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Echoing Treebeard, Ace counsels conservatives not to be hasty

Grateful to Glenn who links and offers, “Remember, they want you to be depressed, and to respond stupidly and impulsively.

In J.R.R. Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, Treebeard said that his motto was, “Dont’ be hasty.”

In the wake of last Tuesday’s debacle, Ace, aware that “the entire movement is depressed — almost suicidally” offers similar counsel because

. . . it’s never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching consequences when you’re in such a state. I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some thinking.

It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress.

Maybe we shouldn’t be as hasty.

He’s right; we shouldn’t be hasty in deciding the way forward.  That said, we’re already beginning the process of considering the way forward.  Now is perhaps the time for consideration, to put ideas out there.  Later will come the time for action, choosing which ideas to adopt and determining the best ways to put them into practice.

UPDATE:  In  a similar vein, Peter Wehner believes . . .

. . . we should use this moment to encourage fresh thinking and not vilify those who engage in it. At the same time, it seems to me that trying to fully understand the consequences of this election and what it means for conservatism 72 hours or so after the vote is probably unwise. We have plenty of time to sort through the exit polling data and think things through in a prudent manner.

And because politics has taken an orientation not favorable to us now doesn’t mean that is a permanent condition. As Gilbert reminds us, “Central to Churchill’s belief was the conviction that the public would respond fairly to a good case, well presented.” Nor should we grow weary as the struggle proceeds. Because there are still things worth fighting for.

Read the whole thing.

FROM THE COMMENTS:  Going on a tangent, but he’s onto something, patrick1 find it . .

. . . embarrassing is that conservatives are acting the way liberals did in 2004. We are better than that and should act that way.

Now we move away from the conspiracy theories and the silly season of the loss and start doing what we do best, think.

We will come to the correct conclusions just as we did in ancient times (2010).



  1. “Putting ideas out there” is like asking to be a clay pigeon hung on a string at a shotgun blast-away contest where all the shooters take wild aim spray the arena with buckshot.

    We have good, solid ideas. The tipping point has gone to the hare-brained and the hair-trigger crowd.

    No soul living has any more idea of Obama’s agenda in 2012 than anyone had in 2008.

    The Axlerod method is to destroy the opposition in any and every way possible and the liberal voter sits at the foot of the guillotine and mumbles the talking points. “It would be easier for the weakest poltroon that lives, to erase himself from existence, than to erase one letter of his name or crimes from the knitted register of Madame Defarge.”

    One of the issues that needs to be carefully assessed is whether the tipping point can be reversed and whether America can be fundamentally restored.

    When you are playing on their courts and by their rules, the game is theirs.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 12, 2012 @ 9:14 pm - November 12, 2012

  2. I couldn’t agree more. It is always a big mistake to react to catastrophic events on pure emotion. Wouldn’t it be awesome to be able to counsel with one of the great conservative activists in recent years. Sure could use him now. I really wonder what Andrew would have to say about the pickle we are in. Well, let’s ask:

    Andrew, you are surely missed!!

    Comment by mixitup — November 12, 2012 @ 9:19 pm - November 12, 2012

  3. It’s kind of insulting to assume that those who have analyzed a situation and drawn a different conclusion than you have are acting on pure emotion.

    I spent all summer and fall being called an Eeyore; but in the end, I was vindicated. I’m not happy about being right, but at the end of the day… I was right.

    Comment by V the K — November 12, 2012 @ 9:32 pm - November 12, 2012

  4. heliotrope, as he so often does, clearly explains the problem by being an example of it.

    Comment by Mike R. — November 12, 2012 @ 9:52 pm - November 12, 2012

  5. Sorry, but this is what happens when raw emotions rule actions:

    Comment by mixitup — November 12, 2012 @ 10:10 pm - November 12, 2012

  6. What is embarrassing is that conservatives are acting the way liberals did in 2004. We are better than that and should act that way.

    Now we move away from the conspiracy theories and the silly season of the loss and start doing what we do best, think.

    We will come to the correct conclusions just as we did in ancient times (2010).

