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UPDATE: There seems to be controversy over Pfeiffer’s remark on the IRS scandal, “The law is irrelevant.” Here is his full quote, for context:

“I can’t speak to the law here. The law is irrelevant. The activity was outrageous and inexcusable, and it was stopped and it needs to be fixed so we ensure it never happens again.”

Superficially, Pfeiffer said: The IRS activity was outrageous, regardless of whether it was illegal. Which sounds like taking the high road.

But Washington-speak is notoriously indirect. Pfeiffer may have been saying: The administration/DOJ is giving NO focus to the question of legality, as we intend to have no prosecutions.

To make my view clear: On current information, there should be prosecutions. If the Obama administration won’t send malefactors to court, then the Obama administration isn’t serious about repairing the scandal’s profound moral damage. As Gabe at Ace points out, “…the most obvious of crimes related to the IRS scandal [is] the public release of confidential information, something punishable by up to a year’s jail time.”

UPDATE: Per ABC, Pfeiffer later tweeted “Before folks quoting me out of context get too far ahead of themselves, of course the law matters, IRS conduct is wrong even if legal.”

Again, note Pfeiffer’s posture. While expressing outrage over what the IRS did, he carefully plants the suggestion that it might have been legal – which would mean that no prosecutions are needed. Sorry Mr. Pfeiffer, I don’t think so.

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  1. Jar Jar Binky, thinks I should commit self murder–to go with the threats of physical violence and murder that he has uttered against me in the past. How lovely! Why you haven’t been banned from this site is a mystery to me.

    Because, Cas, you and the LGBT community endorse and support telling conservatives to kill themselves.

    And you also endorse and support the Barack Obama Party and the Barack Obama administration, which wishes death on conservatives.

    Now, Cas, either repudiate the Barack Obama Party and the LGBT community for threatening death and violence against conservatives, or be exposed as demanding of others rules and standards that you won’t follow.

    And, Cas, since you won’t follow the laws, you lose their protection.

    And since you no longer have their protection, you can be told to kill yourself and have violence threatened against you all day long. We conservatives have recognized the main lesson of violent Islam: if you want liberals and “progressives” to leave you alone, you need to inflict enough pain on them to make them stop.

    You don’t like it? Tough. You should have thought of that before you deemed the rules “irrelevant”. You should have thought of that before you supported and endorsed the Obama administration’s lies. You should have thought of that before you decided to support the IRS and the Obama Party targeting and abusing government power against conservatives.

    In short, you should have respected and enforced the law equally. But since you won’t, there’s only one option left.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 21, 2013 @ 12:34 am - May 21, 2013

  2. Passing by….

    “How lovely! Why you haven’t been banned from this site is a mystery to me.”

    While trolling these people is the utmost of fun, there come a point in time in which the best solution is to ignore VtK and NDT.

    These are people who support the murder and torture of gays and want to overthrow our gov’t to institute a theocratic regime. While it is disheartening people like this exist you can take solace in the following.

    First there is no evidence that the Obama administration has been damaged by this witch-hunt or conspiracy theory. There is no reason to believe that it will. They will throw fits on blogs like this and others, but let them.

    Second, despite being ignored by this blog and despite VtK and NDT hopes and dreams the man who killed Mark Carson will be found and brought to justice. They might provide for his defense team, but we live in a civilized world and the murder will go to prison.

    Third, again despite being ignored by this blog and VtK and NDT protests, in all likelihood article 3 of DOMA will go down.

    So while they are horrible people, while they support the murder of gays, and while they want to overthrow the US, they will fail and their little plots and temper tantrums won’t matter beyond this blog.

    That brings a smile to my face, as it should yours.

    Comment by JPerry2006 — May 21, 2013 @ 1:31 am - May 21, 2013

  3. “In a fully free society, taxation—or, to be exact, payment for governmental services—would be voluntary. Since the proper services of a government—the police, the armed forces, the law courts—are demonstrably needed by individual citizens and affect their interests directly, the citizens would (and should) be willing to pay for such services, as they pay for insurance.”

