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Posted by V the K at 7:45 am - June 25, 2015.
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There is a danger in making concessions to insane radicals.

The idea of banning the Confederate flag in response to a shooting that had absolutely nothing to do with the Confederate Flag began with dim, soft-bellied Republican politicians like Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush who thought consigning the Confederate Battle Emblem to museums would be a nice, feelgood concession to the left which would heal wounds and bring us all together.  Others said, “This isn’t about banning the flag, it’s about taking it off Government buildings and you’re silly (and racist) to think it will go any further than that.”  Others said, “I’m not a southerner, so I don’t care about that flag. Let’s just concede the argument so we can put this all behind us and move on.”

It didn’t quite work out that way. Instead, companies like WalMart, eBay, and Amazon upped the ante by banning sales of Confederate Battle Emblems entirely; the National Park Service joined in, too.  Apple has reportedly removed Civil War Games from their app store because they use the CBE.

So much for those who insisted this wasn’t really a ban.

Sensing weakness, the crazies of the left immediately pounced and began demanding more concessions; and nothing short of an ISIS-style erasure of American cultural history and icons will satisfy them now.

In dealing with the left, one must remember that they are a selfish and irrational people. Political Correctness is the outward expression of their piety in their progressive socialist religion. They demonstrate their moral purity to one another through one-upmanship, no demand is so crazy that it cannot be topped be an even crazier demand. It’s a game no one can ever win.

Put another way, if you give a monster a cookie, he’s only going to demand more cookies.

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Funny thing. When the Democrats held the South politically, southern culture was celebrated. Now that the south is Republican red, they suddenly hate its culture and everyone who lives there.

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  1. The key to thought control is to remove anything that could spark the thought in the first place.

    Comment by Craig Smith — June 25, 2015 @ 7:54 am - June 25, 2015

  2. Yesterday, I saw on Drudge a headline saying “Limbaugh says American Flag is Next”.

    I thought, “oh, Rush, come on”.

    A Few hours later, Drudge reports that Louis Farrakhan wants the American flag gone. In saner times, I wouldn’t care what Farrakhan says since he’s insane. But in these times? Rush got it right.

    Comment by KCRob — June 25, 2015 @ 9:06 am - June 25, 2015

  3. Pure Alinsky diversion tactics to bury a major Progressive embarrassment.

    The families of 9 BLACK innocents slain by the WHITE racist sold out to JESUS. WTF????

    Here was the absolute perfect Progressive storm. A bunch of BLACK stereotypes are at church doing their quaint black Bible thumping and in strides a WHITE Nazi/KKK/TeaParty/NRA toothless redneck who shoots them in cold blood while whistling Dixie.

    And the friggin’ families of the BLACK stereotypes go whacko and display actual unity and give the redneck murderer Christian forgiveness and don’t riot or anything.

    This can not stand. No wiggle room for Al Sharpton to ooze in and do his social justice schtick. Juicy Jackson is not sent for. WHITE people show up in amazing droves of solidarity with the BLACK families. Not a single BLACK neighborhood store is looted by grieving BLACK mopes expressing their rage at continuing to be treated like ……

    Man-oh-man did this perfect crisis go to waste in a nano-second. The Progressives are left having to spit their bile and vent their spleens at some tangental semi-ulterior motive. Embarrassing. BLACK vs. WHITE is not supposed to work like this. “We are all getting along” is NOT the answer to “Can’t we all get along.” The Progressives need the race baiting card to progress. Unity sucks. Especially when it is all smothered with Big Guy in the Sky religious tripe and drivel.

    So, the Progressives are out in force attacking history and demanding that it be shredded, buried and hated on. The stars and bars must be hated, censored and obliterated. (Maybe a special wing of a museum somewhere can display the relics of depravity. But, by God, everyone who wants to see it gets three days of torture by the TSA.)

    We can live without Gone With the Wind or toy General Lee cars. Capitalism will enjoy a profitable backlash against the Progressives when the Stars and Bars merchants get their gears into motion.

    The dour puss Progressives can’t stand dissent, can’t tolerate disobedience and pretty much hate humor. They choose who and what is to be mocked and then they turn their fire-hose verbal diarrhea on their objects of scorn.