    Comment by patrick1 — November 13, 2012 @ 12:03 am - November 13, 2012

  7. If Obama gets too malevolent on civil liberties or the “blues” get too nasty about taking the assetts of those who actually produce. We (the reds) actually have the upper hand and we have the power to cause the entire Obama admin to resign and to get exactly what we want. All completely legal too. I will not give away the mechanism for fear they will do something about it but take a look at “blue vs red” across the USA on a county by county basis (look at a map of the USA).
    Get any ideas here? What do they need and what do we have?

    Comment by DBO — November 13, 2012 @ 12:07 am - November 13, 2012

  8. Right now we conservatives need to shut up and wait. This economy is on the point of implosion. The employment numbers and gdp numbers are going to tank, and we are the only ones with effective answers, but we cannot reply until asked.

    Patience. Resolution. Fortitude.

    Remaking ourselves into the Democratic Party is the worst thing we can do. We have to be the adults.

    We face an extremely difficult time, and, of course we want to do something, but right now is not the time.

    We are vulnerable in the press, but BHO failed to remember the MO of the MSM: Build up an idol and when he screws up (Benghazi, Petraeus, F&F, sweetheart deals with unions) Waste him.

    The press hates being suckered. I bet January will be this administration’s worst month unless you count the rest of the year.

    The best answer is wait, remain calm, let the Dems do themselves in.

    Comment by Lee Dodson — November 13, 2012 @ 12:08 am - November 13, 2012

  9. You want to re-gain the youth vote?

    I can get that for you with two words: Legalize Pot.

    Trust me, stoners will crawl over shards of glass to get that carrot!

    Comment by Mark Turner — November 13, 2012 @ 12:11 am - November 13, 2012

  10. Pouring over polls to determine our next course is so . . . Clintonian.

    We don’t need polls to tell us what we believe. We lost an election by 3% nationally, closer in the battleground states. We blew chances to pick up several Senate seats and lost ground there, too.

    There is far more to be gained by revamping our ground game and GOTV efforts which failed miserably than by cynically revising our principled positions for the prospect of electoral gain.

    Comment by Boris_Badenoff — November 13, 2012 @ 12:31 am - November 13, 2012

  11. Had Romney won, the fate of the U.S. would not be certain. Now government’s taken over another 20% of the GDP, and it’s pay-for-play at the ballot. The tipping point has been reached. We have a Marxist in the White House! Shouting “Remain Calm” like Kevin Bacon in Animal House is not the answer either.

    To not react is what they expect. Go “Cloward & Piven” on the liberals! EVERY conservative should be signing up for every Federal freebie available. Drown the system. Put your banana peel in recycle. Use 10 forms instead of two. Take! Let’s blow the bottom out of this cycle NOW so even the stupidest among us see that government is not the answer.

    Comment by C Bauer — November 13, 2012 @ 12:38 am - November 13, 2012

  12. Face the facts. Romney was a moderate, which should have appealed to the center. He didn’t run on social issues, again not scaring off the center. He ran on fiscal responsibility and restraint. He was a good candidate, as good as the republicans could have fielded. By all rights, a sack of moldy potatoes should have beaten obama.

    Romney was a good man, a principled man, and what they did to him was disgusting, to say the least, but not at all shocking considering who they are. I’m a libertarian, austrian by persuasion. A former republican. Call me one of Reagan’s children as I came of age during his time, but left the republicans a ways back. As if W wasn’t enough!! Romney wasn’t my cup of tea, but considering the shitburger that was obama…

    Truth is the country is no longer what it was, and nothing the republicans/conservatives could have done would have mattered. What they’re searching for – message, content, delivery, etc. – is in reality this: they need to accept that the country is long gone. It’s gone to the moochers and looters, and the tipping point has been reached and passed.

    Seriously, look for your answers, but they are staring you in the face. Carter (’80) and Mondale (’84) could only muster 40%. At the least obama started with 48-49%. There’s nothing the conservatives/republicans can do. That very fact is all you need to understand. An even if Romney had been elected, there wasn’t a thing he could have done other than slow down the inevitable anyway…

    The course has been set. The dollar will crash, the government will go bankrupt, and hyper-inflation will spread. But the good news is exactly that. The welfare/warfare state will cease. Unlike Rome, there are no barbarians on the border.

