GLENN: You guys lost your bakery. Tell me the story quickly in your own words of what happened.
AARON: Well, you know, marriage was defined by the State of Oregon’s Constitution as between a man and a woman up until I believe it was May of this year. Our belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. And the Bible coincides with that.
You know, we — we — you know, we had a small bakery. We did wedding cakes. Birthday cakes. All sorts of cakes.
In January 2013, we had a gal come in and asked us to basically create a piece of artwork for something the Bible clearly states is, you know, not the definition of marriage. So through all this, we’ve ended up losing our shop due to some really mean-spirited tactics that was used by — I wouldn’t say all the LGBT community. Because we met quite a few of them that are really nice, but there are some that really wanted us to close our doors. And through everything that’s been done. You know, they’ve harassed the wedding vendors that we did business with. They protested. Boycotted. In fact, there’s still an only boycott on Facebook going on. And I get it. They killed the wedding end of our business and we did have to close our doors last September. And, you know, I went to back to work driving trucks. So…
A business destroyed, a life’s work ruined… keep high-fiving each other, gay leftists.
1. No one forced them to close their doors.
2. It was the community’s choice to stop supporting them. #freemarket
All because the poor dears couldn’t separate their bigotry from their bakery.
Devoid of generosity or even empathy, that answer captures the hateful, ugly callousness of the Gay Left. To V’s point.
It’s all about revenge within the activist class these days.
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In regards to Evan’s comment above.
What would you call it if someone ran a boycott against a gay bakery, posted on facebook derogatory items, called up and harassed their vendors to make them not use them. Essentially did everything they could to make sure the gay bakery closed because they did not value their beliefs.
Then after all the self righteous harassment, the gay bakery had to close and the owners had to look for other work while still the harassers kept it up on face book.
Then when it was mentioned on a blog. Some one said No one forced them to close their doors. It was the community’s choice to stop supporting them. #free market.
All because the poor dears couldn’t separate their life style (sexual habits) from their bakery.
I am guessing Evan you would not think that was all woo hoo, dance, and congratulate the person for their sticking to the gay couple and rubbing their face in it.
I am not sure what the answer is because unless it is some over the top in your face thing that based on grounds of taste you would not except the work no matter if the couple was straight or gay, I think the bakery should make the cake and not make it an issue. However, harassment of someone for their beliefs just seems too much like a mirror image.
I can remember when it was said that “if only the public/govt would allow gay couples to marry it would not impact anyone but that it was just between the two people who loved each other and wanted to marry”. I have seen too many examples of gay couple deliberately targeting bakeries and wedding places where they know the owners are religious just to essentially take them down.
Oh I just noticed above I typed “except the work” for “accept the work” and left off a few plurals here and there.
I wish there was an edit button and a fully admit I did not use the preview button as I should have.
Bottom line is hating on people and trying to destroy their lives while preening and being self righteous is just wrong but it seems to be a favorite Prog pass time. The only other item Progs seem to like as well is telling others what to do and how to live while being hypocrites.
From his comment, Evan sounds like a really terrible person.
Great explanation of the situation in reverse, Summerwarmth. Somehow after that, though, I doubt Evan will return to defend his position.
Destroying people & showing the strength of a boycott, doesn’t right old wrongs, when the agenda is supposedly equality.
“So through all this, we’ve ended up losing our shop due to some really mean-spirited tactics that was used by — I wouldn’t say all the LGBT community. Because we met quite a few of them that are really nice”
how many of the nice people of the LGBT community stood up for this bakery? Exactly. None.
The ‘nice’ people of the gay community just sits and do nothing, they remind me of the mythological moderate muslims. More imaginary than real.
It is absolutely ludicrous to do that to someone, when the PROPER way to handle it is, simply not to patronize that business. Go to someone who WILL do that work, not harrass the one who won’t.
It’s that simple. Free market says they lose customers because the customers decide they don’t want to do business with them, not their suppliers, not some judge on a bench, not a bunch of immature a-holes on Facebook.
You don’t like their beliefs, fine. Don’t participate, and let your friends know why you aren’t. You can write *A* letter to their suppliers, you can post *A* rant on Facebook.