    Just a bunch of playground taunters and bullies rubbing kerosene on their anal pores while quenching their thirst for revenge with quarts of vinegar.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 25, 2015 @ 10:17 am - June 25, 2015

  4. Doesn’t erasing this aspect of of our history do a disservice to those who suffered the most from slavery. Are we supposed to pretend it never happened?

    Comment by Niall — June 25, 2015 @ 10:38 am - June 25, 2015

  5. I never thought I would say this, but perhaps it’s time to reconsider the public knowledge of the American history. To avoid making everyone upset, we should stop teaching American history, and begin a cleansing by destroying history books. The public libraries can be first. Destroying books in people’s homes would be more problematic as it would possibly violate the constitution, but with the current Supreme Court having ruled that the constitution has no force as it was written by people who were white, male, and are now dead.

    Another problem with destroying books in private hands is that there are a lot of people who are gun nuts, and don’t understand that the second amendment gives the government militias the right have arms. So it might be dangerous.

    Now that I think about it, first let’s work on removing all guns from private hands, and hold off on the books till after that.

    Comment by John — June 25, 2015 @ 11:18 am - June 25, 2015

  6. Liberals love to slide down slippery slopes.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — June 25, 2015 @ 11:35 am - June 25, 2015

  7. Stalinism.

    Uncle Joe was always their face.

    Comment by formwiz — June 25, 2015 @ 11:57 am - June 25, 2015

  8. I have more respect for a confederate soldier who fought bravely than the racist Wilson (progressive democrat), the KKK member Robert Byrd, racist democrat FDR. All three men wore their racism proudly but don’t have the excuse of war.

    When democrat race gaiters start complaining about old white guys they complain about Jefferson and Washington but give the first progressive democrat a pass.

    Comment by Just Me — June 25, 2015 @ 12:08 pm - June 25, 2015

  9. “A bunch of BLACK stereotypes are at church doing their quaint black Bible thumping and in strides a WHITE Nazi/KKK/TeaParty/NRA toothless redneck who shoots them in cold blood while whistling Dixie.”

    Hows does one equate the Neo-Nazi/KKK to the Tea Party/NRA?

    Comment by rjligier — June 25, 2015 @ 12:12 pm - June 25, 2015

  10. rjligier @ #9:

    I wrote the scenario from the viewpoint of the Progressive. They are professional demonizingrats for whom “facts” are superfluous. Therefore, they lard their scenario with all the vitriol they can muster.

    Please reread what I wrote with that understanding:

    Here was the absolute perfect Progressive storm. A bunch of BLACK stereotypes are at church doing their quaint black Bible thumping and in strides a WHITE Nazi/KKK/TeaParty/NRA toothless redneck who shoots them in cold blood while whistling Dixie.

    Specifically, at this point, Dylann Storm Roof is not toothless, redneckedness= unknown, Nazi=unspecified, KKK=unspecified, Tea Party=unspecified, NRA=unspecified. But when the Progressives get to ranting and raving about the WHITE segregationist murderer, they can be counted on bringing out all of the monsters under their mattress in order to overstate their case.

    Did I step on a toe? Do you think for a moment that if Roof turns out to be a member of the NRA or lives within 20 miles of where a Tea Party meeting was once held that he won’t be tarred and feathered by the Progressives for being in they sway of either organization which the Progressives loathe beyond all reason? Do you think the Progressives would deign to draw a line of separation between the NRA and the Tea Party and not lump them with the nazis and the KKK for greater zest and sparkle? Progressives are nothing if not masters at stating things neck deep into the swamp of hyperbole.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 25, 2015 @ 12:31 pm - June 25, 2015

  11. Do you folks believe your false equivalency or are you just trying to convince yourselves?

    This is very simple. This flag was the flag flown by a group of Americans who were trying to protect their right to oppresse and enslave people. Then it was flown by groups who used violence to take away voting rights. Then it was flown by groups who used violence to enforce segregation.
    Churches were bombed
    Fathers hung
    Children massacred
    Woman beaten
    The folks who committed those atrocities used the confederate battle flag to intimidate and to oppress.

