A professor of religion at Skidmore (not Skidmark) College [Annual Tuition: $47,314*] opines that we shouldn’t be afraid of ISIS-flavored terror attacks in the United States. Nope, the voices tell her that the real threat comes from … devout followers of Jesus Christ.
Contrary to the popular opinion that radical Islam is the primary threat to homeland security, Christianity provides the other four groups with their extremist rationale. All are in one way or another affiliated with the Christian Identity movement, a hodgepodge of anarchist and white supremacist politics dedicated to white Christian activism. It’s all about God vs. government, and shoring up the rights of Anglo-Saxon Americans.
The mainstream news media have been remarkably slow when it comes to zeroing in on the pervasive reality of hate-based Christian extremism. It is easier, after all, to blame the un-American other. In 2012, six Sikhs were killed and three wounded in Milwaukee by Wade Michael Page, a neo-Nazi skinhead. The “dangerous other” isn’t always Muslim or Muslim-looking. The Millers affixed a swastika to the body of one of the two police officers they killed.
It probably has not occurred to this elite leftist academic that the reason the “mainstream news media” hasn’t covered Christian-based violent terrorism is because… there hasn’t been any. She can play-pretend that one deranged neo-Nazi skinhead is emblematic of Christianity, and perhaps, in her left-wing academic bubble it is. But seriously, when was the last time someone converted to Christianity and proceeded to shoot up the Canadian Paliament, ram a car into a Canadian soldier, saw the head off a co-worker/hostage/Brtiish soldier all the while screaming “Jesus Loves You!”? Never, that’s when.
* BTW, Business Week has rated Skidmore the 14th worst value in higher education.
Of course, Christian conservatives are more dangerous to American then are Islamic fundamentalists.
Lets start with some basic numbers. For the past 10 years, there have been 31 US deaths in the USA caused by or in the name of Islamic fundamentalism. This is compared to 96 gay people murdered in a hate crime in the same period. Gay people make up only 10% percent of the population yet are over three times more likely to be killed by a Christian fundamentalist, then the average America is to be killed by Islamic fundamentalist. Incidentally, in the past 10 years there have been 17 deaths from right wing terrorists in the US.
Secondly, there is no Islamic country that poses a threat to the US or it’s government. No Islamic country has a military that comes close to the US’s and with the exception of Pakistan no Islamic country has the nuclear bomb. Pakistan’s does not have the capacity to deliver the bomb to the US. However, while there are about 310 million privately owned guns in America only 24% of Americans own a gun. Only 10% of Americans own more then one gun. So most people have no guns, around 15% have 1 gun, and 10% have 8 or more guns in the household. Many of those people are conservatives who support over throwing the government like Cliven Bundy.
Thirdly, while blowhards like Sean Hannity condemn moderate Muslims for failing to criticize grounds like ISIS, Christian conservatives also fail to do so. Why haven’t Christian Conservatives condemned separatist’s movements? Cliven Bundy took arms against the US government and he’s a hero. Christian conservatives have failed to condemn violence against gay people. Where were Christian conservatives after the Oklahoma City bombing? Where were Christian conservatives after the Amtrak attack in 1995? Where were Chrisitan conservatives after the Olympic bombing? Where were Christian conservatives after the murder of George Tiller, Matthew Shepard, or the dozens of gay kids who were bullied to point in which they took their own life?
The simple fact is that Islamic Fundamentalism while a threat to America is far less of a threat then Christian conservatives. Groups like ISIS are thousands of miles away and lack the resources to commit a terrorist attack in the US. Meanwhile millions of people who applaud Russia’s anti-gay laws, dream of putting gay people under piss covered grass, and who applaud taking arms against the US government live in the US and have the resources to attempt to perform these actions. Those people are Christian conservatives.
If you lot truly, don’t want to be considered a threat to US security why then do you not condemn violence in the name of Christianity and/or conservatives?
James Edwards, you need to back your assertions up with verifiable facts. Otherwise they are just more Leftist/Marxist lies.
So, every murder of a gay person is a hate crime and the perpetrator is always a devout Christian. I did not know that.
The 96 figure does not include just gay people who were killed, but rather gay people who where killed because they were gay.
James Edward,
You need to rejigger your figgers:
For some reason you have exaggerated the gay percent of the population. It is under 3%.
But, hey, you can now make your confused point even more dramatic by refiguring the odds.
What site are you dialed into for these stats? Or do we all have to take comfort in your own research skills?
The terrorism figures come from CPOST and from John Mueller at OSU
The figures on hate crime come from CDC which collects data on all hate crimes.
[ed: Without actual cites for people to check/analyze/evaluate, James, they’re still just assertions that you’re pulling from God knows where.]
If ever a troll’s assertion begged to have its full context provided – including, but not limited to, its source being linked – that would be the one.
Only to people who play contorted word games. First, here’s something from Barack Obama:
It poses a threat to “the US and its government”. And…it’s Islamic. And it’s a State – meaning that it rules a certain geographical territory. In other words: A country. An Islamic country.
This is where the leftie must bring in the word games. She must argue that, even though ISIS/ISIL is plainly an Islamic state/country which threatens the US among others, it somehow isn’t. Chiefly, she will claim that it somehow isn’t Islamic (as Obama went on to do in his speech), or that it isn’t a state/country. It’s easier to make the second argument. Certainly, ISIS/ISIL is not yet a ***US-recognized*** country. For sure. But that doesn’t change the reality on the ground. In other words, whether we recognize it as a country yet, makes little difference to the people (whether in its territory or abroad) who die from its actions.
