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“Why is it that mass murderers are almost always young men?”

Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 4:42 am - December 19, 2012.
Filed under: Sex Difference

In the conversations and articles I have seen in the wake of the horror in Connecticut, I am pleased that at least some people are breaking from the narrative the media are trying to create about the need to control guns and considering other issues behind last week’s shooting.

Blogging law professor  ask if the cultural War on Young Men contribute to mass murders.  He  excerpts 22 Stats That Prove That There Is Something Seriously Wrong With Young Men In America:

When are we finally going to admit that we have a very serious problem with this generation of young men in America? We have failed them so dramatically that it is hard to put it into words.

We have raised an entire generation of young males that don’t know how to be men, and many of them feel completely lost. Sometimes they feel so lost that they “snap” in very destructive ways. Adam Lanza and James Holmes are two names that come to mind.

Why is it that mass murderers are almost always young men?

(Jacobson via Instapundit.)  Yes, that is the real question.  One which should be asking.  Not just about mental illness, but about young, mentally unstable young men who commit mass murders and other atrocities.

Bear in mind as well that in many (but not all) hero myths, the young hero is frequently violent and often proud.  In short, some of the questions we’re asking aren’t new ones, just ones that we human beings need to keep considering.



  1. Feminism.

    The flip side to empowerment of women in all spheres of life is the complete loss of the need for men to be men.

    When “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle,” why wouldn’t we be playing video games? All the maidens in Azeroth are much more appreciative of the saving…

    Comment by Tim in MT — December 19, 2012 @ 8:09 am - December 19, 2012

  2. Very interesting points. I wrote a little bit on the root cause of these violent outbursts being rooted in the breakdown of the family and traditional values. Speaking from a hetero point of view, American society and the so-called feminist movement have systematically emasculated men over the past 30 years or so, and with the breakdown of the family, many boys will grow up without a male role model in the home – and even if there were a man there, he probably wouldn’t know how to act like a man. Heck, I’m not even sure I know what it means to be a man any more.

    Comment by Conservatarian TX — December 19, 2012 @ 8:10 am - December 19, 2012

  3. Feminism isn’t to blame – men are to blame. Men don’t raise men to be men – it’s as simple as that. When a man declines to participate in the the raising of his children and teach them to be decent human beings then we are going to have this problem. I don’t care if he is separated from the mother – he still has an obligation to his children.

    I see it in my oldest daughters boyfriends – boy is the operative term. Nineteen and still jobless and living with his parents? Eighteen and giggles like a fourteen year old girl during the ‘meet the parents’ dinner?

    Makes me want to sit down with their dads and have a little chat.

    Comment by Dan Irving — December 19, 2012 @ 9:12 am - December 19, 2012

  4. Dan,

    It’s a mix of both. When single motherhood is cherished, women are taught that men are redundant. When men can run away, they aren’t fathers. When men are whipped, they aren’t men.

    In the D/s community, there’s a subsection that emphasizes Victorian manners and ettiquette. It’s hard to be a man, when being a man is sneered at by everyone. Getting dirty looks when you open a door, getting mocked for asking if the lady needs help, being told you’re a ‘sexist pig’ for letting the woman go first… all these make it hard to instill simple male virtues.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 19, 2012 @ 9:49 am - December 19, 2012

  5. I blame the culture that accepts single motherhood as the norm.

    It isn’t really feminism, but I do think our culture has decided that men are unnecessary when it comes to raising children. We have allowed men to abdicate their role as fathers and even worse culturally we have turned them into idiots. One needs to only watch a bit of TV to see that we have moved away from the nurturing, advice giving father who knows a lot, to the bumbling idiot father who is mostly there to give laughs while the mom rushes in to save the father from himself and the children from the incompetence of their father.

    I also think there is a large amount of pressure to turn boys into girls-our culture in general looks at the things boys do and sees fault in them. Boys love to pretend huge adventures that often involve sword fights, gun fights and other “violent” acts. At school boys are often expected to sit still for hours before they are developmentally ready. Our school curriculum is desiged to interest girls, and the vast majority of staff in schools are women-so boys have very few male role models in their schools.

    Then I think you can’t ignore the role actual mental illness plays. In general our society stigmatizes mental illness.