The problem is, there is a group of these people trolling social media ready to pounce on anyone who stands in their way, no matter how insignificant. They don’t care if internally, and privately, people hate their guts because if their tactics. Doesn’t matter to them. Doesn’t matter that people don’t really accept them, as long as they get out of their way.
They are bullies. Plain and simple.
Evan, thank you for outing yourself as a bigot, much appreciated when your type freely admits what kind of person they are — reprehensible trash with a very obvious double standard.
Well, common sense says it. If you are so obsessed with somebody that you want to end their livelihood with a widespread consumer boycott that even targets their suppliers: all that activity is your right, **as long as you rely on honest persuasion alone**. That’s the key qualifier. And even if you do…..don’t you have better things to do in the world? You should.
In this case (Aaron and Melissa Klein), we haven’t been told if they were subjected to harassment that violated -their- rights; whether legal harassment, slander, or torts or criminal violations on their property or persons. Based on the Gay Left’s previous track record, any observer should ask if they were.
It’s also worth noting the Kleins’ empathy for gays, their previous happy service to the lesbian couple (the Kleins apparently refused them just the one time), the lesbian couple having easy alternatives to the Kleins, etc. Finally, it’s worth asking why the lesbian couple (and others who participated in the campaign against the Kleins) didn’t have much better things to do with their time.
The callousness of Evan’s answer is in its not pausing to conceive of such questions. Apparently, in his thought process, peaceful service providers who approve of you only 80% (instead of 100%) deserve destruction.
In the beginning the gay community was all “We just want other people to tolerate us and to have equal treatment.” Tolerance was the focus word.
Then it moved from tolerance to demands for acceptance and celebration.
Now they’ve moved from demanding acceptance to ruining the lives of those who don’t choose to celebrate their gayness. They don’t just want to avoid doing business with a company they are opposed to, they are demanding everyone else shouldn’t either and even further they are harassing not only the business owners and their customers but the other businesses that do business with them.
Looks like in the midst of the gay rights movement the definition of tolerance was lost.
Remind me, was this the lesbian couple who admitted they had received many offers to bake their cake, and intentionally sought to do business with a Christian baker who opposes gay marriage to do a bit of agitprop theater?
Evan @ #1 makes three points:
Entirely correct. They made the choice to get the harpies off their backs. They made a business choice based on weighing harassment against the personal price involved in doing what they loved most.
Not the way I read it. The community did not boycott them. It was the harassment which did them in.They were being bullied by people whose goal was to destroy them. This is often a tactic in the free market when competitors target a competitor.
Here, I will read between the lines. Many small businesses fail for a large variety of reasons. Usually, the proprietors look at the emotional and monetary costs and decide, for instance, that going back to driving a truck makes more sense.
This is Evan’s fondest dream. I would bet that the husband is back driving trucks while the wife is at home baking cakes on special order without all the costs and burdens of a storefront.
Now, the Evans will have to go after the “bigots” in their home. The Evans could say that they have no right to refuse to bake cakes in the shape and realistic decorations in the shape of body parts or adorned with curse words. Suppose someone wanted them to bake a dead fish cake with the words “Shove this up your a$$” and deliver it to Evan. I bet they would refuse the order. Bigots.
I’m sure you must be right.
I’m sure that’s coming next.
“no one forced them to close their doors”
Actually everyone here seems to be forgetting that the 2 fat dykes won more money from the ruling than they could earn . Kinda hard to keep your “on the books” business doors open when you have heifers like that eating up all your green. At least stores can buy insurance for people that do the fake “slip/fall/sue” but not against biker dykes.
No doubt these kind of rulings will have more people following
http://www.amazon.com/Ragnars-Guide-The-Underground-Economy/dp/1581600119
Evan – disagreement is not always bigotry.
Given the leftist efforts to divide the nation into little factions, each with conflicting views, we will have to learn “live and let live” or face civil war and break up as a nation
A society where someone can be compelled to bake a cake is not free. Tyranny pure and simple.
Obvious question: should a gay-owned catering business be forced to produce the annual Westboro Baptist summer picnic and gay flag burning? If not, why not?
So people (or is it only gay people) should be compelled to spend money on companies that hate them because otherwise is bullying?
Why shouldn’t people be able to not shop at a business and instruct other that if they do business with said business they too will see a withdrawal of support?
