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*We* Don’t Make Heroes Out of Violent Psychopaths

A violent psychopath went on a shooting spree near a Planned Parenthood butcher shop over Thanksgiving weekend.

He will not become a martyr and symbol of any movement, like violent thug Michael Brown.

No one on the right will wear a T-shirt or wave a banner emblazoned with his image, like mass-murdering communist icon Che Guevara.

He will not be given a teaching position at the University of Illinois and become a celebrated community organizer like unrepentant left-wing terrorist Bill Ayers.

He will not be given a job as a correspondent for taxpayer-funded NPR, become a cause celebre among the Hollywood left, and given honorary degrees like left-wing cop-killer Mumia Abu Jamal.

The Right does not make violent sociopaths into heroes.

The Left does.

You will also not see anyone on the left go out of their way to claim that he does not represent the peaceful majority of people who oppose abortion-for-convenience.



  1. There’s more to it than that.

    The clinic itself reports that not a single doctor, staff, or patient was killed or injured during the siege. So, apparently, all deaths and injuries occurred OUTSIDE the clinic. This then makes you wonder if he actually targeted the clinic at all.

    The ONLY thing that they have to indicate that he might have is the unsubstantiated claim that he said “no more baby parts”.

    Even if he did, in what context? Remember, he is apparently a deranged psycho. Maybe he said, “I have to come here, because the store next to it had no more baby parts.” Or maybe they misunderstood and he said, “No! More baby parts!”

    And despite all of the clues, they still claim that this shooter was a “Pro-life [no real substance to the charge] Right-wing [no real substance to the charge] White [Okay, they got that part right] Male [Wait, doesn’t he identify as a woman?] Republican [When his voter registration says no?] Terrorist [Only if he had a motive, which we don’t know if he did yet]”.

    Even the CEO claims that it was an assault on women’s health. If so, the guy is a horrible shot.

    Comment by Craig Smith — November 29, 2015 @ 4:45 pm - November 29, 2015

  2. Regardless, Craig, I think it’s safe to say that if this particular psychopath had targeted a Tea Party meeting, a Donald Trump rally, a meeting of oil company executives, or a donut shop full of cops, the Left would be treating him in a decidedly different way.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2015 @ 5:16 pm - November 29, 2015

  3. @VtK, most definitely. BTW, thanks for replying. Makes me feel good to talk to one of similar mind.

    Comment by Craig Smith — November 29, 2015 @ 5:20 pm - November 29, 2015

  4. Nadal Hassan was workplace violence, not domestic terrorism, even though he verbalized sympathy for Islamic terrorists and loudly shouted “Allahu akbar!” as he was shooting his colleagues.

    But this guy was domestic terrorism, and not a random wacko, two days after the incident, despite us still not having a clear motive.

    These pigs’ M.O. is painfully obvious. A shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic that may not have anything to do with with abortion is immediately used against anti-abortion advocates, but Islamist animals are made excuses for and defended. They make me sick. We can only hope that they will be remembered as the traitors to their civilization that they are.

    Comment by Sean L — November 29, 2015 @ 5:30 pm - November 29, 2015

  5. Windows did something that it never did for me before, nor did I ever set it to do: it immediately informed me that a shooting had just occurred at Planned Parenthood. It never did this when Paris was attacked.

    Comment by Acacia — November 29, 2015 @ 7:19 pm - November 29, 2015

  6. So absolutely true about liberals and how they present their version of the facts. If this had been a shooter against any institution or idea favored by the right, he most certainly would have been a victim over perpetrator. Now we have to suffer through weeks of bullshit mainstream media analysis about the origins of this “Terrorist” mindset.
    By the way, awesome website and analysis. Glad I discovered!!

    Comment by Peter — November 29, 2015 @ 7:25 pm - November 29, 2015

  7. I find it interesting that the BLM crowd held a march that cheered for the killing of police officers but BLM has no role in the deaths of various officers but somehow films about planned parenthood hat exposed their unethical and illegal actions that didn’t call for anyone to die is now to blame for a crazy man shooting people in front of a planned parenthood clinic.