And never mind the country of Iran! (Or would the leftie argument there be that the Islamic Republic of Iran has never posed any threat to the US?)
I could answer more of James’ points, but I haven’t got all day. The thing about his comments is, they’re so dense with error after error after error that if you just answer a small part of his first few sentences, you’ve done more than enough.
So despite the fact that there have been 31 deaths from Islamic terrorism in the US for the past 10 years, somehow Islamic fundamentalism is a threat to America.
Please explain how IS could be a threat to the US. It can’t get nor produce WMDs, and the United States has been very effective at combating potential terrorism in the US. Evidence for the latter claim is supported by the fact that in the past ten years there have been only 31 deaths. Most of which have been shooting or stabbing by people who claimed to do so in the name of Allah, rather then well orchestrated attacks.
Moreover, do you refute the 96 hate crimes figure? In conservative math is 96 somehow less then 31? To make you all happy if gays only make up 3% of the population and there are 96 deaths from hate crimes how is it wrong to infer that Christian conservatives are greater threat to US gays then are Islamic fundamentalists.
Lastly, what are these errors? I look forward to hearing back from they guy who said China would have dumped our currency and we would be in the great depression 2.0 if we put sanctions on Russia.
James Edwards lives in the same strange delusional world as Professor Strange. If he thinks Muslims are peaceful and Christians are terrorist, perhaps he should make his way to an Islamic country and pursue his chosen lifestyle.
Without documentation we will have to assume the 96 deaths figure was pulled out of JE’s ass. Matt Shepard is also considered by the left to be the victim of a hate crime, when the reality is closer to drug-deal-gone-bad.
P.S. It’s worth noting that, if (note *IF*) ISIS/ISIL is indeed “not Islamic” as Obama and many other lefties love to assert…….then nobody who kills any gay person should ever be called Christian.
Thus, by the type of logic that lefties will employ themselves to excuse the crimes of Islam, there are ***absolutely no*** killings of any gays by any Christians, ever, anywhere.
I’m not saying I agree with that type of logic. I’m only pointing out lefties’ self-contradiction.
Are the murders committed by Ali Muhammad Brown considered jihadism or hate crimes? Knowing the Obama admin, probably neither. Although, by Mr. Edward’s logic, Ali Muhammed Brown is less of a threat to gay people than Kirk Cameron.
That’s one effed up worldview.
I’m sorry reading comprehension is a problem for conservatives but
1. The hate crime figure comes from the CDC
[ed: Without actual cites for people to check/analyze/evaluate, James, they’re still just assertions that you’re pulling from God knows where.]
2. Christian conservatives are a greater threat to America then is IS because IS is thousands of miles away and has limited resources to arrange an attack in US while there are millions of Christian Conservatives in the US, with guns, who support violence against gays and the overthrow of the US government.
See how that works? If a terribly evil group has a limited ability to attack it is less of a threat then another terribly evil group that is inside the state they want to attack.
The deaths in Seattle are counted in dataset as Islamic Terrorism
“So despite the fact that there have been 31 deaths from Islamic terrorism in the US for the past 10 years,”
Funny how Jimmy Edward conveniently uses 10 years as a cutoff…wasn’t there something kinda bad that happened a little over 13 years ago, perpetrated by Islamic fundies? I’m almost sure there is. Come on James…think hard, we all know you can think of it!
I say it’s convenient that he arbitrarily chooses 10 years as a cutoff, as the particular event he seems bound and determined to ignore would most certainly blast his little numbers out of the water. In fact, you might say that it would bring his meme crumbling down…
Links or it didn’t happen, Mr Edward.
Good catch AF Vet.
Thanks, V the K. It’s just another instance of a proggie framing the entire discussion unfairly and trying to get the other side to argue within his flawed terms of debate.
Lefties are slick that way.
Okay. We can go back to 1865.
There have been 33 terrorist attacks by Right wing groups, and 30 by Islamic groups.
Again given the fact that there are tens millions of Christian Conservatives in the United States and Islamic fundamentalists live thousands of miles away and have limited resources, It is still the case that Christian Conservatives are greater threat to Americans, and the US then are Islamic fundamentalists.
I’m so sorry you can’t google. No wonder conservatives are so angry and so willing to kill people.
Terrorism links
http://politicalscience.osu.edu/faculty/jmueller/since.html
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html
Hate Crime data
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-incidents-and-offenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#Federal_hate_crime_statistics
Mr Edwards, close to 3000 people lost their lives when Islamists from Al Qaeda crashed into the WTC… as well as crashed into the Pentagon, and crashed into a field in Pennsylvania.
You have not provided any proof regarding any “gays” being killed by what you term to be Christian fundamentalists.
You have not providing any proof for your assertions, and as for your claimed source, they have more than likely not provided any evidence for their assertions.
The fact is: there have not been reports relating to murders of gays that would in any way justify your figure of 96 deaths.
Based upon anecdotal evidence, there are gays who are killed because they are involved in drug dealing such as Matthew Shepherd, and there are gays who are killed because of crimes of passion by other gays. This is definitely the case here in Australia where there have been some sensational cases. In one instance though it was the gay who killed the elderly residents of a nursing home at Quaker’s Hill, NSW when he started a fire to cover his own crimes.
There is a saying “Lies, damn lies and statistics”. There is a reason for that saying because statistics are easily manipulated. White does not equal Christian. The person could be an atheist, or even a Jew or Buddhist. Unless you can provide absolute proof that there were 96 such deaths caused by Christians then you sir are nothing but a liar.