    Why would any conservative fight to display such a hateful symbol over government buildings?

    Comment by mike — June 25, 2015 @ 12:37 pm - June 25, 2015

  12. @ 5

    I hope that was satire. I really, really do.

    Comment by CthulhuDreaming — June 25, 2015 @ 12:53 pm - June 25, 2015

  13. @ mike

    There is this thing called “the Lessons of History”. You should look into it, I suggest starting with the diaries of the people who were alive at the time of significant events. Historians have an odd tendency vaguely similar to confirmation bias.

    Should the flag be flown over a capitol building? Maybe not or maybe so, but unless you live in the state, why does it bother you?

    Now let me actually answer your question. Conservatives fight for the right to display hateful symbols, as you call them, because it is a RIGHT to speak and express freely.

    Your term “hateful” is merely a justification that you think the thing is bad and should be unpopular. That is your opinion. Do you know what else was unpopular? Homosexuality. By suggesting that what is unpopular today ought to be removed because you do not like it you are guilty of your own crime.

    Fortunately for you, we conservatives actually believe that everybody should be able to express their opinions, thoughts, and beliefs without the threat of being banned either formally or informally.

    Comment by CthulhuDreaming — June 25, 2015 @ 1:07 pm - June 25, 2015

  14. The funny part, Cthulhu, is that if mike were historically informed, he would realize that his demands for the banning of any flag involved in his parade of “churches were bombed, fathers hung, children massacred, woman beaten” would also apply to:

    a) American troops who attacked Loyalists during the American Revolution under the American flag

    b) Union troops who attacked Southern civilians during the Civil War under the Union flag

    But you see, littlelettermike doesn’t care about THAT, because the ends justified the means.

    Liberals like littlelettermike aren’t actually objecting to “churches were bombed, fathers hung, children massacred, woman beaten”; as we’ve seen, liberals like littlelettermike have no problem bombing churches that don’t push gay sex, have no problem lynching black people who don’t vote Democrat, have no problem killing children, and have no problem abusing and raping women.

    That’s why one should never take liberals’ demands or accusations seriously. They are liars and hypocrites. You are talking people who scream that others are “evil” even as they deliberately give tainted blood that they know would sicken other people, just out of pure spite and selfishness.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 25, 2015 @ 1:26 pm - June 25, 2015

  15. CthulhuDreamng: yes, it was satire, but you know it’s bad when people aren’t really sure.

    Comment by John — June 25, 2015 @ 1:27 pm - June 25, 2015

  16. Why don’t we take a page out of the Taliban manual and completely eradicate any and all references to the Civil War? That should make the “…flag made me do it” crowd happy. But it probably wouldn’t because they will never be happy until we are all thinking and “feeling” in lockstep,with them. Dissent can never be tolerated.

    Comment by MaryB — June 25, 2015 @ 1:54 pm - June 25, 2015

  17. Yep, I was right.

    littlelettermike is right back foaming at the mouth that if we don’t take his bait about the stars and bars being evil by his standards, then we are also evil.

    V-e-r-y convenient for littlelettermike. In his alleged mind, he has laid a trap from which the only escape is to join him and his truncated understanding of the facts of the past.

    That flag is the product of the Democrat party. By littlelettermike’s instant genius, the Democrat party must stand up and take responsibility for slavery, the stars and bars, the KKK, the Jim Crow laws, segregation and fighting tooth and nail against the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964. Then they must empty their treasuries and pay reparations to anybody who is black whether he has any connection or not to the aging American past.

    When littlelettermike and Progressive Demonizingrats offer sincere confessions and beg for mercy for their heavy hand in what littlelettermike brands as “evil” then we who have watched the Demonizingrats twist and distort over the many years of our history will consider trying to find ways to begin to trust what Progressives and Demonizingrats say.

    And, littlelettermike, if you think you can get me to defend how the Demonizingrats have degraded the concept of e pluribus unum with their incessant campaign to divide and pander, you have another think coming. The stars and bars are your flag, pal. So get on with the self-flagellation and enjoy the pain.

