If wedding licenses issued in one state have to be honored in the other 56 states, then why not concealed carry permits; I mean apart from the deranged hatred Democrats have against the Right to Bear Arms?
Anyway, the Republican Senate is contemplating a bill that would force all of the states to respect concealed carry reciprocity… even Democrat-run crapholes like New York, Massachusetts, and California … to abide by the Second Amendment and not infringe on the Constitutional Rights of concealed carry holders.
Resisting Democrat attempts to disarm the citizenry is pretty much the last Conservative thing the GOP is useful for.
other 59.
visited 57 so far, one to go, and skipping AK and HI
See the genius was referring to there being 60 states
and I agree with Uncle Ted. the 2nd is my CCW permit.
A very good point – and, I’ll add that those most caught up in one state not honoring another state’s weapon permit laws are otherwise law-abiding, good people; not criminals.
From Ellen D:
’50 Shades of Grey’ Deleted Scene
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/02/50-shades-of-grey-deleted-scene.html
If it’s a Human Right, why am I then denied the ability to protect myself in-public just because I live in NJ when at the same time PA residents visiting NJ can? We don’t have CCW or open-carry here in NJ, yet PA is a shall-issue state.
If visitors to my state have the right-to self-defense, why am I denied that same Right at home or when I travel out-of-state?
Ted B., that’s a question that you need to be asking your governor and state legislators. (Or would be if such an act passed.)
I have made that argument before that leftists should be willing to trade CCWs transferring to every state for the same with gay marriage licenses but I just get blank stares. I also think that the same requirements for getting a CCW permit should apply to voting as the founders only wanted intelligent people with “skin in the game” to vote.
The attack in Norway actually gives me hope for western civilization. A moslem fired off 200 rounds at a convention and only killed one person, who was not his main target,& wounded 2 others while Anders Breivik required 121 shots to kill 77. At no time in history have moslems stopped diminitude without threat of death by weapons dipped in pigs blood, which sends them to hell.
Even worse is Montana has a castle law but sentenced a man to for 70years 1st degree murder for killing a moslem serial burglar in his home. The prosecution said that he restocked his home with valuables and laid in wait for the burglar to return. I lay in wait at my house every night, but unless he put a poisoned bucket of KFC on his porch he should be innocent under the castle law. They call the burglar a German but he was buried in Turkey which genocided x-tian Armenians .
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/markus-kaarma-gets-years-in-exchange-student-killing/article_0ef0dfa5-1877-5138-a2b7-70e94c21b61c.html
Steve, I couldn’t tell with a quick reading of the linked article, but isn’t this the case where after burglaries in the neighborhood or outside his home, the homeowner had all sorts of tempting to a thief items in his garage, which he left lighted and open? If that is the case, he would not have been the innocent and wronged party, but was trying to get someone. If law enforcement does it, it’s called entrapment.
To go back to the idea of a nation-wide acceptance of concealed carry permits, I recognize that firearms are a potentially dangerous tool, but in law I don’t understand why the rights recognized in the 2nd Amendment are treated so differently than the rights in the other articles. One only has to see what influence Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton can wield just from their speech.
@7: Steve, from what I read, Kaarma laid a trap. I don’t think the intent of the castle law is bait a trap and shoot whoever turns up. My position is that I will use deadly force if I believe me and/or my hubby are in danger. But property only? No – aside from the moral issue, there are guaranteed legal complications.
As far as federally-mandated CCW reciprocity, there is the issue of federalism and also the likelihood that the feds will also impose training standards and those could be made onerous. It’s not hard to imagine NJ, NY, CA, IL, et al demanding that state permits have to require a week’s training at Quantico.
Here in KS, we have loons in the legislature who are proposing no-license concealed-carry. While I support CCW (and have a license), I do not support allowing anyone to carry without even the most basic safety training (which is not demanding at all) and without any background check at all.
Just because someone is legally entitled to own a firearm doesn’t mean they need to be carrying it around with them. I see too many people just driving to/from work everyday that are crazy. Going to the minimal trouble it takes to obtain a permit means that the permit holder has, at least, given the issue a few minute’s thought.
