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Happy Memorial Day, er, weekend! And a big Thank You to GP commenter heliotrope for the following, which he posted as part of a longer comment, some ten days ago. I must warn that it’s not exactly cheery; but neither is the state of America these days.

In an environment of enabling corruption, these words are tested:

“Experience has shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
― Thomas Jefferson

“The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome

“A man who has never gone to school may steal a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

“Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist.”
― Edmund Burke

“Power does not corrupt men; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power.”
― George Bernard Shaw

“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

“Look at the orators in our republics; as long as they are poor, both state and people can only praise their uprightness; but once they are fattened on the public funds, they conceive a hatred for justice, plan intrigues against the people and attack the democracy.”
― Aristophanes, Plutus

“Might and wrong combined, like iron magnetized, are endowed with irresistible attraction.”
― Nathaniel Hawthorne, The House of the Seven Gables

“Why should he watch the hideous corruption of his soul?”
― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

“I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

Obama, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder have made “not knowing” an art form. They learn of bad things by an occasional glance at the TV where the news is reporting it. That is the modus operandi of corruption. Unlike Ghandi, their minds are open to walking through by all manner of dirty feet, so long as there is no record kept or chain of evidence linking to them.

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31 Comments

  1. How many people know that “Jihad” is Arabic for “Mein Kampf?”

    Comment by V the K — May 26, 2013 @ 4:37 pm - May 26, 2013

  2. Our government is, today, so powerful that NO one can be expected to handle that power well. This goes beyond even being a partisan issue. It’s a basic fact of human nature.

    The men and women who gave their lives for this country didn’t do so to enable one faction to tyrannize another. Every human being is fallible. We need a government small enough for fallible people to handle.

    Our founders understood that. They fought a revolution based on that principle. If we don’t remember it soon, our nation will be beyond saving.

    Comment by Lori Heine — May 26, 2013 @ 5:04 pm - May 26, 2013

  3. @2: Well said, Lori. Mark Steyn quotes Milton Freidman as saying “Rather than elect the right people to do the right things create the broader political conditions whereby the wrong people are forced to do the right things.”

    Only the citizenry can create the necessary political conditions and, pessimist that I am…

    Comment by KCRob (SoCalRobert) — May 26, 2013 @ 5:56 pm - May 26, 2013

  4. Off topic but… Jeff – if you (or Dan, Bruce, or Kurt) have read David Stockman’s book (The Great Deformation), please consider posting your thoughts on it. Thanks.

    Comment by KCRob (SoCalRobert) — May 26, 2013 @ 5:59 pm - May 26, 2013

  5. Another great quote to add which applies to more than just the recent scandals: “One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.” – Thomas B Reed (1886)

    Comment by Neil — May 26, 2013 @ 9:10 pm - May 26, 2013

  6. Also, Don’t you love how Democrats try to brand Republicans as Nazis yet all their beliefs & ideals closely mirror the talking points of Hitler?

    Comment by Neil — May 26, 2013 @ 9:13 pm - May 26, 2013

  7. I thought the Mein Kampf quote might be to good to be true (I have experience debunking Hitler quotes cited by the Left). The first sentence does in fact appear in Mein Kampf, but the second sentence appears to be fraudulent and known as such. The first sentence, by the way, appears in a paragraph talking about eugenics:

    The folkish state must make up for what everyone else today has neglected in this field. It must set race in the center of all life. It must take care to keep it pure. It must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. It must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one’s own sickness and deficiencies to bring children into the world, and one highest honor: to renounce doing so. And conversely it must be considered reprehensible: to withhold healthy children from the nation. Here the state must act as the guardian of a millennial future in the face of which the wishes and the selfishness of the individual must appear as nothing and submit. It must put the most modern medical means in the service of this knowledge. It must declare unfit for propagation all who are in any way visibly sick or who have inherited a disease and can therefore pass it on, and put this into actual practice. Conversely, it must take care that the fertility of the healthy woman is not limited by the financial irresponsibility of a state régime which turns the blessing of children into a curse for the parents. It must put an end to that lazy, nay criminal, indifference with which the social premises for a fecund family are treated today, and must instead feel itself to be the highest guardian of this most precious blessing of a people. Its concern belongs more to the child than to the adult.

    Taken from: http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v2c2.htm

    Comment by bfwebster — May 26, 2013 @ 10:08 pm - May 26, 2013

  8. My source for this quote is not from Mein Kampf, but from another source which I apparently trusted. I took it from a file of quotes that I have assembled over the years for the purpose of informing my own writing. I will take the word of bfwebster @ #5 that the quote is bogus. It is neither very literate nor particularly germane. I probably should have passed over it.