    *If a moderate Democrat is reading this, my apologies for lumping you with the Progressives. I am certain that a few sane Democrats still exist.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 25, 2015 @ 2:10 pm - June 25, 2015

  18. Of course burying the hate-inspiring Confederate flag is a great idea and will undoubtedly result in the end of racism and the end of any white supremacist idiot killing innocent people.

    But with all the hubbub over the flag, I was reminded of an even more direct cause-and-effect situation. After Ted Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber, was arrested, in his hovel was found a dog-eared marked-up copy of Algor’s eco-screed, Earth in the Balance. Ted obviously thought himself one of Algor’s resistance fighters and killed several “violators” before he was finally arrested.

    Later, Jason Jay Lee, a gun-wielding, bomb-toting eco-terrorist, was “awakened” by Algor’s lying movie, An Inconvenient Truth, and was shot and killed by police after holding several people hostage inside the Discovery Channel headquarters in Maryland.

    Obviously Algor’s works are inspiring hate and terrorist actions. They should be withdrawn from the market and Algor’s many homes should be descended upon by hordes of graffiti artists and marked to protest how hate-inspiring Algor has been.

    The terrorist threats by many news broadcasters, EPA minions and climate “scientists” toward “deniers”? Surely we can do something about those? Alert the FBI?

    Comment by Polly — June 25, 2015 @ 2:10 pm - June 25, 2015

  19. Yes, I realize that the man, and those like him, are really quite contemptible. That said I do bother to explain their babbling inanities for reasons.

    1. I enjoy picking at peoples’ brains.

    2. I am forcing their stupidity into a spotlight, of whatever size, and the hope is that some uninterested party becomes interested.

    3. Against all the cynicism of the age, I choose to believe that men, no matter how dumb, reprehensible, or flat out wrong, can learn.

    Call me an idealistic child, if you must. *throws self onto fainting couch in melodramatic fashion*

    Comment by CthulhuDreaming — June 25, 2015 @ 2:15 pm - June 25, 2015

  20. CthulhuDreaming – The hatefull symbol of oppression, is being flown over public buildings – the state capital for crying outloud!!!

    It should come down.

    To say otherwise is just incredibly insane.

    Helio –
    Stop your nonsensical false equivalencies.
    The flag is/was used as a symbol of intimidation and oppression. It has been used as such for over a hundred years.

    It should come down.

    Comment by mike — June 25, 2015 @ 2:45 pm - June 25, 2015

  21. Hey littlelettermike, did you not read this?

    Or are you just going to run away and pretend those events never happened like the tantrum-throwing coward you are?

    You are never going to stop calling conservatives evil, mike. You are never going to stop screaming racist. You are a brat, a worthless liar and malicious pervert who will say anything and do anything to get his way.

    The Pride flag has flown over parades in which NAMBLA marched, which means by your psychotic logic the Pride flag symbolizes the rape and sexual molestation of children.

    Going to admit that, mike?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 25, 2015 @ 2:56 pm - June 25, 2015

  22. littlemike:

    I say it’s just about time for a good book-burning! What do you say? There’s a LOT of hate-filled books out there.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan (@Bastiat_Admirer) — June 25, 2015 @ 3:16 pm - June 25, 2015

  23. mike- black confederate soldiers had guns and fought the Yankees. Yankee black soldiers didn’t have guns.
    http://www.confederatelegion.com/Black_Confederate_Soldiers.html

    Comment by Steve — June 25, 2015 @ 3:45 pm - June 25, 2015

  24. I love how mike, when faced with facts, calls them inconsistincies. Maybe he is Roberts in disguise?

    Comment by The_Livewire — June 25, 2015 @ 3:52 pm - June 25, 2015

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  26. So, mike, what you are saying is that you are a Federalist. Someone who supports a strong Federal Government. I conclude this from your objection to the right of the state to decide, without your input, what flag gets flown where.

    Please defend your position as a Federalist.

    After all, my concern is with the rights of the states. Or, more clearly, with how the decision was made rather than what that decision was. I want a conversation with good arguments, not a witch hunt.

