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	<title>Comments on: Echoing Treebeard, Ace counsels conservatives not to be hasty</title>
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		<title>By: Thucydides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thucydides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t panic, but look at the situation in a cold blooded and rational manner.

The election demonstrated that a slim majority wants a society where they can loot you with impunity through taxes and regulation.

Deny them your time, effort and resources. &quot;Going Galt&quot; is as easy as rearranging your affairs to minimize your tax exposure, reducing your billable hours of work, refusing overtime or extra projects and reducing your economic contributions (i.e. only buy the minimum needed to survive).

You can even turn their tropes against them. Setting up a Victory Garden and using rain barrels can be sold as &quot;helping the environment&quot; or &quot;becoming a Locovour&quot;. Cancelling your Cable TV and Legacy Media subscriptions is simply saving money. No one has to know that you are also starving the State and Legacy media of tax and advertizing revenues, and if even just one million Americans were to do this the effects would be very noticeable (Imagine if every Republican and Independent were to do so).

So take a cold, hard look at the moochers and looters, and turn your back to them. They offer nothing to you, give nothing to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t panic, but look at the situation in a cold blooded and rational manner.</p>
<p>The election demonstrated that a slim majority wants a society where they can loot you with impunity through taxes and regulation.</p>
<p>Deny them your time, effort and resources. &#8220;Going Galt&#8221; is as easy as rearranging your affairs to minimize your tax exposure, reducing your billable hours of work, refusing overtime or extra projects and reducing your economic contributions (i.e. only buy the minimum needed to survive).</p>
<p>You can even turn their tropes against them. Setting up a Victory Garden and using rain barrels can be sold as &#8220;helping the environment&#8221; or &#8220;becoming a Locovour&#8221;. Cancelling your Cable TV and Legacy Media subscriptions is simply saving money. No one has to know that you are also starving the State and Legacy media of tax and advertizing revenues, and if even just one million Americans were to do this the effects would be very noticeable (Imagine if every Republican and Independent were to do so).</p>
<p>So take a cold, hard look at the moochers and looters, and turn your back to them. They offer nothing to you, give nothing to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Zendo Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zendo Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Republican Party doesn&#039;t really want new ideas. They don&#039;t even want to look at the reality of America today.

77% of the public thinks abortion should be legal in every case or at least in some cases, while 20% think it should never be legal. Yet in state-after state, legislatures pass laws with stupid restrictions. Ultrasound, whatever. They nominate the idiot in Indiana who basically said he thought it was God&#039;s will that certain women got raped. That may not be what he meant to say, but he was stupid enough to actually say it. (numbers from latest Gallop poll)

And whatever he actually meant, it was pretty clear that his views fell outside the views of at least a big chunk of that 77%. 

As long as those are the folks nominated by the party. As long as pundits keep going on about how horrible it is that DADT was ended, or that gay marriage is gaining ground, and all the other nonsense, the GOP is going to get left farther and farther behind. They may be embarrassed by Phred Phelps, but they don&#039;t disagree with everything he does.

And be fair, George W. Bush didn&#039;t believe in smaller government. He added entitlements and grew government all over the place.  The security theater we have to endure since 9/11, the DHS, No Child Left Behind (usually called No Dollar Left Behind by teachers)

