In the Central American country of Belize, there is a political debate going on whether to repeal the country’s laws against Anal Sodomy. (a.k.a Buttsecks, for those of you in Rio Linda.) In 2013, the Supreme Court of Belize solicited a report from Dr. Brendan Bain … a renowned AIDS researcher and director of the Regional Coordinating Unit of the Caribbean HIV/AIDS Regional Training (CHART), an organization he helped create as part of his pioneering work studying HIV transmission. Dr. Bain, unfortunately, provided a scientifically accurate but politically incorrect report.
This report shows that the relative risk of contracting HIV is significantly higher among men who have sex with other men (MSM) in Belize than in the general population. This is also true in several other countries for which data are available, including countries that have repealed the law that criminalizes anal sex and countries where the law still applies.
Because of this report, some 35 “advocacy groups” banded together and demanded that Dr. Bain be sacked from CHART, because his report hurt the delicate feelers of gays and lesbians.
The university has been careful to note the hurt Professor Bain’s advocacy has done to gay and lesbian persons in the Caribbean….
And, of course, because feelings always trump science, Dr. Bain was sacked; another casualty in the Progressive Left’s War on Science.
Longer version of the story at Legal Insurrection, but I think I captured the gist of it.
Is to too much to hope that someday the victims of Liberalism and Progressivism will come to realize that Silence = Death?
If you believe in liberty and/or privacy, then criminalizing gay sex (among consenting adults) is just wrong; as much as criminalizing hetero sex would be. I oppose sodomy laws, period.
That said, I also oppose the “shoot the messenger” tactics of the Left. It appears that Dr. Bain was asked a scientific question by a court and he gave a scientifically valid answer. That should be all any honest person cares about, regarding him or his answer.
Let the queer-cultists sodomize themselves to extinction. Then the gays who really ARE “just like straight people,” i.e. responsible, monogamous, socially straight-laced gay men will be left.
Did they really need a report to find out this? I believe everyone knows this fact who has half a brain. And, shooting the messenger is just plain stupid. I stand with you on your second post in that anti-sodomy laws should be repealed. And, monogamous same-sex relationship should be encouraged by all societies. Now map out a plan on how to get there.
One could start by stigmatizing promiscuity.
Do they realize that some women enjoy anal sex and if their partner is a carrier of HIV, are just as likely to contract the virus, asses being pretty much the same? They do realize, of course, that HIV is more prevalent in the gay community because gay men tend to have sex with other gay men because they’re gay? I don’t see how anyone could begin to take offense with what Bain has stated. It’s the truth.
“The issue in question arose about two years ago in a high-profile case in Belize in which Caleb Orozco, a gay man in Belize, challenged the constitutionality of an 1861 law that criminalizes men having sex with men (MSM). Professor Brendan Bain provided a Statement on behalf of a group of churches seeking to retain the 1861 Law,” explained the University of the West Indies in a statement on Bain’s dismissal Tuesday.
The university argued, however, that criminalizing men having sex with men is not a position supported by most HIV and public health experts.
“The majority of HIV and public health experts believe that criminalizing men having sex with men and discriminating against them violates their human rights, puts them at even higher risk, reduces their access to services, forces the HIV epidemic underground thereby increasing the HIV risk,” noted the university.
“These are the positions advocated by the UN, UNAIDS, WHO, PAHO, the international human rights communities and PANCAP (The Pan Caribbean Partnership against AIDS) which is the organization leading the regional response to the HIV epidemic,” it added.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/top-medical-professor-brendan-bain-fired-for-testifying-that-men-sleeping-with-men-is-a-danger-to-public-health-protest-erupts-120147/
It is all because the Left is virulently racist and homophobic but hides it to use gays and blacks to bludgeon their opponents. Meanwhile the Left advocates behaviors among these groups that are the seeds of each groups destruction. Among the gays, the promotion of promiscuous, dangerous sex acts that promulgate HIV and STD’s and promoting extreme behavior that offends the majority of the population including many gays. Among blacks, a welfare system that destroys the family unit and spreads the meme that black men are worthless, and the genocide of the black race through targeted abortion.
