The pro-abortion left claims that abortion must be legal, on demand, without apology, because the alternative would be for women to have “unsafe” abortions conducted by unqualified people in unsanitary conditions (back alleys, coat-hangers).
Yet, the pro-abortion left is suing to prevent Texas from implementing a law that would require abortions to be performed only by qualified people under sanitary conditions. A law that was passed because an abortionist was butchering women in unsanitary conditions at his abortion mill.
Crazy, right?
Totally crazy.
Statistics for black children born out of wedlock show the incidence be at an all time high.
Planned Parenthood positions its “clinics”, vulture like, near areas where targeted breeders of “inferior” children are likely to be housed. This is key to their successful eugenics plan.
Isn’t it time for Planned Parenthood to have access to school records so they can monitor the breeders they most target and to get federal funds to pay them to abort? After all, killing welfare expenses in the womb saves plenty of tax dollars.
This whole exterminator role should be open to a reasonable discussion. Who does Planned Parenthood target and why the heck don’t they have the strength of their convictions and sterilize the donor mama while they are killing her immediate problem? The Nazis wouldn’t let such a good crisis go to waste.
Please, lets not burden a poor pregnant girl with matters of facts and alternative choices. The nanny state is at its best when it comes to making the right choices for those who fit their profile. Maybe Mayor Nagin could run the scheme from his accommodations at the Texarkana federal prison camp where has retired for the next decade.
Let’s be honest here:
1) On the page of the first link given it claims that Patriarchy involves the enslavement and degradation of women, then demands that abortion be on demand and without apology. It is never explained how she became pregnant. And apparently it doesn’t matter, which allows them to call all sex rape, thus taking no responsibility for their actions, and by extension claiming that they cannot do so. The convoluted logic of this defies sanity.
2) The law was passed in an effort to close down abortion mills, as opponents of the bill claim. Let’s be honest.
3) The reason being that abortion is an invasive procedure. It’s not like removing a wart or dressing a wound. As such, the bill simply applies the same standards required of other places for invasive procedures, and several places in Texas meet those standards.
4) It is quite telling when the opponents of the bill no longer claim that they want to keep abortions “legal, safe, and rare”. Forty years ago pro-life speakers claimed that pro-abortion advocates wanted abortion on demand, and those advocates claimed, then, that that was not true. Now, the shout it. At least they are being honest…now.
5) The brandishing of coat hangers was an attempt to claim that pro-life advocates are forcing women into unsanitary conditions to obtain them. This is how they can claim that it is a health issue. Dr. Gosnell and their opposition to this bill reveal the lie of this.
Do Not, Repeat, Do Not Expect Reason or Consistency from the Right
The Anti-Choice right claims abortion must be illegal in all cases because their belief in god tells them that life begins at conception. Many of these same Anti-Choice folks strive to keep government rules and regulations out of all aspects of their personal lives.
Yet here the Right is imposing new regulations on and industry and cheerleading new Statist laws that restricts personal choice when it comes to medical procedures.
Crazy Right?
A little reminder for Mike :
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-trial/
If conservatives want to make abortion safer for those women who choose to have an abortion and the liberals want to make it less safe for those women where is exactly is the war on women?
#1- ‘Born out of wedlock’ is an old fashioned phrase, and its old fashioned thinking. I don’t think the stigma is like it used to be and that is fine with me, no reason for the little bastards to feel ashamed. I agree, it’s nice if there is a father in the home, but there are tons of kids in single mom homes that are doing just fine. If the mothers are choosing not to abort, then I’m OK with that. For the rest of your comment, yeah I think that PP is a pretty evil corporation, not like Chevron or Mobil are presented as evil- but actually evil.
#3- I know that you get picked on a lot here Mike, but you are mistaken that opposition to abortion is god-based. One can be pro-life purely for reasons that are secular, scientific , and based on justice. You are also mistaken in the idea that people who want less gvmnt intrusion are being inconsistent. For the past 4 years we have been desperately trying to extract ourselves from participating in and funding of abortion, but it is your side that demands that we be dragged into supporting it either thru our employers (Hobby Lobby) or our colleges (Sandra Fluke) or even our churches(Obamacare). The TX legislation here seems reasonable to me, and your opposition to even inspections of clinics paints you as the extremist.
TnnsNe1- Actually while you bring up Gosnell it turns out its both cheaper, simpler and safer to induce labor then murder the infant than it is to properly perform a legal abortion. It turns out he cut his operating costs to less than 1/2. I saw a breakdown of it in an article and the amount of extra money he made on each was staggering, but I wont even look up the article to link because anyone who is not medically jaded would have trouble reading it.