    Conservatives are still living in the fantasy that America is still the America they read about: conquering Nazi Germany; defeating the Soviets; land of the free, home of the brave; land of liberty; etc. Ain’t no more. We’re not even close to that land anymore, been a long time too.

    So tilt at your windmills, but accept that you can’t change what’s already happened. America, at least the one conservatives hold dear, doesn’t exist anymore. I wish it did. Was nice while it lasted.

    Comment by Slayer Rules — November 13, 2012 @ 12:59 am - November 13, 2012

  13. It made absolutely no difference what kind of candidate Romney was, because the American electorate’s view of him — and of Obama — was the bizarrely distorted one provided by the mainstream media. The same thing would have happened to any other Republican nominee.

    The Left now controls the education system from kindergarten to university, the news media, and the entertainment industry. It can, and does, indoctrinate Americans for the first two decades of their lives and then feed them a steady diet of propaganda after that. The result is an electorate that is thoroughly brainwashed. No non-leftist candidate will ever have a chance as long as this system is in place. The teachers, journalists, and pop stars will simply tell them that the candidate in question is an evil monster who gives people cancer, wants to kill Big Bird, and will ban all contraception — and they’ll believe it.

    There is no political solution to this problem. The only way to fix it is to alter the culture. That means breaking the leftist stranglehold on the schools, the news media, and the entertainment business. I don’t know how to accomplish that, but I know that no other attempt to tip the political scales can succeed until that stranglehold is broken.

    Comment by Sundog — November 13, 2012 @ 1:44 am - November 13, 2012

  14. First, the next 4 years in the US are not going to be good ones, and Obama may realize that he is in charge of the Titanic. So relax, load up on necessities and watch the show.

    Second, the real action will be international. The Middle East Caliphate is out of American Hands now: it is a power vacuum right now (which is why things are burning up).

    Second (b) watch what’s going on in the Pacific: there are something most Americans don’t notice, called the “sea lanes”. America has policed those sea lanes since WWII. But, American people will have to learn that when the sea lanes look like a Detroit back alley, well, the prices at Walmart will go up, and that is the beginning. Bernanke is just beginning his magic show with the money printing presses.

    Obama and friends do not approve of dirty old oil. Well, north of America lies Canada, which is in the middle of signing a treaty with China, allowing Chinese investments (and power) throughout the country (didja know Canada has lots of minerals, and stuff, that China wants.) I never have wanted to bow to Chinese overlords, but thanks to the some 50% of Americans, I guess I will have to.

    Comment by heathermc — November 13, 2012 @ 1:47 am - November 13, 2012

  15. “It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress.”

    Sorry. I don’t have time or inclination to bother trying to help a public this stupid. I think the GOP has lost common sense, and has too many people who only want their way or none. Since Demagogues have assumed control, I don’t see much future for a republic in this nation, if it can still be called that. We are no longer a melting pot, no longer educated in the basics of our government, and no longer interested in nationhood or our place in the world. Mostly, I see this as due to the loss of a free market of ideas, as academia and the media have become monopolized by liberalism, and I can’t see the balance swinging back in my lifetime.

    Good luck.

    Comment by flataffect — November 13, 2012 @ 2:57 am - November 13, 2012

  16. Now is perhaps the time for consideration, to put ideas out there

    There is a lot of uncertainty about what is going to happen in the future, but one thing I am certain of is that conservatives should be loud and continue talking about what is going to happen (the coming economic crisis) and what its causes are. Who knows how the American public is going to react to it. They could either realize that the crisis is the product of unsustainable big government, or, more likely, they could demand more big government as the solution and drag the crisis out unnecessarily, then credit those left-wing policies with the “recovery.” Like the Great Depression. That is why communication is so important right now, just to increase the probability that Americans will blame the right people.

    And again, I thought “reds” were communists. Your colouring system is screwy.

    We don’t need polls to tell us what we believe.