BUTT BUSH…..
**Then the gays who really ARE “just like straight people,” i.e. responsible, monogamous, socially straight-laced gay men will be left.***
Sean L : you have distorted view of “straight” people. My son’s birth mother had 6 children by 6 different men(two of who were brothers). His birth father had 4 children by 4 different women. He has 8 half-siblings. All but two of his half-siblings have repeated the pattern. Spend a day reading the CL ads in your area. You seem to hold the gay population to a straight standard that really doesn’t exist.
I really don’t think the straight population 16-30 is any more or less sexually active than the gay population of the same age range. I will agree that as the straight population ages, sexual activity decreases more than the gay population. But neither group is ready for sainthood.
And which, when followed strictly in the United States, Europe, and Asia have led to this.
Leading us to the supreme irony:
And the ultimate hilarity: bigot gays like rusty want to ban large sodas and Happy Meals for public health reasons, but demand to be allowed to run up multibillion-dollar health care and disability bills at taxpayer expense because they’re too stupid and lazy to wear condoms or take responsibility for their actions.
“You seem to hold the gay population to a straight standard that really doesn’t exist.”
probably in your neighbourhood.
“I really don’t think the straight population 16-30 is any more or less sexually active than the gay population of the same age range. ”
you should not apply your small circle of acquaintances to the rest of the world. Sounds you are quite bigoted yourself against heterosexuals.
“5.Let the queer-cultists sodomize themselves to extinction.”
unfortunately with AIDS, not only you are assured to live longer than if you have cancer or ASL, but in most EU countries you receive money from the government (no government gives you money when you have cancer or Multiple sclerosis). I do not see AIDS ridden gays dying to extinction, they will have plenty of decades to infect others.
Susan…. My small circle of friends are mostly heterosexual conservative married couples.
You need to get out more. Look at the divorce rate. Look at the single mother rates. Look at the rates of STD’s among young heterosexuals. Look at the rates of half siblings, blended families. Look at the infidelity rates. Read CL ads in your area.
TnnsNe1: You are mistaken. Behavioral studies have shown that gay men have, on average, significantly more sex partners than straight men, more hookups with strangers, more risky behavior. Not to mention cruising in back rooms, bathhouses, etc, where strangers approach each other, have sex, and part within a minutes having never even learned each others names.
pst : Those studies are all based upon the subjects answers to questions. The results are based upon the honesty of the subject.
Still… Sean L’s perception of Ozzy and Harriet is a false one.
http://aeon.co/magazine/being-human/hiv-is-preventable-why-arent-infection-rates-falling/
Via NDT
HIV of the mind
HIV is preventable, yet it’s still with us. Is it time for all, gay and straight, to stop framing sex as a lethal weapon?
And so, in 2014, in the developed world, HIV infections continue unabated at crushing expense to society because of HIV of the mind. I do not mean to imply the existence of a scarlet H unique to gay male psychology. No, I mean the incredible complexity around being gay in 2014 – when HIV is treatable and preventable, but profound vulnerability to infection remains. I refer to the whole welter of confusing feelings and polarised messages that gay men still shoulder, often invisibly, and that the straight world still struggles with, too. Silence equals death. That was the brilliant mantra coined by the original AIDS activists, the ones who mobilised all of us to action. But there is still a penumbra of silence around gay life, even in the most ‘out’ gay man’s heart.
7 May 2014
TnnsNe1: Maybe, maybe. But then your reports are based on the honesty of your “subjects”. And your characterization of Sean L’s perceptions as “Ozzie and Harriet” is a false representation of what he wrote. Straw man and all that.
And note that there is virtually no heterosexual equivalent of the gay male backroom anonymous sex scene.
I see Rusty Cut-N-Paste is at it again.
