comment by Levi — November 11, 2012 @ 12:38 pm - November 11, 2012

  40. Perhaps we need to educate these women just how accessible birth control actually is. Are they actually in denial that one can easily buy condoms at every box store and gas station in the country? That sublimating the rights of others isn’t worth it just to have access to something that’s really easy for them to get anyway? I’d be willing to chip in for their birth control supply if they’ll just leave the First Amendment alone.

    This is another reason why contraption coverage is so crucial. Women, specifically teenage girls, get a lot of pressure from their boyfriends to have sex without condoms. And while it would be great to hope that these girls should be strong and resolute and could always explain to their guys why it’s important to be responsible and careful, that’s an unrealistic expectation and you know it. Men have a tendency to not plan ahead and be indulgent and can be very good at manipulating the emotions of the women they’re trying to sleep with. That’s why other forms of contraception are so popular with women (and men), and those forms actually aren’t something you can just stroll into a box store or gas station and buy. You have to go to a doctor and get tested and make sure that this contraception isn’t going to throw your hormones out of balance or prevent you from being able to conceive. In other words, it’s a health issue, and it doesn’t make sense to not have it covered under a healthcare plan.

    The pill is almost 100% effective and requires absolutely no effort or compromise on the part of the man, whereas condoms are less effective for about a half dozen reasons, including user error and the aforementioned reluctance of many men to use them at all. No wonder it is so popular. But you do have to do work ahead of time to get it, and it’s complete bullshit for your boss to claim the right to interfere with that. Again, this isn’t a case of the government violating the freedom of the religious, but of the religious violating the freedom of women.

    Comment by Levi — November 11, 2012 @ 12:55 pm - November 11, 2012

  41. Presumably this is Rush Limbaugh v Sandra Fluke.Rush never trashed Sandra Fluke for a woman “speaking her mind.” Sandra Fluke said an enormous amount stupid stuff laced with Levi type hyperbole in attempting to make a case against the Catholic doctrine and did it in front of a staged “hearing” set up especially for the side show.

    Levi can not take Sandra Fluke’s “facts” and prove them, so he simply wants Rush Limbaugh to suffer consequences” for exposing Sandra Fluke for the idiotic claims she made.

    This is how Levi and liberals at large conduct “dialog.”

    Oh, Rush was ‘exposing Sandra Fluke for the idiotic claims she made.’ Rush is capable of dialog, while liberals like Sandra Fluke or not. That’s why he called her a slut, and a prostitute, and suggest a compromise of paying for Sandra Fluke’s birth control so long as she records herself having sex, posts the video on the internet, and allows Rush Limbaugh to watch her.

    In reality, the dialog on this little flare-up has almost entirely consisted of liberals proposing contraception coverage as a means of reducing abortions, improving women’s health, and saving women money. Conservatives ignore all of these arguments and say that women who make these arguments are actually just lazy whores. You accuse the liberals of staying stupid stuff and setting up sideshows, but Rush Limbaugh is having a dialog and exposing charlatans.

    And Republicans are perplexed that they can’t win women voters? I mean by all means, if it is your wont to double down on this strategy and continue with Rush Limbaugh as your standard bearer, I won’t get in your way. People like Rush Limbaugh have a clear responsibility for Republicans getting crushed for the past few election cycles, so I’m not going to complain if you guys want to keep shooting yourselves in the foot by not assigning him that responsibility. Just keep going to the mat for something that is not all that controversial and chasing people away with your stupidity and viciousness, it’s really the best thing you can do for the country.

    Comment by Levi — November 11, 2012 @ 1:26 pm - November 11, 2012

  42. The Wall Street Journal noted that:

    Here is some of what Ms. Fluke said:

    Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy.

    That was her “dialog” and it was Levi sized hyperbole which means L.I.E..

    The Wall Street Journal continued to note:

    …the law students could buy condoms online at $40.25 for a package of 100. (…) the Georgetown students could have sex twice a day, 365 days a year, for all three years of law school, for just $881 dollars.

    Ooops.

    Ms. Fluke and her friends could go to Walmart or Target, whose lists of inexpensive drugs include the oral contraceptive Tri-Sprintec priced at $4 for a 28-day supply. Total cost, assuming continuous use for three full years (including the summer after graduating law school or before starting): about $150.

    And Rush Limbaugh mocked her stupidity or demagoguing or bald faced lying. (Much like I do when Levi struts his ignorance and exaggeration across this stage.)