What happened here was simple free markets. A group of people who didn’t like that these people hated gays stopped shopping at this bakery. Furthermore, they told other business that if they continue to do business with this bakery that they too will see a decline in business. These third party business made the economic decision that no longer doing business with the bakery was in their economic best interest and do so.
All rational, all economical, all in the spirt of the free market.
Suppose (in a world in which tea baggers have gotten their way) a business was making sausage with rats. A person found out, had proof and spread the word. Customers stopped going and third party business stopped doing business with it.
Would that be bullying?
The real reason you are upset about this is because a free market system led to an outcome you don’t like.
YOU HATE GAYS plain and simple.
You’ve never cared about the business destroyed and the life’s worked ruined when it involved a member of the LGBT community.
Now that gay people are less severely discriminated, and now that there are economic forces to punish homophobes instead of gay’s you scream and cry bulling and reject free market actions
as someone who works directly with small businessnesses which sell tangible goods, know how difficult it is out there. I don’t know the story, though. Was the bakery couple rude and nasty? We’re they straight forward and professional about their refusal? Were there other factors? Did the business already have one foot in the grave and this was the final nail? (Not that that changes anything really). Did some of the vendors catch wind of this and decide not to sell to them anymore? Etc.
But, as a gay man, if I had visited a business who refused to make my wedding cake, honestly, I would just move on and go somewhere else.
If people want to stick to their religious beliefs and ignorance, so be it. Gay intolerance is dissipating in power, I’m not sure of these kind of tactics are important to employ.anymore.
This economy is really tough and being in sales, I need all the help I can get. And I extend that empathy to others.
Cinesnatch, agree – although, in light of claims that the Kleins and the lesbian couple had previously done business, I doubt the Kleins were at all rude or nasty. And either way, the Gay Left should have found much more constructive things to do with its time.
“Suppose (in a world in which tea baggers have gotten their way) a business was making sausage with rats.”
lol, so you admit gay marriage = sausage with rats
Finally something we can all agree on, gay marriage is more than disgusting
Cramming your beliefs down someone’s throat is not the way to get acceptance. Period. It’s just PRETENDING that your lifestyle is accepted.
You can MAKE people do your bidding, gays, by law, as evidenced by this article.
But know that you are going to pay a price eventually. What that price is, I don’t know. But I am guessing it will be large. And I hope you choke on it.
When my husband and I got married this past year, we made sure all the vendors knew upfront that we were gay couple and asked if that was okay – and added that if it wasn’t we understood and could find another vendor. *shrugs* But that’s just us. I would prefer not to do business with someone who can’t see past their own personal beliefs and treat customers equally, despite the fact that where we lived at the time we could have also claimed discrimination under state law had we encountered it. Happily, everyone we worked with was glad to have us as customers.
Because, James Edward, during the so-called “civil rights” era, you and your fellow so-called “liberals” screamed that doing so was harassment of businesses and illegal when your fellow white liberal Democrats were doing it to black-owned businesses.
So, James Edward, were you lying then, or are you lying now?
Of course, we know the answer here. You’re a fascist totalitarian who has called for the murder of Republicans, Christians, and especially gay conservatives. Your screaming “hate” is merely the projection of the fact that you are a feral animal, incapable of living in a civilized society. Your cowardly refusal to deal with clear examples of your hypocrisy makes that obvious.
Three antigay groups have sent a joint letter to Republican leaders announcing their opposition to two gay Republican congressional candidates and a U.S. Senate candidate who supports marriage equality.
The National Organization for Marriage, Family Research Council, and CitizenLink (an affiliate of Focus on the Family) sent the letter late last week, denouncing Carl DeMaio and Richard Tisei, gay Republicans running for the U.S. House from California and Massachusetts, respectively, and Monica Wehby, a straight GOP Senate candidate from Oregon who has endorsed marriage rights for same-sex couples, Mother Jones reports.
Tisei, interviewed by Mother Jones, said he isn’t concerned about opposition from the right. “I think that the majority of people at this point look at organizations like that as going backwards rather than forwards,” he told the magazine. “I think [DeMaio] and myself represent the threat that we’re people who will be able to move the debate forward and help change the Republican Party. That scares a lot of those groups that are in existence primarily to hold people back. … I think most party leaders recognize that the majority of younger Republicans have a different opinion and eventually the party needs to move in the right direction.”