Your shtick is becoming really tedious, Rusty old gal. Try coming up with something original (and better sourced) for a change.
Regards,
Peter H.
Nice try, but in 2014? Oh, please.
I forget who said, some years ago, that we’ve lived to see homosexuality go from being the love that dare not speak its name to being the love that won’t shut up.
I do hope that you are not saying that we should go back to the good old days of not speaking out? Many of the younger posters on this board don’t know what it truly used to be like. For some reason on this board we don’t discuss gay history in any depth.
“And note that there is virtually no heterosexual equivalent of the gay male backroom anonymous sex scene.”
Wrong.. very wrong… In several small towns in Maine there have been cases of homes being purchased to be used to host anon hetero sex parties. As well as a catering hall that would have birthday parties for the kids in the day and anon sex parties at night.
There anon sex hetero bars in every major city. I will agree that hetero bathroom sex is not as prevalent as homo bathroom sex but there is an obvious reason for that.
My point is : Sean L has made many comments over the last few months which seem to hold gay men to a standard of behavior that he thinks is the norm for hetero couples. The standard that he is holding gay people to is not as “normal” as he thinks it it.
Now, for those of you who may not know me, I am 53, have been partnered for 32 years. We are a monogamous couple. His parents have been married for 65 years. My parents were married for 59 years before my mom passed away.
Sean L “suffers” from the “super gay man syndrome”. My partner and I suffered from the “super gay dad syndrome” after we adopted our special needs sons. We held ourselves to much, much higher standard of parenting success than was humanly possible.
I liked susan’s comment where she called me a bigot. Wasn’t calling a messenger of true statement bigots the whole point of this article?
“Wrong.. very wrong…”
No, you are wrong, TnnsNe1. There is far less of this behavior among heterosexuals than among gay men.
“I will agree that hetero bathroom sex is not as prevalent as homo bathroom sex but there is an obvious reason for that.”
I wrote “backroom”, not “bathroom”, as in back rooms of gay bars, porno stores, porn theaters, semitrailer lots and alleys in Manhatten, etc. The behaviors are different.
Over Memorial Day weekend, Professor Lucifer Gorgonzola Butts tripped over a rake and dreamt up this “Green” metaphor about the relative costs of antiretroviral pills, condoms, and non-penetrative frottage as approaches to HIV prevention among Men who have Sex with Men…
And here’s another variant of the “Truvada = pumping factory-farm cows full of antibiotics” meme, but aimed more at straight taxpayers.
Enjoy, and spread the word — because 98% of “gay safe-sex educators” are deeply committed to the “Barebacking Needn’t Be Dangerous If You Throw Huge Amounts of Other People’s Money at It” meme.
“Nobody shoots the messenger! This is madness!”
“Madness? THIS IS LIBERALISM!!!!!”
And what has all the “speaking out” produced, Charles?
Oh, that’s right. Jack squat.
Probably because, Charles, “speaking out” consisted of bigots like rusty screaming at Christians, Republicans, Ronald Reagan, and anyone who dared suggest that gays ought to act in any way other than drug-addled promiscuous idiots.
In short, it had nothing to do with HIV, HIV prevention, or actually slowing the spread of HIV; it was all about using people who were sick to attack those who gay bigots like rusty didn’t like.
Now what we have ia a massive welfare sink of billions of dollars in medical costs and disability payments, plus a new generation of people who are going to be on expensive drugs for the rest of their life — plus entitled jerks like rusty sitting here screaming and throwing tantrums to force churches and Christian-owned businesses to do their bidding.
If that is what “speaking out” looks like, I’m a strong advocate of shut the hell up.
pst: I know you didn’t say “bathroom”. I just listed it as a place homo sex happens (supporting you position).
http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/your-brief-guide-to-nycs-underground-sex-parties/Content?oid=1529852
http://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2011/09/straight-men-welcome-to-the-world-of-anonymous-sex-how-will-you-handle-it/
http://chicago.secretcity.us/
Took me 30 seconds to find.