    Comment by Just Me — December 19, 2012 @ 9:54 am - December 19, 2012

  6. And sorry to double post, but on the issue of mental illness I wanted to add-at this point we don’t know for sure what/if this shooter had a mental illness-it is still to some degree speculation with no official confirmation.

    Some mental illness totally removes a person’s capacity to know what they are doing is wrong (Schizophrenia being one of them). There are also others that don’t remove this capacity to a significant degree-eg Asperger’s Syndrome.

    One thing I notice is that anymore a diagnosis of some sort turns into an excuse to not follow the rules. I have a son with Asperger’s Syndrome and a son with ADD-and neither is handed their diagnosis as an excuse to misbehave or fail to follow the rules they know.

    My mantra is that these diagnosis mean they have to work harder to follow the rules, rather than an excuse to break them.

    I think our culture often encourages the diagnosis as excuse syndrome-and I have heard it come from kids and their parents (I have spent the last 8 years working in education in one capacity or another).

    I also want to point out that Asperger’s alone is unlikely to be a reason for these killings. Asperger’s doesn’t remove the capacity to know right from wrong-and I can’t say that my son has ever made me scared for my life or that of my other children.

    Comment by Just Me — December 19, 2012 @ 10:17 am - December 19, 2012

  7. This is a fascinating question. Is a culture that has ceased to offer its young men (and to demand of them) a civilized, responsible, grownup type of path more likely to have a young man ‘snap’ and go on a murder rampage?

    The question should not be construed to deny any murderer’s responsibility. The question’s answer may well be “no”. If the answer happens to be “yes”, perhaps it would speak to differences between men and women – or perhaps not; because I don’t think there has ever been a culture (not a surviving one, anyway) where young girls did not have *some* sort of honored and responsible path, if only to rear children.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 10:27 am - December 19, 2012

  8. I think part of it is the culture of medication. I joke “I don’t suffer from ADD, I enjoy every moment.” It’s true. I can split my focus quite well, and it’s a useful talent.

    I also predate people diagnosing it. My sister was diagnosed with ADD, and more than once attempted to use it as a crutch. “I’m not doing well in school because I have ADD.” My parents didn’t accept it, or medication. She adapted and thrived. (Her issues aren’t ADD related).

    Some kids may need medication, but too many ‘boys being boys’ are put on drugs to quiet them down. As a result, that will come to a head. Some can cope. Others can’t.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 19, 2012 @ 10:40 am - December 19, 2012

  9. Age old biological truth: one man can populate a whole city if he can impregnate enough different women. Each woman is sitting on two eggs at a time and over time can pop out “only” a few dozen children with a whole lot of “down” time for pregnancy, mothering and nurturing.

    So, men are programmed to be semi-wanton, reckless and aggressive. Women are programmed to guard their eggs and to tame men.

    Sorry, if the Darwin crowd is scientifically psychobabble-confused on all of this, but beyond the origin of the species, the preservation of the species is a fairly well understood mechanism right down to the stupid male spider who just has to hit on the black widow.

    The Greeks tried to explain this difference through Lysistrata, Rhea and Zeus, Medusa, Medea and then Pandora.

    Hesiod in c. 7th century B.C. described the nameless first woman (presumed to be Pandora) as “sheer guile, not to be withstood by men.” In courser terms, men would go crazy with the hots for her. And then:

    “From her is the race of women and female kind;
    of her is the deadly race and tribe of women who
    live amongst mortal men to their great trouble,
    no helpmates in hateful poverty, but only in wealth.”

    Good old Nietzsche came along in his On the History of Moral Feelings and wrote this about Pandora: “Hope. Pandora brought the jar with the evils and opened it. It was the gods’ gift to man, on the outside a beautiful, enticing gift, called the ‘lucky jar.’ Then all the evils, those lively, winged beings, flew out of it. Since that time, they roam around and do harm to men by day and night. One single evil had not yet slipped out of the jar. As Zeus had wished, Pandora slammed the top down and it remained inside. So now man has the lucky jar in his house forever and thinks the world of the treasure. It is at his service; he reaches for it when he fancies it. For he does not know that the jar which Pandora brought was the jar of evils, and he takes the remaining evil for the greatest worldly good—it is hope, for Zeus did not want man to throw his life away, no matter how much the other evils might torment him, but rather to go on letting himself be tormented anew. To that end, he gives man hope. In truth, it is the most evil of evils because it prolongs man’s torment.”

