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January 23, 2013 by Bruce Carroll
Stupid America says
January 23, 2013 at 9:39 pm - January 23, 2013
That sums it up, but who will listen?
V the K says
January 23, 2013 at 9:51 pm - January 23, 2013
After living in a sham marriage for decades, denial comes naturally to Hillary.
“What difference does it make,” she says, leaving off the rest of the sentence. “What difference does it make now that we covered it up, the media helped, and BO got re-elected?”
Funny how the same Democrats who castigated the Republicans for “politicizing” Benghazi are now proudly pimping the corpses of dead children to promote their gun control agenda.
January 24, 2013 at 2:39 am - January 24, 2013
“We came, we saw, he died. ha ha” -Hillary Clinton
January 24, 2013 at 1:13 pm - January 24, 2013
A reminder about what? That Republicans make and disseminate blatantly misleading propaganda videos where quotes are clipped and re-arranged to make it seem like people are saying things they didn’t actually say?
January 25, 2013 at 2:07 am - January 25, 2013
This is not an area in which I claim expertise, but two things seem true to me: 1) There were significant mistakes that should not have happened and that contributed to the tragedy of four Americans being killed in Benghazi; and 2) there were thousands of Americans and Iraqis who were tragically killed and wounded because of monumental mistakes and incompetency by Bush, Cheney, and many in their administration. My question is why the right has devoted so much more attention to the mistakes in category 1 than it ever did to those in category 2.
If you haven’t seen the Thomas Ricks interview on Fox, you should; he raises this same question far more eloquently than I could — at least until the Fox host cuts him off when he realizes that Ricks is not toeing the party line. (You may have to watch it on YouTube, since I think Fox deleted it from its site.)
January 25, 2013 at 10:11 am - January 25, 2013
Amusing Brubeck, care to list these “monumental mistakes and incompetency”? And of course, why you blame President Bush for them?
January 25, 2013 at 11:11 am - January 25, 2013
Livewire, you seriously don’t think that the Bush administration vastly underestimated the difficulty of the post-Iraqi invasion occupation and relied on an undermanned and under-equipped post-invasion force, with little understanding of the country’s political dynamics until Petraeaus came along several years later!? And that doesn’t even get into the fact that the invasion was launched on a completely erroneous judgment that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. (In fairness, many Democrats bought into the administration’s selective reading of the intelligence on this point.)
In addition, contrast the Democrats’ reaction right after 9-11 — unity, rally around the country and its leadership — with the Republicans’ immediate reaction to Benghazi — heap blame on Obama. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Bush administration could have taken more effective steps to prevent 9-11, and the failure to do so, like the failure to have enough men and equipment in Iraq, had far more disastrous consequences than the failures surrounding Benghazi.
Look, I am not saying there were no mistakes in the Benghazi situation — of course there were. What I am asking for is a sense of proportion about Benghazi and an admission that conservatives too have made foreign policy mistakes, huge ones. This blog too often takes an approach of “we’re great, the other side is entirely malevolent and incompetent,” and I don’t think that furthers the political dialogue in any sort of constructive way.
January 25, 2013 at 11:28 am - January 25, 2013
Another example: There is ample evidence that the diversion of resources from Afghanistan to Iraq under Bush allowed bin Laden to escape capture in Afghanistan (Tora Bora) and also played a big role in allowing the Taliban to hold on and regain momentum. Again, I am not saying that only conservatives make mistakes or anything like that — I am simply saying that the right shouldn’t be ignoring all the mistakes its side makes and escalating the other side’s errors beyond all reasonable proportion.
North Dallas Thirty says
January 25, 2013 at 12:22 pm - January 25, 2013
Oh, I see the desperate little boy Brubeck wants to play games.
Well, then, I really don’t think Obama Party members have any room to criticize, given that FDR’s monumenal mistakes and incompetence caused the unnecessary deaths of thousands of men at Pearl Harbor, Harry Truman’s monumental mistakes and incompetence caused the unnecessary deaths of thousands of men in the Korean War, John F. Kennedy’s monumental mistakes and incompetence caused the unnecessary deaths of men in the Bay of Pigs affair, and the combined monumental mistakes and incompetence of John F. Kennedy and LBJ caused the deaths of thousands of men in Vietnam.