    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 13, 2012 @ 3:51 am - November 13, 2012

  17. It seems to me that we’ve reached a point where being the “party of failing brakes” on a car screaming towards a brick wall is not really a good use of time, talent or treasure. Slowing the car from 90 miles an hour to 80 miles an hour may be meaningful work for some, but not for me. For the foreseeable future, we’ll run trillion dollar deficits, but I suppose if we fight really hard, we can shrink them to 750 billion a year. My take is, there will be more people receiving some sort of government aid in 2016 than not, and that means electoral victories for Democrats until the whole system crashes. I consider that view rather clear-eyed, not emotional.

    Comment by Discursions — November 13, 2012 @ 5:17 am - November 13, 2012

  18. I think Rattlesnake is about right here. Honestly, we’re looking at recession being a very significant likelihood in the next year (I put it over 50%). And, if that happens, there’s a pretty significant likelihood of a full-fledged crisis. So, what libertarians and conservatives need to do is disassociate themselves and free market policies from what’s about to happen. They need to establish clearly and distinctly that the economy now is the economy of Dodd-Frank, tax increases, Obamacare, and increased regulatory intervention. Now, there’s one question. How do we do that? I mean I’ve been trying to do that as much as possible in blog comments and on my Facebook page, but I’m only talking to a few people there. We need to establish, in no uncertain terms, that the near-term future is owned by Barack Obama and modern leftism (I won’t call their view liberal by an stretch of the imagination.). That seems the sticking point. The legacy media (and this election proves they still have power) isn’t yet so triumphalist that they’re ready to stop hedging their bets and they’ve shown they have no compunction about reversing their stories when things go wrong (“It’s the Democrats’ Turn with the Economy” followed “It’s Still Bush’s Fault”). So how do we make the truth known?

    Comment by Bill Dalasio — November 13, 2012 @ 5:37 am - November 13, 2012

  19. Reacting hastily to catastrophic events is what saddled us with the Dept. of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act and the TSA.

    And while I hope there are people investigating allegations of voter fraud quietly behind the scenes, I don’t want to hear how this election was lost to fraud unless there’s some concrete evidence to back it up. There were any number of factors contributing to this wretched result and they need to be examined dispassionately.

    I’m exceedingly concerned and more than a little disgusted, but I’m not depressed, certainly not suicidal and I don’t need my confidence restored. It’s roll up your sleeves time.

    Comment by SukieTawdry — November 13, 2012 @ 5:58 am - November 13, 2012

  20. Our principals may be right but perhaps their application has been wrong. Perhaps the assessment of the environment was faulty, especially since perspectives can be molded by perceptions. Simply because an election went the wrong way doesn’t mean that UP has become DOWN. Sober thought would seem to be in order, and a reexamination of the decisions that brought things to this state.
    Personally I like ideas in which the electorate is educated on principals we believe we understand and they don’t seem to be “getting”. Many in this country have come from different upbringings than that of the former “mainstream”.

    Comment by Big_Al — November 13, 2012 @ 6:03 am - November 13, 2012

  21. Haste is what got us into this mess; not merely the party, but more importantly a multitude that finds the range-of-the-moment comfort of welfare alms (altruism) superior to a lifetime of self-directed / independent / productive purpose (egoism).

    I think, the course of the country will be altered when the money has run out that supports the existing course. There are simply too many on the mooch.

    Comment by egoist — November 13, 2012 @ 6:21 am - November 13, 2012

  22. And how do we know it’s not people clinging to the delusional “the Republican Party is just fine, on to 2016!” slogan who are reacting emotionally?

    Comment by V the K — November 13, 2012 @ 6:24 am - November 13, 2012

  23. #17. Fraud? Check out Cleveland, OH and Philly results. I agree with not over-reacting catastrophes, but look at what happened to create Homeland Security and TSA. Democrats INSISTED on larger and more powerful bureaucracies and then unionized them. Obama will continue and expand this policy, for example, the “fiscal cliff.” He creates a problem and then a bureaucracy to “manage” it. All the while individual freedoms are whittled away at greater and greater speed.