    Comment by Just Me — November 29, 2015 @ 8:31 pm - November 29, 2015

  8. What are you smoking? It was a liberal who did this. Liberals are always to blame. They turn every single mass murderer with any kind of liberal sympathies into a hero. Happens all the time. The left is to blame. Conservatives haven’t targeted Planned Parenthood’s/abortion-related facilities since the 1990s.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — November 29, 2015 @ 8:45 pm - November 29, 2015

  9. This is Obama’s fault. He has been complacent and he REFUSES TO CALL THIS WHAT IT IS, “Christian Terrorism.”


    What Christian churches should we outlaw?

    Do you suppose the government should do as conservatives want and start profiling Christians, restricting their travel and ban immigrants from Christian countries?

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2015 @ 9:38 pm - November 29, 2015

  10. Another batshitcrazy 2-3%er run amok, no more, no less………

    Comment by rjligier — November 29, 2015 @ 9:42 pm - November 29, 2015

  11. Funny you should say that, mike. What’s your stance on the refusal of the leftist, western world to grant asylum to the Christians displaced by ISIS? I’ll wait for an answer.

    Also, I notice that you refuse to address the fact that the evidence of this current case does not point towards some crazed conservative shooting up a Planned Parenthood, but rather than give evidence that you’re correct, you’ve instead deflected onto a different topic.

    You scumbag.

    Comment by Kilroy — November 29, 2015 @ 10:06 pm - November 29, 2015

  12. Little letter mike is angry and sad because he has no value unless Christians validaye his existence. Perhaps he is sad because his mommy didn’t believe in abortion. She must be a very very bad person to have raised such a bitter man who hates Christians. If he is interested, I will offer to buy him a plane ticket to go over and settle in Syria.

    Comment by tnnsne1 — November 29, 2015 @ 10:28 pm - November 29, 2015

  13. Well, of course the LeftProgs are reacting just as the Koranimals do when there is a suggestion that someone insulted their, cough, ‘Prophet’ [spit]. Planned Parenthood is HOLY GROUND to our psychopath Left. Not even gun battles between the police and deranged nut cases are permitted in the premises of PP, the ALL HOLY.

    Comment by David — November 29, 2015 @ 10:39 pm - November 29, 2015

  14. And now the police are NOT releasing the details.

    Let me guess why:

    My guess is that he is a deranged man, totally off his rocker, but DID target some people he saw going into the PP clinic. Whether that was his initial motive or not, we don’t know.

    The point being that he was a crazy man.

    But the evidence will be used by the left to indict anyone who opposes PP.

    Comment by Craig Smith — November 29, 2015 @ 11:42 pm - November 29, 2015

  15. The attitude displayed by the likes of mike further supports an idea that I thought was crazy, but now I am not so sure about: militant (or rather, evangelical atheists, you’ll see why I said that in a second) atheists focus so much of their hatred on Christianity and not on Islam because, ideologically, they are a Christian-based splinter group.

    Basic concepts that militant atheists (who are as a rule progressives) extoll can be traced back to early Christian thought: the concept of equality between all people regardless of creed, economic class, ethnicity, or sex originated with St. Paul. The notion that all people are judged by the same standard, and not different ones based on their standing, also originated with Christianity. Just as the Protestants believed that the pomp of Catholic ceremonies and the complexity of the Church hierarchy were unnecessary to “essential” Christianity, and thus focussed their theological arguments and persecution for Catholics, so to do many atheists nowadays, who now argue that those elements of Christianity incompatible with atheistic progressivism (that whole deity thing, the idea that certain actions will be punished in the next life, etc.) are cruel/backwards, and endlessly rail against them, much as Luther did against the “pagan” elements of Catholic worship.

    Comment by Sean L — November 30, 2015 @ 4:52 am - November 30, 2015

  16. The deranged shooter/killer has been judged by the Left and declared to be a “domestic terrorist.” Why is he a “domestic terrorist” and the run-of-the-mill Chicago black menace spraying bullets in the hood is not? Answer: the style over substance paradox.