So what is the message of the GOP?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican Party doesn&#8217;t really want new ideas. They don&#8217;t even want to look at the reality of America today.</p>
<p>77% of the public thinks abortion should be legal in every case or at least in some cases, while 20% think it should never be legal. Yet in state-after state, legislatures pass laws with stupid restrictions. Ultrasound, whatever. They nominate the idiot in Indiana who basically said he thought it was God&#8217;s will that certain women got raped. That may not be what he meant to say, but he was stupid enough to actually say it. (numbers from latest Gallop poll)</p>
<p>And whatever he actually meant, it was pretty clear that his views fell outside the views of at least a big chunk of that 77%. </p>
<p>As long as those are the folks nominated by the party. As long as pundits keep going on about how horrible it is that DADT was ended, or that gay marriage is gaining ground, and all the other nonsense, the GOP is going to get left farther and farther behind. They may be embarrassed by Phred Phelps, but they don&#8217;t disagree with everything he does.</p>
<p>And be fair, George W. Bush didn&#8217;t believe in smaller government. He added entitlements and grew government all over the place.  The security theater we have to endure since 9/11, the DHS, No Child Left Behind (usually called No Dollar Left Behind by teachers)</p>
<p>So what is the message of the GOP?</p>
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		<title>By: An Unexpected Journey &#124; Remodern America : The Art Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Unexpected Journey &#124; Remodern America : The Art Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] To continue the Tolkein motif, Gaypatriot expands on Ace&#8217;s Treebeardian wisdom on the recent election: Don&#8217;t be hasty. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To continue the Tolkein motif, Gaypatriot expands on Ace&#8217;s Treebeardian wisdom on the recent election: Don&#8217;t be hasty. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MassJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>MassJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t panic. Don&#039;t abandon your ideals. Remember in 2016 the Democrats most likely won&#039;t have an idol to run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t panic. Don&#8217;t abandon your ideals. Remember in 2016 the Democrats most likely won&#8217;t have an idol to run.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[33.  Yeah, that&#039;s a better fit than If. However, I think one really needs to go to Chesterton&#039;s The Last Hero  or Kipling&#039;s Macdonough&#039;s Song. In part....

&quot;Whether The People be led by The Lord,
    Or lured by the loudest throat:
If it be quicker to die by the sword
  Or cheaper to die by vote--
These are things we have dealt with once,
  (And they will not rise from their grave)
For Holy People, however it runs,
  Endeth in wholly Slave.

Whatsoever, for any cause,
    Seeketh to take or give
Power above or beyond the Laws,
    Suffer it not to live!&quot;

We are either a people under the Constitution or we are slaves. If we go down that latter path, let us not go gracefully or quietly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33.  Yeah, that&#8217;s a better fit than If. However, I think one really needs to go to Chesterton&#8217;s The Last Hero  or Kipling&#8217;s Macdonough&#8217;s Song. In part&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whether The People be led by The Lord,<br />
    Or lured by the loudest throat:<br />
If it be quicker to die by the sword<br />
  Or cheaper to die by vote&#8211;<br />
These are things we have dealt with once,<br />
  (And they will not rise from their grave)<br />
For Holy People, however it runs,<br />
  Endeth in wholly Slave.</p>
<p>Whatsoever, for any cause,<br />
    Seeketh to take or give<br />
Power above or beyond the Laws,<br />
    Suffer it not to live!&#8221;</p>
<p>We are either a people under the Constitution or we are slaves. If we go down that latter path, let us not go gracefully or quietly.</p>
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		<title>By: The Crack Emcee</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Crack Emcee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it too much to accept, that Romney is weird and not a conservative, which made his supporters the same? That when the base said, &quot;Anyone But Romney,&quot; we meant even Obama - and stayed home? That you blew this one, from the get-go, and did so in such epic fashion actual conservatives are, reluctantly, getting a laugh out of it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it too much to accept, that Romney is weird and not a conservative, which made his supporters the same? That when the base said, &#8220;Anyone But Romney,&#8221; we meant even Obama &#8211; and stayed home? That you blew this one, from the get-go, and did so in such epic fashion actual conservatives are, reluctantly, getting a laugh out of it?</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the useful Kipling is this:&lt;blockquote&gt;Now this is the Law of the Jungle -- as old and as true as the sky;
And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back --
For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The liars and cheats and scoundrels have taken the day. That is the pack we face. Either we engage them or we patiently encourage them to do the inevitable which is to turn them loose on one another and tear themselves apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the useful Kipling is this:<br />
<blockquote>Now this is the Law of the Jungle &#8212; as old and as true as the sky;<br />
And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.<br />
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back &#8211;<br />
For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.</p></blockquote>
<p>The liars and cheats and scoundrels have taken the day. That is the pack we face. Either we engage them or we patiently encourage them to do the inevitable which is to turn them loose on one another and tear themselves apart.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, dear, Ignatius has found something &quot;deep&quot; in Kipling&#039;s &lt;i&gt;If&lt;/i&gt;, but judging by the bold facing job, Ignatius does not have a clue what the poem is actually saying.