One more thing Mr Edward, being right wing does not mean being Christian…. funny thing about that because in fact being Right wing usually means being to the Right on the left of Centre and has nothing to do with conservative thought.
Nazis and Neo-Nazis are not Christians. For that matter neither are the Ku Klux Klan to be considered as Christian because they undermine the true Christian values.
You limit the crimes committed by Islamists based upon the fact that some of those incidents are not being classified correctly. I refer you to the attack at Fort Hood where 13 people died and many more were injured. I also refer you to the attacks around the same time on a pair of would be soldiers who were murdered outside of an army recruitment centre. Then there are the recent attacks on defenceless women, leaving at least one of them dead, at the hands of an Islamists… and there are many other attacks not being reported correctly.
On top of this there have been many other sporadic attacks involving in at least one incident a father and son who just happened to by Muslims. All Black Panther murders need to be seen by the same prism. On top of this you can add the murders in Los Angeles (I think that is the correct location) carried out by members of Nation of Islam upon Hispanics and others.
These are some that I remember hearing about from the top of my head. I am sure that other could supply plenty of other examples of where Islamists have been attacking and murdering white Americans (and others).
Meanwhile, it is also worth remembering the close to 200 who were murdered in Bali at Kutta Beach by Islamists. Then there were the three Christian girls who were beheaded, also in Indonesia.. By the way several of the ones murdered in Indonesia were Australian.. we took a big hit that day.
On a daily basis we hear about the numbers of Christians being murdered by ISIS in the Middle East.
Do you really believe that if ISIS were to manage to get their operatives into the USA that there would not be a massive attack? If you do, then you are a certifiable nut case.
Oh yes, and let us not forget the people who were injured and murdered by the Boston Marathon bombers. They are/were Chechen Islamists.
There is no data in those links to support the claim that 96 gays have been murdered by Christians. It’s just generic “hate crime” data… based on allegations, not convictions, with a very, very broad definition of hate crime and absolutely no information on the alleged perpetrators.
Such impressive numbers.
Now let’s cite some real ones.
But wait, there’s more.
So what we have here is bigot James Edward accusing Christians falsely of killing 96 gay people and using that as an excuse to arrest, jail, and strip Christians of all rights.
That is approximately 1.7% of the number of gays killed PER YEAR by James Edwards and his fellow liberal gays via promiscuous and irresponsible sex.
Moreover, when one looks at other statistics, there is a racist hate aspect to it, given that James Edwards and his fellow liberal racists have caused such damage to the black community:
So from what we see here, it’s obvious: James Edward and his fellow liberal gays are terrorists and murderers who kill thousands of people in the United States annually, a disproportionate amount of them racial minorities.
One more point on JE’s assertions:
Twice, he claimed the 96 figure came from the CDC. The Center For Disease Control does not compile statistics of crime rates. Even his links cite the FBI, not the CDC, and every they do not provide any information regarding the religion of the perpetrators. If JE wants to be taken seriously, he had better come up with better citations than that.
Right wing does not equal Christian.
Also not all hate crimes are committed by Christians (I would posit close to zero are-even if you see shepherd as a hate crime his killers weren’t motivated by Christian tenets).
Also then refers to time and than is a comparison- learn the difference.
Noted Paedophile James Edward is afraid of Christians, got it.
Twice, he claimed the 96 figure came from the CDC. The Center For Disease Control does not compile statistics of crime rates. Even his links cite the FBI, not the CDC, and every they do not provide any information regarding the religion of the perpetrators.
Like I said, his figures come from the same place he douches out before heading off the Man’s Country.
#1: James: assume that all these “hate crimes” are, indeed, gays killed by Bible-wielding Christians. Since Christians are a huge majority of the population, the ratio of killer-kristians is pretty small.
If we had a hundred-million or so Muslim, I suspect your numbers would be a lot different. Look at, oh, Amsterdam or Malmo. Not to mention Tehran or Damascus.
Oh, as to the subject at hand, this “professor” is full of crap. Just goes to show that being “smart” doesn’t preclude being an incandescent moron.
Good points by livewire and just me…. That is very true…. especially the point about hate crimes and Christians….
….. Of course many call themselves Christians but in the eyes of others who are Christian their actions do not indicate that this is the case… in particular I point to the Westboro cult because they are not Christian in their outlook.
Also, I should have guess that the CDC has more to do with disease control rather than alleged hate crimes.
For the record, many alleged hate crimes turn out to be nothing… and again I can cite the examples where crimes are supposed to be hate crimes but it turns out the accused were innocent…. Tawana Brawley springs to mind, and ditto for the Duke LaCrosse team.
In regard to the deaths of homosexuals, I can think of one incident where the young man committed suicide over his room-mate taking a video and then sending it across the internet without permission. Note well: it was suicide, and not a gay crime.
As the Muslim population grows it becomes more aggressive in asserting its “right” to Sharia Law and endlessly increasing deference from “infidels”. Incidents of violence and intimdation increase, and the targets are advised to duck their heads and appease their enemies.
Various European nations are seeing “no go” zones where non-Muslims are subject to intimidation and harassment, and even violence, while police dare enter only in groups.
Gay writer Bruce Bawer left the Netherlands because of the increasingly bold violence against gays by local Muslims.
A key distinction:
Jesus told his followers to go forth and preach to the whole world.
Mohammed told his followers to make war on the whole world.