TnnsNe1
Thats fine. But just so you know. This new conservative faith based job killing regulation will result in more government employees inspecting businesses, government lawyers to prosecute offenses and government staffers to process the mountain of bureaucracy this new regulation will create. All paid for by the tax payers.
Yet folks who pretend to be for small government are pushing for this new regulation.
Crazy, right?
School that ordered school cops to ignore crimes fires principle who supported Pool Hoax cop.http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/10/north-miami-high-school-principal-fired-for-supporting-mckinney-police-officer-same-school-district-that-told-police-to-hide-thug-behavior/
I put a comment on earlier about Gosnell and how he found it cheaper simpler and safer to induce labor then kill the baby than to do legal abortions. I was not advocating for it just pointing out how much more profitable it was.
I have to get on board with little-m mike here. Planned Parenthood locates to where the need is: minority areas. And it is a burden for abortion providers to meet the same minimum requirement for sanitation that the local Dairy Queen has to meet.
Seriously, Mike, it’s possible to object to abortion on non-religious ground (see #5, above). I am not religious at all yet I tend to a weakly pro-life position. I wouldn’t ban abortions (up to a point) but I acknowledge what it is: the killing of a human being, usually for the convenience of others. Margaret Sanger (who’s unfairly maligned IMHO) woite that abortion is a stain on civilization.
Yeah, I know. “Born out of wedlock” is not politically correct. We are supposed to say Jewel of a single parent or something. Fine. But an entire legal industry has grown up over paternity rights and responsibility and it has not been a positive influence on society in general. As a man of 73, I never heard anyone referred to as a bastard in my lifetime. However, after the Norman invasion, English Common Law concerning bastardy established status of filius nulls making bastards the child of no one who was without claim on either parent and thus thrown on society to survive “misericordiam alienorum” meaning to rely on the kindness of strangers.
In 2015, social welfare takes the institutionalized role of state forced wealth transfer to a growing number of kids for whom the state provides “misericordiam alienorum.” It is an age old problem that has long existed for children who do not have the benefit of a loving mom and pop to raise them. No one has made a cogent argument advocating the general rule that the children in the society would be better adjusted if raised by single parent rather than raised by a mom and pop.
If “tons” of kids with single parent households have turned out just fine, then mega-tons of others have not. Just take a look at black males and the drop out rate, unemployment and incarceration who have had the benefit of single moms and the facts point to a different reality.
When you talk to a brain-addled liberal like mikey, one always has to remember that they really have no mental capacity whatsoever to reconcile cause and effect.
To whit, mikey screams the following:
And yet, mikey’s screeching over this bill is based on the fact that mikey claims it will cause all the abortion clinics to close and no one will be performing abortions.
So riddle us this: how can there be MORE “government employees inspecting businesses, government lawyers to prosecute offenses and government staffers to process the mountain of bureaucracy this new regulation will create”…..when mikey insists that there will be no abortion clinics and abortion providers for them to inspect?
Which is it, mikey? Are these regulations and laws going to shut down abortion clinics, or not? And if they’re not, then what are you complaining about, especially when you insist on regulating nail salons and hairdressers?
Heliotrope:
I thought “born out of wedlock” was supposed to be a politically correct phrase? If I’m correct, “bastard” used to be the word referred to children born outside of marriage, but then we got PC and started saying “out of wedlock” instead.
NDT
I would bet 2 of my dog’s hairs that the main difference between us regarding abortion is you cry to the government to solve it through big government programs. Whereas I think it should be stopped through counseling.
One of my grandmothers had three abortions back in the 1930s and early 1940s. I do not know the circumstances of why this occurred, and neither does my mother. My opinion on abortion is that early on I have no problem with it, but later on it’s wrong.
And you would lose the bet, mikey.
The reason you worship abortion and demand that it be taxpayer-funded is that the money goes directly into Obama Party coffers.
As everyone here who has seen you comment knows, you are a government worshiper whose answer for everything is more government, more government, more handouts for you, and more punishment for people who work. You are mentally and morally incapable of doing anything other than shrieking “MOAR GOVERNMENT”.
Your showing up here and attempting to Alinsky conservatives is because you are addicted to abortion, mikey. You need abortion money. You want abortions taxpayer-funded. You have no interest in reducing abortions because doing so would be cutting off the supply of money to the Obama Party you need to purchase votes and use governmental power to steal from others who work. Indeed, as we see from your push to teach teenagers to be promiscuous and have abortions as early as age 12, you want MORE of them.