So, here is some help:

First stanza
- irrationality (&quot;keep your head...&quot;) 
- doubt in oneself  (&quot;trust yourself) 
- impatience   (&quot;wait and not be tired by waiting&quot;) 
- petty behavior  (&quot;don&#039;t deal in lies&quot;) 
- immoderation    (&quot;don&#039;t look too good...&quot;)

Second stanza 
- being unrealistic  (&quot;not make dreams your master&quot;) 
- postponing (&quot;not make thoughts your aim&quot;) 
- overreacting  (&quot;meet with triumph and disaster&quot;) 
- weakness    (be able to withstand misfortune)

Third stanza
- worry and fear (&quot;risk...and lose and start again&quot;) 
- being self-serving (&quot;never breathe a word&quot; about loss) 
- quitting (&quot;hold on when there is nothing in you)

Fourth stanza 
- pride and arrogance (&quot;keep virtue and common touch&quot;) 
- dependency (&quot;If all men count with you, but none too much&quot;) 
- wasting time   (&quot;If you can fill the unforgiving minute&quot;)

This is poem about moderation and balance and becoming a whole man (person/woman/transexual.) It is not about winning and losing and strategy.

The democrats depend upon lying and create great lies which is petty behavior, but it works for them, so they capitalize in it and build their foundation on lies. (See: Obamacare.)

The democrats are motivated by irrationality such as spendint and taxing and borrowing your way out of debt. Such as &quot;from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.&quot; Giving terrorists as defined by the Geneva code the rights of US citizens and trying them in civil courts as if they are not so far outside the law that not even the Geneva Conventions cover their sorry butts.

There is certainly nothing &quot;unrealistic&quot; about taxing the rich for billions to pay off the deficit that has been over $1.4 Trillion each of Obama&#039;s four years and will continue at this rate for the foreseeable future. And it is certainly &quot;reasonable&quot; to take the Social Security revenues and spend them all over the place while replacing them with I.O.U.&#039;s.

And so forth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear, Ignatius has found something &#8220;deep&#8221; in Kipling&#8217;s <i>If</i>, but judging by the bold facing job, Ignatius does not have a clue what the poem is actually saying.</p>
<p>So, here is some help:</p>
<p>First stanza<br />
- irrationality (&#8220;keep your head&#8230;&#8221;)<br />
- doubt in oneself  (&#8220;trust yourself)<br />
- impatience   (&#8220;wait and not be tired by waiting&#8221;)<br />
- petty behavior  (&#8220;don&#8217;t deal in lies&#8221;)<br />
- immoderation    (&#8220;don&#8217;t look too good&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
<p>Second stanza<br />
- being unrealistic  (&#8220;not make dreams your master&#8221;)<br />
- postponing (&#8220;not make thoughts your aim&#8221;)<br />
- overreacting  (&#8220;meet with triumph and disaster&#8221;)<br />
- weakness    (be able to withstand misfortune)</p>
<p>Third stanza<br />
- worry and fear (&#8220;risk&#8230;and lose and start again&#8221;)<br />
- being self-serving (&#8220;never breathe a word&#8221; about loss)<br />
- quitting (&#8220;hold on when there is nothing in you)</p>
<p>Fourth stanza<br />
- pride and arrogance (&#8220;keep virtue and common touch&#8221;)<br />
- dependency (&#8220;If all men count with you, but none too much&#8221;)<br />
- wasting time   (&#8220;If you can fill the unforgiving minute&#8221;)</p>
<p>This is poem about moderation and balance and becoming a whole man (person/woman/transexual.) It is not about winning and losing and strategy.</p>
<p>The democrats depend upon lying and create great lies which is petty behavior, but it works for them, so they capitalize in it and build their foundation on lies. (See: Obamacare.)</p>
<p>The democrats are motivated by irrationality such as spendint and taxing and borrowing your way out of debt. Such as &#8220;from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.&#8221; Giving terrorists as defined by the Geneva code the rights of US citizens and trying them in civil courts as if they are not so far outside the law that not even the Geneva Conventions cover their sorry butts.</p>
<p>There is certainly nothing &#8220;unrealistic&#8221; about taxing the rich for billions to pay off the deficit that has been over $1.4 Trillion each of Obama&#8217;s four years and will continue at this rate for the foreseeable future. And it is certainly &#8220;reasonable&#8221; to take the Social Security revenues and spend them all over the place while replacing them with I.O.U.&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And so forth.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m personally angry. One can argue voter fraud caused this. Or Romney played too clean. Whatever.  I think it&#039;s time to stop being civilized. We need to give the Democrats back exactly what they give us. So if you have an Obama sign, you just lost my business. If you are an outspoken Democrat, a donor, or one of their trolls, I publicly shun you.  You&#039;re not longer fit for civil treatment.  As much as I can without breaking the law, I act to harm you. I go Galt as much as I can. Screw civility. Bullies and cheats deserve neither.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m personally angry. One can argue voter fraud caused this. Or Romney played too clean. Whatever.  I think it&#8217;s time to stop being civilized. We need to give the Democrats back exactly what they give us. So if you have an Obama sign, you just lost my business. If you are an outspoken Democrat, a donor, or one of their trolls, I publicly shun you.  You&#8217;re not longer fit for civil treatment.  As much as I can without breaking the law, I act to harm you. I go Galt as much as I can. Screw civility. Bullies and cheats deserve neither.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don&#039;t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don&#039;t give way to hating,
And yet don&#039;t look too good, nor talk too wise:

&lt;b&gt;If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;&lt;/b&gt;
If you can bear to hear the truth you&#039;ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build &#039;em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: &#039;Hold on!&#039;

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
&#039; Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds&#039; worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that&#039;s in it,
And - which is more - you&#039;ll be a Man, my son.

-- R. Kipling]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF you can keep your head when all about you<br />
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,<br />
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,<br />
But make allowance for their doubting too;<br />
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,<br />
Or being lied about, don&#8217;t deal in lies,<br />
Or being hated, don&#8217;t give way to hating,<br />
And yet don&#8217;t look too good, nor talk too wise:</p>
<p><b>If you can dream &#8211; and not make dreams your master;<br />
If you can think &#8211; and not make thoughts your aim;<br />
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster<br />
And treat those two impostors just the same;</b><br />
If you can bear to hear the truth you&#8217;ve spoken<br />
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,<br />
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,<br />
And stoop and build &#8216;em up with worn-out tools:</p>
<p>If you can make one heap of all your winnings<br />
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,<br />
And lose, and start again at your beginnings<br />
And never breathe a word about your loss;<br />
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew<br />
To serve your turn long after they are gone,<br />
And so hold on when there is nothing in you<br />
Except the Will which says to them: &#8216;Hold on!&#8217;</p>
<p>If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,<br />
&#8216; Or walk with Kings &#8211; nor lose the common touch,<br />
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,<br />
If all men count with you, but none too much;<br />
If you can fill the unforgiving minute<br />
With sixty seconds&#8217; worth of distance run,<br />
Yours is the Earth and everything that&#8217;s in it,<br />
And &#8211; which is more &#8211; you&#8217;ll be a Man, my son.</p>
<p>&#8211; R. Kipling</p>
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		<title>By: Spamf Roming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spamf Roming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t care any more. Idiots who want big daddy government to take care of their every need are pushing the bus off the cliff, and their selfish shortsightedness will bankrupt the nation, and bring the rest of the world spiralling down the whirlpool along with it.

Girls are not taught math by the state because if they could get around the very concept of 16 Trillion, they would not be voting for Dems so devotedly. What a great bunch of feminists, swooning like southern belles over a guy who is less manly than Shirley Temple, and openly voting for him because he is &quot;dreamy.&quot; What are you girls SMOKING?! YOU ARE DOOMING YOUR CHILDREN to a life of indentured servitude!

And blacks and gays and jews and latinos: what has this incompetent narcissist done for you? He gives lip service to whatever he thinks you want to hear. But he never does shit for you. You are all much worse off now than under Bush.