Karl Marx told his followers to exterminate all “class enemies”.
The left adores Muslims because they loathe America just as the left detests our country. Why don’t these people just leave on a one way ticket to some paradise country of their choice? If they don’t, they are hypocrites.
James Edwards. Shall we bring up the approximately 100 million innocent people that Atheists killed in the 20th century? Or will that not fit your false narrative?
So essentially all of you have done is out of hat dismissal of the statistical data.
You can all be the conservative version of Rosie O’Donald, but it does change the fact that gay people are being targeted in the United States by Christians. What other group in America supports violence against gays?
You applaud the antics of ND30 and The_Livewire, who accuse gays of spreading HIV and of being child molesters. That perfectly demonstrates my point. Who is the greater threat to a member of the LGBT community, someone thousands of miles away or someone in the US who suggests gays are pedophiles?
Christians in Russia have successfully passed legislation allowing and prompting violence against gays. American Christian conservatives including members of this site have not only failed to condemn such legislation but applaud it. Again who is more of a threat to gays in America?
Moreover, you’ve conveniently glossed over the fact that millions of Christian Conservatives applaud a violent overthrow of the government. Once again who is a greater threat to security of this country people who live thousands of miles away, or the millions of heavily armed Christian Conservatives who not only have failed to condemn people who have taken up arms against the US government but support it.
Shorter Mr Edwards, “How dare you question my links that have nothing to do with statistics I previously asserted as facts?”
Speaking of factually unsupported assertions.
Millions of Christian Conservatives applaud a violent overthrow of the government.
I’m gonna need a citation for that.
You can claim that the statistics are unsupported all you want. FBI and CDC record hate crimes. You may not like those stats but there they are.
You again chose to ignore everything else in my reply.
Do or do not Christian Conservatives accuse gays of spreading AIDS?
Do or do not Christian Conservatives accuse gays of being pedophiles?
Do or do not Christian Conservatives support violence against gays?
Have Christian Conservatives condemned or supported Russia anti-gay laws?
Did Christian Conservatives condemn or applaud Cliven Bundy?
Members of the Tea Party and other Christian Conservative groups are significantly more likely to own guns, oppose any form of gun control, and advance taking up arms against the government, including candidates for the Senate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/iowas-joni-ernst-gun-will-defend-me-if-government-doesnt
You don’t seem to very much like the idea of being considered a greater threat to America and Americans then are Islamic Fundamentalists.
If you sincerely don’t support violence against gays, women, women reproductive health providers, or the government, please explain why you lot have not only failed to condemn violence against these groups and the government but on this very blog as well as blogs like hotair, Ace of Spades, Breitbart News advanced and supported violence against these groups and applaud those Christian conservative individuals and states who have perpetrated violence against these groups and the US government.
Mr. Edwards seems to think that Christians who own guns are a threat to this country.
Perhaps he forgets that Christians who own guns… founded this country.
And no matter how much you scream, Petunia, they don’t say what you think they do in that psychotic little brain of yours.
What demographic accounts for the greatest number of cases in this country?
…and if you can answer that one correctly, the next question is…
So when it spreads, who exactly is doing that?
Or will you tell us that it spreads through airborne transmission…you know, sneezing?
You’re saying there’s no such thing as a gay pedophile?
Lucky for us, we have you as proof that there is.
Next:
They do not.
Keep pickin’ that scab, Jane. It’ll heal better that way.
What do “anti-gay” laws in Russia have to do with Christians in the USA?
Think long and hard about that one.
On second thought, don’t. You’ll hurt yourself.
You’re fascinated with this one, aren’t you?
I think I know why.
You’re hung up on that ‘cowboy mystique’. Did you get excited watching Brokeback Mountain?
The left is obsessed with the Clive Bundy thing… even though the people who stood up with Bundy killed exactly 0 (zero people).
Now, what was the death toll at Waco when Bill Clinton and Janet Reno decided to burn those people alive? 84? Something like that. (And they consider that a progressive triumph.)
Jman1961, you think your witty. But you just continue to prove my point. Christian Conservatives have no problem casually claiming gay people are pedophiles. That’s all the evidence one needs to prove that Christian conservatives (CCs) are a greater threat to members of the LGBT community than are Islamic fundamentalists.
This combined with the failure of US CCs to opening condemn laws put in place by Russian CCs in Russia is proof that you lot would pass similar laws here in America. Again proving more proof you lot are more dangerous than IS to Americans.
Sure they are, because it shows that one determined man, along with a few hundred equally determined supporters, can make the Feds back down.
Imagine what millions of like minded people can do.
It threatens the dreams of Jane and her ilk that they might run a fascist empire in this country.
She’s pissing her Depends over all of those scary Christians with guns.
Maybe I am…maybe not. Who cares?
What I AM is someone who will wipe you and yours out if you don’t quit trying to force me and mine to worship at the alter of your pathetic fagdom.
Your army is no match for mine.
Remember that…
The point I have been making and the point Dr. Mary Strange made is that we are fully aware of your desire to “wipe you and yours out.”
You and your fellow CCs have the capacity to do so, Islamic fundamentalists do not.
The desire and ability to “wipe out” gay people makes you a greater threat then people who only have the desire to do so.
Your final statement “remember that” superfluous, I have been making it clear since the first post that I am aware of that which you want me to remember.
Seriously. Let’s break this down.
A religious studies professor makes the observation that US CCs are more of a threat than Islamic Fundamentalists (Ifs)
VtheK claims this is “The Deranged, Delusional Paranoia of the Left”
I claim its not delusional.