    Comment by CthulhuDreaming — June 25, 2015 @ 4:30 pm - June 25, 2015

  27. The hatefull symbol of oppression, is being flown over public buildings – the state capital for crying outloud!!!

    littlelettermikey, I will now send you to The New York Times.

    COLUMBIA, S.C. — Gov. Nikki R. Haley called on Monday for South Carolina to do what just a week ago seemed politically impossible — remove the Confederate battle flag from its perch in front of the State House building here.”

    Wow, even the Progressive Old Grey Hag gets it right:

    1) Confederate battle flag.

    2) its perch in front of the State house building.

    Now, littlelettermike, just what constitutes that “perch in front of the State House?

    Well, deep down below the fold, the Progressive Old Hag reveals this:

    The governor made her announcement nearly 15 years after a delicate compromise took effect in South Carolina: The American and state flags remained above the State House, but the Confederate battle flag was moved to a position in front of the building. In a reflection of the sensitivity of the debate, the agreement was detailed — it called, for instance, for the battle flag to be flown 30 feet in the air from a flagpole set 10 feet from the base of the Confederate Soldier Monument — and it sharply restricted when war memorials across the state could be “relocated, removed, disturbed or altered.”

    The agreement also required that any changes be subject to two-thirds votes in each chamber of the legislature.

    Get it? litllelettermike? Your “evil” flag “being flown over public buildings – the state capital for crying outloud!!!” is actually below the level of the front door of the state capitol building for crying out loud and is next to a memorial to the dead soldiers of the Confederacy. So, I suppose you are all in for bulldozing the monument to the dead as well.

    In the Progressive Grey Old Hag report, Governor Nikki R. Haley’s words are included in which she said that the flag was a symbol long revered by many Southerners and for others it was a “deeply offensive symbol of a brutally offensive past.”

    You have cut directly to the chase and declared that the battle flag is “evil.” (period.) Nice to know where you stand. Thoughtless fanatics like you need to wear a hate star on their lapels so we know to bring them warm milk and cookies when their eyes start to go all screwy.

    Will you be going across the Southern lands desecrating Confederate graves? Please tell us about the Triumph of the Will campaign you have in mind to rid the land of the scourge of the past.

    Don’t you think that Gettysburg should be cleansed of all evidence of acknowledgment of the “evil” side?

    How about finding the descendants of all WHITE guys who died fighting for the Union and sending all their posterity a series of special government “thank you checks” and eternal exclusion from all taxes in perpetuity?

    Blah, blah, blah …..

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 25, 2015 @ 5:03 pm - June 25, 2015

  28. the liberal is a totalitarian and an oppressor.

    Comment by tommy651 — June 25, 2015 @ 7:38 pm - June 25, 2015

  29. I’m going to say this: if Haley thought this was a good idea, she is an idiot who should not be involved in politics.

    The battle cry of the Progressive is, “Ever onward!”

    The battle cry of the Conservative is, “Not one step!”

    The battle cry of the Reactionary is, “Drive them back!”

    The battle cry of the Republican is, “You can take one step. Two may be negotiable. But you have to promise you won’t take any more steps than that.”

    Comment by Sean L — June 25, 2015 @ 8:06 pm - June 25, 2015

  30. @28: yeah, but the Republicans usually forget the pinky swear.

    Comment by KCRob — June 25, 2015 @ 8:18 pm - June 25, 2015

  31. I have to wonder if this reveals a totalitarian bent inherent in liberalism itself. I know that’s a controversial claim, but think about it. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were achieved with a minimum of bloodshed after the war in America. Liberty, equality, and fraternity brooked no argument, and anybody who stood in their way was sent to Madame Guillotine.

    The Founders were, fundamentally, conservative. They established freedoms that they believed they had always had, and restated their importance and made safeguards to make sure that they were never taken away again. The French Revolutionaries had never had freedom of speech and those other things. They were going to fight tooth and nail to get them, and woe unto any who denied them.

    One type of liberal seeks to preserve and restore old privileges, and is neutral towards new privileges, or privileges for other groups. The other seeks new privileges that have not existed prior, or wishes to transfer privileges from one class to another.

    I would make a comment about two houses both alike in dignity, but that’s not really the case, is it?

