So, just so we’re clear:
Christians declining to cater gay weddings — intolerable bigotry.
Mohammedans refusing to deliver beer — State-Protected Religious Freedom.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission won $240,000 in damages for two Muslim truck drivers after it sued their former employer for religious discrimination for firing the drivers for refusing to make beer deliveries.
The EEOC said that Star Transport Inc., a trucking company based in Morton, Ill., violated their religious rights by refusing to accommodate their objections to delivering alcoholic beverages.
“EEOC is proud to support the rights of workers to equal treatment in the workplace without having to sacrifice their religious beliefs or practices,” EEOC General Counsel David Lopez announced Thursday.
One can already hear the whining progressive rationalization, “Oh, but the trucking company could have reassigned them.” Yeah, and the gay couples could have found another caterer, too.
Someone, somewhere, needs to sue for the Christians citing this exact case.
Oregon moves to seize property from the Kleins who refused to participate at a lesbian wedding venue.
““The goal is to rehabilitate,” Bureau Commissioner Brad Avakian said at the time. “For those who do violate the law, we want them to learn from that experience and have a good, successful business in Oregon.”
Got that comrades? You will be rehabilitated out of your bad beliefs. Unless you are muslims, who would not have a problem removing the commissars or gay heads. The state and the gay mafia knows best.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/oregon-moves-to-seize-property-from-kleins-who-refused-lesbians-wedding-cak
They don’t want to live and let live. They want absolute acceptance and celebration.
Welp. It’s there in black and white finally. Gays see it as us vs. them. Anybody who thinks otherwise is deluded or lying.
@3, It’s always been that way for as long as I can remember. They were forced out into the open after Oncale vs Sundowner Offshore Oil Services in March 1997.
Mr. Lopez needs to be returned to Law School for some remedial tutoring in Constitutional Law…oh that’s right, he works for [our] Guv’mint. Never mind. . .
Nothing to see here. Move along, move along…”
Why shouldn’t gay people retaliate by suing homophobes bakers out of business?
Seriously, Livewire is going to appear and call me pedophile at some point in the comment section (albeit cowardly). Why would it be wrong for me to sue a Christian Conservative out of business? Why would it be wrong if somehow Livewire, or VTK, or NDT or Blatt business/livelihood could be negatively affected in response to their homophobia?
You lot have made it clear it’s you lot vs. the gay community, why shouldn’t we respond in kind?
Because, bigot James Edward, LGBT bigots like you and the Democrats you support are leeches and harmful to the people and the state, which means society should be allowed to punish you in any way it wants.
Why are LGBT bigots like you tax cheats, James Edward?
You see, James Edward, you are now exposed.
You opened your trap, and I humiliated you by pointing out that you and your fellow LGBT bigots, since you cheat on your taxes, are by your own admission leeches who hurt people and society, and thus you can be punished by society.
You could be a man and admit your hypocrisy. You could even grow as a person and admit that LGBT bigots like you and your Democrat Party are harmful to society and people.
Or you can run away and prove you’re a coward.
Like you did before.
@NDT
All you’ve done is made it clear you hate me, which I already knew. Suing homophobic bakers is in response to the hatred you have for gays. Why shouldn’t that happen?
“Why shouldn’t gay people retaliate by suing homophobes bakers out of business?”
Because people have better things to do.
James Edwards, it is not homophobia to not want to participate in a gay wedding. Would you consider not wanting to participate in a Bar Mitzvah Anti Semitism? Enough with the Cultural Marxism crap you keep spewing. Class, race, and gender warfare will only succeed in putting totalitarians into power.
See, James Edward doesn’t like admitting two things. One that, by his own standards, he has admitted he’s a padophile. I just take him at his word.
Two, he has never said, despite being asked on sveral occasions to clarify, that buggering children is wrong.
Oh, and the self admitted paedophile calls me a coward? It isn’t my fault I’m outside his dating range.
I am sick and tired of TYRANNY BY THE MINORITY. It is not only this defense Muslims while Christians rights are suppressed by a PC govenment, but something more insidious and dangerous, The Freedom From Religion Foundation. It seems that Steven Weinberg is one of their legal voices who has an erection for anything spiritual.
If I were living in the U.S. now, I would organize demonstrations in all major cities with the Knights of Columbus and any other Catholic organization or sodality, along with evangelicals, and the students and faculties from the ten conservative colleges that are members of the Leadership Institute. I would call it Defense of The First Amendment Day, or End PC. It seems that those atheists can’t read the First Amendment completely, while it protect their right to announce their atheisdm it also protects our right to practice our faith and to do so in the public square. It’s time to return to majority rules.
And in my enthusiasm for the idea I forgot to include freedom and faith loving Jews in my parades.