Arguing for several entries
Now your saying we should be afraid of CCs overthrowing the government and that CCs want to wipe out gay people.
So how exactly are we “Deranged, Delusional and Paranoid?”
James Edwards. I have looked through the links you posted in which you said were the statistics you cited. They were not there as you have said they would be. Therefore you are not telling the truth, otherwise known as lying.
And for your information, homosexual males are the predominant spreader of the HIV virus in the United States. Also, homosexual males are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the roughly 3 percent of the population that is males sexually attracted to males are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
Why not? The CDC does.
Plus, James Edward, you have failed to condemn gay men who spread HIV, so you support and endorse spreading HIV and killing gay people.
Yep — because as you have already admitted, you are one, and you consider this behavior normal for gays.
So James Edward, since you have never condemned the gay and lesbian community for supporting people who endorse and practice raping and sexually molesting toddlers and using racial slurs against them, you clearly support it.
After all, that’s what you claim.
The only thing that was “broken down” was YOU, waaaay before you ever got here.
To clarify: I don’t want to wipe out gays. I want to wipe out leftist/fascist/minor league totalitarians like YOU.
But due to the fact that you see all of creation through the warped lens of your tawdry and tiresome gayness, and all of the so called “rights” you invent for yourself, you can’t possibly read it that way.
There are plenty of gay people who comment here with some frequency, and I fully support them, NOT because of their homosexuality, but because I am in concert with their basic beliefs and principles, those being conservative, and respectful of MY rights, as I am of theirs. The same holds true for the number of straight conservatives who visit this site.
I couldn’t care less about people’s sexuality. That’s YOUR obsession, you ignorant ufck.
Where government overthrow is concerned, you and your tribe have been doing it in piecemeal fashion for the last 100 years or so, and now a growing number of us “CCs” (as you refer to us) are saying “No more, you assholes!”.
Too bad I have to point out to you that this country was founded as a result of “overthrowing a government”. It’s what we call “unshackling ourselves from tyranny”.
We don’t, and we WON’T, live under yours, Jane.
So while there’s time left, do yourself a favor and learn some history (which you know NOTHING about).
That way, if you still choose to march merrily onto the battlefield, when the clubs start crashing against your insipid little skull, you’ll know who’s swinging them…and why.
Or, you could learn to back off, adopt a ‘live and let live’ approach, and MAYBE have some chance of living a minimally productive life.
But you’re probably too stupid to do something that smart.
Seriously.
Okay. So. The original point was that CCs are a greater threat than IFs.
VtheK said that was delusional.
I said it wasn’t
45 posts later we have two CC claiming gays are child molesters and are spreaders of HIV and now Jman1961 you say that gay people who want equal rights under the law should fear “clubs start crashing against your insipid little skull” and that it will be CCs swinging them. You also claim that CC’s may very well overthrow the government justifying it as “unshackling ourselves from tyranny.”
IFs want to do the same thing and use the same justification. However, CCs have the capacity to do so. Which you freely admit and boast about.
So you want us to be afraid that you will “start crashing [clubs] against [our] insipid little skull(s)” but that we’re also “deranged delusional and paranoid” for fearing that?
I am fully aware that you think the government is tyrannical and support overthrowing it, I’m fully aware you want to bash in my skull. That’s the very point I have been making since the beginning. AGIAN, you have the desire and capacity to do so, which you boast about and I am fully aware of. IFs do not have the capacity to do so. That means for non-CCs, CCs are a greater threat then IFs.
Seriously this a summary of this whole blog post.
VtheK: Some crazy leftist thinks CCs are a greater threat than IFs. She’s crazy delusional and paranoid.
Me: Ummm… no she not. CCs support violence against gays and want to overthrow the government and they can. Unlike Ifs
Posts 2-45 arguing.
Jman1961 CCs are going to overthrow the government and bash in the skulls of gay people. They can do it too. FEAR US!!!!
Me. Ummmm. Yes, I know we should fear you that’s been my whole point all along. I don’t fear ISIS I fear CCs. By your own admission we should fear CCs. How exactly does that make us Deranged, Delusional and Paranoid?
Jane, seek out the nearest ‘IF’ and make a pass at him.
We’ll be looking for the video of him sawing your stupid ufcking head off after he anally rapes you.
Ok?
And Jane posts this right after I explain that it has nothing to do with gay people.
I’d have an easier time explaining it to a lamp post.
You know, Jane, if the abuse we heap on you has you down, just remember that you INVITE it, and it would be rude of us to turn you down.
Cool.
Okay. Yes. I get it you want to see me violently killed.
You and your fellow CC’s have the capability to do so. So to the point of this blog post, how am we (liberals particularly gay liberals) delusional and paranoid for fearing you more then people who live 8 thousand miles away?
So to the point of this blog post, how am we
You feelin’ OK, Jane?
I’m feeling great!
My point that it’s completely justifiable to fear CCs more then IFs has been supported by a CC. Wish you had come on this site earlier to make my point for me.
VtheK Will the title of this blog post be changed from “Deranged, Delusional Paranoid of the Left” to something along the lines of “Leftist professor accurately points out we’re a greater threat then Islamic Fundamentalists?”
Not really.
I’d settle for having you placed in four-point restraints, gagged and sedated for a while.
Anything to shut you up would be a significant improvement.
Is that better?
The funny part of all of this is that James Edward and his fellow liberal bigots have called for the murder of all conservatives and, in particular, of gay conservatives.