    Rush said Fluke was talking through her vagina and for her vagina. He said she was whoring for public funds to pay for her vaginal escapades. He said she was playing the victim so she could have unbridled sex at no cost to herself. Then he said that if the taxpayer is to be expected to pay for her vagina protection, maybe the public should get something in return. He posited the idea that she make a video post of her publicly financed vagina protection in action.

    At no time did Rush joke about A-Rod raping Fluke’s 12 year old daughter or sister or call her a c**t or a t**t or did he say: “Now you got Uncle Women, like (Sandra Fluke), who jumps on the shit and points her fingers at other women. Turncoat bitch! Don’t you fuckin’ reference Old Testament, bitch! You stay with your new Goyish crappy shiksa funky bullshit! Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you bitch! Because we have left it open for interpre-ta-tion! It is no longer taken literally! You whore in your fuckin’ cheap New Vision cheap-ass plastic glasses and your [sneering voice] hair up. A Tina Fey-Megan Mullally brokedown bullshit moment.”

    Nope. Rush didn’t go that route.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 11, 2012 @ 6:29 pm - November 11, 2012

  43. The Wall Street Journal noted that:

    Here is some of what Ms. Fluke said:

    Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy.

    That was her “dialog” and it was Levi sized hyperbole which means L.I.E..

    The Wall Street Journal continued to note:

    …the law students could buy condoms online at $40.25 for a package of 100. (…) the Georgetown students could have sex twice a day, 365 days a year, for all three years of law school, for just $881 dollars.

    Ooops.

    Ms. Fluke and her friends could go to Walmart or Target, whose lists of inexpensive drugs include the oral contraceptive Tri-Sprintec priced at $4 for a 28-day supply. Total cost, assuming continuous use for three full years (including the summer after graduating law school or before starting): about $150.

    And Rush Limbaugh mocked her stupidity or demagoguing or bald faced lying. (Much like I do when Levi struts his ignorance and exaggeration across this stage.)

    Rush said Fluke was talking through her vagina and for her vagina. He said she was whoring for public funds to pay for her vaginal escapades. He said she was playing the victim so she could have unbridled sex at no cost to herself. Then he said that if the taxpayer is to be expected to pay for her vagina protection, maybe the public should get something in return. He posited the idea that she make a video post of her publicly financed vagina protection in action.

    At no time did Rush joke about A-Rod raping Fluke’s 12 year old daughter or sister or call her a c**t or a t**t or did he say: “Now you got Uncle Women, like (Sandra Fluke), who jumps on the sh*t and points her fingers at other women. Turncoat b*tch! Don’t you f*ckin’ reference Old Testament, b*tch! You stay with your new Goyish crappy shiksa funky bullsh*t! Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you b*tch! Because we have left it open for interpre-ta-tion! It is no longer taken literally! You whore in your f*ckin’ cheap New Vision cheap-ass plastic glasses and your [sneering voice] hair up. A Tina Fey-Megan Mullally brokedown bullsh*t moment.”

    Nope. Rush didn’t go that route.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 11, 2012 @ 6:32 pm - November 11, 2012

  44. The entertaining thing about this is that Levi is confirming what we already knew: liberal women are imbeciles who are so mentally incapable that they cannot say no to men, and liberal men like Levi are promiscuous liars and manipulators who coerce women into sex against their will and want birth control for their personal convenience.

    Conservatives have no problem controlling themselves sexually. Conservative women have no problem saying no to men or demanding that they wear a condom to have sex. Conservative men have no problem respecting womens’ no, wearing a condom, or taking responsibility for what they do.

    The basic problem is that you are a rapist, and your wife is a mental midget who has been so hopelessly brainwashed that she believes that she has to spread her legs for every man who orders her to do it. And, since you want to continue raping women, and you want women to continue to be subservient and obey you, you want the rest of us to lower our standards to your level, in which your choice to rape a woman is no different than paying too much for coffee or watching bad reality TV.

    Here’s the deal, Levi; once you admit that you are an incorrigible rapist who cannot control yourself from manipulating and coercing women into sex without a condom, AND you admit that your “wife” is an idiot who is so incapable of saying no to men that she has to be stuffed full of birth control pills to keep her from being perpetually pregnant, then we can talk about the necessity of demanding that other people pay your abortion and contraception bills.

    But up until that point, if your “wife” doesn’t want to be pregnant, she can say no or demand that you wear a condom, and if you don’t want to get a girl pregnant, you can respect that no or wear a condom. And if you don’t like either option, you can accept pregnancy as the likely outcome of your behavior, and hopefully you will give the child up for adoption instead of placing it under the burden of being raised by an imbecile and a rapist like your wife and you.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 11, 2012 @ 8:09 pm - November 11, 2012

RSS feed for comments on this post.

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.