There is no “cost savings” involved with this. A fifteen-cent condom is a cost savings, given that it makes a $750 abortion unnecessary. Abortion is merely your attempt to shift your failure to be a responsible and intelligent human being onto other taxpayers. It is theft and murder, mikey, and it IS within governmental purvey and the right use of government to reduce both.
I will admit that it rankles me to hear anti-abortion advocates called “anti-choice” when they are not that at all. Anti-abortion advocates are all in favor of the choice to say “no” and make it stick, the choice to raise the child themselves, the choice to put the child up for adoption, the choice to use effective anti-conception drugs and devices.
I find it very disingenuous to hear pro-abortion advocates call themselves “pro-choice” when the only choice they care about is the choice of abortion. They speak against requirements to offer alternative choices, against any rights of the biological father, against taxpayers and employers who do not wish to pay for them, etc. Those choices don’t seem to matter.
Paul,
I believe you are correct about the PC aspect of “born out of wedlock.” Again, bastard was not a term I heard used. But people would be tagged as “illegitimate.” Then came the period of “common law marriage” when cohabitation for “x” number of years let the couple go to the judge and get signed off as married and their children became “legitimate.” That little nicety went by the wayside in the 60’s. Who ever hears of a couple “eloping” anymore?
The “family” was never an institution which automatically raised perfect children. But it was one of the three pillars of raising children: the family, the church, the schools. In many ways all three have been badly shaken at their foundations.
“Crazy, right?”
It’s a 2-3%er thing………..
Is the law reasonable or does it place excessive demands? I don’t work in healthcare and I have never had an abortion. Are there people on the left addressing the level of appropriateness in the law?
If this law leans closer to preventing another Gosnell situation and further away from making it more difficult for legitimate abortion clinics to remain in operation, then I’m unsure as to why this would be considered a bad law.
“I will admit that it rankles me to hear anti-abortion advocates called “anti-choice” when they are not that at all.”
Many folks on the left feel the same way when they are called “pro-abortion” because from their perspective they are protecting individual freedoms while folks on the right are demanding faith based “Sharia-esque” laws thus they call pro life folks anti choice.
If you stop saying “pro abortion” maybe they will stop calling you “anti choice? “
When will reproductive responsibilities align with reproductive rights?
Here I am stupidly believing the mantra of women controlling their own bodies. If so, why do they need money from men?
#20- Opposition to abortion is not per se a religious expression. I have not seen anyone on this thread bring up jesus or the pope. And for you to suggest that this TX law is similar to Sharia makes you sound kinda nutty. I glean that you are against clinics having to meet the same standards as other surgical out-patient centers is based because you think this will cause the clinics to close. Why do you think that? If they are not clean and safe then they should close. Why is this a problem for you?
#9- Sure, the best environment for kids would be to have a mom and a pop. I know the stats of single mom’s in the black community, but I have not been convinced that is the core problem. It sounds like too easy of an answer to say that all (or most) of the problems are all traced to not having a dad in the home. Everyone has to do the best they can in the situation they are born into.
littlelettermike,
The left came out with the pro-choice theme and did a bumper sticker campaign with it. They politicized a complicated issue by pumping up the whole “woman’s right to choose” and “pro-choice” over addressing the killing of the fetus. The left made a woman’s right to choose superior to the life in her womb.
So, the backlash bumper-sticker campaign began with “Pro-Life” and “Its not a choice, its a life.” That really pissed off the smug left and so they went on a convoluted rampage about the sanctity of a woman’s body and her right to have clumps of crud expelled from it and blah, blah, blah.
The whole farce devolved into grown minds saying stupid stuff about when life begins and making esoteric arguments about viability and when the thing that is developing becomes “human” and “sentient” and, oh, look, a squirrel.
I am curious about your concept of counseling women out of having an abortion. How would structure things so that women trooping to the abortion mill have passed through counseling first? And if the pro-choice woman blows off the counseling and goes for the procedure, would you consider your idea to be a failure?
Abortion has been a reality throughout the ages. There is no societal way to stop it. But federally funding it is an obvious choice by the government that “we the people” may get it done at the mall along with a pedicure and a nail treatment.
