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Hostage crisis quieting down?

These past few weeks, President Obama has (metaphorically or morally) held a gun to America’s head, demanding that his profligate borrow-and-spending be fully funded or else he’ll default on America’s debt payments.

Now it looks like the crisis is receding, with the hostage-taker mostly getting his way. It isn’t clear if the GOP achieved anything, except yet another committee to look into the nation’s fiscal turpitude.

Knowing that the Tea Party doesn’t have the votes it needs (yet) to break through that turpitude, I didn’t really expect a different outcome. So, I’m not too upset. But was the time & drama worth it?

I say yes: at least it shed light on these issues. Even if you can’t stop lying would-be dictators from succeeding, it’s still worthwhile to rip their masks off. Seeing Obama lie outright about the debt (as I always suspected he would, when cornered) was priceless.

Perhaps Pascal Emmanuel Gobry at Forbes would feel as I do? He writes about the crisis showing Tea Party mettle, and about the hope he feels from seeing the House GOP at least demand (even if they didn’t win) Congress being put on Obamacare like the rest of us. But he also notes that the crisis may have distracted much-deserved attention from Obama’s other troubles, like Obamacare’s launch failure.

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  1. OK. … And OK.

    Google the term “Scozzafavaed” which refers to just one specific purge..

    Read much?

    You said ALL and then posted to one.

    The point is, Soncifrog, liberals typically lard their hyperbole with weighted crap that won’t float.

    You wrote that conservatives require others to comply with ““share all of your values and principles.” That is pure silliness. Do you think that everyone labeled conservative share all the same convictions, values, principles? Hello! They are so monolithic that seldom is heard a discouraging word and they play patty cake all the live long day?

    Do you mean that all conservatives are by definition opposed to gay marriage?

    Really, that is a pathetic point of logic to be arguing.

    Comment by heliotrope — October 18, 2013 @ 3:18 pm - October 18, 2013

  2. The Andrew Sullivanization of SonicFrog is complete.

    Next, he’ll be lecturing us about Sarah Palin’s uterus.

    Comment by V the K — October 18, 2013 @ 4:17 pm - October 18, 2013

  3. Do you think that everyone labeled conservative share all the same convictions, values, principles? Hello!

    No. I don’t. But when they don’t, the rabid wing of the party, now represented by the Tea Party, kicks them to the curb. And not on fiscal matters either. Jon Huntsman was certainly more fiscally conservative than either Michelle Backmann or, especially Rick Santorum! But Huntsman got no support at all because he didn’t sign a stupid petition to posture and show off him principles! Yeah, he was the ambassador to China under the current President, but he was still more fiscally conservative than half the guys who stayed in it primaries.

    Problem was… He wasn’t a True Conservative! He was… Eek! A RINO!!!!

    That’s just one of many examples of why the Tea Party has become the farce that it is.

    PS. NDT. Thanks for the Lieberman reminder. I rescind my comment on # 93.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 4:49 pm - October 18, 2013

  4. Uh huh, Sonicfrog.

    Just like you and your fellow Obama liberals treated Ronald Reagan with such respect when he was in office.

    The pattern continues. McCain was “moderate” right up until he ran against Obama. Romney was “moderate” right up until he ran against Obama. You and your fellow bigot liberals said you wanted these “moderates” — and then you turned around and demonized them.

    What the Tea Party has realized is that you are a malicious and malignant liar who will say anything to get your way and then turn around and do the opposite. You and your disgusting ilk want the government to punish those you hate and give their earnings to you, and that’s ultimately what you support in every case. If Huntsman did anything else, you would turn around and demonize HIM as extremist and radical.

    PS. NDT. Thanks for the Lieberman reminder. I rescind my comment on # 93.

    Oh no you don’t.

    You screamed that these “purges” showed that the party in question which shares your anti-Tea Party views was extremist and radical and bigoted.

    Now you’re either going to call your fellow anti-Tea Party folk extremist, radical, and bigoted, or you’re exposed as a hypocrite.