    Services AREN’T and cannot be voluntarily. We live in a country. Countries cost money. We have police and many other government services that serve a valid purpose. If a criminal thug murders a poor person who doesn’t have the money to pay for police, I want that criminal arrested. If a criminal thug murders a stupid person who doesn’t want to pay for police, I want that criminal arrested. If a fire starts to burn in the apartment complex next to mine, I want the fire put out, regardless of whether that apartment owner paid for fire protection. Furthermore, if Nazis start to genocide millions of people and tries to take over Europe and supports attacks on the US and/or our allies, I want the Nazis to be defeated, even if some people don’t want to pay taxes. Thus, a lot of people want to get something for free: They would get police, fire, military, and more for free if they were allowed not pay taxes.

    Highways are also great because they help the economy and provide a good that lots of people use directly and that everyone uses indirectly or directly. (One of the reasons the highways were created was to make military movements possible in the event of war, but I would argue for them even from an economic standpoint.)

    Even the commenter I was originally replying to supporting forcing people to pay taxes. He said there should be a fair tax.

    Comment by Mitch — May 21, 2013 @ 3:03 am - May 21, 2013

  4. Hi JPerry2006,
    I don’t agree with your position concerning what many (?) commentators here think about the issues; I find that the positions of many conservative commentators on this site are much more nuanced, interesting, and thoughtful than the broadbrush you want to paint them with (and I do not think that even NDT or VK believe what you–if I read you right–think they do, though it could be that you are rhetorically “doing an NDT” with all that hyperbole. Sorry, I cannot tell.), but thank you for the advice about ignoring the slings and arrows of outrageous commentators.

    Check out VK’s website. He has an interesting sense of humour, and even if I do not support his politics or his occasional mean spiritedness, he more often than not has interesting, thoughtful, and fun things to say.

    As for NDT, I have no idea what he is talking about right now, or how it is related to the conversation; or Jah Jah Binky’s over the top aggressive and totally inappropriate rhetoric for that matter. The fact that NDT supports it in his post, says plenty about NDT. And given that he seems to be skirting a little close to the edge of inappropriate speech himself… it is also, well, sad.

    Comment by Passing By — May 21, 2013 @ 3:05 am - May 21, 2013

  5. Mitch may find this hard to believe, but most conservatives are okay with paying for national defense, the criminal justice system, highways, and a modest social welfare system. Two of these are things that are the proper role of Government, and the other two are things that there is a broad social consensus for; even if they are sub-optimal solutions.

    What conservatives object to is funding a massive and inefficient Government bureaucracy that does things that are much better done in the private sector or not at all. We object to funding a massive public education system that fails our kids and denies choices to parents. We object to funding regulatory bureaucracies that impose massive costs on business and achieve little if any public benefit. We object to funding bloated, corrupt welfare systems that entrap people in dependency and that we can no longer afford We object to the growing police state, where the Department of Education has its own SWAT Teams that they deploy against … student loan debtors. (WTF) We object to funding a Government so huge and corrupt it can be, and has been, used to attack political opponents of the administration. We object to the crony socialism of the Obama regime sending billions of dollars to favored enterprises owned by wealthy donors and propping up Wall Street to the tune of $85 Billion a month. We object to subsidizing a higher education system that is bloated, expensive, and out of touch with the culture and values of middle America.

    Comment by V the K — May 21, 2013 @ 8:51 am - May 21, 2013

  6. BTW, that “the emails were doctored” talking point gets three Pinocchios from the WashPost. Sucks to be you, talking pointers.

    Comment by V the K — May 21, 2013 @ 8:52 am - May 21, 2013

  7. The funny part about the Obama puppet Mitch whining and moaning about services and the necessity of taxes is how Mitch endorses and supports the Obama Party and its endorsement and support of tax cheats.

    Furthermore, as the IRS scandal shows, Mitch and his Obama Party believe that tax enforcement and having to follow the tax laws are solely dependent on political affiliation.

    Which demonstrates quite nicely that Mitch and his fellow Obama supporters do not want to pay their taxes; instead, they want “services” at other peoples’ expense.