    Of course, this all begs the question of “Why is it that mass murderers are almost always young men?” But, I give the ancient Greeks props for the whole testosterone and women of sheer guile, not to be withstood by men explanation for a lot of the misery in the world.

    The Sandy Hook murderer certainly had identity problems that would not have plagued your garden variety eunuch. (It must be pointed out, however, that “unionized” eunuchs can be a problem.)

    No, I am not blaming women. Men and women are vastly different and we have troubled ourselves over those differences down through the ages. The mass murderers seem to be young men. As Yogi Berra said: “You can observe a lot by just looking.”

    Comment by heliotrope — December 19, 2012 @ 11:04 am - December 19, 2012

  10. Most of these gunman are also white.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 11:11 am - December 19, 2012

  11. Dan,

    You didn´t finish the question, why is it that mass murderers are almost all young men with mental problems? The shooter at the theater in Aurora, Co, the one at the Arizona Shopping Center that wounded Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, all apparently suffered from a mental disorder. The question then becomes; is it inherited, a birth defect, or environmental? This is what really needs to be discussed. Not gun control. Is there a predisposition to kill or violent behavior, or is it an accumulation from too much exposure to violence via television, movies, and video games? I remember at an Academy Award Ceremony, in the late 50´s, hosted by Bob Hope. it was at a time when theaters were experience a decline in attendance due to t.v. In his opening monologue he said to the effect, we´ll get them back with ¨more blood, guts, and gore.¨ His words seem so prophetic. There has been so much talk about mental health after such incidents and all that is being talked about are the symptoms, but not the cause. It has to be more than poor toilet training.

    Comment by Roberto — December 19, 2012 @ 11:31 am - December 19, 2012

  12. Obviously (H/T Vince), young white men need to be banned. It’s for the children…

    Comment by alanstorm — December 19, 2012 @ 11:53 am - December 19, 2012

  13. Most of these gunman are also white.

    Also a good point. And another “why” that might be interesting to explore although it is tough to ask race related questions in our current society because the answers aren’t always politically correct.

    I think part of it is the culture of medication. I joke “I don’t suffer from ADD, I enjoy every moment.” It’s true. I can split my focus quite well, and it’s a useful talent.

    I don’t know that it is the medication. For one thing medication can make a huge difference for a lot of mental illness.

    I do think there is a B side though to the issue of medication and that is the belief that everything must have a diagnosis. Anymore it seems like anything and everything has to have a diagnosis and a treatment plan and as often as not comes with an excuse for failure to comply with the rules.

    ODD is one I find interesting, only because ODD is generally expressed in kids and teens as not being all that obedient and a refusal to comply. I am positive that my parents wouldn’t have let me get by with refusing to clean my room or follow the rules at school.

    Like I said earlier-I have a kid with Asperger’s Sydrome and a kid with ADD. They don’t get to tell a teacher they have ADD as an excuse for breaking the rules.

    However, I will also say that I think schools need to be a little more open to creative teaching and allowing some time for kids to be kids and move around and release some energy.

    Comment by Just Me — December 19, 2012 @ 12:04 pm - December 19, 2012

  14. ODD confuses me. I’ve a friend who’s son has ODD. Somehow it’s supposed to work that he will be inclined to do the opposite of what you tell him. and will see through attempts at reverse psychology.

    Also when he gets spanked, he behaves alright for about a week, until his parents relax their vigil, then he starts pushing again.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 19, 2012 @ 12:17 pm - December 19, 2012

  15. Alan Strom > No, you’re misinterpreting. The author of this post drew a commonality of the gunman (males). White is another. He only addresses one of the elements and conveniently leaves the other out. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, but worth examining just as much as the fact that they’re male.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 12:17 pm - December 19, 2012

  16. The author of this post drew a commonality of the gunman (males). White is another. He only addresses one of the elements and conveniently leaves the other out. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, but worth examining just as much as the fact that they’re male.

    Look out below!!!!! Dan conveniently leaves race out of the equation??????

    And then: I don’t think it’s a coincidence….

    Well, now, what game is being played here? Eugenics? Nurture vs. Nature? A violence gene?