So since calls for death equal terrorism, why should James Edward and his fellow leftist bigots, all of whom refuse to denounce calling for the murder of conservatives, be treated as anything other than violent terrorists who want to kill all Christians and conservatives?
One has to remember, Jman, that James Edward and the LGBT community endorse and have actually carried out violent terrorist attacks against Christians and conservatives.
Not to mention how James Edward and his fellow Obama liberals endorsed and supported Obama’s mentor Bill Ayers and his terrorist actions, including the attempted murder of children, all because they endorse and support killing political opponents.
Since James Edward has never condemned both of those, he is a murderer and terrorist.
NDT has it right.
Since James Edward is perfectly willing to lump all of people into one group and assume that the farthest fringe that is disowned by them speaks for them…
he’s admitting that Nambla and gay Icons Harry Hay and Gerry Studds represent paedophiles like him.
He just doesn’t like it when he’s treated like he treats others.
Oh, and the links still show he’s lying.
If Christian Conservatives really have the desire and capability to exterminate gay folk, why has it not happened?
Because Christians really don’t want to, that’s why. A Christian might advocated “praying away the gay,” but no Christian church anywhere advocates or tolerates violence against gays.
Compare and contrast with Islam.
And while Mr. Edward was ranting his anti-Christian paranoia, a Mohammedan in NYC attacked a cop with an ax.
That’s the difference between the real world and Mr. Edward’s paranoid delusions.
Unfortunately, Mr. Edwards, and a lot of leftists, believe that stating facts is tantamount to “hate speech”. Hence, the assertion, by the CDC itself no less, that gay and bisexual men make up the vast majority of new AIDS cases, is to be silenced, as truthful as it may be, as it paints gay men in a less then saintly light. The only reason for mentioning the CDC’s true fact about the transmission of AIDS, must be “hate”, as the lame stream media won’t shout this statistic from the rooftops, as it presumably would if AIDS was spread by any OTHER method primarily.
Tom Guerra’s penis has killed more gay men than Christian Conservatives.
To make sure I haven’t been unfair, I was going to give James’ comments another try. But his comments are unreadable due to being so heavily packed with wrong (and context-free) assertions. Just in re-scanning his #1, my brain supplies the word “retarded” over and over. Examples:
Retarded.
Retarded. (I’d believe 4-5%, with some additional number of basically-straight people doing occasional or “situational” homosexuality.)
Retarded. (Until and unless proven by accurate cites and as well, a responsible and fair definition of so-called “right wing” terrorist.)
Retarded.
Retarded. (Gun ownership rates relate to….what? Are evidence of….what? Not of any threat.)
Retarded. (Christian “groups” in the U.S. and elsewhere have issued centuries of blanket condemnations against violence. It’s an explicit doctrine of the religion, so no, they don’t need to condemn each individual instance. The same cannot be said of Islam, since Islam does have *violence* (to spread Islamic rule or supremacy) as an explicit doctrine of the religion.)
Retarded. (While Bundy & supporters were prepared to defend themselves if attacked, nobody “took arms” in the sense of actual fighting. Bundy has used the legal system for protest and other means which the Left normally calls civil disobedience. And even then, no small number of conservatives have condemned him.)
Retarded. (See above, or any number of comments/posts explaining the matter from V the K.)
Retarded. (Because yes, they condemned it.)
And so on… A final one:
Retarded. (We most certainly do condemn it…on the RARE occasions where unjust violence “in the name of Christianity and/or conservatives” might exist.)
I would go with deranged and delusional rather than retarded; mentally challenged people tend to be harmless and likable; unlike Mr. Edwards.
Good point. Although, just to be clear, I was applying the word to the assertions (not the person).
I think the fact that Mr. Edwards is more afraid of Kirk Cameron than Ali Muhammed Brown tells us everything we need to know about his judgment.
I was always afraid of Cameron’s haircut. I’d see it sometimes, in my nightmares. (kidding)
LOL James Edwards 31 deaths don’t include the Jersey Jihadist, the black muslim that used Grinder to kill gays, the DC snipers or the 3 male beheaded neighbors of the Boston Marathon brothers, no point in looking for more. Its not str8 white churchgoing men that commit the majority of bashings, JE was probably one of those SF queens that cried out racism when the San Fran Gate published who does commit the most.
To the main point.
June 8th 2014
Anti-Government shooters kill 5 people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings#Jerad_Miller
April 13th 2014
Neo-Nazis shoot and kill 3 Jewish retirees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_Park_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting
August 5th 2014
White supremacists kill 7 people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting
June 10th 2009
White supremacists kills guard at Holocaust Museum 1 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Holocaust_Memorial_Museum_shooting
May 31st 2009 Christian Conservative murders abortion doctors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller
5+3+7+1+1=17
Where were Christian conservatives condemning these acts of violence?
Second main point
Cliven Bundy and supports fancied the self a militia, took up arms against Federal Law enforcement. That is taking up arms against the government.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-cliven-bundy-congressman-20140507-story.html
To the other points
You demanded links I demand links demonstrating widespread condemnation of these acts of violence.
I’m also not buying the whole Christianity is a religion of peace, unlike Islam
The crusades, the Spanish inquisition, Salem Witch trail, the genocide of Indigenous peoples in the Americas, 30 years war, and several other examples are evidence that Christians use violence it is hardly the case that “the condemnation against violence is explicit doctrine of the religion.”