    I wonder if Mitch is man enough to come back and answer for why his Obama Party supports tax cheats and why his Obama Party uses the IRS to punish and harass conservatives while ignoring tax fraud being committed by Obama supporters?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 21, 2013 @ 10:31 am - May 21, 2013

  8. Meanwhile, as for JPerry2006’s rant, it is hilarious that he projects onto others what he and his fellow left-wing liberals actually do.

    And if JPerry2006 were so concerned about peoples’ lives, he and his fellow liberal gays might actually take the time to be more careful, instead of getting children sick at a rate twice that of sub-Saharan Africa.

    Not to mention, as I pointed out, that JPerry2006 and the Barack Obama Party openly call for conservatives to be killed, especially gay conservatives.

    When you keep all that in mind, the fact that JPerry2006 is a violent bigot who hides behind his sexual orientation is obvious to all. Not even the anti-conservative bigot Cas wants to be associated with JPerry2006’s obvious instability and hate.

    LOL.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 21, 2013 @ 10:37 am - May 21, 2013

  9. As for NDT, I have no idea what he is talking about right now, or how it is related to the conversation; or Jah Jah Binky’s over the top aggressive and totally inappropriate rhetoric for that matter. The fact that NDT supports it in his post, says plenty about NDT. And given that he seems to be skirting a little close to the edge of inappropriate speech himself… it is also, well, sad.

    Comment by Passing By — May 21, 2013 @ 3:05 am – May 21, 2013

    It’s called demanding that you piety dance, Cas.

    You screamed and ranted about violence in speech and telling people to kill themselves and demanded that conservatives piety-dance and condemn it.

    You got provided the opportunity to condemn it yourself from your fellow bigots in the Obama Party.

    And you flunked.

    So since you won’t condemn violent speech and telling people to kill themselves when it comes from the Obama Party, you don’t deserve the same courtesy being extended to you.

    And since you clearly support and endorse telling conservatives to kill themselves, the same can and should be thrown back at you.

    As I mentioned, Cas, conservatives have long since figured out that bigots like you and JPerry2006 do not respect courtesy, civility, or standards; indeed, you openly take advantage of them to steal from and harm people.

    Hence you no longer shall receive the benefit of all three. You shall be treated as a a malicious liar like your Obama, a tax cheat like your Obama, and a violent murderer who wishes conservatives were dead like your Obama’s Dan Savage and Michelangelo Signorile.

    Is that clear?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 21, 2013 @ 10:44 am - May 21, 2013

  10. From the link at #56 – The Washington Post fact check says:

    Indeed, Republicans would have been foolish to seriously doctor e-mails that the White House at any moment could have released (and eventually did). Clearly, of course, Republicans would put their own spin on what the e-mails meant, as they did in the House report. Given that the e-mails were almost certain to leak once they were sent to Capitol Hill, it’s a wonder the White House did not proactively release them earlier.

    In the comments in the link at #56:

    10:23 AM EDT
    There really should be an investigation into who doctored the relevant emails. Evidence tampering is not something that should be taken lightly.

    The Republicans may claim to love the Bible but they seem to have difficulty understanding the “Thou shall not bear false witness part.”

    Isn’t it amazing how the talking points Progressive will drive the bus over what they didn’t want to know and just stay focused on the talking points?

    Cas Passing Gas decided that ILC needed to be taken to the woodshed over his use or misuse of the word refute rather than attend to actual issue.

    So, out of irascibility, I laid the “doctored” claim back on Cas Passing Gas in the spirit of turnabout being fair play and all that kindergarten level debate shifting that Cas Passing Gas plays as high dudgeon and superiority domination.

    Not being invested in all the permutations of the shielded email story, I may have been mistaken about its final disposition in terms of whether it has been released or not. That is a distinction without a difference, however when it comes to “who doctored the e-mails.” The issue is what is meant or even implied when one claims “doctoring.”

    So far, Cas Passing Gas is perfectly content to be pompously spurious in ignoring the tacit understanding urged by repeating the claim of “doctoring.”

    We all know that the general meaning of “doctoring” an email is to alter it, to change it, to falsify it. The WaPo fact checker takes this meaning when he asserts: Indeed, Republicans would have been foolish to seriously doctor e-mails that the White House at any moment could have released (and eventually did).