Monica Lewinsky has popped up again. So has the dead and buried Chandra Levy. Both of them are public names simply because of how they provided vagina access to married men. (I am not letting the married men off on this, but they don’t get pregnant from their girl toys.) Chandra Levy believed she might have a little Gary Condit sperm creation growing in her baby place. Then she was murdered. Monica Lewinsky was sent over to the Pentagon to keep her away from Horndog Bill and she got knocked up by “Thomas” who entered her vaginal life. “Not wanting to be a single mother, and still in love with the president, she opted for abortion.”
Oh, dear me. Two starry eyed little power-struck innocent hormonal twits who fell for dreams of life with men old enough to be their fathers.
They sure did give society a good counseling. Just a spoonful of moral rectitude among the boys and girls in this Greek comedy would have kept them all out of the news and our noses out of their private lives.
Instead, we all got a lesson in lust, lasciviousness, licentiousness and debauchery. And for the left, it is business as usual and “she” can always dump the hump and get back in play without missing a beat. That is her right and social justice must make it possible.
For the left, Pro-choice trumps innocent life every time.
Si, little letter mike hates regulations when they inconvenience baby-killers, but is totes on-board with the EPA destroying 350,000 middle class jobs in order to fight ManBearPig.
mike is also apparently okay with women being butchered in Gosnell-type clinics, so long as it advances the leftist cause of abortion on demand without apology at any stage of pregnancy and maybe afterwards, too.
Jim, you switched the argument. That is a common tactic. Here is how you did it:
I have never seen anyone make that claim.
Nor have I ever seen anyone make the claim that all two parent families are great, loving families.
But, we can statistically calculate the odds. That has been done time and again. Charles Murray got flash mobbed for getting too close to the truth in The Bell Curve. You must not piss off the poverty pimps.
This single mom piety dancing is in a league with calling Caitlyn Jenner courageous. Maybe people should spend a little time learning the stories of the clients in the WIC program. These gals are almost locked onto the poverty, welfare treadmill. How do they come up with the second and third child by different fathers? Through counseling?
23 > you’re either retarded or responding to a post not #20.
#29- right you are, I was responding to #21.
The reason mike’s “choice” bullsh*t is so hilarious is because it inadvertently shows mikey’s belief that women are helpless sex receptacles that must perform on command and on demand for liberal males.
This is the fundamental disconnect between pro-life and pro-abortion people. Pro-abortionwomen and their liberal male owners. Pro-lifers realize that pregnancy is the end result of a series of choices, meaning that you had ample opportunity to prevent it from happening. Pro-abortionists think pregnancy is spontaneous and that the only way to prevent it is to kill the baby.
When you point this out, pro-abortionists start shrieking “rape”. The response: pro-abortionists call for conservative women to be raped, make fake rape claims constantly for revenge purposes, and refuse to hold Democrat politicians to the same standards for “rape” that they hold everyone else, so until they fix that, rape is an invalid reason.
Pro-abortion advocates need to be confronted with reality, the fact is o that within moments of conception DNA is visible and we know that it is distict, individual, and a pattern of life for the conceiveved. It is a shame that this was not a matter of discussion by our Founding Fathers, to define when life begins to include it in our Constitution. I admire the Constitution of El Salvador dated 1983, to include in Article One, “El Salvador . . . recognizes as a human person and a whole human being from the instant of conception. In consequence it is the obligation of the State to ensure that the inhabitants of the Republic enjoy liberty, health,culture, economic well-being, and social justice.”
I would support an Amendment to our Constitution defining life beginning at conception. An end run around Roe v Wade. It’s time to end tyranny by the minority.
I honestly don’t see why it is wrong to call someone who supports abortion “pro-abortion”.
Now, I won’t claim that all those who support abortion are in favor of abortion on demand. Many have been very leary of supporting partial birth abortions, for instance (Oh, don’t tell me that you don’t like that title. When the procedure is described, that title fits it perfectly). Many more have no problem with putting a limit on abortions after 20 weeks when the fetus is usually viable.
But they don’t account for the majority of the pro-abortion demonstrators who rankle at even the most rudimentary restrictions, such as making sure clinics which perform invasive abortion procedures meet the same medical standards as other clinics that perform other invasive procedures. Such people are clearly more in favor of abortion than they are in freedom (remember, they want someone else to pay for it. Where is that person’s economic freedom?) or in choice (since they ignore every single other choice, including the choice of the biological father). Thus, the title “pro-abortion” is not an insult. It is highly appropriate.