    You want “equality”, Sonic. Either hold your fellow anti-Tea Party bigots similarly accountable or admit that bigots like you and they cannot meet the standards you demand of the Tea Party and are thus inferior.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 5:08 pm - October 18, 2013

  5. Um… I voted for Reagan both times.

    Now you’re either going to call your fellow anti-Tea Party folk extremist, radical, and bigoted, or you’re exposed as a hypocrite.

    Libertarians! You’re hypocrites.

    Oh… Do you mean the Democrats? Seeing that I’m not a done of those, your latest rant is mute.

    Another “WINNING” for NDT.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 5:47 pm - October 18, 2013

  6. The shutdown was a “failure” only because the towel was thrown in by the same spineless, gutless bastards…

    But that was inevitable. That’s why this is so dumb. Because you guys can get anyone to ally with you, you know, actually do politics in the political theater, because you work so hard to drive anyone who is not pure of principle away, you were going to lose.

    And, predictably, you did. You WON’T GET WHAT YOU WANT without getting allies. And you won’t get allies as long as your wing of the party continues to be jerks.

    I know you guys want to be right so so bad, and the echo chamber here makes it seem like you’re winning… But in the real world, the one where votes are counted and policy is set, you’re not. The shutdown may actually be the final nail in the coffin for Virginia’s Cuccinelli and, unbelievably, professional huckster Terry McAullife may win because of it.

    We’ll see what happens there

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 6:01 pm - October 18, 2013

  7. LMAO.

    Why, Sonicfrog, do you think we would ever be stupid enough to believe that you would ally with us?

    You hate Republicans, you hate conservatives, and you hate Tea Partiers. All you do is rant and scream and bash and go on about how awful all of these people are.

    And then hilariously, when confronted with the failure of your Obamacare, you scream that it’s the Republicans’ fault for distracting the country with the shutdown.

    You aren’t a rational person, Sonicfrog. You’re a bigot. You have never said one positive or friendly thing about the Tea Party or Tea Partiers. You have ranted and screamed and namecalled and branded them as stupid and terrorists, and you seriously think that’s persuasive?

    What the Tea Party has realized is that you are an unprincipled and malicious liar who does nothing but attack them while defending and supporting worse behavior from Barack Obama and your fellow liberals. Why should they care what you think? You’re an unwinnable moron who only wants to hurt them.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 6:12 pm - October 18, 2013

  8. The shutdown may actually be the final nail in the coffin for Virginia’s Cuccinelli and, unbelievably, professional huckster Terry McAullife may win because of it.

    We’ll see what happens there

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 6:01 pm – October 18, 2013

    If people are stupid enough to vote for McAuliffe, I don’t care what they think.

    McAuliffe is a liar and a criminal. The fact that you equivocate and spin and make excuses for him, Sonicfrog, shows that you’re really nothing more than an unprincipled bigot.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 6:15 pm - October 18, 2013

  9. Let’s challenge the Sonicwhore to actually make his argument for why people should vote for McAuliffe rather than Cuccinelli.

    Seriously. I want to see this. I want to see the Sonicwhore melt down as he lays out all of their positions side-by-side and twists himself into a pretzel to defend why people should vote for the statist crony-capitalism criminal McAuliffe.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 6:16 pm - October 18, 2013

  10. Meanwhile, Sonicfrog and littlewhoremike’s fellow “pragmatic, good governance” liberals are calling for the arrest and imprisonment of Republicans.

    As Instapundit brilliantly and laconically puts it: “Because these people are making plain how they think, and what they’d do if they had the power to. Take it seriously, because they do.”

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 6:46 pm - October 18, 2013

  11. LMAO.

    Why, Sonicfrog, do you think we would ever be stupid enough to believe that you would ally with us?

    You’re stupid because you don’t. Here’s what I wrote and did when the Tea Party first formed. Quote”

    I Just Joined The American Tea Party!. I left the sham of the Republican Party two years ago. Right now they are trying to reclaim the image of fiscal conservatives, but sorry, I judge you by how you act, not by what you say, especially now that you’re out of power. You had six years in power, holding the House and Presidency, and you showed that a chick with a dead brain is more important than the financial health of the country. and yes, it also means cutting defense spending. Democrats, you suck too!!!!! If you could find it in your hearts to streamline the system, get Government to run much more efficiently – that means firing administrators, getting rid of redundant programs, means testing for safety net benefits, and eliminating onerous federal regulations that the states and local governments could do better (education anyone) – you could have many of the social programs you want, for a fraction of the cost. But instead you force that odoriferous pork package you call the stimulus package down our throats, a bill you didn’t even bother to read, full of crap you haven’t been able to get in the last thirty years, now admit that it might not work, and tell us we may need to pass another 1.2 trillion dollar worth of debt. And what is the result? The Secretary of State is forced to BEG CHINA to keep buying our debt, as if they don’t own enough already! Pathetic!!!!