    Planned Parenthood is a sacred place in leftist culture. It is a sanctuary. It is holy. It is decidedly poor style to attack the Planned Parenthood doxology either figuratively or literally.

    It is fairly clear that the perp, Mr. Dear, Jr. is deranged. Like the liberal who shot Gabby Giffords, he did something that is profoundly disturbing to “normal” people, but his actions did not disturb him. Deep inside his derangement, he had an itch and he scratched it. We don’t “understand” that, but that is because we are profoundly disturbed.

    That is the substance of what occurred. Liberals, however, have felt a greater hurt because one of their sacred cultural institutions has be attacked. It is akin to blaming the spread of AIDS on promiscuity or not finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or permitting the ownership of assault weapons. For liberals, it is all about style and keeping true to their cultural version or truth, justice and the correct American way.

    The paradox is how hide-bound, intransigent and stubborn liberals are when it comes to defending the imposition of their traditions and beliefs. They are downright reactionary conservative about it.

    Liberalism is more and more showing itself to be a form of mental disease. We can be pretty certain that as the “facts” unfold in this Planned Parenthood tragedy that once again it was the guns that found the man and then used him for their ghoulish satisfaction.

    Well, lets beat the liberals to the punch. Lets start a meme:” Lives Aborting Lives Matter.” LALM. Make a sign. March. Don’t let a perfectly good tragedy go to waste.

    Comment by Heliotrope — November 30, 2015 @ 6:11 am - November 30, 2015

  17. I’m pretty sure this dude is going to have a long history of mental illness. I think the cops are mum because of the media circus (they do have to still build and prosecute a case since this dude isn’t dead) but the media will keep pounding the “conservative Christian” mantra and won’t make much effort to correct it once the police release information.

    Comment by Just Me — November 30, 2015 @ 8:16 am - November 30, 2015

  18. Actually, mike, the Oregon community college shooter targeted Christians.

    As did the FRC shooter — who stated proudly that the LGBT community’s hate campaign against Chik-Fil-A and the so-called “Southern Poverty Law Center” inspired him to kill as many Christians as he could.

    Jim Geraghty does an excellent job of pointing out the Obama Party and all Barack Obama supporters are nothing but violent bigots who demand of Christians a standard that they will never respect or keep themselves on multiple occasions.

    Now, piss liar mike, since you are acting out of hypocrisy, you will not answer. In fact, your silence will prove that you don’t care about Christians being shot and that you in fact are in favor of such violence against Christians.

    That makes you a bigot. It also shows that Obama supporters like you, mike, are depraved, murderous hypocrites and liars who would deliberately kill people in the name of their religious beliefs and who believe that holding certain religious beliefs makes your life worthless.

    You are a vindictive liar, mike. No conservative owes you anything other than a bullet to the head. It is only the fact that we are civilized people and not murderous thugs and scum like Barack Obama and your fellow Obama Party members that you don’t have one.

    But if you continue to make clear that you can’t be civilized and want to fight based on the rules of gang warfare…..we will.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 30, 2015 @ 11:15 am - November 30, 2015

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  20. The winner of a Nobel Prize has the record for the most number of assassinations by any POS ever. Drone strikes under Bush were deemed to be assassinations. Therefore, Obama is guilty of over 4,000 known assassinations (men, women, children, Western Citizens, etc).

    mike has no issues with our Christian POS assassinating people. mike only has issues with CONSERVATIVE Christians murdering people. It ain’t the religion mike objects to, it is the ideology.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — November 30, 2015 @ 12:35 pm - November 30, 2015

  21. Bingo, TnnsNe1.

    It’s why mikey can spin for ISIS and insist Muslims aren’t to blame for anything, but all Christians are responsible.

    Mikey supports ISIS because they hate Americans and Christians and they murder both, and mikey in his stupid and idiotic bloodlust thinks the enemy of his enemy is his friend.