You don’t like those rules, Brubeck? Tough. You established them. You stated that anyone who has ever made any mistake or is affiliated with a someone who previously made a mistake of any kind is not fit to criticize anyone else.
It’s your attempt at a game, and now I’m going to cram it right down your pathetic, bigoted throat.
What Hillary showed in her testimony is that she and Barack Obama don’t think they did anything wrong or made any mistakes. She screamed and cried that everything, EVERYTHING was the Republicans’ fault. She spent hours shrieking and pounding the table that nothing was her fault, that Republicans made her do it, that everything was due to Republicans’ decisions, that she and Obama couldn’t do anything, couldn’t take any actions, it was all the Republicans’ fault, and that anyone who dared question her or criticize her was a racist misogynist bigot.
And thus along you came to carry her message forward.
All you’re doing, Brubeck, is screaming and crying “But Bush! But BUUUUSH!” and demanding that conservatives do piety dances. There’s no intelligence or honesty to your argument; it’s nothing more than a pathetic attempt to smear and blame conservatives for the failures of your Obama Party.
You’re an insane bigot. There is no reasoning with you or any other liberal because you’re no longer capable of reason. The FIRST thing you do when confronted with ANY wrongdoing by your Obama Party is to scream and cry and try to blame Bush, then insist that conservatives have no right to ever complain about anything and that they should just shut up and do whatever Obama wants.
What conservatives are starting to realize is that the only way to get liberals to stop blaming us for everything and leave us alone is the Muslim method — riots and violence.
January 25, 2013 at 12:51 pm - January 25, 2013
My question is why the right has devoted so much more attention to the mistakes in category 1 than it ever did to those in category 2.
The only thing that really matters to Republicans is the politics. There was an election coming up, and that’s all you need to know. Republicans heard about Benghazi, assumed it would help them win the election, and began hurling turds at Obama almost immediately. This really backfired, because their complaints and criticisms ended up sounding petty, politically motivated, and incoherent. Remember that press conference Romney gave? Remember when the big complaint was that Obama didn’t call it terrorism quickly enough? They called Susan Rice a liar because she said, in the days after the attack, that they thought a protest related to the video had occurred at the consulate. And this seems to be the only gripe they have left. It’s pretty unbelievable, isn’t it? They’re mad at Obama because Susan Rice said the government thought there might have been a protest at the consulate, but they weren’t totally sure. It’s ridiculous.
But that’s how conservatives work. They get mad on command, and will go into fits over nothing. They were comparing Benghazi to Watergate. They think Obama should be impeached over it. They see more evil and stupidity in the Obama administration’s handling of Benghazi (a reactive response to a sudden, surprise crime) than they do in the Bush administration’s advocacy and persecution of the Iraq War (which was a deliberately-taken course of action that had been planned for years.) They’re really good at forgetting that Bush and the Republicans had total control of the country for the first of the 21st century.
[GP Ed. Note – It is worth pointing out that Iraq was a Congressionally approved action, Libya was not. That violates the US Constitution.]
January 25, 2013 at 3:11 pm - January 25, 2013
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January 25, 2013 at 3:43 pm - January 25, 2013
North Dallas: “Insane bigot”?! “Desperate cultists”?! Your comments read like the professional wrestling version of intellectual discourse. Is it so impossible for you to take a step back and actually engage with people who don’t think exactly like you?
January 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm - January 25, 2013
You mean the troops that he had to fight congress to get funding for? Or maybe the troops that ran in and worked through starving marsh arabs who they gave theur supplies to?
Or maybe you’re referring the troops that were vilified at every turn by our (likely) soon to be secretary of state? Or the troops that were smeared by our former Sec of state and head of the Senate?
I am impressed at the links you provided of analysis of cleaning out terrorists and finding WMD, Migs and who knows what else Iraq had?
Here’s a hint. If you find yourself agreeing with a racist truther who has no issue with killing chidren, you’re likely on the wrong side.