    I am sick of both major political parties. I don’t care about all the social / religious crap on either side of the isle. I just want a party or leaders that be fiscally responsible – Period!

    That was February 23, 2009. Here is the link if you want to check out the date.

    I’ve softened up on my opinion of the stimulus bill… A little. It didn’t, and never could, save the economy, but it did act as a buffer to prevent a worse slide. I stand by everything else to this day.

    I left the Tea Party when it became obvious that it was not going to be as much about fiscal conservatism as it was a perfect tool for a faction of the right who wanted to take a shortcut back to power after the losses due to the Bush years, without taking responsibility for their own mismanagement during the Bush years, when the Republican Party controlled the House, Senate,and the Presidency.

    Once again, I ask… Where are the calls to undue the various spending programs Bush and the Republican congress implemented during the 6 years they were firmly in control????

    Dept of Homeland Security? Nope.

    Onerous Patriot Act, which is costing us more than money, it’s costing us our individual privacy…. Nope.

    Medicare – D? Nope.

    NCLB???? If any of the Tea Party Presidential candidates ran on repealing that, I missed if. And I’m not talking about a soundbite either. I mean ran on that as part of the platform.

    Some of these you actually could have gotten done. But you didn’t, because you like big government when it fits your own agenda.

    But, I’m not going to bother responding further, because you guys are so focused on getting the attack in and WINNING, you never even try to listen to anyone with a differing opinion because that person is, in your eyes, an “adversary”.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 6:50 pm - October 18, 2013

  12. The fact that you equivocate and spin and make excuses for him, Sonicfrog, shows that you’re really nothing more than an unprincipled bigot.

    Really???? Me saying “The shutdown may actually be the final nail in the coffin for Virginia’s Cuccinelli and, unbelievably, professional huckster Terry McAullife may win because of it.” is equivocate and spin for McAullife???

    Really?????????????????????

    Another WINNING for NDT.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 6:56 pm - October 18, 2013

  13. [Jeff adds: You didn’t actually look the examples, did you? I figured you wouldn’t. In the second one, the Queen is captured by a pawn for “no strategic advantage in return”. Watch the video up to 2:45, stop it there (don’t go on) and try to say, in your own words, the supposed strategic advantage. Then continue and see who won.

    Yes I watched the vid. You’re example proves my point. If you keep watching the video, At 2:49 he explains the strategic reason why he sacrificed the Queen.

    And I’m already on record as saying this did help Cruz. But it was a disaster for the rest of the Republican party, and the Tea Party along with it.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 7:24 pm - October 18, 2013

  14. BTW… The “End Game”, for the shut-down strategy, as I see it, is getting more Tea Party candidates to challenge the moderates and “RINO’s”. But they could have done that without the shutdown. We already know who is more and who is less Conservative.

    Assuming many of the Tea Party candidates do eventually win the nominations, do you suppose the will have enough vote to win the general elections in areas where moderates dominate the voting block????

    See both Scozzofava and Leiberman for results of this strategy. You may win a few more seats. But you’ll probably end up giving more to the opposition.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 7:44 pm - October 18, 2013

  15. But, I’m not going to bother responding further,…

    But like a bad penny, you keep coming back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…and back…

    Comment by Jman1961 — October 18, 2013 @ 8:00 pm - October 18, 2013

  16. Because you guys can get anyone to ally with you

    And who have you gotten to ally with YOU, you coward?
    What ‘wins’ have you and yours racked up recently?

    Comment by Jman1961 — October 18, 2013 @ 8:06 pm - October 18, 2013

  17. Once again, I ask… Where are the calls to undue the various spending programs Bush and the Republican congress implemented during the 6 years they were firmly in control????