    Comment by Splainin2Do — November 13, 2012 @ 6:36 am - November 13, 2012

  24. Until the blatant bias of the press is neutralized in some fashion, conservatives will still be fighting with one arm tied behind our backs. Lindsey Graham is already trying to curry favor and he won’t be the last. These people need to be stopped and not be allowed to speak for conservatives. Stopping the Democrat media from setting the narrative is just as important.

    Comment by Bill M — November 13, 2012 @ 7:57 am - November 13, 2012

  25. Not all Republicans lost in 2012. A strong critic of government spending and earmarks, Jeff Flake, won a Senate seat in Arizona. Conservative Ted Cruz beat the next in line Republican and won a Senate seat in Texas. Republicans held the House and state government. The other side showed that they can register a bunch of blacks and use union members to haul them to the polls. We can use our state government strength to limit early voting and shift poll hours toward the morning. We lost lots of low information voters to negative ads and biased media. We can overcome this by starting the ground game and local cable TV ads earlier. Time to learn from our failure and prepare to ride a wave in 2014. The reason I’m not completely depressed is lots of small business can get away with ignoring the stupid regulations passed by the Obama administration. Split businesses into <50 employee chunks and Obamacare doesn't apply.

    Comment by George B — November 13, 2012 @ 8:03 am - November 13, 2012

  26. “Angry people are not often wise.”

    -Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice

    Comment by Rosley — November 13, 2012 @ 8:12 am - November 13, 2012

  27. No one seems to be saying that fielding a red-meat conservative would have saved the day. No one seems to be saying that Romney blew it by being to nice. No one seems to be saying that any particular other guy could have pulled us through.

    That means that no one quite knows what the voters want and how to deliver it to them. After all, the voters “decide” who wins.

    Just maybe, the voters have been set up by public schools and colleges and Hollywood and the media and popular culture to see Uncle Sugar as the first resort in times of trouble. “Hey Dude, don’t make it bad …. Take a sad thing and make it better …. Remember to let Uncle Sugar into your heart ….. Then you can start to make it better ….. And anytime you feel the pain, hey Dude, refrain ….. Don’t carry the world upon your shoulders …. For well you know that its a fool who plays it cool ….. By making the world a little colder ….. blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah blah

    It is demographics and pandering time if we are going to regain the national government.

    But the true action is in the states. It is no fluke that the House of Representatives is Republican again. The flyover yokels don’t trust the liberals and the liberals all but hate the neanderthals in the areas outside of the cities.

    It is fascinating how many libs have shown up to tell us who we are and what we did wrong and what we should do now.

    But, those same libs really don’t want to take the reins and put their beliefs into practice and fundamentally Europeanize and Californicate America.

    Why is that? Could it be that they need someone to hate and blame more than they believe their talking points? After all, they are here in numbers to gloat, with is just a form of hate.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 13, 2012 @ 9:20 am - November 13, 2012

  28. . . . embarrassing is that conservatives are acting the way liberals did in 2004. We are better than that and should act that way.

    Let me play devil’s advocate for a second here. Whether or not an actual strategy, in a very real sense BDS worked. The relentless cascade of negativity and assignation of blame for everything down to stubbed toes eventually creeped far enough into the public consciousness that, even by cultural osmosis, it poisoned the public toward the Republican brand and probably helped to hand the the Democrats Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008 (and probably 2012).

    Comment by Bill Dalasio — November 13, 2012 @ 9:30 am - November 13, 2012

  29. I can’t care any more. Idiots who want big daddy government to take care of their every need are pushing the bus off the cliff, and their selfish shortsightedness will bankrupt the nation, and bring the rest of the world spiralling down the whirlpool along with it.

    Girls are not taught math by the state because if they could get around the very concept of 16 Trillion, they would not be voting for Dems so devotedly. What a great bunch of feminists, swooning like southern belles over a guy who is less manly than Shirley Temple, and openly voting for him because he is “dreamy.” What are you girls SMOKING?! YOU ARE DOOMING YOUR CHILDREN to a life of indentured servitude!

    And blacks and gays and jews and latinos: what has this incompetent narcissist done for you? He gives lip service to whatever he thinks you want to hear. But he never does shit for you. You are all much worse off now than under Bush.