Why is that wrong? Why should I care? You’re okay with your friends calling me a pedophile, you’re okay with violence against gays, why is it wrong if Christan Conservative business/livelihood are damaged?
So, James Edward is pro-Islam because he hates people who are violent toward gays.
0_o
I’d ask the self admitted paedophile for cites to back his statements, but that would require debating skills. Those skills are taught to those outside his dating range.
I like JE because of the frankness of his crazy admissions. Take this one:
When it suits him, JE lectures people on what America is supposed to be about. Which is super funny because he so often gets it wrong. As here: he shows ignorance of one thing that America is absolutely supposed to be about, namely the separation of Church and State, including not “establishing” one religion or favoring it over others.
In past comments, I’ve predicted that gay lefties would be the first to welcome Sharia law when it is eventually proclaimed in Washington, DC – even though Islam (or Sharia law) executes gays. JE is on the way to proving me right.
Practitioners of Islam make up less than 1% in the United States, Sharia Law is not going to happen in the United States. On the other hand, Christain Conservatives have repeatedly opposed the separation of Church and State.
Moreover, Christian Conservatives seem to have no problem call gay people pedophiles as evident at this blog. Similarly, Christian Conservatives condone violence against gays. If supporting Islam *in America* is what is necessary to check the power of Christian Conservatives so be it.
2.8 million people in the United States are not enough to project power beyond small enclaves. However, Christian Conservatives have the numbers, political power and will [again as evident by calling gay people pedophiles, and supporting the stoning of gay people] to significantly harm gays in America. Punishing Christian Conservatives by damaging their business/livelihood while providing minor political concessions to Muslims *in America* significantly reduces the probability that those who call gay people pedophiles will be able to kill gays.
I beg to differ. With friends like you, it could eventually. Not next week, of course. These things take time. One thing we can tell from your comments on this blog: you probably won’t ever lift a finger to stop it.
I call bullsh*t. You know perfectly well that’s a game you having going with The_Livewire, end of story.
Again, I call bullsh*t. V has posted many times, about how the contrary is the truth. Look in our archives.
And none of your comments address my point, thus, once again you have only waved your hands. Here’s a reminder for you.
Said about a religion whose followers do, on the streets of Europe (as well as Middle Eastern countries) and as a matter of religious law, actually execute gays.
I’m amused that James Edwards insists that it’s wrong to call gays and lesbians who have sex with underage children pedophiles.
Furthermore, since James Edward establishes and states that one example from a member of a group indicates that all its members believe and practice the same thing, this conclusively establishes by his own rules and statements that gays and lesbians like himself are pedophiles.
Perhaps James Edward could condemn this behavior and thus, by his own rules, prove that he is not a pedophile and that he in fact opposes pedophilia.
Or he could remain silent and thus, by his own rules, acknowledge that he supports and endorses pedophilia.
The latter is more likely. James Edward shows clearly emotional and intellectual immaturity in his inability to acknowledge behaviors and facts outside his stereotypes. As a result, given his almost pathological dependence on his sexual orientation as his sole source of self-worth, he is not capable of criticizing the behavior of other gays and lesbians; to do so would shatter his own reality and belief in his own superiority based on his sexual orientation.
Maybe James “Troll” Edwards likes Islam because sex with young children is an accepted part of that religion.
Your paranoia aside it is impossible for 2.8 million out of 319 million people to cause the cultural shift necessary for Sharia Law to take root. It is not going to happen.
More to your point a population which condones gay people being called pedophiles, such as is allowed by this blog owners but more generally Christian Conservatives, is a population that is that is hostile to gays. Affording political power to a group which are also an enemy of Christian Conservatives, in this case Muslims, necessarily decreases the relative power Christian Conservatives have with respect to the LGBT community. Couple this with lawsuits which damage business and/or livelihood of Christian Conservatives then one arrives at a situation in which members of the LGBT community are safer.
Look I’m fully aware this is not going to happen because of the levels of mistrust on both sides, however if Christian Conservatives stopped calling gay people pedophiles if Christian Conservatives stopped advocating for the murder of gay people, and if Christian Conservatives acknowledged and apologized for the pain and suffering they inflicted on members of the LGBT community then things would be different and it would not be necessary to check the political power of Christian Conservatives in the aforementioned ways.
I know this is a pipe dream, I know The_Livewire and NDT will call me a pedophile in their follow-up comments, and ILC and VtK will condone it. Beyond this blog, Christian Conservatives will also continue to condone such comments. I also know that neither of you two (ILC VtK) let alone Christian Conservatives will condemn the statements calling for the murder of gays, nor will there ever be an apology. Which is why these actions are necessary, and why I am okay with a legal double standard. It is the lesser of two evils.
The ramifications of this legal double standard and the suing Christian Conservatives are costly not only to LGBT community but America as a whole. But they are less costly than allowing a population who calls gay people pedophiles and condones the murder of LGBT community members to be unchecked.
aw look, James Edwards again admits he believes all Christians are alike.