January 25, 2013 at 5:23 pm - January 25, 2013
Livewire: What racist truther who is ok with child killing are you referring to? I honestly have no idea who you are talking about there.
And whatever you want to say about John Kerry, he risked his life in Vietnam — he wasn’t a chicken hawk, as some others were.
January 25, 2013 at 7:14 pm - January 25, 2013
awwww the chicken hawk defense. How… old. I guess that means you lost the argument.
Let’s not forget John Kerry’s recollection of events has been found to have been seared. seared as a fabrication. He’s also a self admitted war criminal.
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January 25, 2013 at 8:36 pm - January 25, 2013
Brubeck @ #6:
1) There were significant mistakes that should not have happened and that contributed to the tragedy of four Americans being killed in Benghazi; and 2) there were thousands of Americans and Iraqis who were tragically killed and wounded because of monumental mistakes and incompetency by Bush, Cheney, and many in their administration. My question is why the right has devoted so much more attention to the mistakes in category 1 than it ever did to those in category 2.
First, lets be honest about comparing apples and oranges.
•The Iraq war was authorized by Congress and the UN was duly consulted.
•Libya was thrown into chaos by NATO actions and behind the scenes manipulation by the Oval Office and the State Department; the same tangential manipulation that brought down Mubarak and promoted the Arab Spring which opened the barn door for Morsi and the Egyptian/Muslim Brotherhood.
You draw equivalency between the war in Iraq which was authorized by Congress and the UN and the toppling Mubarak and Muammar Gaddafi by international shadow-boxing. The UN suspended Libya from the UN Human Rights Council to which the same UN had appointed Libya! Then the UN Security Council implemented a “no fly zone” to protect civilians. Defying the UN, Qatar, France and the UAE to support the rebels who called themselves the NTC=National Transitional Council. NATO and the US leapt on this “no fly zone” and ignored the violations by the NTC, Qatar, France and the UAE and fired away while “assiduously” avoid targeting Gaddafi himself. Then the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Gaddafi. Blah, blah, blah.
You find equivalence is these two cases? Really?
Forget your unproven opinions that “monumental mistakes and incompetency by Bush, Cheney and many in their administration” are cases in point. You can’t prove those charges. The MSM has had a field day trying to hang Cheney, Bush and the “neo-cons” (Jews) to no success. So the MSM has settled for tarring and feathering them in absentia.
Has the same MSM unleashed the same efforts in the Benghazi stumblefest? Clearly not.
Your question: why the right has devoted so much more attention to the mistakes in category 1 than it ever did to those in category 2.
Frankly, your question is inane. Why should “the right” devote attention to mistake in Iraq when “the left” has gone around the bend turning over every rock?
Now “the right” is holding the Benghazi fiasco up to the light and you have the Moxie to infer that turn-about is NOT fair play????
Please. [Final sentence removed at commentor’s request –Jeff]
January 25, 2013 at 8:42 pm - January 25, 2013
Maybe Bush should have had Condi pound her desk and screech “What difference does it make if we didn’t find WMD?” That was apparently sufficient to absolve Dear Reader of his malice/incompetence.
January 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm - January 25, 2013
sorry hosts, I didn’t know calling a truther a truther, and a racist a racist violated the TOS.
January 26, 2013 at 9:42 am - January 26, 2013
Please delete my comments at #16 as they might be objectionable to someone. Thank you.
[Comment not deleted, because I thought it was fine, except for the very last sentence which I have removed. –Jeff]
Sean A says
January 27, 2013 at 8:38 am - January 27, 2013
#16: “Forget your unproven opinions that “monumental mistakes and incompetency by Bush, Cheney and many in their administration” are cases in point. You can’t prove those charges. The MSM has had a field day trying to hang Cheney, Bush and the “neo-cons” (Jews) to no success. So the MSM has settled for tarring and feathering them in absentia.
Please. You are a school girl wetting her pants because we on the right are at the edge of exposing your duplicity, lying, and extra-legal adventurism which ended up with the blood of an ambassador and his defenders on your hands.”
Perfectly stated, heliotrope.