    I understand bfwebster to be saying the second part of the quote is known to be fraudulent. I would be interested in the who, how and why it has attracted attention. Was it the important basis of some claim or is it more a matter of setting the record straight for the sake of setting the record straight? That is not a defensive statement on my part. I would be interested to know if there was some important mischief or dishonesty associated with it.

    Thanks for the “head’s up.”

    Comment by heliotrope — May 26, 2013 @ 10:48 pm - May 26, 2013

  9. Barak Hussein Obama has a new URL for his “transformed” America: BHO-CEO/CriminalEnterprises.gov. We have a long 3.5 years!

    Comment by Jim Van Zandt — May 27, 2013 @ 2:36 pm - May 27, 2013

  10. KCR(SCR) – I’ve read a couple chapters of Stockman’s book, not the whole thing. I can’t do it justice without reading it carefully. Let’s say, for now, that the book is a little rant-y and I think he gets some things wrong…but I’m frequently delighted by how much he gets right.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 27, 2013 @ 11:25 pm - May 27, 2013

  11. #7 / #8 – OK then, should I knock the quote out of the main post?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 27, 2013 @ 11:27 pm - May 27, 2013

  12. That is not a quote from Mein Kampf, it is a made-up quote.

    Comment by Hans Bouma — May 28, 2013 @ 12:14 am - May 28, 2013

  13. “No controlling legal authority”

    Al Gore 1997

    Kind of sums it up.

    Comment by Blair Ivey — May 28, 2013 @ 5:42 am - May 28, 2013

  14. ILC,

    It would be fine with me to deep six the disputed quote. It is of no special value.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 28, 2013 @ 9:14 am - May 28, 2013

  15. The interesting thing about the quotes is that they could be easily used by folks on the other side of the fence, to say things about folks on your side of the fence. For example: quoting Nietzsche: ““The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently,” could be said just as easily (and is, on liberal website) of folks who share your views. I think Nietzsche would view the use of this idea from Daybreak , in this way and for this purpose, with a rather large and hearty laugh.

    Comment by Passing By — May 28, 2013 @ 12:44 pm - May 28, 2013

  16. heliotrope – Quote axed.

    Just for the record, I removed the following quote from the main post, becuase it is considered spurious in its second sentence. “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” ― attributed to Adolf Hitler.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 28, 2013 @ 1:09 pm - May 28, 2013

  17. PB: Just because they’d utter one of the quotes to flatter themselves, does not make their use of the quote wise or true.

    To continue with the Nietzsche example: It’s pretty clear that in today’s world, leftism is the ruling orthodoxy. People who dare to think differently are stigmatized; as just one example, if you dare question the Left’s dogma of Anthropogenic Global Warming, you are then called a flat-earther, an enemy who should be prosecuted for spreading ignorance, etc. Now, lefties will often flatter themselves that, by taking stands to enforce orthodoxy on AGW, they are somehow doing something courageous (say, against the big corporation-y corporations). And so leftists might whip out the Nietzsche quote, casting themselves as heroes (the brave souls who dare to think differently). But they’re not; they’re the opposite. Flattering themselves is the operative concept.

    For a non-political example, we could look at Apple’s commercials. They flatter Apple users as brave souls who have dared to think differently, because they have joined in with the giant herds buying Apple products. (No offense to Apple users intended. I’m only saying, products should stand or fall on their merits, not because the hype has pressured and/or flattered you a certain way.)

    Long story short, “even the Devil can quote Scripture to his purpose.” A skilled manipulator knows how to flatter ‘the herd’ so that, even as they enforce herd orthodoxy for him, they can still believe or half-believe that they’re being cool, brave, independent, smart, etc. But, so what? It’s still the opposite of the truth.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 28, 2013 @ 1:22 pm - May 28, 2013

  18. It is no surprise that Cas Passing Gas douches with Nietzsche. Birds of a feather and all that…..

    Nietzsche was the source of much metaphysical gas from which existential nihilism took form. Here is one of this epiphanies taken from Daybreak and loved by all sophomores rooted in place :

    Custom represents the experiences of men of earlier times as to what they supposed useful and harmful – but the sense for custom (morality) applies, not to these experiences as such, but to the age, the sanctity, the indiscussability of the custom. And so this feeling is a hindrance to the acquisition of new experiences and the correction of customs: that is to say, morality is a hindrance to the development of new and better customs: it makes stupid.

    What is laugh out loud funny is that the very dead Nietzsche has succeeded in establishing the “custom” of nihilism in “new age” babblers who “sanctify” the “indiscussability” of the growing evermore ancient “custom” of nihilism and endlessly chase their own tails in the process.