Thus again, by his own standards, he admits he’s a paedophile. And he continues to complain I call him one, despite him admitting it, again, in this very thread.
And he still won’t call buggering children wrong.
Of course the amusing thing about him citing a small percentage of people… what is the percentage of gays again? And people being punished for their believes because of that number?
James Edwards needs to stop stalking the playgrounds and maybe go to an (adult) school.
And the warped logic!
Group C – anti-gay factor 2 (on a scale of 1 to 10).
Group M – anti-gay factor 10.
Therefore, to protect gays, try to elevate group M (over C). Because anti-gay factor 2 is intolerable.
What statements? I readily condemn any statements from any significant figure (such as a church or mosque leader) that ACTUALLY call for the murder of gays. There, I just now did it (the preceding sentence being a blanket condemnation).
We know that contemporary Islamic mosque leaders make such statements. Prove, right now, that contemporary Christian church leaders make them. (Hint: You can’t, because they don’t. Making you, JE, a bullsh*tter if not a crazy person.)
As for this:
Let’s have a little refresher on what “condone” means, shall we?
So, before you can condone a behavior, it must be morally wrong and offensive. And if NDT or TL were to assert that you were a pedophile in fact, without their having evidence, that would be morally wrong and offensive and no I certainly wouldn’t condone it. This sentence is my blanket condemnation of it (if it were to happen).
But they don’t assert that, and you know it. You know perfectly well that it’s a rhetorical game which they mean to highlight your own truly bizarre assertions about people and bizarre standards of (non-)proof for your assertions. Example, #26 above. “aw look, James Edwards again admits he believes all Christians are alike. Thus again, ******by his own standards, he admits****** he’s a paedophile.” (emphasis added)
You also know that you and I have had this discussion, before. Therefore, when you claim that I condone something (that I actually don’t condone), you slander me. And not as a game, but as an intentional (but wrong/false) assertion of fact. That is morally wrong and offensive.
I have no problem saying that gays shouldn’t be murdered and that I condemn anyone who actually calls for them to be murdered.
I have no problem saying that gay people – and straight people, for that matter, and bisexual or transgender or questioning people – shouldn’t be named as pedophiles (i.e. seriously), until and unless it is a fact of that person’s direct behavior. And I condemn anyone who lies about anybody.
You know perfectly well that it’s a rhetorical game which they mean to highlight your own truly bizarre assertions about people and bizarre standards of (non-)proof for your assertions.
The thing is, I am not sure that he does. It does require a certain amount of intelligence to understand this reality.
Since we’re now making each other issue condemnations that should normally be obvious (or taken for granted)….
James Edward, do you condemn pedophilia as a behavior?
Do you condemn pedophiles as moral offenders and criminals?
And do you condemn slander?
I just condemned some things, when you asked (but not that it was much of a problem to). Now reciprocate.
And don’t stall or hand-wave. Just show that you have some courtesy in you, by reciprocating swiftly.
Maybe Jeff and I should author a post of “Things we condemn” just to shut down this silly argument.
Sure!
This and the other jabs that Livewire makes implies that I am a pedophile. Your self-aggrandizing speech failed to condemn that. Moreover, your demand that I condemn child molestation implies that there is a highly correlated relationship between pedophilia and homosexuality. Therefore, not only have you failed to condone this linkage but you are participating in this terrible anti-gay attack. Moreover, I will not acquiesce to your demands as 1) I am not a pedophile 2) there is no linkage between gays and pedophilia 3) it would legitimize 1) and 2).
Second, of course, Muslims support the suppression and violence against gays All of the Abrahamic religions do. However, in the United States, Muslims are 0.9% of the population, while Christian Conservatives are around 40% of the population (perhaps more I am being charitable and claiming moderate and liberal Christians are around 30% of the population). As a result, Christian Conservative are a greater threat to the LGBT community.
To stress, Muslims are a threat to the LGBT community. Similarly, the USSR was a threat to the UK and US. However, since between 1939 and 1945 Nazi Germany was a greater threat and after 1941 the USSR was the enemy of Nazi Germany it was logical for the US and the UK to temporarily ally with the USSR to stop Nazi Germany. Since Christian Conservatives are a greater threat to members of the LGBT community in 2015 and since Christian Conservatives see Muslims as an enemy in 2015 it is logical to ally with Muslim to check the political power of Christian Conservatives.
Related, you claim 1) Christian Conservative church leaders/politicians do not advocate for the murder of gays 2) that you would condemn such statements. I have repeatably posted links in which Tea Party candidates, as well pastors have advocated for the stoning of gay people. The Tea Party candidate in Oklahoma and the pastor in Arizona are only the most recent examples. The refusal of the Christian Conservative community or indeed the Christian community at whole to condemn these by political and religious leaders only serves to lend support to the observation that Christian Conservatives are a grave threat to the LGBT community.