    How come Rob Cohen, Harvey Weinstein, Kurt Sutter, Quentin Tarantino are mavens of graphic violence and gore and wallow in degeneracy and the obscenities of the drug culture all tied together with a tapestry of violence to sell to a culture that is ready, willing and able to make their efforts extremely profitable.

    How many of the white men are also liberal and Jewish?

    Have you conveniently left those similarities out?

    Is that a coincidence?

    Comment by heliotrope — December 19, 2012 @ 12:54 pm - December 19, 2012

  17. Helio, It would be fun (and educational) to have a conversation with you. Just sayin’.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 1:05 pm - December 19, 2012

  18. Heh 🙂

    But fine, if one must drag race into it, then the analogous young black or hispanic male is more likely to be in a gang… the analogous young Arab male is more likely to be at a terrorist madrassa… the analogous young Asian male is, in China, in a gang or perhaps busy cutting up schoolkids with a knife… etc. In other words: sociopathic young white American males are a bit less likely, on average and for some reason, to go for gang life or religious terrorism. Good on them… I suppose; that is, if we are going to make that stupid a game of it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 1:11 pm - December 19, 2012

  19. Vince you are one dumb a$$!! It is just incredible how you liberals are programmed and can’t or wont step outside the box and think. You all are so programmed by your “Jim Jones” liberal leadership, and can do nothing but drink that liberal biased kool-aid.

    Your mindless addition of “Most of these gunmen are white” is so ill informed. Please see this very simple article and video:

    I know, I know – it is so hard when the truth and facts get in the way of a liberal belief system.

    Next time do a little research before you insert your foot – you pick the orifice.

    Comment by mixitup — December 19, 2012 @ 1:12 pm - December 19, 2012

  20. Mixitup > Correct me if I’m wrong, Dan blogged about the mass shooting phenomenon, not one-by-one serial killers (like in the video you linked to). I thought the subject was mass shootings ala Lanza and Holmes. If not, then, Dan’s whole premise is incorrect, because serial killers (including one-by-one) are often older, and not young (and, as your link depicts, non-White). But, the discussion pool for this post’s concerns, were a group of killers who were generally 1) Male, 2) Young, and 3) White. Or, perhaps I’m mistaken. Which is often the case.

    ILC > You bring up some EXCELLENT points to the context.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 1:22 pm - December 19, 2012

  21. mixitup – Seems like good info. One could quibble over the fact that it mixes in the serial killers with the spree killers (when we are mainly talking here about the spree killers), but it would be only that: a quibble. The number of black spree killers is impressive, and that alone settles this side debate… while possibly raising another one, about why “we” (Americans in general) would hear more in the media about the white spree killers.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 1:35 pm - December 19, 2012

  22. Well, just look at the way we treat these pathetic little freaks, even after their violent mass murder-suicide deaths, and you’ll see what the problem is. They’re never held responsible for a damn thing.

    It’s violent TV and movies. It’s video games. It’s the “gun culture.” But lest we get the notion only the Left indulges in this crap, the social Right proves itself, once again, to be nothing more than the other side of the same gripe-group coin. From them, we hear that it’s the fault of feminists, gays, or name the other Right Wing bogeybear.

    It is the fault of whomever did the actual killing. Period.

    Any sense of genuine individual responsibility is being lost in the midst of all this blame-game drivel. It’s important to remember why, however, we are hearing this — and from both statist teams. It’s because they each want political power, and every tragedy must be used as an excuse to grab more control for the government — under the fantasy that “their side” can hang onto that control without the other getting their hands on it.

    Comment by Lori Heine — December 19, 2012 @ 1:36 pm - December 19, 2012

  23. BTW, John Allen Muhammad was of course black; there is some debate over whether he was more like a serial killer or a spree killer, but he was probably more a spree killer.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 1:39 pm - December 19, 2012

  24. From wikipedia:

    “Serial killers are not the same as mass murderers, nor are they spree killers, who commit murders in two or more locations with virtually no break in between.”

    But, you guys have studied this field more than I, so what do I know.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 1:41 pm - December 19, 2012

  25. And Wikipedia is never wrong. (ILC coughs) But OK: you would be willing at this point to categorize among, say, criminals (like gang killers), terrorists, serial killers, spree killers and mass murderers. And your question would then be, why do the whites seem to have the mass murderers. (ILC can’t help rolling eyes)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 1:52 pm - December 19, 2012

  26. Most of these gunman are also white.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 11:11 am – December 19, 2012

    Not really.