You student loan slaves who think Obama is going to bail you out now? You are not his crony! You are not Solyndra. You are disposable, now that you&#039;ve stupidly voted for somebody who will now ENSURE that you go down in flames. At least getting rid of this Administration would have given us the chance of getting the economy to regenerate. That alone would have helped everybody out of the current DEPRESSION.

And the rest of the world cheering on the election of this &quot;historic&quot; borderline? You had a friend in the U.S. who kept the Soviets at bay, who stood by Israel, and who backed up any place in the world that wanted to be a democratic haven from tyranny. Now that&#039;s gone, and the wolves are at the door, in every corner of the world. Congratulations on your Nobel Prize winner!

So the heck with everybody. It can&#039;t be combatted; it just has to be allowed to happen. It&#039;s a runaway freight train. Just like in the 30s. People championed fascism thinking they could get their selfish, petty, personal needs fulfilled by every lying brownshirt who promised that &quot;those other people&quot; would pay for it all.

You are ALL &quot;those other people.&quot; And by the time this is all over, many millions of you will be dead. That&#039;s the inevitable result of a corrupt and selfish people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t care any more. Idiots who want big daddy government to take care of their every need are pushing the bus off the cliff, and their selfish shortsightedness will bankrupt the nation, and bring the rest of the world spiralling down the whirlpool along with it.</p>
<p>Girls are not taught math by the state because if they could get around the very concept of 16 Trillion, they would not be voting for Dems so devotedly. What a great bunch of feminists, swooning like southern belles over a guy who is less manly than Shirley Temple, and openly voting for him because he is &#8220;dreamy.&#8221; What are you girls SMOKING?! YOU ARE DOOMING YOUR CHILDREN to a life of indentured servitude!</p>
<p>And blacks and gays and jews and latinos: what has this incompetent narcissist done for you? He gives lip service to whatever he thinks you want to hear. But he never does shit for you. You are all much worse off now than under Bush.</p>
<p>You student loan slaves who think Obama is going to bail you out now? You are not his crony! You are not Solyndra. You are disposable, now that you&#8217;ve stupidly voted for somebody who will now ENSURE that you go down in flames. At least getting rid of this Administration would have given us the chance of getting the economy to regenerate. That alone would have helped everybody out of the current DEPRESSION.</p>
<p>And the rest of the world cheering on the election of this &#8220;historic&#8221; borderline? You had a friend in the U.S. who kept the Soviets at bay, who stood by Israel, and who backed up any place in the world that wanted to be a democratic haven from tyranny. Now that&#8217;s gone, and the wolves are at the door, in every corner of the world. Congratulations on your Nobel Prize winner!</p>
<p>So the heck with everybody. It can&#8217;t be combatted; it just has to be allowed to happen. It&#8217;s a runaway freight train. Just like in the 30s. People championed fascism thinking they could get their selfish, petty, personal needs fulfilled by every lying brownshirt who promised that &#8220;those other people&#8221; would pay for it all.</p>
<p>You are ALL &#8220;those other people.&#8221; And by the time this is all over, many millions of you will be dead. That&#8217;s the inevitable result of a corrupt and selfish people.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Dalasio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Dalasio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . embarrassing is that conservatives are acting the way liberals did in 2004. We are better than that and should act that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let me play devil&#039;s advocate for a second here.  Whether or not an actual strategy, in a very real sense BDS worked.  The relentless cascade of negativity and assignation of blame for everything down to stubbed toes eventually creeped far enough into the public consciousness that, even by cultural osmosis, it poisoned the public toward the Republican brand and probably helped to hand the the Democrats Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008 (and probably 2012).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. . . embarrassing is that conservatives are acting the way liberals did in 2004. We are better than that and should act that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me play devil&#8217;s advocate for a second here.  Whether or not an actual strategy, in a very real sense BDS worked.  The relentless cascade of negativity and assignation of blame for everything down to stubbed toes eventually creeped far enough into the public consciousness that, even by cultural osmosis, it poisoned the public toward the Republican brand and probably helped to hand the the Democrats Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008 (and probably 2012).</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one seems to be saying that fielding a red-meat conservative would have saved the day. No one seems to be saying that Romney blew it by being to nice. No one seems to be saying that any particular other guy could have pulled us through.