Steve, it appears that Kaarma’s harsh sentence was mostly because he appeared to the judge to be “not a very nice person” and because he showed no remorse, though the judge acknowledged that prior burglaries “set this tragedy on course.” Yeah, I don’t think I’d be a very nice person and wouldn’t feel all that much remorse if I had been burglarized several times and the guy was back to do it again! Probably would not have shot him, but definitely would have wanted to, or at least wanted to smack him with a baseball bat!
Moral of the story: Avoid urinating on a fellow student in high school, never assault your girlfriend, never tell anyone in advance that you want to shoot the burglar, and express remorse, whether you feel it or not!
I wonder if burglaries in the area have gone down since the shooting. Nah, burglars take into account that some nut-job might kill them when they burglarize a place. Don’t they?
Have these people heard of the US Department of Education?
Replacing stolen goods doesn’t count as an “attractive nuisance”. By definition you are laying in wait in your house whenever you are there. He had been the victim of multiple butleries. Jealousy can be appeased by stealing my big screen TV, Envy demands I not be able to replace it. Calling a Moslem from turkey a German exchange student should be a crime. The Steve that picks up drunk str8 guys by railroad tracks had a grandfather that escaped the Armenian genocide in Turkey.
Here is the applicable part of Montana castle law (b) the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony in the occupied structure. I grew up in a place so white people left their cars running at convenience stores, but I believed in equality until I meet enough non-Asian minorities to prove otherwise including working over 6years at inner city hospitals & being a healthcare traveler.
A decent write-up on the Kaarma case:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/12/trial-underway-of-homeowner-accused-of-baiting-intruder/
learning how to properly and safely use weapons should be part of the curriculum.
I really dislike the bait argument causes crime because it doesn’t in Asian/white areas. The cops & social workers in Rotherham UK admitted to ignoring the gang rapes of 1400 little white girls for the same reason San Fran cops don’t bother investigating any crime short of murder, & moslems preach that unveiled girls count as bait. I get that some gays hope closeted guys sneak in their window looking for sex but that is risky rough trade.
When I read about the previous “lay in wait” case I was in the spare bedroom that functions as computer room/storage/guest room that invites guests not to stay long, & I noticed that the argument that having water food and books within arms reach applied to me, & that it could be said I had enough freeze dried food to lay in wait for months. Anyone that has lived in the Hurricane zone could be argued can lay in wait for weeks.
Kaarma was found guilty in December of deliberate homicide in the shooting death of Diren Dede.
Dede was wounded and pleading for his life when Kaarma fired a fourth and fatal shot into his garage shortly after midnight last April 27.
http://m.mtstandard.com/news/local/kaarma-to-appeal-murder-conviction-to-montana-supreme-court/article_db2564e6-d7d4-550f-8108-efe37cec896d.html?mobile_touch=true
“wounded and pleading for his life?” Wow. Good luck on the appeal, sucker.
Somehow I doubt even this revelation will change Steve’s opinion. He is apparently a member of the “thieves/trespassers deserve to die” school. While I shed no tears over a dead perp in a legal shooting, I am quite hesitant to propound on those who “deserve” to die.
This isn’t the first such case. I recall one (up north perhaps?) where an older man literally lay in wait to kill two teenagers who had previously broken in. After wounding (and rendering harmless) both of them, he proceeded to execute them.
Another case involved a convenience store robbery. The clerk shot the would-be robber, then calmly reloaded and executed his helpless assailant on camera.
That’s murder.
I would phrase it this way, Casey.
When you decide to commit a crime against someone, you choose not to show them mercy or to respect the law.
Conversely, it’s rather difficult to argue that they or the law are in any way obliged to show it to you.
Especially since your committing a crime already demonstrates your ill will, and frankly put, why should you get another chance to do them harm?
Also, in terms of a deterrent, I would rather make it clear that you violate another person’s property at your own peril rather than the act of you defending your property carries peril. Kaarma may have “baited the trap”, true, but he did not go out in the street and order the thieves/trespassers into his garage at gunpoint. They chose to enter, he responded accordingly.
In short, I would rather err on the side of people who are committing crimes having to worry about consequences versus people defending themselves against a crime. You can argue that Kaara behaved negligently and recklessly, which I think is fair to say, which would make a manslaughter verdict permissible — and I think that would be justified in this case. But not by any means murder.