    Lmao.

    And as the desperate bigot liberal always does when cornered, he starts blaming Bush.

    The hilarity in this is that Sonicfrog himself demonizes as Nazis and terrorists and does all in his power to stop those people who are demanding a stop to Obama’s Bush-on-steroids spending.

    Again, what do we expect? The bigot screams about Cuccinelli, but absolutely melts down to explain why he supports and endorses McAuliffe.

    This is the reality, Sonic. You are an anti-Tea Party bigot who is desperately flailing and trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance required to criticize the Tea Partus fiscal conservativism while cheering for criminals like Terry McAuliffe and Barack Obama.

    Again, why would anyone believe a bigot like you has the Tea Party’s best interest in mind? Obama has proven that you’re a whore who can be purchased by anyone who panders to your anti-conservative, anti-Tea Party bigotry.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 8:41 pm - October 18, 2013

  18. Assuming many of the Tea Party candidates do eventually win the nominations, do you suppose the will have enough vote to win the general elections in areas where moderates dominate the voting block????

    See both Scozzofava and Leiberman for results of this strategy. You may win a few more seats. But you’ll probably end up giving more to the opposition.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 18, 2013 @ 7:44 pm – October 18, 2013

    Ah yes, the vaunted “moderates ” like Sonicfrog, who every three years go on and on about how they want “fiscal responsibility” and “civility”, and then in the fourth vote for the Obama Party member that promises them more free stuff and to punish the people they hate.

    And then, like Sonic, when caught with the government teat shoved in their mouth, start screaming and crying and blaming conservatives for being so mean and forcing them to it.

    Skip the crap, Sonic. You’re a looter, moocher, and taker. You don’t want “fiscal responsibility”; you want the IRS and the government to punish those mean and awful Tea Partiers and “rich” people who have more than you do. Your votes, your constant screaming and bashing the Tea Party, and your unwillingness to hold the leftists who hold your leash accountable for anything even as you berate the Tea Party show it clearly.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 8:51 pm - October 18, 2013

  19. But, I’m not going to bother responding further,…

    YIKES, how many times have I heard THAT from sf? ROFL 🙂

    But seriously…Everybody’s made their points, said what they needed to. Cool it from here please, especially with the names.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 18, 2013 @ 9:01 pm - October 18, 2013

  20. And to continue, people like Sonicfrog show why chasing “moderates” is futile; at the end of the day, they vote for whoever promises to turn government into their own personal free sh*t and vengeance vending machine.

    That is not a rational position. Indeed, it runs exactly contrary to the American principles of good government. But it is immediately gratifying, and in our increasingly- infantilized society, that’s what people want.

    Thus, conservatives need not bother with “moderates”. The only things to which they respond are ones we know society cannot sustain. Instead, we should stick to our fundamental tenets: you should earn what you have, you can keep what you earn, your degree of charitable giving is your choice, and that the best government is that which does the least required.

    That has no appeal to “moderates” like Sonic. And we need not care.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 18, 2013 @ 9:06 pm - October 18, 2013

  21. Well, the GOP sure has done just awesome with moderate candidates that appeal to morderate voters.

    John McCain (2008)
    Mitt Romney (2012)
    Scott Brown (2012)
    Nick Berg (2012)
    Connie Mack (2012)
    Tommy Thompson (2012)
    George Allen (2006, 2012)
    Denny Rehberg (2012)
    Rob McKenna (2012)
    Carly Fiorina (2010)

    Comment by V the K — October 18, 2013 @ 10:00 pm - October 18, 2013

  22. Definition of Irony: A Libertarian lecturing the Tea Party on how to win elections, form alliances, and not let ideology stand in the way of pragmatism.

    Comment by V the K — October 19, 2013 @ 11:12 am - October 19, 2013

  23. V… Why doesn’t the Libertarian party any win elections???

    Because they are too ideologically rigid and don’t make alliances.

    It’s not irony. It’s called a lifetime of watching them fail. It’s called a lesson learned.

    And yes Jman. I did respond. V brought up an interesting point that deserved a response. .

    Comment by Sonicfrog — October 19, 2013 @ 1:16 pm - October 19, 2013

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