Meh, no different than when conservative media rallies up their listeners to boycott Sean Penn and Danny Glover movies because they’re Chavistas.
This is most definitely not “the free market at work.”
First of all, in a free market, vendors have the freedom to choose with whom they will conduct business.
Second, a campaign of bullying and harassment against people who don’t think the same way you do is not economics… it’s fascism.
That’s not how the free market works.
1) if you can’t find a gay baker or photographer — you are not looking
2) I have argued that gay folks should leave these whackos alone — and find the gay provider of any service
3) it is ludicrous that these bakers and photographers won’t serve gays — but have no problem being served by gays — and they must have been – for gay men are in too many service jobs to avoid us
4) there is nothing Christian about their moves — and then too — do they refuse to serve divorced? Jews? Muslims? Who else do they refuse to serve for their beliefs? Or are their beliefs so broad that it really only includes one group of people not to serve — gays.
I have never heard a peep out of any christian refusing to serve any other “sinner” of any kind – their deafening silence to all sins but “homosexuality” show how obsessed with gay folks they are … they don’t give a damn about “sin” or the “bible” – all sinners and bible-busters are welcome in their shop — or we would have heard of them before.. .
Jim, read the damn article. They had no problem selling to gays as customers, they just didn’t want to be involved in the wedding ceremony.
Selling to sinners is one thing, being asked to participate in the sin is quite another.
#29: Yeah, I remember how those boycotts ruined Penn’s and Glover’s small-businesses and livelihoods, don’t you? Oh, wait.
Analogy fail.
#31: Since when does Christian=anti-Jew/anti-Muslim? Can you point out the passages in the New Testament that highlights this heretofore unknown tenet? My bible doesn’t seem to have them.
Learn something about Christianity before you pop off.
Oh, so now Cut-N-Paste rusty is pretending to care about Carl Demaio and Richard Tisei?
Funny, Cut-N-Paste was nowhere to be found when he and his fellow Obama supporters were slandering and slurring them, as was pointed out on this very website where he trolls.
So tell us, Cut-N-Paste: What makes you any different than the groups you’re screaming at, since you and your fellow Obama supporters not only slander and slur gay Republicans?
In fact, since you not only slander and slur gay Republicans, but you also call for them to be killed, you are WORSE.
Do you have an answer for that, Cut-N-Paste? Let’s see you piety-dance — or, since you won’t, just once and for all prove that you’re a lying and malignant hypocrite.
Shorter Jim Hlavac: “Well, yes, I pretend to be principled, but since I hate Christians, I have to rationalize for the fact that LGBT bigots like myself harass and attack their businesses.”
We get it, Jim. You’re a bigot. You are nothing more than an anti-Christian bigot. You try to cover it up, you blather appropriately, but you’re a bigot.
And since you openly admit that you condone governmental discrimination against and harassment of Christians because of their beliefs, you make it clear that you don’t believe in the “nondiscrimination” laws you blather about OR the First Amendment. You just hate Christians, period.
People are finally catching on. Brendan Eich was a wake-up call, where people realized that bigots like you, Jim Hlavac, are incapable of living in a society where anyone disagrees with you. These cake-baking incidents, as well as Chick-Fil-A, have shown that you, Jim Hlavac, have no moral or ethical qualms about using the government to impose your bigotry and hatred of others.
You have lied to people for decades about “tolerance”, Jim Hlavac. People have now realized that that is a lie, that you are a bigot, that all of you “tolerance”-mongers are nothing but bigots, and that you will not stop until your bigotry is imposed on everyone else. And now, what they have also realized is that you are a coward as well, given that you and your fellow bigots are NOT attacking Muslim-owned businesses, or demanding that Hamas/Iran/ISIS respect “gay rights”, or anything of the sort — mainly because they riot and cut off heads.
The fact that Christians are not rioting and cutting off heads shames both you and the Muslim bigots before which you cower. But if you make it clear that Christians have two choices — riot and cut off heads or be crushed by your bigot government, Jim Hlavac, you will get the former.
I always wonder if people like Evan, James Edward, and Jim Hlavac are ignorant of history — or trying to re-enact it.
It wasn’t mentioned in this article but they are facing $150k in fines by that government agency who ‘found’ them guilty. That will more than bankrupt them and their five children.