    You student loan slaves who think Obama is going to bail you out now? You are not his crony! You are not Solyndra. You are disposable, now that you’ve stupidly voted for somebody who will now ENSURE that you go down in flames. At least getting rid of this Administration would have given us the chance of getting the economy to regenerate. That alone would have helped everybody out of the current DEPRESSION.

    And the rest of the world cheering on the election of this “historic” borderline? You had a friend in the U.S. who kept the Soviets at bay, who stood by Israel, and who backed up any place in the world that wanted to be a democratic haven from tyranny. Now that’s gone, and the wolves are at the door, in every corner of the world. Congratulations on your Nobel Prize winner!

    So the heck with everybody. It can’t be combatted; it just has to be allowed to happen. It’s a runaway freight train. Just like in the 30s. People championed fascism thinking they could get their selfish, petty, personal needs fulfilled by every lying brownshirt who promised that “those other people” would pay for it all.

    You are ALL “those other people.” And by the time this is all over, many millions of you will be dead. That’s the inevitable result of a corrupt and selfish people.

    Comment by Spamf Roming — November 13, 2012 @ 10:37 am - November 13, 2012

  30. IF you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;

    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    ‘ Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
    if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son.

    — R. Kipling

    Comment by Ignatius — November 13, 2012 @ 11:10 am - November 13, 2012

  31. I’m personally angry. One can argue voter fraud caused this. Or Romney played too clean. Whatever. I think it’s time to stop being civilized. We need to give the Democrats back exactly what they give us. So if you have an Obama sign, you just lost my business. If you are an outspoken Democrat, a donor, or one of their trolls, I publicly shun you. You’re not longer fit for civil treatment. As much as I can without breaking the law, I act to harm you. I go Galt as much as I can. Screw civility. Bullies and cheats deserve neither.

    Comment by Kathy — November 13, 2012 @ 11:59 am - November 13, 2012

  32. Oh, dear, Ignatius has found something “deep” in Kipling’s If, but judging by the bold facing job, Ignatius does not have a clue what the poem is actually saying.

    So, here is some help:

    First stanza
    – irrationality (“keep your head…”)
    – doubt in oneself (“trust yourself)
    – impatience (“wait and not be tired by waiting”)
    – petty behavior (“don’t deal in lies”)
    – immoderation (“don’t look too good…”)

    Second stanza
    – being unrealistic (“not make dreams your master”)
    – postponing (“not make thoughts your aim”)
    – overreacting (“meet with triumph and disaster”)
    – weakness (be able to withstand misfortune)

    Third stanza
    – worry and fear (“risk…and lose and start again”)
    – being self-serving (“never breathe a word” about loss)
    – quitting (“hold on when there is nothing in you)

    Fourth stanza
    – pride and arrogance (“keep virtue and common touch”)
    – dependency (“If all men count with you, but none too much”)
    – wasting time (“If you can fill the unforgiving minute”)

    This is poem about moderation and balance and becoming a whole man (person/woman/transexual.) It is not about winning and losing and strategy.

    The democrats depend upon lying and create great lies which is petty behavior, but it works for them, so they capitalize in it and build their foundation on lies. (See: Obamacare.)

    The democrats are motivated by irrationality such as spendint and taxing and borrowing your way out of debt. Such as “from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.” Giving terrorists as defined by the Geneva code the rights of US citizens and trying them in civil courts as if they are not so far outside the law that not even the Geneva Conventions cover their sorry butts.

    There is certainly nothing “unrealistic” about taxing the rich for billions to pay off the deficit that has been over $1.4 Trillion each of Obama’s four years and will continue at this rate for the foreseeable future. And it is certainly “reasonable” to take the Social Security revenues and spend them all over the place while replacing them with I.O.U.’s.

    And so forth.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 13, 2012 @ 1:28 pm - November 13, 2012

  33. Perhaps the useful Kipling is this:

    Now this is the Law of the Jungle — as old and as true as the sky;
    And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.
    As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back —
    For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.