With regards to gun ownership, most people do not own a gun. Around 10% of Americans own one gun. This means that 15% of the population owns not only more then one gun but more then 8 on average. Most of those people live in the South or the rural areas of the Midwest and are Christian Conservatives. This figure merely points out have the capacity to commit violence against the State.
Please provide evidence that an Islamic country other then Pakistan has a nuclear weapon. Please provide evidence that an Islamic country has the ability to deliver that weapon, or has the ability to invade the US, or has the ability intervene with our interests as well as defining how and what that interest might be.
Please provide evidence that Christian Conservatives and/or anti-government condemned the Oklahoma City bombing.
Please provide evidence that Christian Conservatives have condemned the murder of Mathew Shepard. (You can’t your side continues to claim it was a drug deal gone wrong)
Please provide evidence that Christian Conservatives have condemned the bullying of gay teens which in some cases lead to them committing suicide.
Decreasing the percentage of gays in America only further demonstrates my initial point. In the past ten years IFs have killed 31 people. I’ll make you lot happy if gays only make up 1% of the population and there have been 96 hate crimes committed against gays, it means that gay people are far more likely to suffer from a hate crime then the average population is to suffer from a terrorist attack.
Lastly, my original point was Liberals are NOT deranged delusional and paranoid for fearing Christian Conservatives more then Islamic Fundamentalists. Jman1961 on this very site made it clear that unless things went his way we liberals and government should fear a violent overthrow of the government and that gays should fear “clubs crashing against your our insipid little skulls.” While Jman1961 may not like that I am agreeing with him. I completely agree with him that non Christian Conservatives should fear Christian Conservatives. How does that make one deranged delusional and paranoid?
James – You link Jerad Miller. What, pray tell, has he got to do with conservatives or Christians? Please provide evidence that any recognized conservative Christian leader or group either told the cop-killing Jerad Miller to go on a rampage, or applauded it. Or that Cliven Bundy did, for that matter. (Big hint for you: Bundy actively rejected Miller.)
Same with what you linked for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc. What has any of that got to do with either Christians or conservatives? Are you so ignorant of history, James Edward, that you fail to understand that Christianity itself was founded by Middle Easterners, very likely non-whites? And that Nazism tried to bring back German paganism, and killed/imprisoned many Christians and conservatives who opposed the Nazis?
Or do you fail to understand that Nazism was/is a movement of the political Left? The very word “Nazi”, JE, is short for: National SOCIALIST German WORKERS’ Party. Contemporary documents from the 1930s show that, before Hitler turned on the Soviet Union, the Nazis were well-respected by the American political Left. Joseph P. Kennedy – yeah, the father of those Kennedys – was a strong supporter of Neville Chamberlain’s Nazi-appeasing policy. (“Democracy is finished in England. It may be here,” he stated in the Boston Sunday Globe of November 10, 1940 — Wiki.)
Change the italicized portion to unless there is a sharp turn away from the encroaching tyranny and fascism (that J. Edward Nitwit and his leftist pals are working hard to bring about) and a return to constitutionally limited government, then…
I won’t come looking for you, J. Eddie Flamethrower, and neither will any other Christian or conservative.
But your buddies from the “religion of peace” sure will, cause they don’t like you and yours.
Maybe they’ll bury you in the ground up to your neck, and then stone you to death, or…
Maybe they’ll drop a concrete wall on you and crush you to death, or…
Maybe they’ll hang you from a sturdy length of rope, or…
Maybe they’ll go with their favorite method, and take a sharp fillet knife and hack your head off and display it like some kind of trophy.
And you can stop that empty headed twaddle about their being “8,000 miles away”.
They’re here in this country right now, you dipsh*t.
Lots of ’em.
And do you want to know something else, you dumb ufck?
I’d kill any of THEM if I was around when they were trying to do YOU in, and I don’t particularly like you.
Other than that, if you’d like to live in peace with Christian Conservatives, then learn, quickly, to leave us alone.
You’ve got your equal rights, and you’ve got your “gay marriage”, now STFU and go away.
The people involved in the Jerad Miller shootings were members of the Occupy Movement, not Conservative Christians.
Big, Big, Massive FAIL.
It’s almost funny how none of the examples Mr. Edwards cites of Conservative Christians committing terrorism… um… actually consist of Conservative Christians committing terrorism.
Much less can he point to any Christian Church that advocates violence as a means to pursue an end.
And yet, he and Professor Strange would be the first people to mewl that its unfair to judge Mohammedans by the terrorist actions… almost daily… committed by Mohammedans.
I am sure it comes as great comfort to the families of Nathan Cirillo and Kenneth Healey to know they were “eight thousand miles away” from any dangerous Mohammedans.
James Edward shrieks this:
Right here, liar child.
And did you really try to invoke suicide, child, when you and your fellow bigot gays tell gay teens who vote conservative to kill themselves?
Tell us, James Edward, how you possibly can scream about Matthew Shepard when you yourself have called for the murder of gay conservatives.
This is what makes you funny. You are projecting. Everything you accuse Christians of doing you yourself do and endorse. You slander and lie about good people because you are nothing but a feral animal, a typical Obama voter with no sense of right and wrong, incapable of living in a civilized and diverse society.
Why should you not be discriminated against, James Edward? You refuse to condemn calling for gay people to kill themselves. You refuse to condemn the attempted murder of Christians. You support and endorse Obama’s personal representative Dan Savage calling for the murder of all Republicans. You are not fit to be employed or to receive any type of consideration.