    Comment by Sean L — June 25, 2015 @ 8:50 pm - June 25, 2015

  32. What’s interesting is that even some lefties are beginning to think these demands are crazy. But not littlelettermike. No, sirree.

    Shine on, you crazy diamond.

    Comment by V the K — June 25, 2015 @ 11:07 pm - June 25, 2015

  33. @Polly that is crazy. The answer isn’t to ban anything, that just gives it away to the liberals. Law has got to stop playing clairvoyant and punishing people according to what books and sites they read. It merely lays the groundwork for banning them.

    Removing the flag only accomplishes one thing: handing victory to liberals on a silver platter on what has been a topmost cultural priority of theirs for over two decades. The flag stands for the South and everybody used to understand that. It also stands for Southern valor under massive attack by barbarians in the 1860s and everybody used to understand and appreciate that too.

    The current agit-prop war against the confederate flag was born of only one goal: saving the evil NAACP when it was in tatters due to infamous internal corruption. The flag stands as a firewall against other depredations. Let them take it away and it’s open season on everything classically American.

    The flag matters, very, VERY much to liberals. That should tell us something. They know how important symbols are even if half the conservative community doesn’t anymore.

    V the K! You’re brilliant on this issue! Smashing writing there! The sanest one on this page, and that’s saying something!

    Comment by Eremon — June 25, 2015 @ 11:37 pm - June 25, 2015

  34. CthulhuDreaming – I don’t think I would support a federal law as that seems unconstitutional. I support the citizens of SC to do it themselves. And if they don’t, private citizens of other states can and should let them know its a evil symbol that is/was used as a symbol of oppression and intimidation. Hopefully the SC folks realize they are clearly inthe wrong.

    Comment by mike — June 25, 2015 @ 11:41 pm - June 25, 2015

  35. Welcome back, Sean L. (from the commenter formerly known as the non-ranting Kevin)

    I like your wording of the battle cries in #28, and your Montague and Capulet reference in #30.

    Comment by TheQuietMan — June 26, 2015 @ 12:06 am - June 26, 2015

  36. mike, dear, the point is that other people from other states telling people to do, or not do, something in that state is, itself, wrong.

    By insisting that each state adopts similar policies, the purpose of having states is eliminated. Seriously, if the flag, or whatever gets your knickers in a twist, is so bad and needs to be removed from everywhere, regardless of the will of the locals, then a federal mandate is the simplest method to fixing the problem.

    The Constitution explicitly states that the purpose of the states is to handle local issues, like this, locally. By suggesting that the good citizens of SC do anything without asking them first, you are supporting an unconstitutional position.

    The flag is, really, unimportant here. What is important is the insistence by the left that everybody adhere to a set of cultural rules which may or may not be good. I find that position to be utterly, totally, completely, and indefensibly vulgar for reasons which would require books to fully explore.

    Comment by CthulhuDreaming — June 26, 2015 @ 1:08 am - June 26, 2015

  37. CthulhuDreaming

    “The point is that other people from other states telling people to do, or not do, something in that state is, itself, wrong.”

    Thats silly. Private and public folks from other regions can express their opinions on other states policies. If the local state wants to try and defend it thats fine. However there is NO logical defense of keeping the flag up. So national pressure hopefully will do the trick.

    “The flag is, really, unimportant here. What is important is the insistence by the left that everybody adhere to a set of cultural rules”

    That is sillier. This flag has been used to oppress and intimidate people of color, jews and other creeds. There is no cultural justification to for ths to be flown at public buildings. This is not about PC or culture thisbis just a clear and simple right wrong. Its not hard.

    Comment by mike — June 26, 2015 @ 7:03 am - June 26, 2015

  38. “That is sillier. This flag has been used to oppress and intimidate people of color, jews and other creeds. There is no cultural justification to for ths to be flown at public buildings. This is not about PC or culture thisbis just a clear and simple right wrong. Its not hard.”