    The liars and cheats and scoundrels have taken the day. That is the pack we face. Either we engage them or we patiently encourage them to do the inevitable which is to turn them loose on one another and tear themselves apart.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 13, 2012 @ 1:42 pm - November 13, 2012

  34. Is it too much to accept, that Romney is weird and not a conservative, which made his supporters the same? That when the base said, “Anyone But Romney,” we meant even Obama – and stayed home? That you blew this one, from the get-go, and did so in such epic fashion actual conservatives are, reluctantly, getting a laugh out of it?

    Comment by The Crack Emcee — November 13, 2012 @ 2:00 pm - November 13, 2012

  35. 33. Yeah, that’s a better fit than If. However, I think one really needs to go to Chesterton’s The Last Hero or Kipling’s Macdonough’s Song. In part….

    “Whether The People be led by The Lord,
    Or lured by the loudest throat:
    If it be quicker to die by the sword
    Or cheaper to die by vote–
    These are things we have dealt with once,
    (And they will not rise from their grave)
    For Holy People, however it runs,
    Endeth in wholly Slave.

    Whatsoever, for any cause,
    Seeketh to take or give
    Power above or beyond the Laws,
    Suffer it not to live!”

    We are either a people under the Constitution or we are slaves. If we go down that latter path, let us not go gracefully or quietly.

    Comment by Kevin — November 13, 2012 @ 2:19 pm - November 13, 2012

  36. Don’t panic. Don’t abandon your ideals. Remember in 2016 the Democrats most likely won’t have an idol to run.

    Comment by MassJim — November 13, 2012 @ 3:37 pm - November 13, 2012

  37. […] To continue the Tolkein motif, Gaypatriot expands on Ace’s Treebeardian wisdom on the recent election: Don’t be hasty. […]

    Pingback by An Unexpected Journey | Remodern America : The Art Blog — November 13, 2012 @ 8:50 pm - November 13, 2012

  38. Republican Party doesn’t really want new ideas. They don’t even want to look at the reality of America today.

    77% of the public thinks abortion should be legal in every case or at least in some cases, while 20% think it should never be legal. Yet in state-after state, legislatures pass laws with stupid restrictions. Ultrasound, whatever. They nominate the idiot in Indiana who basically said he thought it was God’s will that certain women got raped. That may not be what he meant to say, but he was stupid enough to actually say it. (numbers from latest Gallop poll)

    And whatever he actually meant, it was pretty clear that his views fell outside the views of at least a big chunk of that 77%.

    As long as those are the folks nominated by the party. As long as pundits keep going on about how horrible it is that DADT was ended, or that gay marriage is gaining ground, and all the other nonsense, the GOP is going to get left farther and farther behind. They may be embarrassed by Phred Phelps, but they don’t disagree with everything he does.

    And be fair, George W. Bush didn’t believe in smaller government. He added entitlements and grew government all over the place. The security theater we have to endure since 9/11, the DHS, No Child Left Behind (usually called No Dollar Left Behind by teachers)

    So what is the message of the GOP?

    Comment by Zendo Deb — November 13, 2012 @ 9:54 pm - November 13, 2012

  39. Don’t panic, but look at the situation in a cold blooded and rational manner.

    The election demonstrated that a slim majority wants a society where they can loot you with impunity through taxes and regulation.

    Deny them your time, effort and resources. “Going Galt” is as easy as rearranging your affairs to minimize your tax exposure, reducing your billable hours of work, refusing overtime or extra projects and reducing your economic contributions (i.e. only buy the minimum needed to survive).

    You can even turn their tropes against them. Setting up a Victory Garden and using rain barrels can be sold as “helping the environment” or “becoming a Locovour”. Cancelling your Cable TV and Legacy Media subscriptions is simply saving money. No one has to know that you are also starving the State and Legacy media of tax and advertizing revenues, and if even just one million Americans were to do this the effects would be very noticeable (Imagine if every Republican and Independent were to do so).

    So take a cold, hard look at the moochers and looters, and turn your back to them. They offer nothing to you, give nothing to them.

    Comment by Thucydides — November 13, 2012 @ 10:15 pm - November 13, 2012

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