    Just to be clear, the WaPo fact checker is stating that emails “doctored”, meaning altered, by the Republicans would be immediately exposed when compared with the original emails.

    But the spin game is so embedded in the ideologically driven minds of many Progressives that one commenter to the WaPo story says: There really should be an investigation into who doctored the relevant emails. Proof positive that “damn the facts, that’s my story and I am sticking to it” always trumps logic, reason and precision.

    “Doctored” = Mary Mapes, Bill Burkett, Dan Rather and “false, but accurate.” The chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Terry McAuliffe, suggested that the memos might have originated with long-time Bush strategist Karl Rove. and so forth.

    Grasping at straws is how straw men are built.

    What Cas Passing Gas likely can neither see nor understand (when shown) is how desperate one looks when one resorts to nit-picking as the primary diversion to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand. It is often called “bunker mentality” which is the sense of self-justification, defensiveness and being overwhelmed by the weight of losing control. Spinmeisters only exist to control the narrative. Therefore, spinmeisters resort to knee-jerk reactions when the truth threatens them.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 21, 2013 @ 11:28 am - May 21, 2013

  11. Mitch @ #53:

    Services AREN’T and cannot be voluntarily. We live in a country. Countries cost money.

    No sane person would suggest that any government operate on donations.

    As a strict, fiscal conservative, I fully support a system of compulsory taxation in order promote the very general welfare which includes roads, defense, safe drinking water, education, police, fire departments, sewage systems, and other fundamental signs of living in a civilized and advanced society.

    There is no need to argue about funding primary functions through compulsory taxation.

    Now, I also believe that if you can not pay taxes from your government provided housing with your food stamp fed body that you can provide your labor as an exchange for what the working taxpayers send your way by way of the welfare system. (Somehow, I imagine you see that as some kind of slavery.)

    As I write this: “The SenateJudiciary Committee voted Monday to allow illegal immigrants who get legal status to begin collecting tax-welfare payments, as the panel spent a fourth day working through amendments to the massive immigration bill and party-line splits began to emerge.”

    We who pay taxes are forced (compulsory) to pay more and more taxes for ever more micro management of our lives and the lives of others.

    It is hardly surprising that those who pay little or no taxes are among the loudest in defending the system of wealth transfer and increasing the “free stuff” from “Obama’s stash.”

    Perhaps you are a wealthy and heavily taxed individual who is giddy-happy to pay compulsory taxes without reservation. May I point out that you are free to send additional donations to the Treasury? Knock yourself out.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 21, 2013 @ 11:49 am - May 21, 2013

  12. Why you haven’t been banned from this site is a mystery to me.

    It really bothers you, doesn’t it?

    Good! 😀

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 21, 2013 @ 11:57 am - May 21, 2013

  13. That brings a smile to my face, ….

    Comment by JP*ssy2006 — May 21, 2013 @ 1:31 am

    Smile while you can, because things are about to change……..

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 21, 2013 @ 12:02 pm - May 21, 2013

  14. What Cas Passing Gas likely can neither see nor understand (when shown) is how desperate one looks when one resorts to nit-picking as the primary diversion to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand. It is often called “bunker mentality”

    It’s called “parsing the murder of 4 Americans”.

    Leave to a vile, despicable hunk of dogs**t like Cas-h*le to engage in it.

    Typical.

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 21, 2013 @ 12:07 pm - May 21, 2013

  15. Well, Purple People Eater, if the aim is to deflect attention from my criticism of ILC’s claim concerning Hot Air’s “refutation,” you struggle manfully on. But, I will stick with my initial claim, and leave you to worry about whatever it is you are worrying about…

    “It is often called “bunker mentality” which is the sense of self-justification, defensiveness and being overwhelmed by the weight of losing control. Spinmeisters only exist to control the narrative. Therefore, spinmeisters resort to knee-jerk reactions when the truth threatens them.” Yes, your response to my initial comment shows this “bunker mentality” very well.

    Jman1961, “It really bothers you, doesn’t it?”