    Nietzsche interposed “custom” and “morality.” The mods invested in nihilism have improved on him on that one. They use “moral relativity” as the replacement for custom.

    The point is, Cas Passing Gas practices self veneration from the dais of disdain while sneering contemptuously down its nose at the great unwashed. The great unwashed being, of course, all those whom Cas Passing Gas deigns as needing a thorough, sniggering rebuke.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 28, 2013 @ 10:01 pm - May 28, 2013

  19. I would point out, Heliotrope, that you first used the Nietzsche quote as one of your quotes in the list of approved reprinted quotes– and that everyone of the charges that you are using to castigate him (and me, I guess) applies to you as well. If cutting your nose off to spite your face is a winning strategy, go for it. I just think it makes for looking ugly.

    You seem to be arguing a bit more in the style of NDT these days; and this has not been like you, as I have known you in discussion over the last couple of years. You have been off your game for the last six or so months. Are you feeling OK? I ask out of concern, not sarcasm.

    Daybreak, 575

    Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 2:33 pm - May 29, 2013

  20. ” It’s pretty clear that in today’s world, leftism is the ruling orthodoxy.”
    I am unsure what to make of this, ILC. If you are saying that policies favouring mixed economies (government and markets intertwined) are dominant, than I agree. I wouldn’t necessarily call this leftist, because plenty of “rightists” benefit from these polices, and are happy with them; example–housing mortgage rate deductions. I see these kinds of things on a continuum. What I do think is the issue, is not a set of ideologies that span left-right, but span elites-rest of us. Elite folks just think differently about these things–they owe more in common with elites in other countries than they do with their own fellow citizens. Unfortunately, we get to be the recipients of elite culture direction–be it for elites, or what the elites think that down-home folks and the great unwashed want or can be made to want. I was reminded of a film I loved when I first saw it, “Live” starring Roddy piper (with that great line said in the bank!). We have a surface set of distinctions that do not mean anything to those who actually benefit the most from this system. They have their own set of rules…

    Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 2:57 pm - May 29, 2013

  21. You seem to be arguing a bit more in the style of NDT these days; and this has not been like you, as I have known you in discussion over the last couple of years. You have been off your game for the last six or so months. Are you feeling OK? I ask out of concern, not sarcasm.

    Daybreak, 575

    Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 2:33 pm – May 29, 2013

    If you cared about Heliotrope, Passing By, you wouldn’t be smearing him and namecalling him.

    So your attempt to lie about your motivations once again falls flat.

    Furthermore, since you have previously stated that people should be banned for namecalling, please state that you by your own rules should be banned.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 29, 2013 @ 3:38 pm - May 29, 2013

  22. Cas Passing Gas,

    Let’s take this very slowly. I chose this quote which, coincidentally, was made up of words arranged by Nietzsche:

    “The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”

    The vast majority of our universities do not tolerate conservative thinking or even conservatives. “Political correctness” is a speech code based on censorship. Thinking differently from statists and socialists is objectionable, crass, ignorant, unrefined, inappropriate, wrong-headed and foul.

    The fact that Nietzsche puts these words together is ironic. However, you alone came tap dancing in placing emphasis on the author and making a sniggering side bar based on Nietzsche’s philosophical persona rather than to actually take the measure the words and the meanings they impute.

    You engaged in your never-ending bunkum of shifting the topic so that you can play the game of one-upsmanship.

    You are a moral relativist, a statist and a socialist. You rely on the state to redistribute to you for your security. You would like a higher standard of guaranteed living redistributed to you by the state. That you live and breathe and are nourished by the miasma of existentialism laced with nihilism is hardly surprising to anyone here.

    What you seem to misunderstand entirely is that nobody here is even remotely interested in engaging you in your bull sessions that are supposed to “explain” the alchemy you employ in building the Bolshevist road to Utopia.

    Thank you for your sincere concerns for my geriatric slippage in sharpness and acuity which you have monitored over the last half year. Shall I take vitamins, go gluten free, try yoga or just hang it up?

    Comment by heliotrope — May 29, 2013 @ 5:33 pm - May 29, 2013

  23. Hi NDT,
    “If you cared about Heliotrope, Passing By, you wouldn’t be smearing him and namecalling him.”

    Hmm. I think you can care for someone and still give them a taste of their own medicine, NDT. Apparently you disagree. Or, are you saying, I should just allow him to call me names and not have the opportunity to return like with like? Hmmm… Perhaps, its just one set of rules for you, and another for others. Cool bananas.

    “Furthermore, since you have previously stated that people should be banned for namecalling, please state that you by your own rules should be banned.”