    What Christians in this country have to realize is that the Barack Obama Party and all liberals want Christians and conservatives dead. There are no two ways about it. Dan Savage has screamed it publicly. Mike Signorile has stated flatly that gays who do not worship the god Obama need to kill themselves. The Oregon and FRC shooters made it clear that leftists are pushing and promoting rhetoric that involves murdering Christians. And now we see Planned Abortionhood screaming that the First and Second Amendment need to be gutted so that they can continue to kill babies and squash all public criticism. Harpy Hillary Clinton has flatly stated that all political dissenters are her “enemies” and equivalent to terrorists.

    The Obama Party and the left want to murder us. Period.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 30, 2015 @ 2:41 pm - November 30, 2015

  22. @19, at least we know their numbers, they want to be like their predecessors of the 20th century, but the sandnazis are unlikely to be their proxy………No NWO, no secession, either.

    Comment by rjligier — November 30, 2015 @ 5:45 pm - November 30, 2015

  23. So, apparently, all deaths and injuries occurred OUTSIDE the clinic. This then makes you wonder if he actually targeted the clinic at all.

    No, in fact, it doesn’t make ME wonder that.

    You seem to have a problem distinguishing between “rational skepticism that doesn’t leap to conclusions” and “special pleading to fit your worldview.”

    Comment by Throbert McGee — November 30, 2015 @ 5:57 pm - November 30, 2015

  24. atheists focus so much of their hatred on Christianity and not on Islam because, ideologically, they are a Christian-based splinter group.

    Word up, dawg.

    Years ago, when I used to hang out on alt.atheism and Internet Infidels and whatnot, it did not escape my notice that some ex-Christian atheists were rather different from [ex-]Jewish atheists. Part of the reason, I came to suspect, is that Judaism is fundamentally less panicky about agnosticism or theological doubt as long as you believe in the ETHICAL component of “ethical monotheism.”

    As the Talmudic rabbis suggested (paraphrasing, because there are many different wordings):

    “And G-d said, Let my children even forget My name, so long as they at least keep My laws.”

    It’s not that faithful Jews entirely approve of agnosticism/atheism (“forget My name” is a classic example of Rabbinical Hyperbole). It’s just that ATHEISM DOESN’T AUTOMATICALLY MAKE YOU A NON-JEW under halachic law, and this seems to make a big difference in attitudes towards the Deity You Don’t Believe In.

    In contrast, some atheists come from more or less fundamentalist Christian backgrounds — if you’re not a friend of Jesus, you’re a friend of Satan — and they bring their fundie tendencies with them. (This doesn’t explain atheists like Richard Dawkins — as far as I know, he was raised secular — but I think it applies to many of them.)

    Comment by Throbert McGee — November 30, 2015 @ 8:29 pm - November 30, 2015

  25. The deranged shooter/killer has been judged by the Left and declared to be a “domestic terrorist.” Why is he a “domestic terrorist” and the run-of-the-mill Chicago black menace spraying bullets in the hood is not? Answer: the style over substance paradox.

    Refresh my memory, Heliotrope:

    Did you make this argument back when some people on the Right — even here on this very Innerweb BBS, to be exact — insisted that the guy who bought fifteen Chik-Fil-A sammiches and then tried to shoot up the HQ of the Family Research Council (but, fortunately, only inflicted a non-life-threatening wound on a security guard)?

    You can say that both the FRC shooter and the Planned Parenthood shooter were “lone nuts”; or you can say they were both “domestic terrorists.” Just make up your addle-pated septuagenarian mind, please, and I mean that in the nicest way.

    Comment by Throbert McGee — November 30, 2015 @ 8:40 pm - November 30, 2015

  26. Oh, bother, Christopher Robin, I deleted a key part of the first sentence — replaced here in italics:

    insisted that the guy who bought fifteen Chik-Fil-A sammiches and then tried to shoot up the HQ of the Family Research Council (but, fortunately, only inflicted a non-life-threatening wound on a security guard) was in fact a “terrorist” rather than a “lone nut,” because of his clear political motivations?

    Comment by Throbert McGee — November 30, 2015 @ 8:43 pm - November 30, 2015

  27. Well, you could just look, Throbert.

    As far as I can tell, nobody called the guy a terrorist; the overwhelming response was that the left was strangely unwilling to apply their rules of “blood on your hands” that they attempt to do to conservatives, even though the shooter specifically cited them and their rhetoric for why he acted as he did.