    One could simply look at the FBI’s statistics, as this blog did:

    Klein baldly tells us that America is an unusually violent country, and that the South is its most violent region. But he doesn’t tell you why. He doesn’t tell you that among cases where the race was known, blacks committed 5,486 murders in 2011, while whites committed only 4,729.

    Or, put differently, the majority of murders in this country are committed by Obama voters/supporters – or, put differently, those who share the political, social, and ideological views of the vast majority of “journalists” and media pundits in this country.

    No surprise that Obama and his supporters, especially in the media, cover that fact up and try to blame white people instead.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 19, 2012 @ 1:54 pm - December 19, 2012

  27. No cover up. Different type of murder = different kind of psychology. And the why is important in every type of murder and should be examined comparatively and separately.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 1:57 pm - December 19, 2012

  28. But NDT, remember he said “these gunmen”, referring only to the tiny slice of killers who killed at least NN people within a few minutes at one place, with no apparent religious motive or historical oppression, and who got lots and lots of media coverage and discussion as a result of it, a category which is almost by definition white.

    Should the Fort Hood killer, who was an Arab (what Palestinians used to be called before Arabs found it necessary to manufacture the ‘Palestinian’ identity as a propaganda tool against Teh Jooz), be classified as a mass murderer, a spree killer, a terrorist or something else? The media refused to classify him as a terrorist…

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 2:03 pm - December 19, 2012

  29. I know why: sh!t happens. This is nothing new. In. 1927 38 people were slaughtered in a school dynamite attack. Scores of kids are murdered by gun weilding psycopaths in Chicago every week. Hundreds were killed at the OKC bombing. There is evil in the world and every so often it strikes and then the evil gets pumped into our living rooms and a local violent event affects the world. Then we become tools of the evildoers, millions saddened and afraid screaming for an answer and begging for a human savior.

    Comment by Paul — December 19, 2012 @ 2:05 pm - December 19, 2012

  30. No cover up. Different type of murder = different kind of psychology. And the why is important in every type of murder and should be examined comparatively and separately.

    Comment by Vince Smetana — December 19, 2012 @ 1:57 pm – December 19, 2012

    Except, of course, “when it can all be conveniently blamed on white males.

    Once you realize that “progressives” and Obama supporters like Cinesnatch care only about blaming things on white males, their seemingly-contradictory actions and worldviews become much more understandable.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 19, 2012 @ 2:39 pm - December 19, 2012

  31. “How to distinguish a spree killer from a mass murderer, or even a serial killer is subject to considerable controversy and often there doesn’t seem to be any coherence in the application of the term. For example, The Encyclopedia of Crime and Punishment, lists five different categories of spree killers and cites Mark O. Barton as an example for the second one.[3] He is also noted with other mass murderers such as Patrick Sherrill in the respective entry about mass murder.[4] In “The Anatomy Of Motive” John E. Douglas cites Charles Starkweather and Andrew Cunanan as examples of spree killers,[5] while Jack Levin calls Cunanan a serial killer[6]and Starkweather a mass murderer.[7]”

    Vince, once again you are stuck in a rut. If you had pursued some of the links highlighted in YOUR wikipedia link you would have found the above paragraph. You may be trying to split hairs, but is of no value. There is little , if any difference between serial, spree, mass, rampaging, or any other instance of murdering more than 2 people. Whatever differences there are they are so suttle that it is a worthless argument, as the above quote explains.

    As for Dan, this post and the reader comments that is for you to decide. My experience has been that a post by Dan opens up numerous tangental discussions and conversations. Your attempt to pigeon hole my comment as not germane is bankrupt.

    Bottomline, your bringing up the “white boy” argument is a straw man at best. Black people kill. White people kill. Hispanic people kill. Oriental people kill. Hell, even crazy swedes kill children in a country that has very strict gun laws.

    At the end of the day Vince, “$hit happens.”