    It doesn’t bother me that you haven’t been banned, as yet. What bothers me is that you think it is OK to offer threats of violence to people; that other commentators on this site can listen to you doing so and think it is OK; and that no action is taken by moderators of this site when you do.

    Comment by Passing By — May 21, 2013 @ 12:47 pm - May 21, 2013

  16. Of course it bothers you, Cas; Obama supporters like you want the rules applied to punish and silence your opposition.

    That is the whole point of Benghazi, the IRS, the DOJ wiretaps, and now the Obama FBI stating that reporting the news is a crime. It is you and your fellow Obama supporters using governmental power to punish and silence any political opposition.

    That is what you do not comprehend, Cas. We are aware that your “outrage” is not against tyranny, violence, or abuse: it is against you not being in charge of it.

    And hence your whining and upset is that of a spoiled brat who is not getting its way and is resorting to shrieking that it’s “not fair”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 21, 2013 @ 1:04 pm - May 21, 2013

  17. What bothers me is that you think it is OK to offer threats of violence to people; that other commentators on this site can listen to you doing so and think it is OK;

    Comment by Passing By Cas-Hole, First, Last and Always — May 21, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

    What bothers ME (and most everyone else here) is that YOU think it’s OK to trivialize the vile actions of your fellow liars and tyrants to dismiss the MURDER of four Americans; that other commentators on this site (like that f**ktard JP*ssy2006) can listen to you doing so and think it is OK.

    If you don’t like what’s happening here, then FO

    …and that no action is taken by moderators of this site when you do.

    Comment by Passing By Away — May 21, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

    Your totalitarian impulse is showing again, Cas-hole.
    It’s just too great a temptation for you to tell others how to run their affairs, isn’t it, you fascist witch?

    Now go away, before somebody drops a ban on YOU.

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 21, 2013 @ 1:15 pm - May 21, 2013

  18. What Cas Passing Gas likely can neither see nor understand (when shown) is how desperate one looks when one resorts to nit-picking as the primary diversion to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand.

    Clearly, Cas Passing Gas has demonstrated that my little escape hatch of saying “Cas Passing Gas likely can neither see nor understand…….” was a courtesy rejected.

    Cas Passing Gas has returned to prove that Cas Passing Gas CAN NOT see or understand how desperate Cas Passing Gas looks when Cas Passing Gas resorts to nit-picking as the primary diversion in order to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand.

    Cas Passing Gas tacitly agrees with the analysis.

    As if anyone here is the least bit surprised.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 21, 2013 @ 1:31 pm - May 21, 2013

  19. Woo-Hoo! 69!

    Comment by V the K — May 21, 2013 @ 2:56 pm - May 21, 2013

  20. “Woo-Hoo! 69!”
    🙂

    Comment by Passing By — May 21, 2013 @ 5:30 pm - May 21, 2013

  21. [Purple Prognosticator] resorts to nit-picking as the primary diversion in order to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand.”

    Agree.

    Comment by Passing By — May 21, 2013 @ 5:31 pm - May 21, 2013

  22. mike #6: Simple question for you. The IRS revealing people’s confidential information is a crime, punishable by up to a year in jail. And we KNOW already that it was done. Should the IRS employees who did it – and/or the White House employees who ordered it, if any – be immediately discovered through investigation and, in due course, put on trial?

    If you can’t answer ‘yes’ to that readily, then we have no basis for rational discussion.

    Note that, last Sunday, Pfeiffer in effect gave a ‘non-yes’ answer. While professing his outrage, Pfeiffer planted hints that the IRS actions might have been legal. Also known as ‘misleading the American public’ (something your Obama administration does often). But you don’t want to deal with that, so instead, you start in with calling me a liar. Nice.

    PB – No evidence was tampered with. As with mike: If you can’t see that, then I can’t help you.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 22, 2013 @ 11:16 am - May 22, 2013

  23. ILC,

    It is not a case of “can’t see” so much as a case of refuses to see. The ideologue totally committed to the banality of ideological purity will not see, speak or hear anything that challenges either the dogma or the dear leader. But you already know that.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 22, 2013 @ 7:57 pm - May 22, 2013

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