I’ll link it tomorrow as I can’t on the device I’m on now.
Will also link the huffpo-gay page where the commenters call them anti-gay and gloat over the wife breaking down in tears.
Dear me. In choosing the centerpiece of the marriage ceremony, a Christian baker refused the honor of making the wedding cake. So, the gay activist couple interrupted their soaring rocket ride of bliss to sue the baker for discrimination and to give that old nemesis of principle a lesson or two.
After all, the drama of the trauma supersedes everything else when the principle of gay marriage meets the principle of one man and one woman. This is war. If you can not win in the public square, you must march the issue into the courts.
So, having won, what happens to the drama of the trauma? Don’t you still have post-baker-refusal stress syndrome? Don’t you still have your lives ruined because Frosty the Baker Man wouldn’t create your cake for you?
After all, he has been shut down and the passing crowd is about as affected by it as a humming bird fart. Isn’t that humiliating? Shouldn’t you two be taken to the state fair and given a blue ribbon for confronting and slaying a dragon which has kept the public square quaking and peeing their pants for endless years?
This has all the drama and meaning of a popsicle stick going over Niagara Falls. (And shouldn’t they call it Viagra Falls so that octogenarian honeymooners will feel better about themselves?)
Why, pray tell, doesn’t a competing baker post a huge sign saying: We make gay wedding cakes? Do you suppose that the market is so small that a gay bakery building an exclusively gay clientele just wouldn’t make it? Is it possible that gays themselves really don’t shiv a git? Do you suppose that tempests in a teapot are more self-destructive than they are at firing important shots across the cultural bow?
I recently wrote this elsewhere:
I am sure the outraged and offended and highly tolerant gay couple do not agree with Melissa.
If you can not win in the public square, you must march the issue into the courts.
Which are, of course, dominated by activist liberal judges with a bias in favor of society’s deviants and against individual liberty.
Found it.
Bakers face bankruptcy for their beliefs.
And the huffingtonpost link where so many of the comments are what you would expect from the intolerant.
Other than physically removing some heads, I see no difference between islamists and the gay lobby or the left. You must hide your beliefs and submit to us or we will destroy you. You are not allowed to practice your religion. You are only allowed to acknowledge and celebrate ours.
Thanks, Annie. From your link at #40:
Surfing to the latter link:
So there it is. V didn’t give all that info in his original post. But any bright, humane gay person (knowing the Gay Left) should have suspected it was possible, and been thoughtful in their remarks.
But that’s not how Evan rolls. Instead, he takes a case where -government force- was used to bankrupt a family with kids, via a $150,000 fine after they had already closed their store and suffered threats of violence… and he smirks “#freemarket”. Riiiiiiiiight.
Ditto to what heliotrope links up above.
Jim, evan, and others – Believing in the sacrament of marriage as it has always been recognized by the Church and humanity for the past thousands of years, is not being ‘anti-gay’ as the title in the huffpo link tries to inflame it’s readers.
Believing and supporting natural law to nurture the next generations in the way that is best for children and society – study after study has proven this – is not gay hatred. For the religious, it is a philosophy and way of life to live the best life, it is serious spiritual business.
Why you can’t respect that and/or agree to disagree and leave them alone, not to mention calling them and their religion – of which you know naught – names, tells us more about your intolerance and hate behind your dramatic foot stompings, than it says anything about them.
The only ones obsessed are gays like you Jim, using the courts and fascist bullying to destroy the livelihoods of others who dare publicly to support traditional marriage as it has always been. You can’t stand stand it. You must force them to submit. Christianity must be taken out of the public square. How dare they not celebrate our special snowflakey-ness!
But be very careful…in the most gay tolerant places like the Netherlands and Sweden, where crime used to be low to non-existent, violence against women and gays by unassimilated ‘immigrants’ (and their children), is being swept under the rug….in large numbers.
Ahh, the fragility of civilization. Poke it if you dare. You may not like the fall out.
Senator Rob Portman is being touted as a potential presidential candidate by Speaker John Boehner, and the Ohio Republican is making a campaign appearance in Iowa this week. But that isn’t stopping a major conservative organization from recruiting candidates to run against him in his 2016 Senate primary.