Oh, good Lord. The old “I am entitled to a deviant and irresponsible lifestyle because society won’t accept me-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e…”
SRSLY, Gay Culture needs to grow the hell up.
On an on-topic note, because I have no social skills, I used to ask HIV positive guys I met how they came to be HIV positive. With one exception, all of them related exactly the same story: They had unprotected sex with someone who claimed to be negative but was lying to them.
I’ve never been quite sure what to make of that datum. In any case, it’s not something I ask any more.
You are right. The Gay Movement needs to grow up ……… and stop being led by those who want the head of a scientist who tells the truth about major cause of HIV, gay anal sex.
And, if you are a person of good character you don’t lie. saying you don’t have HIV if you have it. I will also state that I am vehemently against promiscuity and support gays who enter committed relationships.
Thank you, Charles, for the support.
My harsh words stem from frustration with the portion of gay culture that insists on engaging in unsafe, life-threatening behavior and demanding that they be accepted for it.
My perception of heterosexuals may be skewed, I’ll admit. Yes, people my age tend to have lots and lots of sex. But when they are in relationships, they tend not to take kindly to infidelity. Unlike some gays, who see it as perfectly acceptable.
Sean L :
“But when they are in relationships, they tend not to take kindly to infidelity. Unlike some gays, who see it as perfectly acceptable.”
I think part of the skewed view is that a heterosexual male who has a girlfriend and has sex with other people will not brag about it in the office lunch room as much as a gay person would brag about it. The “polysex” (might not be the right term) has greater acceptance in the gay community.
TnnsNe1: Sorry, but the existence of straight promiscuity is not the same as it being as prevalent as gay male promiscuity.
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Susan…. My small circle of friends are mostly heterosexual conservative married couples.
You need to get out more. Look at the divorce rate. Look at the single mother rates. Look at the rates of STD’s among young heterosexuals. Look at the rates of half siblings, blended families. Look at the infidelity rates. Read CL ads in your area.
Comment by TnnsNe1 — May 27, 2014 @ 2:57 pm – May 27, 2014″
You seem to be confused about heterosexual and bisexual sexual behaviors. All of the groups that you have cited are bisexuals and homosexuals in heterosexual pairings.
Sean L.- you had better keep a tight leash on your boyfriends because they can cheat on you with only a few hours of freedom. They can go out to a gay bathhouse/gym, turn on grindr, or visit an ex. The only safe way is to make sure they are too tired to cheat or if you can date a size queen.
When I was in the military there was a str* couple caught having sex in a dumpster, I also had a str8 ex friend that would date girls and hookup on line. It might not have been grindr but still sleazy. I have had many gay friends that their boyfriends have cheated on them but you cant just come out and tell them because they will defend them and hate you for it. One guy said he cheated on his boyfriend because his boyfriend wouldn’t top him, and he lied to his BF all the time.
By saying things that are true are hate crimes leftists destroy any credibility they had.
Does he really? It seems to me that Sean L sets himself very high standards of behavior, but concurrently with that, he seems to have a good grasp of which rules are “bendable” and which ones should never ever be broken.
For example, “Nothing beyond Frenching/snogging until at least the 3rd date” is a pretty good rule to follow — it helps weed out guys who are only looking for a quick score — but if you’re going to break THAT rule, at least don’t be stupid enough to break the “No bareback anal EVER” rule.
As another example, sneakily watching pr0n behind your boyfriend’s back while he’s lying lonesome in bed wondering why you don’t want to have sex with him can be very bad for the health and stability of your relationship, but it’s not the same thing as sneaking off to have anonymous sex that could infect you and subsequently your partner with serious diseases.
Sean, I’m pretty sure, understands the difference between rules that protect you and your boyfriend from outright danger and rules that challenge you to be better-quality partners for each other.
I just assume that everyone has a STD and it’s time to wear a raincoat before you play with them. Follow that rule and you should be ok. Also, don’t be a whore.