    But enough about the rainbow flag…

    Comment by The_Livewire — June 26, 2015 @ 8:57 am - June 26, 2015

  39. […] In dealing with the left, one must remember that they are a selfish and irrational people. Political Correctness is the outward expression of their piety in their progressive socialist religion. They demonstrate their moral purity to one another through one-upmanship, no demand is so crazy that it cannot be topped be an even crazier demand. It’s a game no one can ever win. Put another way, if you give a monster a cookie, he’s only going to demand more cookies. (Gay Patriot) […]

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  40. This flag has been used to oppress and intimidate people of color, jews and other creeds.

    Guns don’t kill people. People with guns use the guns to kill people.

    The KKK had a mighty fine resurgence after D.W. Griffith’s film, The Birth of a Nation so reenergized the KKK that the KKK spread like wildfire through the midwest causing gangs of whites to roam the streets in Indiana in search of blacks to attack.

    In Ohio, it inspired “night riders” to intimidate German immigrant farmers who were rumored to be sending money to the Kaiser in WWI.

    You might expect these KKK types to be awash in Confederate battle flags, but you would be wrong. They carried the American flag.

    Has the battle flag been used to oppress and intimidate? Probably. But the burning crosses and the outfits were more than enough. And those outfits have a striking similarity to the Catholic Templars of Spain and some freemason regalia. So, lets go after those “symbols” of “oppression” and “intimidation” as well.

    The “symbol of evil” is in the eye of the beholder. But the symbol does not cause the heart to go black. Perhaps littlelettermike could be more inventive and force WHITE supremacists to wear a Confederate battle flag so the public would know who to shame. It could be like a yellow Star of David in Nazi Germany or the “scarlet letter” in Puritan New Englan or the Mark of Cain. After all, if you try to ban free speech all you get is more of the same.

    Democrat President Woodrow Wilson was profoundly Progressive, super well educated and a racist. In Wilson’s 1901 book, A History of the American People, the Progressive tower of intellect writes this:

    “The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation—until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country.”

    See how much Progressives have changed since the time of Woodrow Wilson? That should give a sentient person a clue to the status of Confederate battle flag.

    What gnaws at me most about littlelettermike is that he revels in having some personal moral compass within his frame that can detect evil and right or wrong without so much as traditional source of morality and ethics to inform him. If something irks him, that is enough. It was the same sort of moral compass that was used by Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Che and Fidel, Idi Amin, Stalin, Tojo, Genghis Kahn and every person who dreams of scourging the land of enemies. These are the racial purists and tight laced elites. Intolerance is their religion and oppression and intimidation is their game. If that sounds like there is scant difference between how littlelettermike sees things and how Dylann Strong Roof sees things it is because there is a scant difference. The ends justify the means for each of them.

    When we set out to trample some free speech, all speech is in jeopardy.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 26, 2015 @ 9:43 am - June 26, 2015

  41. As a postscript on Wilson, in Washington, DC, the only thing his name is on other than a think tank, is the formerly most hated bridge in the region. (It was replaced after years of lawsuits, and has double the capacity of the old one, so is no longer hated with as much passion.)

    Wilson did much evil with his bigotry.

    Comment by TheQuietMan — June 26, 2015 @ 9:56 am - June 26, 2015

  42. mike, since you cannot seem to comprehend what I am saying let me put explicitly:

    1. We live in an objective reality.
    2. We are fallible.
    3. Therefore, when discussing matter of right and wrong, it is possible that the actual right and wrong is not even touched upon.
    4. Therefore, disbursing political power, that is–power to do as one chooses, is the best course of action, not because people will do good, but because people who do wrong will be unable to perpetuate their poor behaviors among the populace.
    5. Thus, the concept of the local government as more valuable and with more responsibility came to be.

    My issue, and I suspect just about everybody else who has a problem with this affair, is that non-locals had a disproportionate effect on local political behavior. If the thing was there for however long it was and did not bother anybody, why should we care? If it was a real serious problem, the people there would have dealt with it.

    Or, do you suggest that individuals are incapable of judging what is important?

    Comment by CthulhuDreaming — June 26, 2015 @ 1:04 pm - June 26, 2015

  43. 1 – 5 Sure for the most part.

    Indeed we are fallible, as American History shows local political control often is prone to mistakes. Jim Crow laws to give a quick off the cuff example.
    If it was not for the disapproval of non locals those laws might still well exist.