Brian Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, a prominent social conservative group, told The Daily Beast that his group would be working “day in and day out to have a candidate to defeat Portman.” Brown said that the group had identified “several folks who could potentially” win a Republican Senate primary against Portman in 2016 and was actively recruiting them to run.
Portman received national attention in 2013 when he emotionally came out in support of gay marriage. The Ohio senator’s decision was spurred by his son, Will, coming out as gay in 2011. His switch on the issue angered many on the right, particularly among groups like NOM, which is dedicated to fighting the legalization of gay marriage.
Brown has also been encouraging his fellow Republicans not to vote for three GOP candidates in competitive races in 2014 who all support gay marriage. His group is urging conservatives not to support two openly gay Republican candidates for Congress, Richard Tisei in Massachusetts and Carl DeMaio in California, and also Monica Wehby, the pro-marriage equality GOP senate nominee in Oregon.
Exactly, why is it fascism to tell a business you won’t do business with them if they support homophobes, but a Christian refusing to do business with a members of the LGBT community is “exercising their religious belief?”
And with his refusal to confront the behavior of his own party as noted above, Cut-N-Paste rusty proves himself to be a lying and malignant hypocrite.
Of course, Heliotrope called this months ago, but it’s nice to see it reinforced here again.
Because that’s not what you’re doing, Obergruppenfuhrer wannabe James Edward.
You instead are trying to use governmental power to punish people for their religious beliefs, just like your fascist forbears.
It’s just like how you scream “hate speech” while you and your Barack Obama call for the murder of all Republicans. You’re a childish hypocrite, a feral animal typical of how liberals behave and act, uneducated and incapable of functioning in anything but a Third World race-based tribal society.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/01/evangelicals-are-evolving-quickly-on-gay-marriage-and-thats-a-good-thing/
Called Evangelicals for Marriage Equality and founded by two straight evangelical Christians, Michael Saltsman and Josh Dickson, its launch included an essay in Time magazine by spokesman Brandan Robertson, another Bible-believing evangelical who graduated from the Moody Bible Institute. As Robertson wrote in the piece, he and his colleagues are not watering down their faith, as some has charged. They are, instead, “making a distinction between theology and politics,” reaffirming Jefferson’s wall of separation between church and state. “Our commitment to following Christ leads us to speak out for equal treatment under the law for others,” he writes, “whether or not they share our religious convictions.”
That is a message that all people of faith, as well as those who believe in limited government, should be able to support.
David Lampo is author of A Fundamental Freedom: Why Republicans, Conservatives, and Libertarians Should Support Gay Rights and serves on the national board of Log Cabin Republicans.
James Edward’s “logic” is hard-wired and can not absorb counter-factual information.
Marriage is not a civil right. People have the civil right to marry according to the law. Gays who have the civil right to marry can not compel anyone to celebrate their marriage.
Therefore, if the gay couple encounters folks who do not want to bless their union by baking a cake or catering a reception of turning over their B and B to the event, the gay couple is forced to go to court to make it happen. Or, the gay couple can find other providers.
This is not about the chances of going to court and winning a case. This is about the sanctity of marriage. If one encounters a provider who does not approve of the marriage and denies service as a result, what is the best avenue to take? In a sane world, it would be to head for the nearest service provider of equal quality who is more interested in the $$$ than the principle. That is how the free market works.
But for James Edward it seem to be a gay issue and his politics come first. He insists that one person’s principle is another person’s bigotry and that bigotry must be vanquished.
I can imagine that James Edward is a Chick-fil-A bigot, but I can’t imagine that he is thoughtfully trying to vanquish is bigotry. After all, Chick-fil-A never, ever refused service of any nature to a person because he is gay. The tenuous connection between Chick-fil-A and the gay “community” is because the late founder of the company opposed gay marriage. Clearly gays had every right to snub (boycott) Chick-fil-A, but in doing so, they made the company even stronger.
The lesson is that you may throw a snit and you can even get a court ruling in your favor. But you can’t make people respect you in the process.
I don’t respect James Edward because he seems incapable of understanding the complexity of human nature. He might try showing a little compassion and see if a bit of calm overtakes his dedication to demanding that people march to his tune.
Hey rusty Cut-N-Paste, can’t you deal with being called out on your own hypocrisy?