    Hmm. Love to see the link on that one. I have said that people should be banned for making threats of violence (even if “they were only joking”). I am open to correction on this once I see the evidence you have NDT for making this claim.

    If we followed the path of your logic, NDT, I would be departing (apparently, if you are right), a little after you and Heliotrope–and quite a few others too, if we followed that rule!

    Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 6:16 pm - May 29, 2013

  24. Why yes, Piss Cas.

    You have previously stated that conservatives should just allow others to call them names.

    You’ve made it clear that it’s one set of rules for you and another for everyone else.

    And you’ve also pusses and cried that you don’t have to provide evidence for your claims.

    Plus you’ve repeatedly demonstrated that you’re not open to correction on anything and have no intention of abiding by or following your own rules.

    So by all signs, you’re a malicious, malevolent, and desperate bigot who will say and do anything, no matter how untrue or unethical, to get what you want.

    And everyone here recognizes that.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 29, 2013 @ 8:06 pm - May 29, 2013

  25. So, NDT, you have no link, so you are apparently just blowing smoke regarding the claim about banning for calling names. OK. We got that clear.

    As for the rest, it misses the point. I have said that you have qualities that I admire, NDT–foremost that you come to the aid of your friends because of the loyalty that you feel. Good for you; you did it here again, as a good friend does; but as was also clear from your posts–you had nothing to say about my critique of what Heliotrope said in his post–and for good reason.

    The point I made is perfectly clear. Even Heliotrope doesn’t bother to refute it–rather, he thinks that it is enough to assert that he knows what Nietzsche meant, and that he knows the proper way to use him–well, how very “academic” of him. And exactly the attitude that one can rightfully giggle at, given that he is quoting Nietzsche of all philosophers! Heliotrope just feels burned that the obvious was pointed out to him.

    And Heliotrope, I do not know why your argumentative style has changed, or, what you should do about it. I meant what I said–it was said without any intent to be mean–just out of genuine concern. Maybe I have made a mountain out of a mole-hill; but it is a noticeable qualitative difference to me.

    Comment by Passing By — May 30, 2013 @ 12:44 am - May 30, 2013

  26. And Heliotrope, I do not know why your argumentative style has changed…

    Comment by Passing By — May 30, 2013 @ 12:44 am

    With apologies to heliotrope, who I respect and admire. I ‘d like to suggest a possible answer

    He’s sick and tired of suffering assh*les, like you, gladly.
    I think that might be the reason.

    And to engage in the echolalia that has become your signature since your (unwelcome) return to these threads:

    I meant mean what I said–it was said without any intent to be mean (although it’s an absolutely intentional by-product of making the comment)–just out of genuine concern. :D

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 30, 2013 @ 2:38 am - May 30, 2013

  27. although it’s an absolutely intentional welcome by-product…

    Fixed.

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 30, 2013 @ 2:44 am - May 30, 2013

  28. “With apologies to heliotrope, who I respect and admire. I ‘d like to suggest a possible answer”
    No worries, NDT. Thanks for your insights.

    Comment by Passing By — May 30, 2013 @ 3:20 am - May 30, 2013

  29. No worries, NDT. Thanks for your insights.

    Comment by Passing By In Desperate Need of Four Point Restraints — May 30, 2013 @ 3:20 am

    Wrong again, Cas-hole.

    But I had a sneaking suspicion that you and that scrunt ‘Serenity’ might be one and the same.

    I’ve penciled you in for 3 this afternoon to be fitted for your strait jacket.
    Try to be on time, eh?

    Comment by Jman1961 — May 30, 2013 @ 3:43 am - May 30, 2013

  30. And Heliotrope, I do not know why your argumentative style has changed, or, what you should do about it.

    Apparently, I should not take on an iota of concern about any change in my “argumentative style” as you continue to do what you always have done and perpetually get to the same point of shifting the topic and ignoring the premise/facts and respond by being Cas Passing Gas.

    I am not certains if narcissistic arrogance is a redundancy, but if not, you have them both in spades.

    Comment by heliotrope — May 30, 2013 @ 11:06 am - May 30, 2013

  31. So, NDT, you have no link, so you are apparently just blowing smoke regarding the claim about banning for calling names. OK. We got that clear.

    No, we don’t “got that clear”.

    To “got that clear”, you’re going to state that any claim, any sentence you write that does not have a link is non-factual and “blowing smoke”.

    Can you do that, Piss Cas?

    Of course not. Your point is to never have to follow rules, abide by standards, or do anything that would actually tie you to a system of requirements that can’t be changed at a moment’s notice.

    So since you demand hypocritical standards, we throw them back in your face.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2013 @ 11:17 am - May 30, 2013

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