That means that no one quite knows what the voters want and how to deliver it to them. After all, the voters &quot;decide&quot; who wins.

Just maybe, the voters have been set up by public schools and colleges and Hollywood and the media and popular culture to see Uncle Sugar as the first resort in times of trouble. &quot;Hey Dude, don&#039;t make it bad .... Take a sad thing and make it better .... Remember to let Uncle Sugar into your heart ..... Then you can start to make it better ..... And anytime you feel the pain, hey Dude, refrain ..... Don&#039;t carry the world upon your shoulders .... For well you know that its a fool who plays it cool ..... By making the world a little colder ..... blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah blah

It is demographics and pandering time if we are going to regain the national government. 

But the true action is in the states. It is no fluke that the House of Representatives is Republican again. The flyover yokels don&#039;t trust the liberals and the liberals all but hate the neanderthals in the areas outside of the cities.

It is fascinating how many libs have shown up to tell us who we are and what we did wrong and what we should do now.

But, those same libs really don&#039;t want to take the reins and put their beliefs into practice and fundamentally Europeanize and Californicate America.

Why is that? Could it be that they need someone to hate and blame more than they believe their talking points? After all, they are here in numbers to gloat, with is just a form of hate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one seems to be saying that fielding a red-meat conservative would have saved the day. No one seems to be saying that Romney blew it by being to nice. No one seems to be saying that any particular other guy could have pulled us through.</p>
<p>That means that no one quite knows what the voters want and how to deliver it to them. After all, the voters &#8220;decide&#8221; who wins.</p>
<p>Just maybe, the voters have been set up by public schools and colleges and Hollywood and the media and popular culture to see Uncle Sugar as the first resort in times of trouble. &#8220;Hey Dude, don&#8217;t make it bad &#8230;. Take a sad thing and make it better &#8230;. Remember to let Uncle Sugar into your heart &#8230;.. Then you can start to make it better &#8230;.. And anytime you feel the pain, hey Dude, refrain &#8230;.. Don&#8217;t carry the world upon your shoulders &#8230;. For well you know that its a fool who plays it cool &#8230;.. By making the world a little colder &#8230;.. blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah blah</p>
<p>It is demographics and pandering time if we are going to regain the national government. </p>
<p>But the true action is in the states. It is no fluke that the House of Representatives is Republican again. The flyover yokels don&#8217;t trust the liberals and the liberals all but hate the neanderthals in the areas outside of the cities.</p>
<p>It is fascinating how many libs have shown up to tell us who we are and what we did wrong and what we should do now.</p>
<p>But, those same libs really don&#8217;t want to take the reins and put their beliefs into practice and fundamentally Europeanize and Californicate America.</p>
<p>Why is that? Could it be that they need someone to hate and blame more than they believe their talking points? After all, they are here in numbers to gloat, with is just a form of hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Angry people are not often wise.&quot;

-Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Angry people are not often wise.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice</p>
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		<title>By: George B</title>
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		<dc:creator>George B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not all Republicans lost in 2012.  A strong critic of government spending and earmarks, Jeff Flake, won a Senate seat in Arizona.  Conservative Ted Cruz beat the next in line Republican and won a Senate seat in Texas.  Republicans held the House and state government.  The other side showed that they can register a bunch of blacks and use union members to haul them to the polls.  We can use our state government strength to limit early voting and shift poll hours toward the morning.  We lost lots of low information voters to negative ads and biased media.  We can overcome this by starting the ground game and local cable TV ads earlier.  Time to learn from our failure and prepare to ride a wave in 2014.  The reason I&#039;m not completely depressed is lots of small business can get away with ignoring the stupid regulations passed by the Obama administration.  Split businesses into &lt;50 employee chunks and Obamacare doesn&#039;t apply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all Republicans lost in 2012.  A strong critic of government spending and earmarks, Jeff Flake, won a Senate seat in Arizona.  Conservative Ted Cruz beat the next in line Republican and won a Senate seat in Texas.  Republicans held the House and state government.  The other side showed that they can register a bunch of blacks and use union members to haul them to the polls.  We can use our state government strength to limit early voting and shift poll hours toward the morning.  We lost lots of low information voters to negative ads and biased media.  We can overcome this by starting the ground game and local cable TV ads earlier.  Time to learn from our failure and prepare to ride a wave in 2014.  The reason I&#8217;m not completely depressed is lots of small business can get away with ignoring the stupid regulations passed by the Obama administration.  Split businesses into &lt;50 employee chunks and Obamacare doesn&#039;t apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Until the blatant bias of the press is neutralized in some fashion, conservatives will still be fighting with one arm tied behind our backs. Lindsey Graham is already trying to curry favor and he won&#039;t be the last. These people need to be stopped and not be allowed to speak for conservatives. Stopping the Democrat media from setting the narrative is just as important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until the blatant bias of the press is neutralized in some fashion, conservatives will still be fighting with one arm tied behind our backs. Lindsey Graham is already trying to curry favor and he won&#8217;t be the last. These people need to be stopped and not be allowed to speak for conservatives. Stopping the Democrat media from setting the narrative is just as important.</p>
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		<title>By: Splainin2Do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Splainin2Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#17.  Fraud?  Check out Cleveland, OH and Philly results.  I agree with not over-reacting catastrophes, but look at what happened to create Homeland Security and TSA.  Democrats INSISTED on larger and more powerful bureaucracies and then unionized them.  Obama will continue and expand this policy, for example, the &quot;fiscal cliff.&quot;  He creates a problem and then a bureaucracy to &quot;manage&quot; it.  All the while individual freedoms are whittled away at greater and greater speed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17.  Fraud?  Check out Cleveland, OH and Philly results.  I agree with not over-reacting catastrophes, but look at what happened to create Homeland Security and TSA.  Democrats INSISTED on larger and more powerful bureaucracies and then unionized them.  Obama will continue and expand this policy, for example, the &#8220;fiscal cliff.&#8221;  He creates a problem and then a bureaucracy to &#8220;manage&#8221; it.  All the while individual freedoms are whittled away at greater and greater speed.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And how do we know it&#039;s not people clinging to the delusional &quot;the Republican Party is just fine, on to 2016!&quot; slogan who are reacting emotionally?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how do we know it&#8217;s not people clinging to the delusional &#8220;the Republican Party is just fine, on to 2016!&#8221; slogan who are reacting emotionally?</p>
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		<title>By: egoist</title>
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		<dc:creator>egoist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haste is what got us into this mess; not merely the party, but more importantly a multitude that finds the range-of-the-moment comfort of welfare alms (altruism) superior to a lifetime of self-directed / independent / productive purpose (egoism).

I think, the course of the country will be altered when the money has run out that supports the existing course. There are simply too many on the mooch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haste is what got us into this mess; not merely the party, but more importantly a multitude that finds the range-of-the-moment comfort of welfare alms (altruism) superior to a lifetime of self-directed / independent / productive purpose (egoism).</p>
<p>I think, the course of the country will be altered when the money has run out that supports the existing course. There are simply too many on the mooch.</p>
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		<title>By: Big_Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big_Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our principals may be right but perhaps their application has been wrong.  Perhaps the assessment of the environment was faulty, especially since perspectives can be molded by perceptions.  Simply because an election went the wrong way doesn&#039;t mean that UP has become DOWN.  Sober thought would seem to be in order, and a reexamination of the decisions that brought things to this state.
Personally I like ideas in which the electorate is educated on principals we believe we understand and they don&#039;t seem to be &quot;getting&quot;.  Many in this country have come from different upbringings than that of the former &quot;mainstream&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our principals may be right but perhaps their application has been wrong.  Perhaps the assessment of the environment was faulty, especially since perspectives can be molded by perceptions.  Simply because an election went the wrong way doesn&#8217;t mean that UP has become DOWN.  Sober thought would seem to be in order, and a reexamination of the decisions that brought things to this state.<br />
Personally I like ideas in which the electorate is educated on principals we believe we understand and they don&#8217;t seem to be &#8220;getting&#8221;.  Many in this country have come from different upbringings than that of the former &#8220;mainstream&#8221;.</p>
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