    Comment by mixitup — December 19, 2012 @ 2:55 pm - December 19, 2012

  32. That mass murderer at Xerox… Byran Koji Uyesugi. Yup, sounds white to me. Oh wait, maybe we can solve that by counting Asians as honorary whites or something.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 3:39 pm - December 19, 2012

  33. BTW, Ace has a Penn & Teller video highly worth viewing: Gun Control is Bullsh*t!

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2012 @ 3:41 pm - December 19, 2012

  34. The number of black spree killers is impressive, and that alone settles this side debate… while possibly raising another one, about why “we” (Americans in general) would hear more in the media about the white spree killers.

    May have something to do with who the victims are (along the lines of missing pretty white girls get lots of media attention over other missing people) and probably to some degree the media will focus on gun control when white guys are the perpetrators but will discuss other issues when it is a minority (poverty, bullying, mental illness etc).

    Race is touchy and one huge problem with race discussions is that as often as not you can’t be honest if evidence indicates a non politically correct answer.

    The Fort Hood shootings IMO are more terrorism than loose cannon, mass shootings, although the government is treating it as a mass killing IMO because they don’t want to call it terrorism.

    Comment by Just Me — December 19, 2012 @ 4:21 pm - December 19, 2012

  35. I don’t think singe motherhood is cherished. I think it is desired (at least by me) because women like myself has realized that this is the best method for self preservation and keeping the children safe and happy. Men in general are violent and it is very risky to have a men in your home with your children. Men rape, steal, hit, shoot, curse, seeking anyway to gain for themselves at the expense of others. My efforts for my family our selfless and I need someone who has the same goals and men are just too selfish to be selfless. Maybe not all of them but much to many of them are. Because of this I choose to stay single because it is took risky…a risk not worth the consequences. A women who can hold her own should never make a man feel like he is not a man. His is a man when he can hold his own too. Unfortuntly it’s the men emasculating themselves.

    Comment by Toni — December 19, 2012 @ 9:55 pm - December 19, 2012

  36. Young men need to be taught that they are a man when they know how to be a decent human being, notices the difference of others, and respond appropriately.

    Comment by Toni — December 19, 2012 @ 9:58 pm - December 19, 2012

  37. Don’t worry, Toni.

    Espouse your beliefs as you have stated, and I assure you, no man will bother you for more than the length of an orgasm.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 19, 2012 @ 11:05 pm - December 19, 2012

  38. Toni how can young men learn that when you are teaching them that they are nothing more than sperm donors? You deprive them of their fathers, you demand nothing from them but what they can do between your legs, all while expecting society to pay for any kids that result from such a meaningless, cheap, free, screw.
    What a foul thing to do to your children, depriving them of a father.

    Comment by Annie — December 20, 2012 @ 12:18 am - December 20, 2012

  39. And what a foul ‘Lord of the Flies’ thing to unleash on society. Seventy-five percent of incarcerated males did not have a father figure in their lives.
    I blame that on government welfare policies and single mothers. A lot of men are dogs because they can, women let them.

    Comment by Annie — December 20, 2012 @ 12:35 am - December 20, 2012

  40. Toni I think it is sad that you think all men are dangerous.

    I have a great man who has never raped anyone, never hit me, and almost never swears. He loves his children and is a great father.

    I do think women need to be choosy, but having babies and teaching them that men are worthless outside of the sperm they donated is a tragedy and doesn’t help matters at all.

    Comment by Just Me — December 20, 2012 @ 8:07 am - December 20, 2012

  41. Toni,

    Horse feathers.

    Please don’t poison the minds of the innocents you have dropped on society. Run, don’t walk, to the nearest community organizer, village raising children organization, planned parenthood, feminists group and other Progressive outreach entities for constant and careful statist support.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 20, 2012 @ 9:11 am - December 20, 2012

  42. In the catagory of ‘great timing’ Morgan Howard (son of Cornilia Marie Devlin, yes the boat is named after her) wrote here about why Deadliest Catch is so popular. Part of it is the resonance of that they are men, loving devoted and oh so unapologetic about being men. (Plus it mentions Joseph Campbell so it’s pure Dan bait too)

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 20, 2012 @ 9:18 am - December 20, 2012

  43. There are good men and bad men, no doubt about it. (Just like there are good & bad women.) Whatever the sad reason may be, Toni would seem to have access only to the bad ones.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 20, 2012 @ 9:33 am - December 20, 2012

  44. It’s no mystery how millions of women end up as bitter, angry, hopeless, man-hating single mothers like Toni, and it’s not because men ‘in general’ are violent, selfish abusers. It’s because women like Toni CHOOSE to stay in relationships and have children with men long after they have revealed themselves to be violent, abusive scumbags. It’s quite simple. Toni didn’t arrive at the conclusion that all men rape, steal, and hit because she’s a behavioral psychologist. She got there because she CHOSE to stay with (and obviously have children with) men AFTER they raped her, hit her, and/or stole from her.