It’s time for the pro-abortion advocates to face reality. It has benn demonstrated scientifically that moments after conception the first to appear is the DNA. We know how important DNA is. It is the distinguishing characteristics an individual. It is a shame that this was not a matter of discussion by our Founding Fathers to include the definition of the beginning of life in our Constitution. I admire the Constitution of El Salvador. In their Constitution of 1983, Article One states, “El Salvador . . . recognizes as a human person and a whole human being from the instant of conception. In consequence it is the obligation of the State to asure the inhabitants of the Republic enjoy liberty, health, culture, economic well-being and social justice.”
I, for one, would support an Amendement to our Constitution which defines life as beginning at conception. An end run around Roe v Wade. It’s time to end tyranny by the minority. When pro-abortion advocates support the death penalty, I will recognize their consistency. The hypocrisy in their mantra ‘all life is sacred,’ except in killing innocent babies whose only crime was coming into existence.
I wonder where my comment is. This morning when it didn’t post I rewrote it
I wonder where my comment is. This morning when it didn’t post I rewrote it
Hey N20, how come you’re not lumping me in with mike? That’s not very consistent of you.
I wonder where my comment of midmorning went. When it didn’t post I rewrote and clicked say it. I suppose they went into the ether.
I wonder when pro-abortion advocates will realize that they are wrong. Science has demonstrated conclusively that life begins at conception. It has been demonstrated that DNA is present moments after conception. We know how important DNA is. It contains all the individual characteristics that a person will carry throughout his/her life. It’s a shame that the Founding Fathers didn’t have a discussion about when life begins to define it in our Constitution. I admire that in the Constitution of El Salvador dated 1983, Article One states, “El Salvador . . . Also, recognizes as a human person and a whole human being from the instant of conception. In consequence, it is the obligation of the State to asure that the inhabitants of the Republic enjoy liberty, health, culture, economic well-being, and social justice.”
I would support a Constitutional Amendment defining that life begins at conception. An end run around Roe v Wade.
When pro-abortion advocates abandons their mantra that all life is sacred, and supports the death penalty, at least. I would concede they are consistent. Until then, they’re hyocritical murderers of babies whose only crime was to come into existence.
Yeah it’s the liberal/pro abortion crowd that are anti science on the issue of abortion.
Science has shown that life begins at conception.
As someone who used to be rabidly pro-choice, let me explain how I fell away from that position.
I’m all about truth, logic and reason. As the OP points out, the arguments of the pro-choice side promptly implode in the face of logic. This leads me to believe that they are not reasonable, and upon careful inspection, the vast majority of their points are found to be untruthful.
I cannot possibly, in either a Scriptural or secular context, see abortion as anything other than the taking of a human life.
Does anybody have a cure for a waundering cursor? It jumps all over the page. I now know why my previous comments went into the ether. Because of the length of my comment, I didn’t see that a couple of words from the text went before my name. It will jump into the middle of a previous sentence causing me to erase those few words and retype them, The other problem I have with this laptop is when I want to begin a new line or paragraph and hit enter, it erases the paragraph in part or the whole thing. Buying a new one is not an option. Being a retired person, there is age discrimination in extending credit. Electrodomesticos cost about 10% to 15% more than in the USA.
Does anybody have a cure for a waundering cursor? It jumps all over the page. I now know why my previous comments went into the ether. Because of the length of my comment, I didn’t see that a couple of words from the text went before my name. It will jump into the middle of a previous sentence causing me to erase those few words and retype them, The other problem I have with this laptop is when I want to begin a new line or paragraph and hit enter, it erases the paragraph in part or the whole thing. Buying a new one is not an option. Being a retired person, there is age discrimination in extending credit. Electrodomesticos cost about 10% to 15% more than in the USA.
I did not post. The laptop did it for me. It’s like premature ejaculation. I need my resources to make cosmic repairs and upgrades to my honently.use prior ro putting it on the market to return to the U.S.A. perma
Roberto, my cursor sympathies. My next laptop MUST have a way to move the cursor other than one of those darned trackpads. I tend to drag my thumbs when I type, which produces problems similar to yours. (And also some of the foulest language that I have used.) (from the poster formerly known as Kevin–the non-ranting Kevin)
Roberto,
I just had a trackpadadectomy due to lazy cursor and cursor rebellion. It cost me $187, but things are back to normal.
TheQuietMan
I’m glad to know that I’m not the only person, who after medititation, the fruits there from and my spirituality goes out the window after fifteen minutes writing on my laptop as every foul word is shouted out with anger.