    Furthermore:

    “If the thing was there for however long it was and did not bother anybody, why should we care”

    What the hey?!?
    I hope you are not claiming that the local African American population was “not bothered” with the confederate flag are you? Because they recognize it as a symbol of oppression and intimidation.

    Comment by mike — June 26, 2015 @ 7:12 pm - June 26, 2015

  44. littlelettermike, on what authority do you speak for how all African-Americans feel about the Confederate battle flag?

    Your facile use of projection is numbing. It is possible, like Clarence Thomas who was born in Pin Point, Georgia into a family that spoke Gullah as its primary language to rise to a high level without being bitter about black history. Liberals loathe him for that. He is not authentically black as evidenced by his having “crossed the line” and being married to a WHITE woman.

    Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Jason Riley of the WSJ, Charles Payne of Fox Business and many other highly successful blacks seem to enjoy success and life just fine without being held hostage by the inequities of the past.

    Black police stand watch when the KKK clowns pull off a march with a valid parade permit. How do they do that? Easy, if you have an inner sense of being above the level of the asses strutting their stuff.

    Why do you have to project so much incompetence on the targets of rage and outrage? You helicopter parenting nanny state useful idiots don’t actually respect the strength of human resilience amongst your wards.

    Why don’t you try some community outreach service and discover just how strong some of your pitied masses really are? You will also meet real amoral loonies who will boggle your mind and challenge your faith in nanny state money cures.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 26, 2015 @ 8:00 pm - June 26, 2015

  45. Because, heliotrope, littlelettermike is a typical white liberal racist.

    Just as before, these white liberal racists paint black and minority people as helpless inferiors, “savages” if you will, that need the benevolent white plantation owners to take and civilize them. And of course, the minorities should be grateful to Massa for doing so and do Massa’s bidding.

    This is why I cite Clarence Thomas so much when speaking to mike, because frankly people like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice, Allen West, and JC Watts drive littlelettermike insane with rage. He views them as fugitive slaves, and as such, wants them whipped. He is Simon Legree demanding that the NAACP Timbos and Sambos beat and kill any minority member who dares defy their white liberal betters.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 26, 2015 @ 11:13 pm - June 26, 2015

  46. Ben Carson

    Carson said Tuesday on CNN’s “New Day” that when he moved to a new home in rural Maryland one of his neighbors put up a Confederate flag — “I guess as a message to us,” he said.

    The other neighbors responded by flying American flags, which Carson said “shamed” the neighbor into taking down the Confederate one, Carson said.
    ….

    Carson stressed the importance of calling things out at face value — whether that is radical Islam or what the Confederate flag represents.

    “I think that what we as Americans once again have to keep in mind is that this is a pluralistic society and we have to live together, and that means we have to identify things that are wrong,” Carson said. “We have to call them what they are. Because you’ll never be able to deal with them unless you call them what they are.”

    Comment by mike — June 27, 2015 @ 7:53 am - June 27, 2015

  47. littlelettermike,

    Do you have any inkling of how you have hoisted yourself on your on petard with the Ben Carson morality take you posted @ #46?

    Missing from your tale is how Dr. Carson did not go all up in arms over a rag on a pole. His thoughtful neighbors did a little simple garden variety shaming and the rag came down. Pluralistic does not mean harmony by censorship.

    Revisit your rants about the symbol of “evil” and take a deep breath. Demonizing and demagoguery are the tools for getting the drooling crowd to show up with pitchforks and torches. It is mother’s milk to Klansmen. Just because you favor attacking the symbols you despise doesn’t make you any different from any other censors of free speech.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 27, 2015 @ 10:05 am - June 27, 2015

  48. “His thoughtful neighbors did a little simple garden variety shaming and the rag came down. ”

    Damn straight. The same way everyone should shame thier neighbors and countryman who fly that abhorrent symbol.

    Glad we agree.

    Comment by mike — June 27, 2015 @ 10:19 am - June 27, 2015

  49. Well, well, well, litterlettermike has folded. Glad to see a brown shirt in the making back off, even if just a little.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 27, 2015 @ 4:20 pm - June 27, 2015

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