    Meanwhile, to your point, the militant atheists and agnostics are less atheist or agnostic than they are anti-Christian bigots. They can’t tell you what they support; all they can tell you is that all Christians are evil and awful and stupid and icky and should be banned and whatnot.

    Of course, what’s really funny is that they would never say the same thing about Islam. This is for two reasons: a) they think Muslims hate Christians and the enemy of their enemy is their friend and b) they are cowards and bullies who only pick on people who won’t punch back, which isn’t the case with Muslims.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 30, 2015 @ 10:23 pm - November 30, 2015

  28. Mr. McGee, I cannot parse your meaning.

    The fact is, I am not certain what defines the conditional use of the term “domestic terrorist.” It is not unlike the idea of “hate crime” in my aged mind.

    When someone takes it in his mind to shoot up the place because of some aspect of the “culture” I would first assume that someone has gone bonkers. That includes Major Nidal Hasan who was, ironically, a psychiatrist.

    I had to refresh my memory on the Family Research Council “act of terrorism” by Floyd Corkins and the details of his “hate” and his actions. Of that case, U.S. Attorney Ronald Machen said: “Today’s 25-year prison sentence demonstrates the steep price to be paid for turning to violence to terrorize your political enemies.”

    Now, to the point. Any person who uses a gun to shoot up group of people who annoy him for any reason whatsoever is succumbing to the forces of evil. He and his imbalanced mind are marked by asociality which means “antagonistic to the social order.” Just what sets the asocial mind off is not the point.

    We can not tip-toe around trying to avoid the trip wires that set off a schizophrenic mind.

    I just read a Daily Mail summary that reports that Dear was/has been/is a zealous, end-of-times, evangelical Christian. That “information” is only valuable to the “cause and effect” crowd who think that there is some certain way to spot the markers and predict the actions of a lunatic before he explodes the peace and tranquility of a movie theater, school, Planned Parenthood “clinic” or other place where people gather.

    The “style over substance” paradox I posited is about how “society” gets its revenge on a mass shooter. Floyd Corkins had 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches in his backpack which he supposedly intended to smash into the faces of his dead victims. Some people would give him an extra five years for each sandwich, because that would …. what? …. teach the lunatic not to smash sandwiches into the mugs of victims he just shot up?

    “Hate crimes” and “domestic terrorism” are euphemisms used by the pissed-off members of society who want an extra pound of flesh anytime their personal ox has been tangentially gored in the commission of an already dreadful crime.

    Why should we make the distinction of calling out one form of atrocity over another just to help soothe the ruffled feathers of some affinity group? Answer: Style over substance. Preening and posturing and pouting and pontificating and petulance must be rewarded.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 1, 2015 @ 8:30 am - December 1, 2015

  29. Treated in a different way? You mean like the black guy that shot 17 people in a New Orleans playground, youngest 10yo, on Nov 28?

    I think it is fishy he went into a PP Clinic but didn’t kill any PP workers. Some tweeted he tried robbing the Chase bank next door first. I remember someone removed the Puerto Rican flag and replaced it with a US flag outside the Toledo House of Horrors.

    Comment by Steve — December 1, 2015 @ 4:21 pm - December 1, 2015

  30. Heliotrope — As I’ve said before and I’m sure I’ll have reason to say again, thank you for your level-headed response to my overly snarky comment. That’s part of your awesomeness.

    Comment by Throbert McGee — December 1, 2015 @ 10:29 pm - December 1, 2015

  31. Mr. McGee, you are entirely welcome. I didn’t detect any snark, so no offense was taken. We are likely both quite tired of the “style over substance” crowd jumping to the pet “cause” explanation anytime a door is cracked open and they can rush to a conclusion.

    Naturally, (according to the style crowd) if we would just rid the citizens of all their guns, violence and mayhem would immediately vanish. And if it does not, then it will be because of the latent impulse memory of ….. guns.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 2, 2015 @ 7:05 am - December 2, 2015

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