    Women volunteering themselves (and their children) for that kind of abuse is so commonplace now that it’s a chiche. And the liberal, feminist hag-stablishment has done nothing to discourage it. In fact, they encourage it by romanticizing victimization and praising single motherhood as heroic. Moreover, criticizing women for making destructive, dangerous choices is not part of the feminist message because as we all know, liberalism rejects personal responsibility altogether. (Maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall hearing a peep out of the feminists when it became clear that Rihanna had renewed her relationship with Chris Brown, a man who suffocated her in a headlock almost to the point unconsciousness, bit her ear and fingers, and pounded her in the face to the point that she was unrecognizable.)

    The susceptibility of abused women to the feminist message is understandable because it absolves them of any personal responsibility for the circumstances they find themselves in. They’re encouraged to ignore the reality–that they are single, poor, un- or under-educated mothers with no support from the men who fathered their children because of THE CHOICES THEY MADE–in favor of a delusion like this one from Toni:

    “I don’t think singe motherhood is cherished. I think it is desired (at least by me) because women like myself has realized that this is the best method for self preservation and keeping the children safe and happy.”

    Of course, the overwhelming statistical evidence proves the opposite. Children raised by single mothers are far more likely to drop out of school, be govt dependent, commit crimes, be incarcerated, and on and on and on. If liberals actually cared about women, they would use the statistics to educate them and help them improve their lives (or at least avoid ruining them), but the problem with that is that it would be counter-productive to the Left’s primary objective which is to expand their control over individuals by maximizing govt dependence. Democrats would deny it of course but it’s absolutely true (or was that some other party that spent the past year trying to convince women that they can’t even be expected to pay for their own birth control?)

    Comment by Sean A — December 20, 2012 @ 11:41 am - December 20, 2012

  45. Of course, the overwhelming statistical evidence proves the opposite.

    Since when have facts ever gotten into the way of a lib’s beliefs?

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 20, 2012 @ 12:01 pm - December 20, 2012

  46. Amusing aside.

    If Levi believes that getting rid of guns will solve potential mass shootings. Shouldn’t articles like this make him want to cut off the plums?

    Well if they’ve not withered off already…

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 20, 2012 @ 1:28 pm - December 20, 2012

  47. Of course, the overwhelming statistical evidence proves the opposite. Children raised by single mothers are far more likely to drop out of school, be govt dependent, commit crimes, be incarcerated, and on and on and on.

    This is one of those data points that liberals and women don’t want to talk about, and when they do they blame it on the fact that single mothers are impoverished rather than the fact that there is no father in the picture.

    Not every man is cut out for fatherhood (just as not every woman is cut out for motherhood) but men and women should be choosy when it comes to who they decide to partner with and have (or adopt) children with.

    Comment by Just Me — December 20, 2012 @ 3:08 pm - December 20, 2012

  48. Now this may be completly whacky but reading the post and the comments on this I feel inclined to add an observation I’ve had for a while now. It seems to me I’ve encountered more and more young gay men who are looking for a ‘daddy’, one way or another, and are all too keen to lapse into that particular roleplay in a sexual context. I really do get the feeling young males are growing up without adequate adult male role models in their personal lives… for WHATEVER reason, it’s probably a long list. They simply aren’t getting the basic male adult instruction to help guide them through the minefield that is youth and then they’re going out into the world as young men still very much craving that guidance. There just seems to be an unsettling number of guys out there who are lookin’ for ‘daddy”. I know, I know, it could just be that now that I’m a bit older I’m in a position to see this particular interplay for the first time… but I don’t think so, I think this is something new.

    Lack of an adequate male role model isn’t likely to cause a young man to go berserk with an automatic but I can’t help but think getting that guidance while growing up, when young males need it most, would go a long way in perhaps preventing some of it.

    Comment by Auto — December 22, 2012 @ 1:14 am - December 22, 2012

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