Oh come now, JE. Even that famous gay-liberal rag, The Advocate, has conceded that Shepard and Aaron McKinney were sex-buddies with a complex history. You would still deny it?
Exactly.
But part of what makes lefties so deranged/delusional is their echo chamber, in which they repeat their nonsensical claims to one another. Their fixation with Timothy McVeigh / Oklahoma City bombing is a great example. He was no conservative or evangelical Christian. Raised as a Roman Catholic, his adult choice was to be an agnostic. “In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.”
Lefties have told each other the opposite for years now, so that it has become, well, an article of their faith. They resent efforts to confuse them with facts n stuff. It will be extra confusing for them if it ever turns out that McVeigh got any help from Islamic or Middle Eastern terrorists (apart from his personal agnosticism).
Of course, Troll Edwards glosses over the tens of millions killed by the Leftist/Communist governments during the 20th century. After all, they are his kind of government. And if “Mr.” Edwards thinks that Islam is not a problem to American gheys, I invite him to go to Dearborn, Michigan and hold a gay wedding at one of the many mosques there.
Personally, I was relieved to learn that Matthew Shepard wasn’t killed in a gay-bashing from a homophobic stranger. I mean, it’s still terrible that Shepard died. Murder is murder, an awful thing. But I was relieved to know that real life in America isn’t normally *that* threatening for the ordinary gays, the ones who don’t have sex-buddies who are on 5-day methamphetamine binges.
Some people, it seems, are more attached to their Victim status and prefer the state of believing that a random homophobic stranger really might kill them at any second. I guess that such a belief system makes them feel more important or meaningful, or something.
Well, ILC, when you look at James Edward’s ravings, it should be pretty obvious that he really doesn’t have anything else other than his victim status to make him feel meaningful or important.
James Edward is a failure. Like the vast majority of failures, he looks for a scapegoat, and he finds it in Christians, all of whom are more moral and intelligent than he is. What he’s doing is ankle-biting now, acting out of rage and spite and jealousy against those who are clearly his betters.
Hey everyone…you want to see me make poor little James’ head go “pop!”?
Watch this:
I am a straight, white, middle-aged, Conservative Christian.
“Do or do not Christian Conservatives accuse gays of spreading AIDS?”
I do not.
“Do or do not Christian Conservatives accuse gays of being pedophiles?”
I do not.
“Do or do not Christian Conservatives support violence against gays?”
I most certainly do not.
“Have Christian Conservatives condemned or supported Russia anti-gay laws?”
Allow me to retort in kind: “Do you condemn or support Instant Replay in Major League baseball?” See what I did there?
“Did Christian Conservatives condemn or applaud Cliven Bundy?”
I was unaware of the ‘danger’ posed by Mr. Bundy. Can you tell me how many casualties/deaths were involved?
POP!!!
James…I would strongly suggest you try to save what face you have left and slink away from this thread, but it is very apparent that you’re too proud to admit you have no idea what you’re talking about and are not smart enough to research sources that actually support the points you’re so feebly trying to make. (That should be a big hint right there…data doesn’t exist to support your bigotry and ignorance.)
I’d also say that you’re being made to look a fool by the other posters here, but I’m afraid you’ve played a bigger part in that than anyone else on this board has done.
I feel sorry for you.
Whew! It has been interesting to watch the worm squirm.
James Edward violates simple logic when he posts this tripe @ #36:
In each “question” James Edward casts the Christian Conservatives as a monolithic block of identical minded people.
Would, perchance, James Edward be comfortable casting gays as a monolithic block of identical minded people?
James Edward is intellectually guilty of finding a case or two and then pinning it all members of the group he flamboyantly labels.
So, I will call the hand of James Edward and posit these questions in his own style of logic:
•Do or do not gays accuse Christian Conservatives of causing the spread of AIDS?
•Do or do not gays accuse Christian Conservatives of being homophobes?
•Do or do not gays accuse Christian Conservatives of supporting violence against gays?
•Do or do not gays accuse Christian Conservatives of being pedophiles?
•Do or do not gays agree with James Edward?
•Can or can not gays “coexist” with Christian Conservatives?
James Edward is too suffused in his own irrational, obsessive fear of collective hostility at the hands of faceless, nameless “Christian Conservatives” that he would be a prime candidate for overseeing a concentration camp full of his societal enemies.
He proclaims, in essence, that ALL Christian Conservatives believe that ALL gays are pedophiles; ALL Christian Conservatives believe that ALL gays spread AIDS; ALL Christian Conservatives support violence against gays; ALL Christian Conservatives supported Russian Anti-gay laws; ALL Christian Conservatives applauded Cliven Bundy.
Once James Edwards is called on this, he can modify his intemperance by changing ALL to most or some or a few …… but his conclusion then becomes a premise and he will not be able to arrive at his predetermined conclusion by any means known to logic.
His statistics are just window dressing in the blown out windows of his cranial attic. His cobwebbed “argument” is all rant and no foundation. He has a made-up mind and no infusion of facts and logic will bring order to his overweening presumptions.
Arguing with the mindset of a James Edward is akin to fishing for Marlin in your toilet bowl.
FYI, I have corrected my comment re: Bundy at #62. I hate being unclear, and my original wording could have been taken to suggest that Bundy had no guns, when of course he or his supporters certainly had guns in the mid-April standoffs. The comment was accurate (all along) in suggesting that the Bundy standoff ended without fighting and that, even so, Bundy has been rebuked by many conservatives.