Not at all. Only in your own warped imagination, JE. Hmm….Why *would* you continually talk about there being some sort of connection between pedophilia and homosexuality? I know that I sure don’t.
Not good enough. (Even if it were somehow true, still not what we’re talking about.)
So, “pastors” meaning leaders of significant churches? Churches that aren’t themselves widely rejected by the vast majority of the world’s Christians? Prove it. Post them here. Note, Fred Phelps won’t count since he is condemned by the vast majority of Christians (not to mention his being a Democrat).
But I acquiesced to yours.
So, let’s see.
1) You have no courtesy. (won’t reciprocate others who bowed to your demands)
2) You won’t condemn pedophilia, as the harmful and sick monstrosity that it is.
3) You won’t condemn slander (other than when you imagine that it is being done to you).
4) You won’t – or more likely, can’t – come up with accepted statements from Christian church leaders that support or promote violence against gays, remotely comparable to the many accepted statements from respected Muslim mosque leaders that promote violence against gays. Yet, bizarrely, you still maintain the utter fiction that the various Christian denominations are threats to gays’ physical safety.
Noted.
Clearly the self admitted paedophile doesn’t like it when he is held to his standards.
To wit, if he believes that that statements of a fringe pastor represent all conservatives, then he must also believe that all gays are represented by NAMBLA. Thus, by his own standards, he’s a paedophile.
I’m simply taking him at his word. How intollerant is that?
Well, of course that’s it. The world is so big that there will probably be ONE crazy person out there who (1) claims to be a Christian, (2) wants to harm gays. But – he will be “fringe”, meaning, “overwhelmingly rejected by any Christians who know about him”.
With Muslims, killing gays ain’t fringe. It really happens…as Europe’s experience shows us.
I have posted these links before on this site as I said above however I will post them again
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/11/oklahoma_tea_party_candidate_scott_esk_supports_stoning_gay_people_to_death.html
Moreover, as I stressed above of course Muslims support violence against gays, *however* as Muslims are 0.9% of the population while Christian Conservatives are around 40% Christian Conservatives are a far, far greater threat to the LGBT community *in the US.*
Second, unless you were implying that there is a linkage between gays and pedophilia why would you insist that I condemn pedophilia? Moreover, The_Livewire and NDT have insisted that there is a relationship as well as Christian Conservative leaders such as the FRC and more recently Dan McLaughlin also made the linkage.
Members of the LGBT community simply want the oppression to stop. Contrary to claims by the FRC, The_Livewire and et al. There is *NO* linkage between pedophilia and homosexuality. Gay people should not be accused of such deplorable and evil acts and people. Gay people should not have to live in fear that they will be stoned to death or otherwise harmed or killed. Since Christian Conservatives will not take the steps necessary to end these acts, it is logically for members to check the political power of Christian Conservatives any way possible *including* temporarily allying with another group much much smaller group who also hates gays but is the sworn enemy of Christian Conservatives.
Funny when have I ever claimed a link? You’re the one who’s claimed it over and over James Edward.
As to the links… funny how Scott Esk didn’t win. That tells us how his view was refuted. But hey, James Edwards doesn’t like facts, and the defeat of someone with repugnant opinions is pretty clear how his ‘threats’ are laughable.
So, “pastors” meaning leaders of significant churches?
He means one pastor in Arizona with a congregation of about 4 people. He completely ignores the fact that every mainstream American Christian Denomination denounces violence against gays. As I have documented a long time ago.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2014/10/11/lets-clear-this-up/
Not even the Westboro Baptists endorse committing violence against gays; but JE is wedded to his fantasy world of hate and paranoia and will not give it up regardless of fact. Fanatics are like that.
As I expected: one “pastor”, whom Christians, in fact, condemn directly. JE, your own link makes it clear.
Are there openly gay imams? No.
Does every mainstream denomination of Islam condemn violence against gays – as every mainstream Christian denomination condemns it? No.
JE fail.
Because it should be easy for you. “Should.” I was tossing you a softball, or thought I was.
True, and…
False. Indeed, Christian conservatives make up many of the U.S. troops who have actually (and willingly) protected gay and other Americans from being “stoned to death or otherwise harmed or killed”, all this time.
Hey, James Edwards. You paint with a broad brush about Conservative Christians on the basis of what one whack job says about gays. The following link shows what Muslims do to gays. *WARNING, GRAPHIC CONTENT* http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/graphic-islamic-state-stones-gay-men-to-death.html/ So, unless you can come up with pictures of American Conservative Christians actually stoning gays to death, put a sock in it.
I just re-read NDT #23….prophetic! uncanny!