It’s really funny watching you try to blather and spin about gay Republicans and Christians when you’re on the record slandering them and calling for them to be murdered.
What none of you have been able to explain is why boycotting a business and boycotting business that do business with said original business is fascism. Why shouldn’t people not do business with a certain business and express that intent?
Most boycotts fail. This one didn’t and that’s what all of you are upset about. Sixteen years ago you could chain a gay man to a fence and beat him to death and do so with impunity. Now 16 years later people boycott a homophobic CEO, causing his departure and people boycotting a homophobic business and third party business, causing the homophobic business to go under and your screeching fascism.
Where was this morality when countless boycotts where started by Christian organizations against business that expressed pro-gay policies. The AFA boycott of 7-eleven eventually caused them to give in to the AFA’s demands. Why was that not fascism?
Oh and Heliotrope, your respect is the last thing I care about. YOU HATE GAY PEOPLE. You lot are upset because in a very, very, very brief amount of time public opinion on gay rights has shifted so very strongly. You can deny it all you want, but until just recently gay people suffered 10 times worst then what homophobes are now enduring. Gay people lost jobs, they were killed for being gay, denied housing, bullied and harassed. Not only did people Brendan Eich Aaron Klein stand by silently while it occurred they egged it on.
Even now when you lot are attempting to convince people you aren’t homophobes just have “different principles” regarding marriage, you can even fake condemn the murder of countless gay people by homophobes and the bulling of gay teens. If “preserving the sanctity of marriage” was you only endeavor why did the Christian right support bans on gay sex? Why not create an institution of civil marriages when DOMA was passed? Why support and oppose the repeal of DADT?
The answer is because YOU HATE GAY PEOPLE! This crying of fascism is only being done because you’re the marginalized ones now.
Ah the admitted Paedophille (by his own standards) James Edwards, supports threats of assault, rape, and murder of people who disagree with him.
Is anyone surprised?
Because the AFA did not go running to the government to shut down businesses with whom they disagreed.
You, on the other hand, want the government to ban from operating businesses whose owners you don’t like.
That is the difference. What the AFA did is capitalism and free markets; what you are doing is fascism. You are nothing more than a modern-day Nazi demanding the government pass laws to punish “Jewish stores”.
Which is funny, James Edward, because you support bullying and telling gay people whose beliefs you don’t agree with to commit suicide.
Which makes your attempt to scream about “gay teens” nothing more than child exploitation. But since you are an acknowledged paedophile, that shouldn’t surprise anyone. Indeed, how many gay teens have died by their own hands because people like you infected them with HIV?
Sorry that your mind is so clouded by bigotry, James Edward. You seem to paint with a broad “YOU HATE GAY PEOPLE” brush without so much as a hint of exception. That makes you a very difficult person to address with logic and reason and with which to seek common ground.
The “fascism” reference comes from gay people who run to the government in order to have the government dictatorially control the people through a regime of political correctness against which the people may not disagree.
If James Edward were motivated to live in peace and harmony with straight people, he would modify his lusts and “principles” in such a way as not to be abrasive and stand out militantly in the public square.
Brendan Eich made a $1,000 political contribution in 2008 supporting Prop 8. Even his apologies couldn’t keep OkCupid from urging its fans to boycott Firefox Web browser. So, in April of 2014 he was made to step down as Chief Executive at Mozilla as punishment for politically incorrect thinking and action he took six years prior.
Wow! Now that is how fascists want their day to go. So, James Edward, you need to form a whole paramilitary wing of the Gay Party to disrupt the opposition, boycott, intimidate and sue, sue, sue. Hitler took the color brown for his shirts, Mussolini used black, Franco used green, Caetano favored pale yellow, so what color shirts will your goons wear?
I pity the fool who has such a small percent of a small percentage to draw from, but, hey, David dropped Goliath —- right? But the plan of going after everyone who differs with your opinion is a heck of lot more grandiose and requires the cunning, ruthlessness and fanaticism of ISIS. Hey, maybe you could link up with them !!!!
Putz.
Just curious: what would be your response if someone held a personal religious belief that all Blacks are sinners and therefore shouldn’t serve any blacks in their establishment? How far can you go playing the religion card?
The problem with your hypothetical Kevin, is that it’s just that: hypothetical, and nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Try again.